Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck - Oct 12 2025

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck
Date: October 12, 2025

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Overview

In this lively “Sunday Hang” episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackle the intersection of culture and politics, exploring topics ranging from fan culture in sports to the deeper societal implications of the Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce engagement. The hosts field calls from their opinionated audience, dive into the normalization of conservative values by unexpected pop icons, and discuss how the culture wars play out in everyday life. Guest Katie Miller, host of a new podcast and former Trump White House official, joins for a candid conversation on transforming culture, the TikTok “sorority video” phenomenon, and the changing aims of young women today.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jersey Etiquette and Sports Fandom

(00:21 - 03:11)

• Clay Travis debates the appropriateness of grown men wearing jerseys of much younger players, prompting both disagreement and stories from callers.
  • Quote (Clay, 00:58): “I'm talking about if you're 53 and you were in Florida and you went to a game and you're wearing a 19 year old's jersey. I think it's a weird look.”
• Buck Sexton admits he’s never owned a team jersey, leading to lighthearted banter about sports, fandom, and generational norms.

2. Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce: Culture, Conservatism, and Cultural Downstream

(03:34 - 16:15)

• Clay drops a lengthy, passionate analysis on why the Taylor Swift–Travis Kelce engagement matters culturally and politically, arguing:
  • Pop culture influences politics, especially among women 14–40 who are deeply invested in Swift's narrative.
  • Taylor embodies “conservative values”—wanting marriage, children, and a nuclear family—despite her left-wing political stances.
  • Her engagement could inspire a generational shift among young women toward family formation.
  • Quote (Clay, 06:14): “What she is doing is she is pursuing a conservative lifestyle while saying she supports left wing politics… her ultimate aspirational goal is a nuclear family. This is what she's been seeking her entire life, Buck.”
• Buck both rib Clay for the depth of his analysis and wonders whether politics is still downstream from culture or vice versa in the Trump era.
  • Quote (Buck, 09:17): “That was like the Gettysburg Address of Kelsey Swift analysis.”
• Host and callers debate the cultural significance (or lack thereof) of the engagement, with some listeners expressing annoyance, prompting Clay to explain the importance for older listeners.
  • Quote (Clay, 10:52): “Your granddaughters are texting about this right now and they're going to be talking about it at Thanksgiving… you steal that and you're going to be the coolest grandpa on the planet.”

Memorable Call-in Responses

• Randy from Colorado (13:15): Calls in just to say, “Really? Who cares?” about the engagement.
• Clay’s retort: “You have called the show only six times in four years, yet you were compelled… Do you have granddaughters?” (13:42)
• Clay’s advice to grandfathers: memorize his monologue for family cred at Thanksgiving.

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3. Interview: Katie Miller and the Battle for Cultural Normalcy

(17:20 - 31:54)

Introduction & Cultural Influence

(17:20 - 19:54)

• Clay introduces Katie Miller, praising her new podcast targeting cultural and lifestyle issues for conservative women.
• Discussion on the rise of “sorority videos” dominating social media and the apparent resurgence of cultural normalcy—boys as boys, girls as girls, football as a central ritual.
  • Quote (Clay, 18:45): “It feels like there's just a huge, desperate demand for the country to return to normal. And do you feel that?”

Podcast Philosophy and Content

(19:54 - 23:03)

• Katie Miller discusses creating content for conservative women that is relatable and lifestyle-focused, rather than overtly political.
  • Quote (Katie, 20:30): “There is no female podcast out there that talks lifestyle relatability… what's going on in the lives of women that's not political… so in order for us to change culture, we have to talk to women where they are.”
• Stories of interviews with politicians about their daily lives, and with business leaders like Airbnb’s co-founder and Mike Tyson—with surprising insights (Tyson avoids boxing talk, reveals love for “The Notebook”).

Pop Culture and Shared Experience

(23:03 - 24:54)

• Banter about overrated and classic “date movies” (The English Patient, The Notebook, Bloodsport).
• Revelations about the Millers’ family film choices and date experiences.

Elon Musk and Workplace Culture

(26:36 - 28:26)

• Katie shares anecdotes from her work with Elon Musk, emphasizing his focus on employee well-being at SpaceX’s Starbase, Texas.
  • Quote (Katie, 27:10): “To me, the most surprising part about Elon was… how much he truly cares about his employees… their personal lives and their general well being.”

Concerns for Family Formation & Demographics

(28:26 - 31:33)

• Clay and Katie discuss declining birth rates and societal reluctance toward starting families young.
• Katie critiques the modern tendency to delay childbirth and argues for encouraging marriage and family in early adulthood, especially for women.
  • Quote (Katie, 29:44): “We should be having marriage. We should be getting married and having babies at the beginning of our adult lives, not at the end… I think the worst thing, one of the worst things that happened to our country was when 16 and Pregnant... started collapsing younger kids having kids.”
  • She attributes some blame to shifting employment expectations for women, suggesting fulfillment is found in motherhood first.
  • Quote (Katie, 31:17): “A woman's best job and her primary job, because that's what our brains are wired to do, is raise children… we should not be in a society where women feel like they have to go to work and raising their kids isn't their first available option.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Clay Travis (about Swift/Kelce, 06:14):
  “Taylor Swift has spent her entire career singing about, trying to find her Mr. Right. She's become a billionaire… what she is doing… she is pursuing a conservative lifestyle while saying she supports left wing politics… her ultimate aspirational goal is a nuclear family.”

• Buck Sexton (about Clay’s analysis, 09:17):
  “That was like the Gettysburg Address of Kelsey Swift analysis. I mean that is a for all time probably, probably the best take humbly that will happen on the Travis Kelsey Taylor Swift marriage engagement and why it matters…”

• Randy from Colorado (Caller, 13:15):
  “Really? Who cares?”

• Katie Miller (on cultural change, 20:30):
  “There is no female podcast out there that talks lifestyle relatability… so in order for us to change culture, we have to talk to women where they are.”

• Katie Miller (on motherhood, 31:17):
  “A woman's best job and her primary job, because that's what our brains are wired to do, is raise children… we should not be in a society where women feel like they have to go to work and raising their kids isn't their first available option.”

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Key Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:21 | Jersey-wearing debate kicks off with a caller | | 03:34 | Clay begins Taylor Swift and politics discussion | | 09:17 | Buck’s “Gettysburg Address” comment on Clay’s cultural analysis | | 10:52 | Clay encourages older listeners to “steal” his take for family cred | | 13:15 | Randy from Colorado calls in “Really? Who cares?” | | 17:20 | Katie Miller interview begins | | 20:30 | Katie on podcasting for conservative women’s lifestyle interests | | 23:43 | Bad date stories: Katie’s worst double date | | 26:36 | Katie on Elon Musk’s surprising focus on employee well-being | | 29:44 | Katie on delayed marriage/childbirth and implications for society | | 31:17 | Katie: “A woman's best job… is raise children” argument | | 31:54 | Closing remarks, Katie shares where to find her podcast |

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Tone & Style

The tone throughout is conversational, humorous, irreverent, and occasionally provocative, blending earnest cultural critique with self-aware banter. Clay’s lengthy takes are simultaneously sincere and tongue-in-cheek, while Buck alternates between gentle ribbing and thoughtful counterpoints. Callers and guest segments keep the conversation dynamic and audience-oriented.

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Summary prepared for listeners seeking an in-depth, intelligently irreverent exploration of pop culture, family values, and politics on the October 12, 2025, episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.

Transcript

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Steve in Florida. You disagree? You got a strong take. What you got?

[Caller (Steve/Randy/Gerald)]

Hey, guys, I finally get through. Awesome.

[Katie Miller]

Hey.

[Caller (Steve/Randy/Gerald)]

I have to disagree with you there, Clay, about the jerseys. One about for a guy that's younger than you. I happen to be from Indiana and I moved down here in Florida about 16 years ago. I'm a huge Peyton Manning fan and I have his jersey. And don't think for one second.

[Clay Travis]

Hold on. How old are you, Steve?

[Caller (Steve/Randy/Gerald)]

I am 53 and 46.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I'm 46. I think Manning is like 48. That's like same range, right? I'm talking about if you're 53 and you were in Florida and you went to a game and you're wearing a 19 year old's jersey. I think it's a weird look. So you're in the ballpark of a guy that's around the same age. So I'm not really calling you out. I'm calling out somebody my age, 46, who I go, I'm going to go to the Florida State game, right. Alabama, if you're wearing a Ty Simpson jersey and you are 60 and it's not your son, I think you look like a weirdo.

[Buck Sexton]

Candidly, Clay is making friends today.

[Clay Travis]

If you want to wear, if you want to wear a Joe Namath Jersey and you're 60, it's like, okay, that guy's older than you. This is important rule. I think C.J. and Raleigh, N.C. do you own any jerseys, Buck?

[Buck Sexton]

Me?

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. I don't think.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay, answer your own question. Does Buck own any sports jerseys?

[Clay Travis]

I thought maybe you had an old school like John Starks or Patrick jersey.

[Buck Sexton]

Not only do I not own a sports jersey, Clay, I have never owned. I had jerseys for teams I played on, but I've never owned.

[Clay Travis]

Do your brothers own a jersey?

[Buck Sexton]

I don't think so, no.

[Clay Travis]

C.J. in Raleigh, North Carolina, what you got for us?

[Caller (Steve/Randy/Gerald)]

Yes, sir. I wanted to tell you I heard you say you're going to go to the UT Georgia game coming up in September. I went to Peyton Manning's last football game at UT. I was staying at the Marriott in 10, you know, in Knoxville. And when I went to get in the elevator, the coach of the Bulldogs got in with four big players and I looked at him and I said, dude, I feel sorry for you guys today because we're going to kick your butt. And he looked at me, said, we're going to a pep rally. Will you come with us? And I went, you gonna kill me? He said, no. Will you walk into the pep rally in the big ballroom of this hotel with me just for a minute? And I said, yeah. And I walked in and he got everybody be quiet. And he said, now, what did you just tell our boy?

[Clay Travis]

That's great.

[Caller (Steve/Randy/Gerald)]

And I told him. And I used the other a word. I said, we're gonna kick your A. And he said, I think it's time for you to leave. And I sat in that game and enjoyed that game so much. And I've always been a Peyton Manning fan.

[Clay Travis]

Anyway, thank you for the call. I give credit to the coaches there. That is fun, right? Like bring in an opposing fan, get everybody r up. What did you tell me in the elevator? We're going to kick your ass. That is fun. Sunday, hang with Clay and Buck. I am going to make an argument here that is potentially going to blow some people's minds and we'll probably have some fun responses. We are.

[Buck Sexton]

We already have some salty emails about your. Your fixation on the Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce news.

[Clay Travis]

So I'm going to tell you why this matters. I believe that the, one of the truest phrases of all time, I think Andrew Breitbart was credited with it, is politics is downstream from culture. Right? It is. What you are seeing from young men right now, I believe is directly connected to the way that the culture has shifted around them.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't want to interrupt your train here. I just wanted to say I think that Trump has actually reversed that maxim. But that's a whole. I think that, that, that's. That culture is now downstream of politics in the Trump era.

[Clay Travis]

But yes, well, that's actually a super interesting concept because my argument would be Trump has co opted much of the trends that he is intuitive enough to have seen and accelerated and exacerbated them to a degree that they are impossible to miss. And, but, but, but in general, whatever you think about this, there are 100 million girls today right now. Women. Every woman in your Life who is 14 to 40 right now has got a girlfriend texting her about the Taylor Swift endorsement. I mean, engagement. And that is, I bet, the number one thing being texted about all over the country right now. And I guarantee you it may not be, hey, they're excited about it. It may be like, hey, are they going to get divorced? Or can you believe this? Every woman 14 to 40 has got a girlfriend right now texting her about this. And it may be 12 to 40. I'm telling you. I'm telling you.

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[Clay Travis]

Every single one.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay wants to see if I'm just going to, like, take a break from radio and just jump out the window and see if I'm okay, you know, if I can land in the bushes or something. Just anything to escape.

[Clay Travis]

Every single one. Every single one. All right, that has a phone. Maybe there are some out there. And if they don't. If they don't have a phone, they're calling each other right now about it. They're sending emails. Carrier pigeons flying across the night sky right now. All right, why does it. What. What is the lesson that this. That they are taking from this? Taylor Swift has spent her entire career singing about, trying to find her. Mr. Right. She's become a billionaire. I actually respect Taylor Swift. She writes her own songs. As I said earlier, if you wanted to pick someone in pop culture for your daughter to aspire to emulate, which I'm not saying is healthy, but we all know happens, Taylor Swift might be just about the best role model there could be for a little girl out there in pop culture. Okay? She's never had scandals associated with her that she has. She hasn't had. I just. I'm singing her praises as an individual and what she's doing. What she is doing is she is pursuing a conservative lifestyle while saying she supports left wing politics. And I think when you see this, you cannot escape it. So many people out there on the left, they talk left, but they live right. What did Taylor Swift want? A man to marry so she could have kids. She wants her ultimate aspirational goal is a nuclear family. This is what she's been seeking her entire life, Buck. Her entire career is about finding a guy she can marry and have babies with. It's actually very conservative and positive. She didn't have kids out of wedlock. She hasn't been married and divorced four times now. She's waited, yes, into her 30s to get married. I think they will have bunches of babies. I think they will have them soon. And I think there are going to be generations of girls that will look at Taylor Swift and seek in their own lives to emulate her. I also think that when she gets married. Now, I've been critical of Travis Kelce because I think I know Travis Kelce. I covered sports. He is a lovable dolt. Not a particularly smart guy, not a particularly Sabbath savvy guy, but a Guy who likes to laugh and is energetic and is a good locker room guy. Every business has a Travis Kelsey in it. Every team, if they're successful, have, has Travis Kelsey's in it. I think that's what attracted Taylor Swift and I think that she is going to become more conservative. She may still say the things that they say in Hollywood about hey, I'm, I'm endorsing Kamala Harris and all these things. But I believe that ultimately she went and got a football playing dude instead of dating all these male feminists. And I think it's going to be ultimately a net positive as politics is downstream from culture. I think a lot of little girls and a lot of teenage girls and a lot of Girls in their 20s and 30s looking for Mr. Wright want what Taylor Swift has found. And the nuclear family is ultimately the salvation of America. There you go, Buck. That's a very positive take. You may not ascribe to any of it. I'm telling you, I think it's significant.

[Buck Sexton]

It's, yeah, obviously the family and having kids and not being married five times and not being a degenerate. I mean those are all good things. But that's the most intricate analysis of Taylor Swift Travis Kelsey I've ever heard.

[Clay Travis]

I'm telling you why it matters.

[Buck Sexton]

That was like, that was like the Gettysburg Address of Kelsey Swift analysis. I mean that is a for all.

[Clay Travis]

Time probably, probably the best take humbly that will happen on the Travis Kelsey Taylor Swift marriage engagement and why it matters now if they end up not getting married and she goes off and she has eight kids out of wedlock, then it will not have actually materialized as I am telling you. But I guarantee you with me, with my voice, my connection.

[Buck Sexton]

Weren't you, weren't you wrong off the. Wait, hold on a second. Just, just to set the record straight here, buddy, weren't you wrong about this relationship from the get go? Should we actually have Lara Trump sent. I'm sorry, Laura Travis, not Trump, the other Laura. Lara Travis sending us a talk back about what's going to happen here because she knew this would work. You, sir, were a doubting clay.

[Clay Travis]

It's true. That's very well played, by the way. All of that is true and that's why when the live on the air, when this news broke, I lost. I've been arguing that Travis Kelsey was too dumb for Taylor Swift. But when the facts change, and the facts are changed, they are now engaged. I am telling you that this is the big takeaway and I there is not a single 14 to 40 year old everybody.

[Buck Sexton]

Can we open the lines and see everybody is reacting? Let's, let's, let's see what the people think about this one. All right, Clay, let's, let's see what the people think. The VIP emails are flowing in just to be sporting about it. I'll let you choose which one of the all caps shouting at you emails you would like to read right now.

[Clay Travis]

These are old dudes who don't understand modern culture. I'm trying to explain to you how to win. I understand if you're 70 year old dude, listening to us right now, you don't get why Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift matters. Your granddaughters are texting about this right now and they're going to be talking about it at Thanksgiving. And because you just heard my breakdown, you steal that and you're going to be the coolest grandpa on the planet when you deliver it at your Thanksgiving meal. I'm just telling you, they're going to be like, grandpa, how, how did you, how did you nail this? You'll say, Clay, Travis, perfectly encapsulated why this matters as a cultural moment. But you don't have to give me credit. You can just be like, well, I've been paying attention to the cultural trends. Oh my God. Clay says Rosemary. Let me just say this, Buck. What are the odds that Rosemary.

[Buck Sexton]

I knew you were going to do this.

[Clay Travis]

Well, I'm just saying, wrote, there is not anyone under 50 named Rosemarie in the country. Rose Marie is not.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay.

[Clay Travis]

Not. I'm not. It's not a negative. You know, Ethel, all the ethos out.

[Buck Sexton]

There, I'm sure, usually I don't think they, I don't think they go by Ethel.

[Clay Travis]

But all that, all the Ethels out there, it's fabulous name. They're 80 or older and it'll cycle back. My grandmother was named Ruth. Great name. It cycled all the way back. But Rosemarie here, if Rosemarie is 34, I will eat a hat live on the show. I guarantee you Rosemarie, who just wrote in, is retired. And she said, oh my God, Clay, enough about Swifty. You are a closet leftist vomit. None of my friends texted all caps, all caps. None of my friends texted me about her engagement. We do not care. Okay, again, I said women 14 to 40. I didn't say that. Women who are retired are all reacting to this, but the ones who are texting their granddaughters are. And I will also say this, it doesn't tell me that you do not care when you say we do not care. When you write we do not care, you actually care deeply, as much of America does about this. Randy.

[Buck Sexton]

Randy from Colorado wants to weigh in on this one. One of our esteemed listeners. Randy, what's going on?

[Caller (Steve/Randy/Gerald)]

Just listen. Really? Who cares?

[Clay Travis]

So you called in to tell us that you don't care?

[Caller (Steve/Randy/Gerald)]

I don't care about that at all. That there's more important stuff to life.

[Clay Travis]

Well, that's true. But you do realize there's an irony in how many times you called the show.

[Caller (Steve/Randy/Gerald)]

Probably about six times over a year.

[Clay Travis]

How many times have we had you on the air?

[Caller (Steve/Randy/Gerald)]

Twice.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, well, that's pretty good. So you have called the show only six times in four years, yet you were compelled. You jumped out of your chair, you grabbed your phone, you left it. Do you have granddaughters? Do you have granddaughters?

[Caller (Steve/Randy/Gerald)]

Yes, sir.

[Buck Sexton]

Randy, can I just say we appreciate you being a loyal listener to the program, and we appreciate the time you spent on hold to get on the air. Clay feels that way as well.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, but, Randy, more importantly, you go back and you listen to that incredible monologue I delivered about why it matters so much. You pretend it's like Romeo and Juliet and you're playing the role of Romeo in the school play. You memorize it. You deliver it at Thanksgiving dinner to your teenage granddaughters. You're going to be the coolest grandpa of all time. And you can completely take credit for it because they're going to have no idea that you stole it from me. My gift to you.

[Caller (Steve/Randy/Gerald)]

I'd rather listen to ZZ Top.

[Clay Travis]

Well, okay, that's fine. I mean, I understand we compete with music, but thank you, Randy. I'm just trying to make Randy the coolest grandpa of all time. That's my goal.

[Buck Sexton]

And we have. Let's see. Clay, you now. Oh, the entire inbox has. Has been now overtaken by Gerald.

[Clay Travis]

Gerald.

[Buck Sexton]

There we go.

[Clay Travis]

F. Taylor and Travis. I could care less. And I both. And I find them both annoying as hell. Maybe she will go away and her fans will be crying in their love. I genuinely. Look, I. Am I the only person who. When people get engaged, I say I hope they get married and stay married and have lots of babies. Like, does everybody else hear and see engagements and be like Gerald here and say, maybe she will go away and her fans will be crying in their loneliness? That feels a little dark to me. I mean, Buck, even. Even you, the Grinch who stole the engagement here. Maybe she will go away and her fans will be crying in their loneliness. Feels a little intense to me. Gerald feels a little and to drop an F bomb on him really feels a little aggressive.

[Buck Sexton]

All right, what else do, what else do we have here?

[Clay Travis]

Well, we got to do a read for you. Okay, you do the read and we got callers loading up.

[Buck Sexton]

We all can take a breather here. Maybe we'll come back and do news. Talk about saving the Republic.

[Clay Travis]

They're saving the Republic.

[Buck Sexton]

Going to say that they're saving the Republic according to Clay, which is remarkable.

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[Clay Travis]

Sunday sizzle with Clay and Buck. I bet Katie Miller will have a good answer on this this and we will bring her in. She's got a great new podcast, wife of Stephen Miller, Trump White House official. She has done a lot of different things, a lot of positive things about her. One negative I would have to share right off the top is that she is a Florida Gator and she graduated from there back when Florida was actually still good at football. Seems like a long time ago. And we bring in now Katie Miller with that introduction. Katie, I hope everything is going well. I've seen the podcast, the clips as well and it seems to be going very well. They are much better than Florida Gator football. But right off the top here you and Katie Britt. I actually watched a decent amount of this, had a big conversation about the we started off the show today talking about culture and how culture you have to win in culture in order to win in politics. And I love what you're doing with the podcast because I think this is a big part of that. But you have seen Sydney Sweeney stock of American Eagle is skyrocketing today. They put a pretty girl in jeans and Said, go buy jeans you have seen. And I wanted to lead with this because you are a floor former Florida Gator sorority girl. So was Katie Britt. You have seen these sorority videos. Just take over TikTok, take over Instagram, take over Twitter. It feels like cultural normalcy. Boys are boys, girls are girls, football setting records. SEC schools are flooded with applications. It feels like there's just a huge, desperate demand for the country to return to normal. And do you feel that? Is that a part of what you're tapping into with your show?

[Katie Miller]

Thanks, Clay Buck, for having me on today. It's very exciting to do your show for the first time, and I'd be remiss if I did not say, go Gators. And very much an ouch. That Florida football is indeed fantastic. There is nothing like being in the swamp on a Saturday, cheering alongside 90,000 fans for the Gators to get a touchdown.

[Buck Sexton]

Wait, can I. Can I jump in really quick, Katie, Just because. So my wife is also a Gatorade, and she's also a follower listener of your podcast. By the way, she has fabulous, fabulous taste in everything. Audio, husbands, colleges. What year were you at UF? Or years. I was there.

[Katie Miller]

I was pledge class 2010, University of Florida, Alpha Omicron PI, Proud Panda.

[Buck Sexton]

I think you guys, you guys might have overlapped. I know it's a big place. But anyway, keep going. You UF ladies are the best. Go ahead.

[Katie Miller]

We are 100% the best. Still, remember my sorority cheers. But no, why I launched the podcast is. You're so right. Is in order to change culture, you have to talk to people where they are. And we saw in the 2024 election, President Trump talked to every podcaster out there, right? They called it the bro election. And having bros be bros again, right? Guys be guys, women be women. But there is no female podcast out there that talks lifestyle relatability. What's going on in the lives of women that's not political, and that isn't just politics all day long. And so in order for us to change culture, we have to talk to women where they are. You know, what are you listening to when you are washing dishes, when you're folding laundry, when you're doing a craft with your kids? I didn't think there was anything out there for me, so I thought, why not do it myself?

[Buck Sexton]

So you've had conversations already, Katie, with Vice President J.D.

[Clay Travis]

Vance.

[Buck Sexton]

Senator. Senator Katie. Brad. I mean, clearly you're getting some very big names to sit down with you. What are some of the topics? I mean, you've mentioned them in broad stroke, but some of the specific, more specific issues that you think conservative women want discussed more, want more attention, whether it's in the podcast universe or just in the broader media ecosystem.

[Katie Miller]

I just think a women's issue is not just, and I hate to be like, crude when I say this, it's not just our period and sex and those type of issues. Right. A women's issue is just how a woman talks about issues. And I hate being bucketed into just saying my brain can only handle what is, quote unquote, a woman's issue because I think it does a disservice to all smart women out there and women who have a brain, which is 100% of us, though some may not use it as well as others. And so what issues do we talk about? You know, you mentioned I had Katie Britt, you mentioned I had J.D. vance. And with two political guests, we did everything except politics. Right? What does JD make for breakfast in the morning? What time does he get home? Is he putting his kids to bed? What's his favorite condiment? You know, the really important issues you want to know from your vice president. And so, you know, next this episode we just released Monday night at 6 o' clock was with Joe Gebbia, the co founder of Airbnb. How did he start Airbnb? You know, we asked him important questions like, what's the dumbest thing he's ever spent money on? If you had all the money in the world, what's the craziest thing you've spent it on? You know, what's life like as a billionaire that, you know, only I think it's 2,800 people in the whole world get to experience that. What's that like? Which, you know, people don't ever ask those questions because they're probably inappropriate, but I've somehow lost a filter over years of working for President Trump. And then there's also, you know, questions like next week we have on Mike Tyson, which is, you know, really fun for your audience. But I asked him about everything except boxing. And so what did we talk about? We talked about, what does he do when he works out? Which day is leg day? Which day is arm day? Which guess what, he works out every part of his body every day. Apparently, he's in his gym most hours of the day. We talked about, which will be really fun. What was it like living next to Wayne Newton? And they have two different types of animals. One has horses and one has tigers. And let you know how that works.

[Clay Travis]

Out on the podcast, we somehow got onto a conversation because Buck was watching with his wife Carrie, the movie the English Patient. And I mentioned that in 1996, when that movie came out, I went on a date with a girl that I liked at the time, the English Patient. Which is closer to going on a date to watch Schindler's List than it is to go watch the new Happy Gilmore. What is the worst date that you've ever been on? And do you remember, like, partway through it, like, thinking, I've got to get a girlfriend to call me to get out of this? Have you ever had a situation where you were like, this is absolute misery. How do I get out of this?

[Katie Miller]

I've had one. I can recall it. It was actually when I was at Florida, a friend of mine, we had gone on a double date to. Oh, my gosh, it was a steakhouse in Tampa. So we were in a car with these guys for, like, an hour and a half. Or at the restaurant. We're both like, we gotta run. But we're an hour and a half away from home. And so we ended up. This was like, pre Uber, right? You're like, how do you get from Tampa back to Gainesville? We ended up staying in a hotel for the night and renting a car the next day. But that was probably.

[Clay Travis]

That's how bad the date was. You refused to get in a car to drive back to Gainesville with them.

[Katie Miller]

Yes, we ended up staying the night in Tampa at a hotel with no change of clothes. I remember this vividly because those. The nights you remember. I don't remember why we went on this double date. I don't remember who the double date was with. If I couldn't even recall, like, what their faces look like. I just knew this was, like, not the vibe.

[Buck Sexton]

All right, wait, hold on. So we're talking to Katie Miller here of the Katie Miller Podcast, which was just launched. And, Katie, we can't let you go. We can't let you bypass. Do you agree with me that the English Patient is a wildly overrated movie, or are you on Team Peterman from Seinfeld that it's so good if anyone doesn't like it, they should be fired?

[Katie Miller]

I've never seen it, guys.

[Buck Sexton]

See, I hadn't seen it till this weekend. So that's why we were talking about it, which every. I feel like I thought everyone. Katie had seen it. I thought everybody knew. So that's you.

[Katie Miller]

Can you and Steve, I'll tell you a really good. A good one here. Some breaking news for You. So I asked Mike Tyson would he rather watch the Notebook every day, every every Friday for the rest of his life, or never watch sports again. And he said the Notebook is his ultimate favorite movie. So I come home. Stephen and I are talking about this, right? We're like. And he's like, I've never seen the Notebook. So to me, if you're saying the English Patient is one of these that, like, everyone's got to see, is there, like, ultimate date night movie. I thought the Notebook was that for sure. And Steven's never seen it, so.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, well, you may.

[Clay Travis]

I've never seen a book. Have you seen the Notebook?

[Buck Sexton]

Clay? I was a single guy going on day. Of course I got. I got dragged to the Notebook. Every guy, Every guy who's ever been single when it came out, saw the Notebook. But Katie, do you. I mean, I know you know this because your husband. We're both Stephen Miller fans here, and you know, back in the. Back in the OG days, back in the first administration. And do you realize that his favorite movie is also probably the favorite movie of my two brothers and me, which is Bloodsport with Jean Claude Van Damme, which we can quote every single line from this movie. Steven said on the show that he believes that is the best movie ever made.

[Katie Miller]

I agree. I. Stephen loves movies. He really. I guess I agree with that because we watch that all the time.

[Clay Travis]

You have watched. You've been forced to watch Bloodsport.

[Katie Miller]

Let me ask you this many times, guys.

[Buck Sexton]

It's so Clay, I can do every line from that movie. You start talking to me in Bloodsport, I can respond in Bloodsport. It's like its own language.

[Clay Travis]

You worked with Elon. You're talking about all of these different guests that you have. I imagine at some point Elon will be on. But leaving aside, obviously, like, trying to put people on Mars and. And all the success with the different companies, what surprised you about Elon as a person? Like you said Mike Tyson, you didn't expect him to like the Notebook? What surprise. What do you think would surprise people about Elon that doesn't have to do with the brilliant entrepreneurial aspect based on your experience with him?

[Katie Miller]

To me, the most surprising part about Elon was is how much he truly cares about his employees. And I don't just mean that they're excellent and succeeding for him in business. I mean how much he cares about their livelihoods, their personal lives and their general well being. You know, you talk about Mars, and I believe everyone who's listening, including both of you, should go To Starbase Texas, if you haven't. It is an unbelievable town where they've built just for the employees of SpaceX, but they have flights that go to and from LA every week so that employees who live in Texas can get to a metropolis whenever they want to an urban city and get to their friends and family. And it's paid for by the company and they can bring their family with them. They built unbelievable houses and a pool and bars and restaurants and a gym. And it is truly this like little oasis on a strip of sand in Texas that's meant to make his employees lives better, with a doctor, with medical care, with like a little convenience store that's all for his employees. And I believe you don't do that and build something like that unless you really want people who tour who work for you to be extremely happy. And everyone who works for him feels that similarly.

[Clay Travis]

Katie, I know you're talking again to the larger culture here and I bet you now think about this. I think you have three kids. Bucks got one. I've got three.

[Katie Miller]

I have a four, three and two year old.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, I mean that is. Yes. So you have, you're in the weeds in a big way. Buck has got an under one and my boys are getting older, 17, 14 and 10. But I now think a lot about the fact that, and I know this is something that Elon has been tweeting about, I bet you think about it some too. The population is collapsing. It feels like men are often unhappy with women and women are often unhappy with men. How do we get back the sexes to being somewhat happy? Right. I understand there's jokes in relationships and everything else, but when there aren't kids being produced, when there aren't a lot of babies, society is legitimately being threatened. I worry about this quite a lot. Do you think about it at all? What advice would you have out there for the single people time today? Yeah. Okay, good.

[Katie Miller]

One of my like most thought about topics, if it was up to Stephen, we'd have probably a dozen children. Though I don't know if your wife feels similarly, but being pregnant is not my thing. However, you know, still more kids to come in the Miller household. But I would tell you this, is that I think the worst thing, one of the worst things that happened to our country was when 16 and pregnant, that show on MTV that we all credit with stopping, you know, teen birth rates is the one that started collapsing. You know, younger kids having kids, you know, you saw with Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey, is that them getting engaged is the culmination of their adulthood instead of the beginning, we should be having marriage. We should be getting married and having babies at the beginning of our adult lives, not at the end. Because women were meant to have kids in younger years. And I'll say this as I'm 33 and I understand that every year I get older makes it harder for me to have a kid. I'm not immune to that fact. But we aren't encouraging women to have kids younger. We are encouraging and we're having a society that is encouraging childbirth at older years. Why is it at hospitals in D.C. that their first time moms are 39 years old? That's a geriatric pregnancy. We shouldn't be doing that. It's not healthy for the mother. It's not healthy for the child. We should be encouraging younger rates. And I think that goes to. I see a lot of this is that women feel that they are better than the men and they must have the same equal degree as the man. And then therefore, they don't feel less than we need to be telling. And I also think one other point on this is that when women were told to go to the workplace and that they should have the same job as a man, that did not glamorize going to an office. Because I believe a woman's best job and her primary job, because that's what our brains are wired to do, is raise children. Does that mean that should be the only thing you do?

[Clay Travis]

No.

[Katie Miller]

But we should not be in a society where women feel like they have to go to work and raising their kids isn't their first available option. Because I think when you're telling a woman that they should feel that they should to be equal to a man, they have to go to an office. That's when we're losing a society.

[Buck Sexton]

Katie Miller podcast, everybody.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, yeah. No. Spot on. And a great way for all of you to hear more of this analysis is to go subscribe to Katie's podcast. Katie, tell Stephen that we send a high five. And congrats on the podcast all the success you're having so far. And come back after you've watched the English Patient. Let us know what you think.

[Katie Miller]

Thanks, guys. And you can find the Katie Miller podcast everywhere. You find a podcast like subscribe and follow. This is an I Heart podcast.