Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck - Sep 7 2025

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Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show — Sunday Hang (Sep 7, 2025)

Episode Overview

In this episode of "The Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck," hosts Clay Travis and Buck Sexton take a sharp, humorous look at current cultural and political controversies—particularly the backlash to a new American Eagle ad campaign featuring actress Sydney Sweeney. They explore how debates over beauty standards, advertising, and the influence of "woke" culture are shaping broader cultural and political trends. The episode also touches on changing health norms, generational shifts in lifestyle, and the declining popularity of the Democratic Party, as illustrated by recent polling and media analysis.

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1. Cultural Shifts in Advertising and Beauty Standards

The Sydney Sweeney/American Eagle Controversy

• Clay opens with a discussion about changes in advertising, especially the pendulum swing from “body positivity” inclusivity to a revival of traditional beauty standards in recent ads:

  "The idea that, for instance, Nike was gonna put a man who's pretending to be a woman in a sports bra and be like, you should go buy Nikes. ... And then the thing that really got popular was, hey, really obese people in spandex. ... there's really a revolution ... against those ads because by and large, they didn’t work." (03:35)

• Enter Sydney Sweeney: American Eagle, struggling financially, hires the buxom actress to star in “sexy” ads, prompting an internet backlash from some left-leaning figures, who call the campaign regressive.

• Clay highlights how some on the left have even labeled the campaign “Nazi propaganda.”

  “One of these left wingers ... says that the American Eagle ad of Sydney Sweeney is Nazi propaganda.” (04:55)

Play on Words Leads to Outrage

• The ad’s tagline (“Sydney Sweeney has great genes”) is criticized on national media such as Good Morning America for its supposed eugenics and white supremacist undertones.

  "It's being compared to Nazi propaganda with racial undertones." — GMA segment, paraphrased by Clay/Buck (19:27)

Hosts’ Reactions and Analysis

• Clay: Advertisements have always leaned on “aspirational” beauty.

  “...one way that products sell themselves is by putting pretty girls in the product ... This has been a trend for a very, very long time.” (04:30)

• Buck: Body positivity campaigns are facing pushback as consumers turn toward health and science.

  “The idea that you could be morbidly obese and should be proud of that is very similar to the idea that you could be so anorexic ... It’s deeply unhealthy.” (08:17)

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2. The Science and Aspirations Behind Beauty and Health Trends

Health Culture and Wellness

• The hosts argue that people—especially the young—are moving away from unhealthy norms (smoking, binge drinking) and toward fitness:

  “Aspiring to be healthier and stronger ... is one of the most important things that young men and young women can be taught.” – Clay (11:35)

• Buck observes technology and medical science (GLP-1s, peptides) are fueling this shift toward healthier expectations (08:13).

The Limits of Social Engineering and Biology

• Attempts to erase beauty or change perceptions have limits:

  “Because if everybody is physically beautiful, then, like, nobody’s physically beautiful, right?” – Buck (11:07)

• Both hosts laugh at efforts to “cancel” traditional attractiveness, linking it to deeper political overreach and attempts to flatten merit and excellence.

  "If you want to control people, you demoralize them, ... you are what the state says you are." – Buck (24:05)

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3. Cultural and Political Backlash to "Wokeness"

Media and Corporate Messaging

• Buck derides the left’s embrace and then rejection of the term “woke,” arguing the meaning has shifted:

  “Woke used to be a term ... they were proud of it, ... we have successfully flipped this around such that woke now is a very effective pejorative for left wing maniacs who are malcontents..." (19:59)

• Clay: The American left’s drive to subvert beauty and merit has led to cultural and political alienation.

Identity Politics and Democratic Party Challenges

• Discussion of minorities’ political realignment, with segments on the NYT's and WSJ's recent coverage of black, Hispanic, and Asian voters turning toward Trump (33:53).

• Notable Quote:

  “All of them used to vote Democrat and they now have moved on to vote for Trump and be supportive of him. ...I think it just comes down to authenticity.” – Clay (33:53)

• Clay reads from a NYT interview with Milwaukee voter Orlando Owens, who explains his disillusionment with Democratic politics:

  “A lot of black people have already heard the promises from Democrats and nothing was delivered.” (40:17)

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4. The Internal Contradictions of "Inclusivity" and Self-Loathing

White Women and the Woke Movement

• The hosts argue that much of the current Democratic base—liberal white women—are expressing self-directed hostility over their own race, beauty, and perceived privilege:

  "Has there ever been a group of people that have hated themselves for things that they cannot choose that is now the backbone of an entire political party? ... The toxic nature of the woke mind virus gets them..." – Clay (43:09, 44:23)

• Buck: The backlash over Sydney Sweeney isn’t about diversity of beauty, but about suppressing beauty altogether:

  "It wasn’t, 'we need more hot Asian and black [models].' ... It was, 'we don’t want beauty anymore. We want something else.'" (29:29)

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5. Humorous Moments & Notable Quotes

• On Biological Reality:

  “People still like hot chicks. It's going to continue to be the case. ... I understand basic biology. I cosign here." – Clay (46:23–47:43)

• On Strip Clubs as an Example of True Cosmetic Diversity:

  "Do you know the most successful, inclusive of cosmetic diversity business in mankind history? Strip club ... that’s the number one cosmetic diversity place where everybody makes more." – Clay (30:29)

• On Tipping and Beauty:

  “They did a study on tipping and ... women tip women with larger boobs as well.” – Buck (48:04) “I, I did not know that. The men's side obviously does not surprise me at all. ... But women like boobs too.” – Clay (48:21)

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6. Segment Timestamps

| Segment / Topic | Timestamp | |------------------------------------------------------|-----------------| | Cultural Shifts in Ads, Sydney Sweeney Issue | 02:32–05:31 | | "Nazi propaganda" complaint, viral left reactions | 05:31–05:59 | | Male susceptibility to advertising, Victoria’s Secret| 05:59–08:00 | | Cultural Swing & Health Trends, Body Positivity | 08:00–11:35 | | Social norms (smoking, drinking, pot) | 13:14–15:11 | | Good Morning America segment critiques ad | 19:15–22:08 | | Beauty, uniformity, and control in political systems | 23:37–26:18 | | Abercrombie/American Eagle hiring anecdotes | 27:59–29:29 | | Strip club diversity example, inclusivity | 30:29–31:40 | | NYT piece on Multiracial Right, authenticity | 33:53–36:46 | | Mayor Pete’s deflections on trans sports | 36:40–38:53 | | NYT voter quote on Democrat disillusionment | 40:17–42:20 | | White women/woke politics/self-loathing | 43:09–44:23 | | Biology, beauty, and propaganda limits | 46:02–47:43 | | Tipping & attractiveness, humorous studies | 48:04–48:21 |

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7. Takeaways and Closing Thoughts

• Clay and Buck use the American Eagle/Sydney Sweeney controversy to highlight the cultural pendulum swinging away from “woke” radical inclusivity toward aspirational beauty and authenticity.
• The hosts argue that identity politics and attempts to flatten cultural standards are backfiring both culturally and politically, as core Democratic groups (especially nonwhite voters and men) shift allegiances or check out from the party altogether.
• They suggest that some elements of the progressive movement are self-defeating and disconnected from basic realities about biology and human behavior.
• Throughout, humor and self-deprecation keep the tone lively while also underscoring larger societal shifts.

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Notable Quotes (with Speakers and Timestamps)

• Clay: “One way that products sell themselves is by putting pretty girls in the product and deciding that people will want to buy products that pretty girls are trying to sell.” (04:30)
• Buck: “If everybody is physically beautiful, then, like, nobody's physically beautiful, right?” (11:07)
• Clay: “The phrase, you know, politics is downstream from culture, I think is 100% accurate.” (22:08)
• Buck: “Woke now is a very effective pejorative for left wing maniacs who are malcontents ... They live with a constant fear that somewhere someone else is having fun.” (19:59)
• Clay: “Do you know the most successful, inclusive of cosmetic diversity business in mankind history? Strip club. ... That’s the number one cosmetic diversity place where everybody makes more.” (30:29)
• Clay (on beauty and biology): "People still like hot chicks. It's going to continue. It's going to continue to be the case. ... I understand basic biology. I cosign here." (46:23–47:43)
• Clay (reading NYT voter): “A lot of black people have already heard the promises from Democrats and nothing was delivered.” (40:17)

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End of Summary

This episode is a pointed, humorous—and sometimes provocative—take on the fallout from shifting beauty standards, "woke" culture, and the evolving American political landscape. For listeners seeking clarity, candor, and a little irreverence, Clay and Buck deliver a comprehensive breakdown of why cultural debates matter and how they're influencing the future of both advertising and politics.

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And nothing in between. Fuel your [e-mail] Bold, reverent and occasionally random, The Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast starts now. We talked about this major cultural shift that has occurred where the idea that hey, I'm gonna put. I know, I know we talked about this some when it was happening because it was so crazy. But the idea that, for instance, Nike was gonna put a man who's pretending to be a woman in a sports bra and be like, you should go buy Nikes. And all of us look, kind of looked around like, this is crazy. And then the thing that really got popular was, hey, really obese people in spandex. Like, hey, you should wear spandex and be really happy with your body, even if you're £300. It was like, well, I, I don't know how I feel about all this. There's really a revolution, I would say, against those ads because by and large, they didn't work. And I talked about this on Friday. Buck, One of the best jobs I ever had, maybe the most fun job I ever had, was making $4.50 an hour working at the American Eagle Rivergate Mall, Goodlettsville, Tennessee. When I was in high school and American Eagle stock has been not good for much of the last five years. I went back and looked at it, it's a very popular retail chain. And they decided, hey, we've got to change our overall mojo. And they said, we're going to hire Sydney Sweeney. And Sydney Sweeney is now doing ads for American Eagle that I think it's fair to say are sexy in nature. And in general, it's going to shock some of you, I think.

[Buck Sexton]

How do you say it? It is fair to say it is a little, little sexy for Sydney Sweeney. Yes, yes.

[Clay Travis]

Well, some people don't know who Cindy Sweeney is, but, and I understand that in the audience, but the idea being that in general she's buxom. Buck would be a good word. Buxom. LAUGHTER Buxom. LAUGHS for sure that in general, one way that products sell themselves is by putting pretty girls in the product and deciding that people will want to buy products that pretty girls are trying to sell. And this has been a trend for a very, very long time. And so this ad is up and the, what I would call is the sort of fat nose ringed, pink haired contingent of the world out there is angry that brands are going back to good looking girls. And this has gone viral. One of these left wingers, I want to play this for you, Buck says that the American Eagle ad of Sydney Sweeney is Nazi propaganda.

[Arlene (left-wing liberal woman)]

Listen, should we be surprised that a.

[Clay Travis]

Company whose name is literally American Eagle is making fascist propaganda like this? Probably not, but it's still really shocking. Like a blond haired, blue eyed, white woman Is talking about her good genes like that is Nazi propaganda. Nazi propaganda. Not a cute girl in jeans talking about her good genes is Nazi propaganda according to the left. Now, I mentioned this, I think, on Friday. Buck, I don't know how you've ever been influenced by advertising involving attractive women. I think the most direct result ever. And my wife still makes fun of me about this. I watched the Victoria's Secret fashion calendar show, or whatever that thing's called. They do like a Christmas spectacular. I've heard they do like a Christmas spectacular. Bunch of girls in lingerie. I watched it, went out, bought like, 200 in lingerie for my wife, maybe the next day. I mean, I just went and bought everything. And I was like, I'm a stooge. But this worked on me. I'm going to go get everything. Boom, bring it back. All right, so I can't speak for all men, but in general, I would say that men are influenced by attractive women trying to get them to buy things. But Nazi propaganda. And the question I asked, and I would love to know a lot of this, are the same people who were putting fat women into spandex and saying, like, you're healthy, even though obviously if you're super obese, you're not healthy, like, you should lose weight? Um, are those the same people, do you think, making the ads now and they've just recognized that the cultural winds have shifted? Or do you think these companies fired the people who did such an awful job doing. I mean, Victoria's Secret's a perfect example of this. They were like, we're gonna do away with supermodels and just put our product on regular people. And people are like, this is not, you know, like, I don't want to know what I'm going to look like. I want to. I want to pretend that I'm going to look way better. Like, I don't buy. I don't buy a bathing suit and think, oh, I'm going to look as good as the guy who's in the bathing suit ad. But I definitely don't want to look like nobody's going to buy an ad. If I'm in the bathing suit, I'm in the bathing suit ad. Like, this is not a way to sell products.

[Buck Sexton]

I think that the people who were doing the ads before, in many cases, are the ones who now have shifted with the wind. That would be my.

[Clay Travis]

Just same people. They've just completely. They've no principles like that.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I mean, you see this with a lot of people in the. In the corporate, on the corporate side of things, they just, whichever way the wind is blowing is how they're gonna. As they're. How they're gonna go. And, and I think that this was pretty inevitable. There is a part of this as well that maybe doesn't get as much attention or focus, but the whole body positivity thing. Yeah. As people become more and more health focused and I really mean that in the broadest term health focused. But learn more about this stuff and also as the tools to improve your health dramatically. Not to wait until you are sick, not to, you know, this is not about, you know, the thing you take when you already have the condition so much as it is ways to get yourself into a better day to day health and have more energy and all this. The most notable One is the GLP1s. I mean this is a revolution in health. I know lots of people who have taken them with, you know, I'm not doing an ad for them right now, but with incredible results. I am personally a believer in peptides for the future, for longevity for a whole range. Now peptides, a branch chain amino acid. That's a whole range of things but this whole range. What I'm saying is the idea that you could be morbidly obese and should be proud of that is very similar to the idea that you could be so anorexic that your, you know, your central nervous system could shut down and people would be like oh yeah, look at how skinny you are. Right. I mean this, it's deeply unhealthy. And more and more people I think have realized this. I don't mean it's unhealthy like you don't look sexy in a bikini. That's a whole other universe of, of thinking or a whole other perspective on it. It is. You are heading toward a shortened lifespan, less mobility, less energy, poor sleep, type 2 diabetes, heart, all this stuff. So I think body positivity more is. Has also clay run into not just the cultural pushback on this madness, but also science. Yeah, the science you could say. I think people are seeing this more and more. It's also why I would note and this is a really positive thing, binge drinking in the culture has really gone down substantially. There's a lot of data to support this. Drinking in general is on a decline. You know, excessive drinking, I'm not talking about having a glass of wine or two with dinner, but drinking as a form of almost sport to excess because.

[Clay Travis]

It is horrible for you.

[Buck Sexton]

And if you want to be healthy and you Want to feel good. Drinking so much that you wake up the next day with a hangover on a regular basis is essentially throwing a whole. It's throwing a wrench into all of your plans. So I think that this is a pretty seismic shift. And yes, hot chicks are a part of it. That is also true. There's going to be more of a focus on the aspirational side of beauty. Because if everybody is physically beautiful, then, like, nobody's physically beautiful, right? I mean, we're all doing the best.

[Clay Travis]

With what we got.

[Buck Sexton]

Very few of us win the genetics lottery the way that the Victoria's Secret models do. But that doesn't mean that we all just give up and, you know, decide that we're going to go the Rosie o' DONNELL route. You know, it can be a little more, you can put a little more thought into your, into your health, into your appearance, into all of those things.

[Clay Travis]

Aspiring to be healthier and stronger and all of those things, I would argue, is one of the most important things that young men and young women can be taught. And it doesn't mean that you're going to, to buck's point, look like a Victoria's Secret supermodel if you're a woman, or you're going to look like Superman if you're a guy. But getting in the gym and trying to get stronger is a really good thing. And I do think that younger people are cognizant of this. And there are some negatives, because I'm raising three young boys, there are some negatives I think that their society is embracing that are different than prior generations. You know, there is a benefit to taking risk. A lot of kids today, for instance, don't want to get driver's license. They're happy to just stay on their phones as opposed to going out on dates or going out. You know, I think that's having an impact across the board. But it is true. Like, my kids, when they see someone smoking a cigarette, they react like someone is shooting. They, as young kids, they would react like someone was shooting up heroin. I grew up in an era when somebody's mom always was smoking cigarettes in the car with the windows all rolled up. And, and, and, you know, you were always, like, trying to just get a breath and it's cold outside and, you know, the whole car is just filled with smoke. Heck, I remember, you know, this certainly remember when every bar you went to, there was just a cloud of smoke everywhere. Remember when they had smoking sections in restaurants? And that was a laugh because the smoke just went Everywhere you go into a bar now and there's nobody smoking. I mean, there are a lot of decisions that have been made that I think are beneficial. And I think to your point, young kids are not using drugs now. One downside is they're actually using marijuana, which is much stronger at levels that are somewhat high and that is maybe more destructive than using alcohol would be on some levels because the marijuana kids are using today is much stronger than the marijuana that would have existed 25 or 30 years ago. And our friend Alex Berenson has wrote a whole piece about how destructive that can be. I think we kind of sold the idea that pot is not dangerous and the frequent use of pot is actually incredibly dangerous. So there's one of the areas of.

[Buck Sexton]

Public policy where I will admit I was, I was because I think it's very rare for me to be bamboozled. But on the. It's no big deal weed, legalize it, no big problem. I have, I am very much in the other direction. I don't think people should obviously get locked up or something for smoking weed. But this notion that we should just allow it, it's everywhere. It's a, it's a total mess in New York City now. You walk down the street, I'm walking down the street with my baby and people are blowing marijuana smoke in our faces. All. It's disgusting.

[Clay Travis]

It's disgusting now. It's, it feels to me almost like marijuana smoking is more common than cigarette smoking now. Yeah, we've just replaced.

[Buck Sexton]

I smell marijuana in New York City. I was just there more frequently than I smell cigarette smoke. That is a true statement walking around midtown Manhattan and, and it is not harmless. It is very bad for your mental health. There's a lot of stuff. But we were all, we were lied. We were told it was all about getting people, you know, treatment for their glaucoma to help with their pain. It was all going to be. It was going to pay for all the schools, right? The no, because when you tax a lot of weed is so easy to make or so easy to grow rather that when you tax it heavily, you just. The black market just grows even more because people want to just get it. They don't want to pay these, these higher prices. So.

[Clay Travis]

Well, positive is good looking advertisements are back which I think is just a repudiation of the woke era.

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Sunday hang with Clay and Buck. I did not think that this story would to have the legs or that it would be a sign of continued cultural rot inside of the Democrat party and much of the legacy media. But we talked about this last week. American Eagle, the store that had the great sense to employ a teenage Clay Travis to help ensure that they could sell as many of their clothes as possible, has been on hard times of late. It is a sort of, I would say, teen ish retail brand. People in their teens and their twenties would be, I would imagine, still the target audience that would typically wear these clothes. And so they made the decision, hey, we need to kind of cut through the noise and so we're going to hire Sydney Sweeney as our new spokesperson. And the. The outrage over a blonde, blue eyed white girl who is pretty being hired to sell tank tops and jeans has frankly staggered me this morning. If you were happening to watch Good Morning America, this is ABC's Morning News show, Disney owned. This is the. I want to play this. I think we've got the totality of it. This is the story that they aired saying the Sydney Sweeney ad is actually a direct recall for eugenics and for Nazism. This is real. This is what you would have heard this morning if you were drinking your morning coffee, getting your kids ready for the start of the day on Good Morning America. Play it.

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We begin with the backlash of our new ad campaign featuring actress Sidney Sweeney.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, the ads are for American Eagle and the tagline is Sydney Sweeney has great genes. Now, in one ad, the blonde hair, blue eyed actress talks about jeans, as.

[Buck Sexton]

In DNA being passed in down from her parents.

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The play on words is being compared to Nazi propaganda with racial undertones.

[Arlene (left-wing liberal woman)]

The pun good genes activates a troubling.

[Clay Travis]

Historical associations for this country. The American eugenics movement in its prime.

[Arlene (left-wing liberal woman)]

Between like 1900 and 1940, weaponized the.

[Clay Travis]

Idea of good genes just to justify white supremacism. This is real.

[Buck Sexton]

Make this up. You cannot make this stuff up. Now we're at a place in American culture where this is actually really helpful though, because it shows you how insane the woke left. And the good news is, you know, woke used to be a term clay that they would throw around and they were proud of it, right? Like, yeah, I'm woke. You know, it was supposed to be a good thing. We have successfully flipped this around such that woke now is a very effective pejorative for left wing maniacs who are malcontents, who have. Who have no fun, who. They live with a constant fear that somewhere someone else is having fun. They got to stop that right away. No joy allowed. Only what the collective tells you. That's what's. That's what you can say. That's what you can celebrate. Now we're at a point where hot chicks who are buxom are problematic. Now we're at a point where a play on words about genes. Is it really a shock to any of these anchors that beauty is overwhelmingly genetic? This is actually, you know, clay and I can sit here. I wish I was, you know, six' six with a six pack, but I am not. And some of the people who are aren't that way because they are so fastidious in their workout routines, but they have Great genetics. This is just the truth. This is reality. Professional athletes want you to believe that they worked so much harder than everybody else. You know, the difference in a D3 athlete and like a, you know, professional level athlete overwhelmingly is genes. How gifted were they naturally, by God's hand, in that sport? It's not effort. Okay? This is where people talk about God given talent or talent on loan from God, for example. Some people are just really good at things and they're very lucky. Some people are just very beautiful physically appealing. And that has actually been a pretty. I know there have been variations in it, but that standard has been somewhat consistent, having to do with symmetry and health markers for a very long time. Hot blonde chicks with boobs not allowed to be in ads anymore. This is where we are. It's Nazism. It's Nazism.

[Clay Travis]

Yes. I mean, this is. I think it's important. And some of you can say, well, why should I care about something like this? Cultural battles matter, and fighting them matters. And you might say, well, I care way more about what the corporate tax rate is than what the decisions are of major corporations when it comes to how they spend ad dollars. I get it. I would argue they're directly connected. And the phrase, you know, politics is downstream from culture, I think is 100% accurate. And so I think if you win cultural battles, you win political battles. Some of you may disagree with that. I think it's 100% true based on everything that I've seen. And I'm talking to you as a guy who started off in the world of sports, who just wanted to argue about which quarterback was better, and suddenly heard, oh, you can't make that argument because the quarterback's a different race. And the reason you're being, you know, dismissive of Jamarcus Russell is because he's a black quarterback. Maybe he just stinks. Have you. Have you considered that? Maybe you just look at the objective performance and all sports fans care about is whether somebody is a part of the meritocracy and excellent, which is the goal of sports. And when they try to restrain excellence and the meritocracy and drag us all down into the muck of averageness, to me, that is a form of communism. And I think it's intentional that I don't think that it's a form of taking away beauty.

[Buck Sexton]

Control. If you want a society that you. You'll notice something in countries where the state has absolute control. And there are places today, North Korea, China, there are plenty of places where the state exercises absolute control. Do you know what you overwhelmingly have as well? Uniformity and a sameness, even if it's not true.

[Clay Travis]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

But a sameness that is enforced upon the people, even to the point of. I mean, the Soviets, for example, were very into. People were dressing in a way that women were desexualized. They were supposed to be factory workers, too, just like the men. You know, you are cogs in a machine, a machine that the state has full control over, because the celebration of excellence, of beauty, of joy, of laughter, of any of these things that break from the control of the state is inherently a minor rebellion against their control. So if you want to control people, you demoralize them, you undermine them, you make them feel or make them act as though they're all the same. There's nothing to aspire to. You take what the state gives you. You are what the state says you are. And now, Clay, look at some of the ads they were running.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

With ugly fat people selling clothing. Look, you know, we're sitting here, you and I get to do a job. I truly mean this. The fact that we make a living doing radio every day is a blessing from God and this audience and the legacy of Rush. It is incredible that we get to do this. And you and I both had jobs where people could tell us, show up at this time, wear this clothing, do what I say. So, you know, we've been on different sides of this. I don't get to be a Runway model.

[Clay Travis]

Yes, That's. You know, like, if you and I. If you and I were in charge of selling male underwear, it would be the worst selling male underwear of all time. Like, if they were like, hey, we want to take you guys shirtless, posing and underwear.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I was gonna say, I think we could sell underwear. Well, we would hire people like Sydney Sweeney to sell it. But you're saying if we were the.

[Clay Travis]

If we were the face of your underwear brand.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

It would be like, everybody would look at it and be like, I don't want to look like those guys. I mean, clothing is aspirational. You look at any model. By and large, throughout the history of retail, people want to see better looking people than them in there. But here's the interesting thing about.

[Buck Sexton]

In ancient Greece, how many. How many people did you see walking around? I mean, rather, how many statues do you see when you go into, like, the Metropolitan Museum of Art of morbidly obese people with, like, saggy skin everywhere?

[Clay Travis]

Never.

[Buck Sexton]

Not a lot.

[Clay Travis]

Didn't exist. It didn't exist. And look, here is the other thing about that segment. And again, I do think it's important because let's just say you're a normal person. You're a normal person making breakfast in the morning. Good Morning America is not hard news. They are trying to send a message to American Eagle. You went too white. You went too pretty in the girl that you picked. That is not inclusive enough. And think about the argument that's being made when you look, first of all, it's a frigging pun, right? Good genes, genes. J E A N S and jeans. G E N E S. Right? It is a pun which is very common in advertising. But what they're saying is, if you take it literally, white people are not allowed to have good genes because the Nazis once existed. So I like to think maybe I'm wrong, that my boys have good Genesis because of me and their mom. They got half their mom, way better jeans than me, by the way, especially in the looks department. And hopefully they look like her more than they do me. And they got half of me. Right. I like to think that would mean that my boys have good genes. Does that mean that I'm a Nazi sympathizer? That I would say that. Buck, you've got a baby boy. They got half you. They got half your wife. Carrie, I bet you would like to think that your son has good genes. Are you not allowed to say that? Only white people are not allowed to say that they hope their kids have good genes or that a really pretty woman has good genes. Like that's good for her mom and dad, right? I mean, like, we want there to be beautiful people.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, I think about this. I actually watched the. The Abercrombie. And of course, now we're going to hear that Clay also worked at Abercrombie. So did my wife. So they were only. They were only hiring the hotties. Apparently, Clay was a mallusion in day.

[Clay Travis]

Very loose standard. They did make me cut my facial hair. I don't know if they still have that rule, but you were not allowed to have facial hair. Pentagon City. Pentagon City. For those of you in the D.C. area, I worked at the Pentagon City Mall, Northern Virginia. That's like.

[Buck Sexton]

That's a little bit. I'm just gonna tell you, Clay, it's a little grading on a curve there. Cause like DC area, you weren't working at like the Nashville Abercrombie. You were the DC Abercrombie. DC's Hollywood for ugly people. I'm just saying that's what they.

[Clay Travis]

I think that's true, by the way. I'LL tell you this, there's also a lot of short people on the East Coast. Every time I walk around, I get advantages. Tall, privilege. There's a lot of really short dudes. I know you took advantage of this in New York City. Every time I walk around New York City, I'm like, this is the shortest dude in America town. You ever notice this? Like go to New York City, it is the shortest group of guys. You're six feet tall in New York City. The world is your oyster. It is. I'm telling you. Never noticed.

[Buck Sexton]

I never noticed. I never noticed this.

[Clay Travis]

Every time I go into a bar in New York City, I am the tallest guy there.

[Buck Sexton]

You wear, you wear like basically cowboy boots with six inch heels on them though. I mean like those things give you.

[Clay Travis]

Don't run, don't run to Santa's. Me, I am 6 foot, 6 foot 1, 85. I wear flip flops a lot of the time and flip flops. I'm taller than most of the men in New York City.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, back to the beauty standard thing here for a second. I think it's worth noting as well. People say, oh, this is about inclusivity. And I think to myself, I go, hold on a second. No, no, no. This wasn't about, hey, we need, you know, you know who's one of the biggest supermodels in the world in the 90s. Naomi Campbell, for example. Right, Naomi Campbell. A black woman, stunningly beautiful woman. Like nobody would ever, you know, in the sort of beauty assessing world, incredibly beautiful woman. It wasn't, we need more people, we need more hot Asian and black. And you know that I'd be like, look, you're appealing to different. They're all beautiful, they're all very, very good looking. It was, we need, I don't know what else to say, fat and ugly people in general to be selling our clothing. So it wasn't, you know, it wasn't inclusivity in the sense of, you know, diversity. Like, like we want different kinds of beauty. It was, we don't want beauty anymore. We want something else, which is a whole other thing.

[Clay Travis]

This is my argument that eventually everybody's going to come around to and in the meantime they've been trying to cancel me for it for years. Do you know the most successful, inclusive of cosmetic diversity business in mankind history? Strip club. I'm just saying, oh my God, everybody looks the same. Bucks getting nervous. Everybody looks the same in the strip club. All blonde hair, blue eyed girls. They all make less money. You got to have Asian you got to have black, you got to have brown hair, you got to have tall, short. Every type of guy finds girls different attractiveness. The number one business in America where cosmetic diversity actually makes everybody more money is the strip club. There's not very many of those and I've never heard a politician make that argument. Probably just because they're not as smart as me.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay. Oh, I defer to Clay. I defer to Clay on this one entirely. And that's, that's, that was Clay Travis.

[Clay Travis]

Analysis everybody, By the way, 100% true. We got guys who run strip clubs, I bet listening right now, and they're just like Clay Travis is brilliant. I'm telling you, that's the number one cosmetic diversity place where everybody makes more.

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Chalk Natural supplements for guys, gals and nothing in between. Fuel your [e-mail] Sundays with Clay and Bak something that you may have never heard me say in four years on this show. I am going to give some praise to the New York Times the Sunday I Swear and I'm an old man. So for those of you watching me on video, I am holding a my copy of the Sunday print edition of the New York Times and there is an article in there by someone named Daniel Martinez Hosong and I probably have not pronounced all of that name correct. Pretty good about Daniel Martinez. No idea how Ho Song is supposed to be pronounced, but his article is entitled Inside the Rise of the Multiracial Right and it goes into how white, black, Asian and Hispanic voters have overwhelmingly moved in the direction of Trump. And to their credit, they have interviews with black voters in Milwaukee, Asian voters in San Francisco, and Hispanic voters on the border in Texas. All of them used to vote Democrat and they now have moved on to vote for Trump and be supportive of him. And I was thinking about this when the Wall Street Journal also over the weekend had a big piece of analyzing larger political trends and issues and they found the Democrat Party to be the least popular in the history of their poll 35 year low. And I was thinking about that the rise of black, Hispanic and Asian Trump voters. I bet a lot of you are out there listening who certainly were not Trump voters in 2016 of a variety of different backgrounds, but were by 2024. And I was thinking about how to a large extent I think it just comes down to authenticity. And Mayor Pete, who we talked about, actually has zero percent support among black voters. Zero percent was interviewed recently and he was asked a very straightforward question. And to me this is why Democrats have lost men and have lost a lot of Asian, black and Hispanic support. They can't answer questions honestly. And I want you to listen to this. Mayor Pete has asked a very simple question. Should men be allowed to compete in women's sports? I want you to listen to his answer play I believe it's cut 26.

[Buck Sexton]

When President Trump says something like no boys and girls sports, which is a.

[Clay Travis]

Phrase that they use, it sounds like.

[Buck Sexton]

You'Re not Signing on to that.

[Clay Travis]

I think that chess is different from weightlifting, and weightlifting is different from volleyball. And, you know, middle school is different from the Olympics. So that's exactly why I think that.

[Buck Sexton]

We shouldn't be grandstanding on this. As politicians, we should be empowering communities and organizations and schools to make the right decisions. Keep it going, Pete. I love it. Keep. Keep speaking nonsense. Keep telling people things that make them immediately think you can't answer a straightforward question. You dance in circles because you think you're smarter than all of us and you are not.

[Clay Travis]

I. How about starting with I think chess is different than weightlifting. Yeah. I don't. I don't hear a lot of people say girls and boys shouldn't be able to compete in chess. In fact, they do compete all of the time. And so there is no. Yes, yes. If you sit at a board and play a board game, I also think boys and girls should be able to play who sunk the Battleship and Clue and. And Monopoly together. Yes. I don't think that boys being bigger, stronger and faster implicates who passes go first. But I do think that that clip that we just played is representative of why Democrats are lost in the wilderness. Because they know that they're on the wrong side of issues. And instead of directly addressing a question like he was asked there, they try and filibuster. And to your point, Buck try to answer as if they are so much smarter than everybody else who just wants to get an opinion. And I think this is why. One reason Mayor Pete is at 0% support among black people, because in addition to the fact that he's a gay white guy, which probably doesn't help him, he's also very faculty classroom, which is why I think white educated voters like him, because they think of him as the smart philosophy professor at place you went to school or Swarthmore or someplace like that. But they don't actually connect with average people going through average daily life.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. This is why the Democrats have the problems they do right now. Connecting. Because the people who are putting themselves forward as the leaders of their party are smug and disingenuous. I think. I think it is apparent that they have a real branding issue going forward. Because as much as Joe Biden was a clown, a jerk, and obviously had dementia for the four years of his presidency, he used to understand the game, the grip and grin, the say whatever, the make people think you care about them just enough for them to pull the lever for you. Like Joe Biden got that. You know, that was his whole life was just BSing people into pretending that he cares about or pretending that he cares about them so they'll vote for him. There are all these other Democrats now who people like Gavin Newsom. No one thinks Gavin Newsom cares about them. Pete Buttigieg. Pete Buttigieg doesn't make. He makes you think that he thinks he's smarter than you. And that's the whole game with him, is that, you know, vote for me because I'm so brilliant. That doesn't connect with people. And the only people they have who connect are the socialists who just go right to the we're a bunch of malcontents. We're angry at other people who are more successful than us, which is the AOC Bernie wing of their party. But they don't have that Clintonian, I'll feel your pain like they don't have that.

[Clay Travis]

Here is one that I think is good. Buck. This is from the New York Times, from a voter in Milwaukee. This guy's name is Orlando Owens. Listen to this, everybody out there and I want you to think about just this. This description. He says, at my first Democrat meeting, two themes had me reconsider everything. The first was we have to help the poor black men and women because the white man is holding them down. This is the first. This is a black guy, by the way. This is the first time I hear about this white savior complex from white liberals. Then they said we have to fight for our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters. We have to do this or we're racist or bigots or homophobes. If we don't agree with you. When you get your food stamp review, you have to go give shot records, school records, blood type. You almost have to get absolutely naked to get $50. But you have people coming to this country who have no documentation, who are staying in hotels for two years for free. How's that? Right? A lot of black people have already heard the promises from Democrats and nothing was delivered. That guy, 51 year old voter from Milwaukee is more honest in that answer than Mayor Pete, who wants to be the President of the United States and is trying to persuade voters to support him. It's a fundamental inauthenticity that I think has really riven through male voters. Now here's the crazy thing, Buck, we talked about to start the show off the Sydney Sweeney situation. Do you know the foremost critics right now of this American eagle, Pretty girl. Advertisement White women, white women are losing their minds on social media over the fact that Sydney Sweeney, who is also a white woman, is in Some way the front of the Democrat party. I mean, sorry, in front of the front face of America.

[Buck Sexton]

They're like cult members who now have the broader society challenging their fundamental beliefs. And the fundamental belief of being in the lib cult is that whiteness or just being white must always be contained, demeaned, undermined, and it cannot, you cannot celebrate. And can I just also point out it particularly bothers them that it's a white woman with blonde hair and blue eyes. This is like, they're specifically. That is what really upsets them. To which I just sit here and say, what? Like these people are psychos. What is wrong with them? You know, there's so. So you're supposed to be particularly ashamed of yourself if you have blonde hair and blue eyes, by the way. It's very rare genetically, globally to have that. And yet we're supposed to think that this is some kind of. What were they saying? It's a. A dog whistle for Nazism or something.

[Clay Travis]

They're insane. Well, it's straight Nazism according to Good Morning America. But I think this is such a fascinating question for people out there, and maybe you can think of it. Has there ever been a group of people that have hated themselves for things that they cannot choose that is now the backbone of an entire political party? The Democrat party basically exists for liberal white women. That is the foundation. They are driving every decision that is made. The toxic nature of the woke mind virus gets them, particularly in a way where everybody else, it's like, has gotten. Become aware of how broken this worldview is. Except liberal white women are now doubling and tripling and quadrupling down. Like my favorite clip that we probably have played in the past year, that white woman who went to go buy the champagne or whatever it was to celebrate the fact that women were showing up to vote. Kamala. And she lectured the guy working in the liquor store about it. We need to pull that back.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm sorry, Clay. You mean the political analyst who was telling us that the women of America will have their voices heard in this election?

[Clay Travis]

I mean, yes. Like we. Maybe we can play that at the end of the show for people who have forgotten this, but what does it say that the Democrat party is basically being led to 35 year lows in popularity by almost entirely following the whims and emotional responses of young white women who have decided they hate other young white women for being pretty, blonde and having blue eyes. I don't know that there is a historical analogy to this. It's one thing to be arguing, hey, I'm proud of where I'm from, I'm proud of my race or I'm proud of my ethnicity or I'm proud, whatever it is, that's very common. Have we ever seen someone self flagellate like this because of immutable characteristics that they themselves did not choose? Like nobody choose it. Well, I know you can change your hair color now and, and things like that, but nobody chooses to be a gender or sane people do not choose to be a gender or race. Right. They're an immutable characteristic. We are born as we are. I'm not sure we've ever seen anything like this. And I do think it's worth grappling with to try to comprehend how we got here and why guys like this Milwaukee black guy who I just quoted from the New York Times are looking around and saying, man, this is crazy. This is not the Democrat party I grew up with.

[Buck Sexton]

There's also a fighting against biology that is going on here with the anti Sydney Sweeney stuff, which is men are going to like and by the way, there will be. Women will aspire toward female beauty and men will be drawn toward female beauty no matter what the libs and the media and the propaganda machinery says.

[Clay Travis]

That's right. It's basic biology.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. They can spend the rest of their lives telling us that morbid obesity is the most sexy thing in the world and it is not going to change the desire that men have for healthy, attractive females. It's just not going to happen. And this is where the left, because they believe in the government in place of God and the total control of government, that would make some kind of utopia. They think that they can change even the most basic parts of our, of our humanity and of our wiring and they can't. And this is. You see this with the trans debate too. It's like, that's a woman. No, it's not. You can tell me all day that the guy who says he's a woman. It's just not going to happen. I'm not going to sit here and go, ok, yeah, you're right, that's a woman. They can try. They can try. There's no level of, of persuasion. And then it's just brute force, which is what they really started to do. Try. Say it's a woman or you lose your job. Say it's a woman or will ruin your life, your reputation, kick you off the Internet, debank you right. That's just brute force. And that is what the left in the Biden years decided to go all in on, on a number of these issues. So, yeah, people still like hot chicks. It's going to continue. It's going to continue to be the case. Yeah, I know. Clay knows. He knows.

[Clay Travis]

Trust me. I'm sold.

[Buck Sexton]

He's sold. Yeah, he's not.

[Clay Travis]

I understand basic biology. I cosign here Jerry from New York on word. Sorry to interrupt Clay on his high horse with his six inch cowboy boots, but interesting study in regard to beauty and advertising.

[Buck Sexton]

Everything else.

[Clay Travis]

They did a study on tipping and.

[Buck Sexton]

Women with larger boobs.

[Clay Travis]

Waitresses got more bigger tips from men.

[Buck Sexton]

No shock, but what they were shocked.

[Clay Travis]

By was women tip women with larger boobs as well. Figured get in.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay's favorite topic.

[Clay Travis]

I, I did not know that. The men's side obviously does not surprise me at all. Um, you know, I bet you would find that attractive waitresses make more money in tips from men regardless of who the men are. But women like boobs too. That doesn't shock me. Ee Sam in Toledo, what you got for us?

[Buck Sexton]

So let me get this straight, because she referenced having good genes as far.

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[Buck Sexton]

That is something to do with a Nazi.

[Clay Travis]

I've got good genes.

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[Clay Travis]

Yes, you're a Nazi if you have good genes. For those of you who missed it, Good morning America, because Sydney Sweeney references her good genes in a clear pun intended to reference both her genes, J E N A s and her genes, G E N e s. It has set left wingers off the. Off the reservation. Let's play our favorite left wing liberal woman, Arlene, celebrating Kamala's big win. This is a perfect way to end the show.

[Arlene (left-wing liberal woman)]

We're closing in on almost 5pm Eastern Time and I've been tracking everything that's been going on across the country today. And my most important encounter was when I went out to get my champagne. I was talking to the guy in the store, of course, asking him did he vote? And he said he did early voting and he asked me if I early voted. And he asked me, you know, why I was getting the champagne. And I said, because I'm going to be toasting Madam President tonight. And he just looked at me with kind of like a smirk on his face. And I said, you know, she's. She's going to win this, right? He says, oh, well, it's very, very close. And I said, no, it's not. He says, well, what do you mean? I said, no, it's not. The women of America are making their voices heard. Reproductive rights is what it all comes down to.

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