Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck - Nov 30 2025

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show — Sunday Hang (Nov 30, 2025)

Episode Overview

This episode of "The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show" blends sharp political and cultural analysis with the hosts’ trademark humor. Clay and Buck riff on a spectrum of topics including 1980s music debates, the controversy around the new White House ballroom, critiques of the Obama Presidential Library’s architecture, and current trends in fashion. Listeners also weigh in with calls about their favorite 80s songs. Despite the show's seriousness on political and social commentary, there's a lively, bantering energy throughout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Greatest Song of the 1980s: A Debate

[03:14 - 07:45]

• Buck champions "Tears for Fears – Everybody Wants to Rule the World" as the top song of the 1980s.
  • "If you asked me to pick one song that is the greatest song of the 80s... I go Tears for Fears Rule the World." (Buck, 03:19)
• Clay admits musical ignorance, recalling childhood spent listening to sports radio rather than music.
  • Fumbles through picks before landing on Michael Jackson’s "Thriller" ("Thriller is the greatest song of the 1980s. Greatest music video, perhaps greatest music video probably ever." Clay, 05:25)
  • Buck prefers "Billie Jean" over "Thriller": "I actually think Billie Jean is a better song than Thriller." (Buck, 05:47)
• The hosts discuss a music-themed family game called Hitster, focused on guessing song release years.
• Both poke fun at each other’s generational gaps and music tastes.

Listener Calls and Feedback: [23:10 - 25:55]

• Listeners call in or leave voicemails challenging the hosts’ choices:
  • "The greatest song is Toto's Africa. Africa by Toto. Every time I hear it... I just smile." (Tampa Todd, 23:32)
  • "Eye of the Tiger" called out as a snub (J.J. from Nashville, 25:07)
  • "Danger Zone" from Top Gun and "Don't Stop Believin'" by Journey also highlighted as iconic 80s hits.

2. White House Ballroom Controversy

[07:45 - 12:34]

• Clay and Buck address media uproar over President Trump’s plan to build a new privately funded ballroom at the White House.
  • White House Press Secretary: "The President is privately funding this ballroom addition... it's not costing the taxpayers anything." (White House Press Secretary, 08:38)
• Buck supports the addition for enhancing the White House’s dignity and usability:
  • "I think that the beautification of public buildings... is something to be happy about." (Buck, 09:29)
• Clay reflects on the underwhelming interiors in the White House and historic renovation context, balancing history with functional upgrades.
• Light-hearted moment: Buck jokes about Clay wearing sandals to the White House ("Clay, I can't believe you're wearing sandals to meet the President." - Buck, 11:01)

3. Obama Presidential Library’s “Ugly” Design

[12:34 - 18:03]

• Both hosts lampoon the modern, austere architecture of Obama’s library.
  • "It looks like where the bad guy from the He-Man cartoon would live... meant to evoke fear and misery." (Buck, 12:48)
  • Clay: "It's so weird. I mean, truly, it looks so weird." (Clay, 12:46)
• The broader critique: A rant against over-engineered modern design in public architecture and technology (e.g., complicated car controls and hotel showers).
  • "We perfected a lot of things, and now people needlessly overcomplicate things that don't need to be complicated." (Clay, 13:40)
• Admiration for classical design principles — "I'm okay with using many of the classical architecture that [the Greeks and Romans] created as a base." (Clay, 14:41)
• Buck’s conclusion: Many public buildings built post-1960s are irredeemably ugly.

4. Rant on Fashion Trends and Broader Aesthetic Decline

[18:03 - 19:30]

• Clay and Buck expand the conversation to lament fashion and cultural trends, from spandex to today’s baggy jeans for young women.
  • "Don't do it, ladies. Baggy jeans. No bueno." (Buck, 18:51)
• Quip: The rise of “ugly” as a trend is seen as an intentional move away from traditional standards of beauty.

5. Shark Attack Near Miami and Clay’s Alcatraz Swim

[26:00 - 27:58]

• Buck recounts swimming in Biscayne Bay close to the site of a recent shark attack, joking about the coincidence given their frequent shark conversations.
  • "I'm starting to worry about your Alcatraz swim a little bit here, buddy, which we've already committed to." (Buck, 26:24)
• Clay shares a story about an encounter with a long-distance swimmer at church offering help for his Alcatraz challenge; admits concerns about shark attacks.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Clay, about his lack of 80s music knowledge:
  "I'm tone deaf and I listened to sports talk radio in the car when I was a kid. My dad would put on sports talk radio. We never listened to music." (06:40)

• Buck on public building aesthetics:
  "There's a reason why Gothic cathedrals, which were built over hundreds of years, are still incredible and beautiful today... I think it was probably like the late 60s into the late 70s, America decided to build the ugliest crap imaginable." (15:24)

• Clay summarizing White House renovations versus history:
  "You preserve [historic buildings] for their history, not because they are necessarily beautiful to this day… [Trump] is innately gifted... at balancing old and new." (11:11)

• On fashion:
  "Don’t do it, ladies. Baggy jeans. No bueno." (Buck, 18:51) "I sign on to this. I didn't know it was a trend." (Clay, 19:08)

• On Obama Library:
  "If someone told me... that this was where they used to take people for interrogations in East Germany, I'd be like, yeah, that makes sense. This building's scary looking as hell." (Buck, 13:05)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 80s Music Debate (Clay & Buck’s picks): 03:14–07:45
• White House Ballroom Controversy: 07:45–12:34
• Obama Library & Ugliness in Modern Architecture: 12:34–18:03
• Aesthetic Decline, Fashion Rants: 18:03–19:30
• Listener Calls: 80s Song Choices: 23:10–25:55
• Shark Attack Story & Alcatraz Swim: 26:00–27:58

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Tone and Style

The episode is full of back-and-forth banter, self-deprecation, listener engagement, and moments of cultural nostalgia. Clay’s confessions about his pop culture blind spots and Buck’s dry wit provide a casual, friendly tone despite the show’s politically-charged content.

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This episode is ideal for listeners who enjoy lively conversation around the intersection of politics, pop culture, and everyday life, seasoned with both sharp critique and humor. Even those unfamiliar with Clay and Buck will find plenty to engage, amuse, and provoke thought — and maybe reconsider the music on their 80s playlist.

Transcript

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[Buck]

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[Buck]

The Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast starts now.

[Clay]

Talked about this before, Clay.

[Buck]

We have our, our fantastic array of rejoin music that corresponds with many great songs over the decades. I think Tears for Fears Rule the World is the single. If you asked me to pick one song that is the greatest song of the 80s. All the 80s. I know this is a big, this is a big thing. I go Tears for fears. I actually go Tears for fears Rule the world. How about you?

[Clay]

I'm not very good at the 1980s. I could give you a lot of 1980s songs, Clay. I need 30s.

[Buck]

What do you mean?

[Clay]

I know, but I was not. See, I'm a little bit tone deaf, so until I could go out to bars and stuff, I didn't really pay a lot of attention to music. I would probably, I'm, I'm gonna, I need to, I need to be able to phone a friend here for my wife who would be an expert in all this. I would probably go. What's the song from Karate Kid?

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Like the.

[Clay]

I, I.

[Buck]

Which one?

[Clay]

I mean, I'm thinking about like the.

[Buck]

The, the Japanese flute music that plays when he's doing the, like the stuff.

[Clay]

On the Cruel Summer. Cruel Summer is a great, great song. I mean, I'm think I, I've just, I've lost all credit. But first of all, guys want me to change my book title. Now I'm being just thrown under the bus here for not having a great 1980s song. I'm scrolling through right now. I like the Cruel Summer song from the Karate Kid. Like it makes me.

[Buck]

I thought you were definitely going to be a hairband guy, like Guns N Roses or something. Nothing.

[Clay]

1980S. What was the Young Guns 2 Jon Bon Jovi song. That was a good one. You know what I'm talking.

[Buck]

Steel horse I ride, I'm wanted dead or alive. Yeah.

[Clay]

That was fun. Jovi.

[Buck]

Look at you.

[Clay]

I don't know. I'm the 80s. I was again. I know you're younger than me, but I was 10 when the 80s ended.

[Buck]

Yeah.

[Clay]

I was not a music guy in my.

[Buck]

Throw this out to you, Clay, you can listen to 80s music even if you were young during the 80s.

[Clay]

Okay, I'll actually. I'll give you the answer. The answer is Thriller. Thriller is the greatest song of the 1980s. Greatest music video, perhaps greatest music video probably ever. But certainly I think if you asked me and I know some of you are going to be like, he's a. Like he was never convicted to my knowledge. And it doesn't. This was like 1980.

[Buck]

I actually think Billie Jean is a better song than three Thriller. That's why I would go Billie Jean.

[Clay]

Over Thriller as well. But I think Thriller is more famous because of the dance. Now you may be right about the video and the way it brought in, but after like three minutes or four minutes of stonewalling and a not a great pick for me for Karate Kid, I would probably say Thriller is to me.

[Buck]

I'm just gonna be honest with you. I didn't know that asking you about 80s music would be like asking me about SEC football. Like I did not see that coming. So this. I learned something new today.

[Clay]

I went through to look because I'm also not good with what years. There's a great game. Have you played this game where you have to. You get more or less on the year that a song came out and you have to. Has anybody else played this game? We played it with my family up in Michigan. One of my cousins brought it. It is somebody text or somebody look it up in the studio. Cause I'm not going to be able to find it. It is one of the most fun family games you ever played. But the whole premise is buck. You have to know the year songs came out. So they will play like a song. You. You have like the song play and then you have to say more or less. And it's based on the prior songs that you have picked. So it's early on. It can be easy because you can be like, okay, that was after 1935 and before, you know, 1995. But as you progress in order to win, they get closer and closer. It's one of the most fun games I've ever played. By the way. Crazy Train, I would say is one that everybody knows from Ozzy. Ozzy Osbourne. I'm running through like the. The best songs. But I'm gonna stick with Thriller, I think as my. As my song. I'm tone deaf and I listened to sports talk radio in the car when I was a kid. My dad would put on sports talk radio. We never listened to music. And so I can tell you Lots of things about 1980s and 90s sports talk radio. Not great on the music until I was out chasing girls. That's when I started paying attention to music.

[Buck]

We all have things to learn, a lot of ways to expand our horizons. Let's talk Caroline Levitt here and the White House ballroom situation. So they're building a ballroom. It is not going to be 100 stories gold with Trump written on it. It is going to be very tasteful, very classy, very nice. But the media's all up in arms about this. Wasn't there a major Obama era White House renovation too? Didn't that cost a whole bunch of money? Am I missing something?

[Clay]

No. It's $300 million. By the way, the game is Hitster and it's amazing if you are a family and you like music. Hitster. It's amazing. Just an awesome game. Sorry, that's what we played.

[Buck]

Okay, good to know. Never heard of it. Learn something new there.

[Clay]

Add it to the roster for the summer vacation buck. You're going to be glad. Winter vacation, Christmas vacation, you're going to be glad that you did it.

[Buck]

Here is Caroline Levitt on the White House ballroom cut 40. Hit it.

[White House Press Secretary]

The president has been incredibly transparent. I would reject any notion otherwise when it comes to this ballroom project. It's something he personally has obviously taken an interest into and has talked with all of you in this room many times about. You have seen the model in the Oval Office last night. He showed that for you. But when this plan was presented and when these renderings, as soon as they were complete, the President directed me to come out here and to share them with all of you. I did an entire opening remarks about what this ballroom project was going to look like. With any construction project, there are changes over time as you assess what the project is going to look like. And we'll continue to keep you apprised of all of those changes. But just trust the process. This is going to be a magnificent addition to the White House for many years to come. And it's not costing the taxpayers anything. The President is privately funding this ballroom addition to the White House grounds.

[Buck]

I think it's a cool idea. I mean, I don't know. I don't see what the, the, all the hubbub is about this Trump, first of all, I think, has done a lot of really nice things. We saw some of it. We're in the Oval with him back in June. He's some of the artwork that's been placed and replaced and everything else going on. And it's really more of a visual impact, but I think that the beautification of public buildings, including additions to the White House, is something to be happy about. I know Trump's doing it, so they have to hate it is how the libs view it. But I'm actually with him on this one. I've seen the drawings. I've seen this stuff. It looks good to me.

[Clay]

I think it's going to be great. And like everything, it's going to be used by everybody for all time to come. So there have been a lot of complaints. You and I are fortunate to have been in the parts of the White House that are very historic. We've been in the Oval Office. We've been to every part of the White House, basically. What did I say to you? I'll just, I'll like. When we were sitting, waiting to go in to see Trump, I said to you, you may or may not remember this. We were sitting there. And I'm like, you would never believe that this is the waiting room for the most powerful building in the United States. It looks like you're wait. And this is not me trying to be insulting to the White House or anything else, but it looks like you're waiting to go meet in an insurance hallway for a, you know.

[Buck]

Yeah, Mutual of Omaha or something. Do you remember. Do you remember what I said to you when we're waiting there? Clay, I can't believe you're wearing sandals.

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[Clay]

I had on shoes. I had on. I did not have my. I had my passport or else they wouldn't have let me in because that infernal real id. But my point on this is there is and should be something very majestic and august about the process of meeting with the leader of the free world. The buildings that surround our president should be spectacular. And there is a balancing between history. Look, if you're fortunate enough to have gotten to go into some old houses built in the 1800s, you preserve them for their history, not because they are incredibly, necessarily beautiful to this day. What they balance and have always balanced. I mean, Harry Truman, like, gutted the whole White House. For those of you out there who are not history people, the whole thing got burned back in the War of 1812.

[Buck]

I was going to say the British. The British, they did their own renovation of our White House in 1812. Those sons of guns.

[Clay]

So you're constantly balancing old and new in an effort to try and create the most functional place to do business and anywhere in the world. And Trump is innately gifted. I think in many ways at balancing old and new so that places have the popular, the particular pomp and circumstance that you would expect to surround an office such as this.

[Buck]

So, so we haven't talked about this yet, but I actually think this is a good place that we could transition into it. What the heck is with the Obama Presidential Library?

[Clay]

It's so weird. I mean, truly, it looks so weird.

[Buck]

It looks like where the bad guy from the he man cartoon would live. It's, it's like it looks like something.

[Clay]

Or maybe Castle Grayskull.

[Buck]

Castle Grayskull or like the Borg from Star Trek. I always get wars confused. Star Trek, you know, it looks like something that's meant to evoke fear and misery. Real, real, real talk, everybody. The Obama Presidential Library, which, if you have not seen the photo, we should put one up at Clay and Buck Dot just so it's easy reference for you if you have not seen the photo of this thing. Clay. If someone told me, especially if they made it like a black and white photo so it seemed like it was older, that this was where they used to take people for interrogations in East Germany, I'd be like, yeah, that makes sense. This building's scary looking as hell.

[Clay]

What are they doing? I don't know.

[Buck]

What are they doing?

[Clay]

I, I, There is sometimes. Remember the picture of Obama that they hung in the national portrait Gallery, where he's surrounded by all this greenery and it looks kind of like he's hiding in a, you know, in a forest, I think. And this is my big theory on life in general. This, I think, goes so many different directions. We perfected a lot of things, and now people needlessly overcomplicate things that don't need to be complicated. I'll give you an example that has nothing to do with the Obama White House. Buck. Sorry. The Obama Presidential Library. We used to be able to turn the heat on and off in any vehicle. Very, very easy. You reached out. I've talked about this. You had a knob. The blue line made it cooler. The red line made it warmer. Everybody understood it. You could do it from the time you were five years old. Half the time I get in a car now, I can't figure out how to turn on the heat or the air. I was in a hotel in New York City this week. Nice hotel.

[Buck]

You got to be an engineer to know the light switches. It's insane.

[Clay]

Light switches and turn the shower on. When did we get to a point where we need to re re engineer things that were working perfect? I think a lot of what happens now is people decide that they're going to change fully functional things. Nobody's ever come out and said, you know what worked better than the wheel? A modified wheel. The wheel. Pretty important invention. And by and large, it's very similar to what we did thousands of years ago. I think that the Obama Presidential Library is evidence of this idea that design has to consistently evolve. And my point on it would be the Greeks and the Romans are pretty good at designing things. I'm okay with using many of the classical architecture that they created as a base.

[Buck]

Aesthetics. Aesthetics. There's a reason why Gothic, great Gothic cathedrals, which were built over hundreds of years, in some cases are still incredible and beautiful today. There are some enduring aesthetics. There are some things that are elevating and spectacular regardless of time. This is why we look back at different periods in history and buildings that are super old. And we even look at the pyramids. Right. Thousands of years old. We look at things, we go, wow, that's something really impressive. And. And I just think that for some reason, I think it was probably like the late 60s into, like, the late 70s, America decided to build the ugliest crap imaginable. You see this in a lot of civic buildings and public schools.

[Clay]

I mean, the FBI, the FBI headquarters in downtown D.C. is a perfect representation of this. It's an.

[Buck]

And we just need to come to grips with the fact that this stuff. Yeah, the J. Edgar Hoover building also looks like it should be the headquarters of the Stasi. This stuff is depressing, and it doesn't have to be that way. It is the opposite of elevating. It brings you down. And I'm just being real here. If the Obama Presidential Library looked really cool, even if it was a modern aesthetic, and this will shock none of you, but I'm not a big modern aesthetic guy. I like the hits. I like the old school, you know. So does Trump, by the way.

[Clay]

Yeah, so does Trump, by the way. I've been to the Bill Clinton Presidential Library in Little Rock. I've been to a bunch. I like. I'm a history guy. Is it nice?

[Buck]

I don't even know what it looks like.

[Clay]

Very nice. Very.

[Buck]

Well, it's free admission for ladies 18 to 30, right?

[Clay]

Yeah. They have a ladies night every day at the Bill Clinton Presidential Library. But the best place to go to.

[Buck]

Be girls in Little Rock, still, you know, when. When the aesthetic is there, I will say it. The Obama Presidential Library is looking like one of the ugliest buildings I've ever seen. Honestly, it is looking like something. And I know that there's some, I'm sure genius architects who have created it.

[Clay]

It's horrible.

[Buck]

So I just. Why? It's not that hard.

[Clay]

You know, you can.

[Buck]

I'll tell you this. There was a. There was a. A modern or modern architecture. Blah, blah. Intro like one on one class they taught at Amherst. Clay and they showed we had built. The library at Amherst College. Is one of these just 1975 monstrosities. It's so ugly in this otherwise very pretty campus. They demolished a gray granite like Gothic, gorgeous building to make this thing. And he's like, that's why you need to learn about architecture.

[Clay]

That's a great analogy. I'll also point this out. It ain't just buildings. They tried to tell us fat people in spandex was something to be aspirational. Moving towards too. I think it's actually intentional to try to destroy beauty in general and things that we all agree to be beautiful. To try to. I want to.

[Buck]

I want to continue this because you're actually leading into one of my feistier tweets from earlier today that I actually want to make a thing of for people out there. For the ladies. All these song takes. Perfect stuff for a Friday afternoon. So we'll get to you because everyone's lighting me up. Cheers for fish. I thought you like rock and roll. We'll get to your takes. Everybody on the music. But the thing I want to say. And Clay is just learning about this now that fashionable young women in American cities are being told to wear the baggiest, ugliest jeans you've ever seen in your life. Don't let them do it, ladies. Tell your daughters. Tell your granddaughters. They're going to look back at the photos they take now and say, how was I such a victim to this ugly fashion? You look terrible in it. You might as well wear a burqa. Don't do it, ladies. Baggy jeans. No bueno.

[Clay]

I sign on to this. I didn't know it was a trend. It's not going to surprise any of you that I'm not very aware of trends. But I just sent the crew my high school photos because Buck was talking about bad high school choices. And so we can have some fun with this tomorrow on Friday. The. The senior class photo of me is not an ideal hairstyle.

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[Clay]

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[Clay]

Sundays with Clay and Buck.

[Buck]

Clay, there are some unhappy people when it comes to your music takes.

[Clay]

I know this is. This is 100% justified. I don't know anything about music. And all of you who are about to tee off on me that Buck is going to play, I deserve it all. I'm just going to take my beating.

[Buck]

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[Clay]

He.

[Buck]

He called us. Let's hear it. Hey, Clay, let's take the sports. Let Buck talk about the music of the 80s. Listen, it's real simple. There's a lot of great music in the 80s. The 80s might be the greatest music decade next to the 70s of all time. But the greatest song is Toto's Africa. Africa by Toto. Every time I hear it on the radio station, I just smile. It's a great song. Solid. I'd put it in top 10. Clay is going to just. I think he'll defer because I'm not even sure he knows Toto from Africa. It's not going to take a lot to drag Clay away from Toto. We have a. A little heat for me. Chris from Tampa, another Tampa listener. What's going on? Let's play it. All right, Mr. Sexton. The traveling for the week's over with. Got a beautiful Florida weather weekend coming up. No excuses, no sausage handling until the task is done. We don't want to damage a rotator cup. Let's get that racket out. Let's get that 100. Let's get a YouTube video ripping the shirt off with the speed camera saying 100.

[Clay]

I mean, Chris, a great call.

[Buck]

Chris, you got me, buddy. You got me cornered. I'm going to play some tennis on Sunday. I'm going to take out the, the new and improved Speed Gun and we're going to see what we can do. All right? I'm going to try to make this happen. We're going to 100, boys. One way or another, we're getting to 100.

[Clay]

Let's get to a bunch of these really fast. This is J.J. james in Nashville, 15, 1098 3, my hometown. What's he say?

[Buck]

How could you not pick Eye of the Tiger for one of the greatest songs of the 80s?

[Clay]

It's a great one.

[Buck]

Also a top 10 for me. Also a top 10. Let's see. Michael from Florida, LL.

[Clay]

Clay and Buck. I have. You're both wrong. It's Danger Zone from the Top Gun.

[Buck]

Soundtrack is the best song from the 80s. It's a good one.

[Clay]

It's a good one. It's a very good one. It's hard not to be nodding along. QQ Bob in Chicago. This may be the one I should have picked. Play it.

[Buck]

Qq. Qq. Oh, well, he says Journey by. Oh, don't stop believing rather by Journey. That's very. That's a top three for me. That, that was right up alongside my.

[Clay]

Number one Sunday drop with Clay and Buck.

[Buck]

I went for a rare dip in the Atlantic Ocean, technically Biscayne Bay over the weekend. And right around the same time there was in fact a shark attack. Clay.

[Clay]

Yes. 46 year old guy got attacked. You sent me the link and I was looking at it and I mean, can you imagine if you had gotten attacked by a shark after all our shot. This is why I don't want to.

[Buck]

After all of our shark discussion. I'm just saying this is, this is. I'm starting to worry about your Alcatraz swim a little bit here, buddy, which we've already committed to. And I'm going to be in that launch boat cheering you on nice and warm with my Crockett hot cocoa. We were gonna start making by then, but this guy I believe was snorkeling and it looked like he tried to touch the shark, which is a bad idea.

[Clay]

Oh, well, that's very, very different.

[Buck]

Yeah, it was not a predatory attack. It was a leave me alone bite on the hand and he had to go to the hospital. But technically a shark attack. Not far from where I was swimming.

[Clay]

On Sunday, I was walking into church. This is 100% true. Guy I had not met before comes up and he says that he is part of a long distance swimming team and they have been hearing us talk about he had swam Catalina, he had swam from Alcatraz and they do regular long training sessions and he was offering his skill set and his team to me as a training companion. This is, I mean legitimately, as I am walking into church on Sunday, this gentleman I had never met before came up and he wanted me to know that he had my back on the swims and that he and the team were ready to assist as necessary. And I told him, I said, well, I'm kind of getting a little bit terrified, not of the swim, but that I'm tempting fate and I'm going to be eaten by a shark. And he told me that I would be fine. So I hope he's right. But yeah, you narrowly avoided attack on a on a swim in Biscayne Bay.

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