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Team 47 with Clay and Buck starts now.
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But right now I got Miranda Devine breaking in here with a phone call and she's making some time for us. She's very busy right now because she is right in the midst of these revelations about Thomas Crooks, the would be assassin of Donald Trump. Miranda, your piece up in the New York Post. I think we've got a cross post@clayandbuck.com it is very important. Let's start with this. How sure are we, how solid are we that this stuff about Crooks right now is true that has been found online? The YouTube accounts like go through a little bit of the verification of that with us.
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Yeah, sure. This is from a source who is obviously very tech savvy and has basically used open source searching of web archives using some tools that private investigators have, but not using law enforcement tools. And you know, a day after Butler YouTube for instance, shut down Thomas Crooks account, but my source managed to find old messages from there. Now this was available to the FBI because we know that the deputy director, Paul Bate, back in July of last year, a week, two weeks after the Butler event, he testified to Congress about this account with more than 700 comments which we have, which our source gave us. And so, you know, it's pretty straightforward. Our source found 17 online accounts that Thomas Crooks had signed up to using his own name, using a phone number of Thomas Crooks that was publicly available and his email addresses that connected to all these accounts. So he's cross checked it and is very satisfied that this is the Thomas Crooks where he wasn't 100% sure. He said so, but he used these, they're not really aliases, but they're sort of handles cooks used on other social media like gab and X. He used Epic Microwave. That's also what he used on a site called DeviantArt. The only time he used an actual alias to sign up for an account was with PayPal. And he used the name Rod Swanson, which is the name of an FBI agent who. A former FBI agent from Vegas who was peripherally involved in the Las Vegas, you know, mysterious mass shooting. I've talked to him, knows nothing about it, doesn't have a PayPal account, never heard, never, never interacted with Thomas Crooks, and doesn't even know how to set up a PayPal account. But what he did tell me, because he's a very senior former FBI guy, very seasoned, he said it is inconceivable that a kid with this kind of online communications and sort of violent rhetoric would not have been visited or be on the radar of the FBI. So, you know, other FBI people tell me the same thing. Some one of them suggested that because August 2020 was when Thomas was at his peak. Violent rhetoric, talking about assassinating political leaders and assassinating military, using AR15s, which was similar to the gun that he used. And just after that, he goes dark. He just disappears off all of these platforms. You just. He's a ghost. But Until August of 2020, he's very prolific. And you can see the trajectory of how he goes from, you know, age sort of 15, 16, very pro Trump, you know, like calling him the ultimate patriot, very anti Democrats, anti the squad, anti Ilhan Omar. And then something happens to him in January 2020, in the space of two months, he's gone from rabidly pro Trump, he goes to rabidly anti Trump. He's got flipped 180 degrees. And then his rhetoric gets more and more violent and disturbing and, you know, people. It was so bad that there were people online interacting him with him who were tagging the FBI and saying to him, hey, you know, you're pretty dumb. Like, the way you're talking openly now, it's good because now law enforcement knows where to find you. So it's hard to believe the FBI didn't have him in their sight. But Christopher Wray, a week after Butler, testified to Congress that they had done a search of their database and found nothing before Butler. So that doesn't necessarily mean that they didn't have any interaction. And I think Christopher Wray knew exactly what he was doing when he phrased it in that way, because I know that during my Biden research that there was interactions with whistleblowers about the Biden family, influence peddling, corruption. And that was not visible to any average FBI agen looking in the database. It was hidden away deliberately by certain rogue FBI agents in a place where it could only be found by people who needed to know.
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So there's so much here, Miranda, I want, I think it's so important everyone knows these details because it's hard to believe, that's one way of putting it, that all this was out there and that as you've, as you said from even FBI sources of yours, that this would not have been on the FBI's radar. But an even like lesser but also equally hard to believe component of this to me seems to be that the FBI didn't find this stuff. Like why, how is it possible that your person, your source was able to find this online but the FBI wasn't able to? Right. There's the possibility of being on the radar before the shooting and the, and possible meeting with law enforcement. You've established that. But how is it that we didn't know about this before? Is the FBI, are we to be told that they're that incompetent? That is just, it's mind blowing.
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No, I have no reason to think that the FBI isn't fully aware of this and much more. I mean, you know, it would be ridiculous to think that they hadn't uncovered this. And in fact Paul Abate, the deputy director under Wray, did testify that they had this account with more than 700, same as the YouTube account. So I assume they have all of this and much more. The question is why haven't they been more forthcoming, particularly since Trump took over by. When I contacted the FBI about this story and asked them a number of questions, including I think the most important question. Did you have any interactions with Thomas Crooks before Butler? Did anyone tip you off about Thomas Crook? You know, did you investigate him? Did you knock on his door? That's what I'm told. They should have knocked on his door. Did you do that? What?
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What?
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The answer I get from Cash Patel's FBI no comment. That's it. So I don't understand it. And you know, someone else said to me, well, maybe it was the Secret service because in August 2020 Donald Trump was president. So they have would be the primary agency that would go and knock on a door if there's a threat to one of their protectives. But the Secret Service gave me a better response when I asked them and they said basically that this, in this would be something the FBI would do that even if they, they said they have no record of crooks. They said now. But in any case this is an FBI responsibility. So I don't even think it's as simple as for between the Cracks between two agencies. The FBI knows a lot. They have to know a lot. Just how much I don't know and.
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When can I jump in with there's something that we didn't know, or at least it wasn't reported until this week that this guy used they them pronouns and was like interested in furries and had brought into the gender madness. How could that not have been brought forward if the FBI was operating in good faith and had access to this information?
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Yes, I mean, it's very slim, I have to emphasize that. But like Tyler Robinson, the alleged assassin of Charlie Kirk, there is a connection to this sexual fetish called furries, which is people dressing up as animals or, you know, enjoying cartoon animal humanized figures having sex or being in sexual positions. So Thomas Crookes, he's not shared any furry stuff or talked about it, but he was frequenting and had two accounts on a site called DeviantArt, which is a, the major sort of furry hub online. Furry hub. And it's sort of for the furry community. And he doesn't share anything like that. He does share this sort of bizarre image of a very muscle bound, sort of Sylvester Stallone sort of masculine body with a female head on top of it with a puny little guy next to it that looks like him, that sort of in a prostate. They're not dressed. They're dressed in their underwear. So that's one. And then other than that sort of cartoon characters on this platform that are violent, shooting each other in the head and so on.
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Right. So I mean, he's clear, he's clearly a sicko. What about the they them pronoun stuff?
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And he uses they them pronouns on deviant art. That's the first time we've seen that. So clearly some sort of gender confusion or exploring gender identity again, I mean, that's disturbing and needs to be explored because we've had so many school shooters. Tyler Robinson, also in that vein. His, his living lover. So I think it's pertinent and I don't think it's enough for Keshe Patel to say, oh, he was a lone actor, forget about it. I mean, if there's a pattern, we need to know about it. Ron Johnson, it's not just me as a journalist or Tucker Carlson who also did an episode on this last week with the same source. It's also Ron Johnson, the senator whose job is oversight of the FBI. And he has been asking since day one for a whole lot of information, including, you know, camera forensics, autopsy, other documents, and getting stonewalled and even under Trump's FBI, he had to. Ron Johnson was very angry about the fact that in July, on the one year anniversary of Butler, he had to subpoena Cash Patel for the documents that he's been asking for.
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So, you know, we will, we will have a team. Let's, let's get Ron John. He may be listening right now. Let's get Senator Johnson on here because I want to talk to him about this as well. Because, because we need to continue to follow this and push for this. Miranda, this is all so important. And everyone should go read Miranda's piece at the New York Post. Also her podcast, Pod Force One. Go. Yeah, yep, go, go. Check out her podcast before, before we let you go, though, I know you got a whole bunch of hits today. Tell me. I want to let you react to this honestly. You know, Clay and I really appreciate your work and we appreciate you as a person. Hunter Biden is a jerk. You were always, while you reported on him, you would always say, look, he's kind of a sad guy and like, you know, he might actually, you know, you always had some, when you would talk to us about this on the air, some degree of sympathy for the guy because I think you're just a nice person. I had to play this because I want you to react. Hunter Biden here said mean things about you, and Clay and I are ready to fight him. Play 16.
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There's no ethics in what, you know, like someone as horrendously ugly as Miranda Devine physically.
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And, and in terms of her, in terms of her ethics, it does.
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I mean, she is, you know, a. And then, and, and, and that goes for, you know, you know, I mean, Daily Mail and, you know, but I mean, they're whores. I mean, they're whores for money. And, you know, she does it because she makes money. And you know, when, when she goes to sleep at night, I'm sure she sleeps just fine. But, you know, I don't know anybody that's going to be mourning her when she's gone. I think person.
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Well, we appreciate you. Everything you said is a lie and he's a disgusting piece of trash. I just. Do you feel like, oh, man, you were too nice to this guy? He's a horrible human being. He truly is.
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I still had the same impression of him that I've always had. He's a broken human being and look, he's lashing out. Notice that in all his podcasts, he never refutes a word I said and what I've written and What I found, even though he keeps up the pretense through his lawyer, Abby Lowell, that he doesn't know anything about the laptop. It's not his laptop. Or maybe it was his laptop. It was stolen. He never refutes any of it. The millions of dollars, the fact that he traded on his father's name, the fact that his father was involved in getting him clients, and then he put him on the speakerphone, all that corruption during Joe Biden's vice presidency to enrich his family. He doesn't. He doesn't go into any of that and try and defend himself. He just attacks my appearance and hilariously calls me a whore. So, I mean, you know, it's ridiculous and I think I just ignore it.
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I mean, I mean, he's, He's.
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He should.
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He should be in prison. As we all know, he should be serving a lengthy federal sentence in prison. But because of daddy, he's not. But I just. You know, Miranda, I think there were a lot of people on the right who, you know, they're all, he's an addict. And they try to give some sympathy. I think what you saw here, he's a disgusting human being. And I. And I thought that all along. So, you know, I just think he showed everybody what a piece of garbage he is. And I'm just glad that you did the completely accurate and fearless reporting on him that you did and that people knew the truth about the Bidens in general on the Biden crime family. So. And you know, Clay or I are happy to have a word with him outside the bar if we ever see him, you know, after he says these mean things. Yes. Anyway, Miranda, you're the best. You're the best.
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Yeah.
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And. All right, people should go check out Pod Force One. Thank you, Miranda.
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Nope.
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Hey, I'm Clay Travis.
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And I'm Buck Sexton. You know we're thankful for this year, all of you.
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Sending a big warm and happy Thanksgiving from the Clay and Buck show.
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You're listening to Team 47 with clay and Buck.
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Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin joining us. Senator, appreciate you as always, sir. Thanks for calling in.
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Well, Buck, I hope you're doing well.
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Yeah, man, things are great here. Let's get right to it. This revelation that came out, it was a combination of reporting from Miranda Devine, Tucker Carlson on Thomas Crooks, the would be assassin of Donald Trump. Really the first of two would be assassins, but the one who actually got shots off and managed to shoot the president in the ear. There seems to be information that maybe the FBI had but didn't publicly release or first. Let me ask you about that. What do you make of this? That there were some accounts online that we weren't told about that indicated at least at some level Thomas Crooks had become a, you know, using trans pronouns, all this kind of stuff. What do you make of this? Did the FBI probably know and just not talk about it or did they miss it or what?
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Well, again, I've got a great deal of sympathy for Casp Patel, Dan Bongino, Dan Bondi, going to these agencies, trying to root out the deep state actors that many are still burrowed in, unable to really hire the kind of staff they need because of the lawfare against good people like Judge troops in Wisconsin and others they're kind of reluctant to join the Trump administration during their career will be destroyed. So I've got, I want to start there. I've got a great deal of sympathy. These guys come into office, they've got enormous messes they're trying to clean up, actually turn these agencies into what they're, they're meant to be crime fighting units for the standpoint of the FBI. But, but at the same time, I'll say I've been frustrated. We tried to undertake a bipartisan investigation and then we did some work. But by and large, what we found out about Butler was pretty well gleaned by my investor staff in the first week, primarily talking to local law officials. I issued what I considered a friendly subpoena to the FBI to help prompt more documents, more information coming forward. Our liaisons, the FBI actually thanked us for the subpoena. But the fact of the matter is we really have not gotten much. So we've had to go out and contact phone carriers and social media companies. We're starting to get information, we're piecing things together. There are things that are interesting that we need to kind of complete the investigation before we start publishing. But no, there's an awful Lot unknown about Thomas Crooks. That from my standpoint, we should have known quite some time ago.
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So just so I'm clear on this, Senator, there's an awful lot that the public should know about that you think the FBI has and has not made public or there's more that the FBI maybe didn't find?
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It's probably both.
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Both.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. You know, again, we, yeah, I mean, I'm frustrated, but there's no doubt about it. But, but again, I don't want to be throwing Castella, Dan Bongino under the bus because we would.
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Just so you know, Senator, we don't do that. You know, we know Cash and, and, and Dan here, they're friends of ours. I, you know, from before they took these jobs. They took these jobs because they want to help and they want to reform and they, you know, and we get a lot of heat for standing up for them here because some people have been very frustrated with them. Even a lot of Trump voters have been frustrated with the transparency issue. But I try to remind everybody these are enormous, unwieldy bureaucratic institutions that were really left rot from the inside under previous administrations. There's a lot of work to be done.
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There really is. So we're pursuing this. I'm pretty well undertaking the investigation now from a Senate standpoint, just through my permanent subcommittee investigation, I kind of walked away from the bipartisan because it just slowed its way down. But again, all I can say is there's more information that will eventually come out and some that we have not yet discovered. So we're still doing investigation now on.
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The transparency issue, obviously you were a yes vote for releasing the Epstein files because the Senate was unanimous in this. Right. One member of the House, everyone else voted for it. One member of the House says, look, I'm. His concern was that he thinks that there are people that will be tainted who didn't do anything wrong, but their name is just in some. Ok, so that was his. But everybody else voted to release this thing. Can you just tell us what your sense is of where the president has been on this one? I know you talked to President Trump. He is now in favor of it. But people keep asking, they say, well, why is he in favor of it now? Why has there been this delay and how do you see the release of the Epstein files from the beginning of this administration to present in terms of what's gone on here? Like, why has it been so stop. Start.
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Well, I thought the speaker really did a pretty good job laying out his concerns about you know, information getting out the public domain that really would be harmful to victims, and is that going to be adequately protected in whatever gets released this time? I would guess President Trump has similar concerns. I think President Trump, as I would have similar concerns going. Is this evidence of these documents untainted? Let's face it, they're in the Biden, the midst of the Biden administration who, I mean, that administration doing everything, they could destroy Donald Trump during their four years. If there's something damaging to Trump, you would think that would have already been released. So, yeah, I also take the president's word. I mean, he just, he doesn't. We have serious problems facing this nation. There are a lot of things he's addressing. Do we really need this distraction? Having said all that, I'm as curious as every other American about what happened, bringing people to justice who are pedophiles that, you know, engage this kind of abuse. So, again, I'm as curious as anybody. We didn't take a vote, by the way. We just passed this by unanimous consent, I think, before the bill even got over here. So, yeah, the Senate didn't want to take much time on this. That was a fight in the House. People who fought for disclosure won, and now we'll see what we get.
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Yeah, it's a rare, it's a rare moment where things just fly through in bipartisan fashion in the Congress. So now we're. Is it once the president signs this and everyone believes it's going to get signed imminently, 30 days for the release. Is that how this goes?
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That's what I hear. But again, they still probably need to do review and there will be some material with help. And they've in the while, they've got, I think, four or five very specific reasons, the things that can be withheld. But, you know, really this reflects. The public wanted to see this. And so as elected officials, when you, when you. For a year are, that's the number one thing that people calling into your office is, you know, vote to release the Epstein files. You know, in the end, representative government actually works.
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Yeah. What do you have on the, on the agenda here? I know the Senate goes into recess, what, next week sometime for Thanksgiving. What are you hoping can get done before the end of this year? Is there anything. Are you going to try to get some judges through? How's that going? What are you looking to get the Senate to finally push over the finish line here before we all head out for the holidays?
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Yeah, the Senate's always doing nominations now that we had to change rules because the obnoxious obstruction of Democrats, we'll probably clear another 70 to 100 nominations of various types of. We are working on health care, by the way. We always have. It's just galling to hear Republicans have no plans. We have all kinds of plans. It's how do we get it passed? Democrats are in a complete state of denial of the miserable failure that Obamacare has been. The reason people's premiums are increasing is because of the flawed design of Obamacare. So we are working very diligently on that. Rich Scott is heavily involved in this, probably as knowledgeable an individual on health care in America, if not the world. So we've got some good people here. I bought health care for 30 years. I'm pretty knowledgeable about as well. So we're going to do this based on, you know, repairing the damage done by Obamacare, properly define the problem, coming up with, you know, what are the principles? And President Trump tweeted the main principles. Rather than spend hundreds or spend hundreds of billions of dollars into these insurance companies, United Health stock price increased 1,177% since Obamacare. The slowest percent increase in stock price is 414%. So instead of filling the conference of insurance companies, why don't we give that money to the American people, turn them into consumers of health insurance and health care with things like HSA accounts. So no Republicans have solutions is how can we overcome the impediment that the structure of Obamacare is with the current filibuster, which, by the way, I've been very public reluctantly, but I completely agree with President Trump. It's time to end the filibuster. The Democrats will do it. We will look like schmucks in 2028 if they have all the levers of power and they do this and then do it to maintain their power as opposed to, we're going to do it to secure our elections further secure our border, hopefully repair the damage done by Obamacare, transition to a system that works, you know, have a prosperous economy, make things more affordable. You know, we would, we would use ending the filibuster for the benefit of the American people, not our own personal power.
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Speaking of Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and Senator, I want to actually circle back, if I can, to the oversight of the FBI for a moment here because I know you're very up to speed on the Arctic Frost situation. Right. That was the FBI investigation run under the Biden administration about January 6th in the 2020 election. It looks like there were abuses. There what can you tell us about what we're learning about Arctic Frost and what's going to come next?
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Well, I think what has been revealed recently is that this wasn't just a mere fishing expedition. This was a massive partisan dragnet really meant to cripple the Republican Party. Obviously Trump was the main target. Yeah, we've got, you know, some members of Congress, got some of our phone records scooped up. But what's maybe the most outrageous is just ordinary citizens, you know, all these affiliated Republican groups. But for example, in Wisconsin, 38 Wisconsinites, just God fearing, country loving, law enforcement supporting people were on the enemy's list. They are literally trying to destroy a person of unbelievable integrity. Judge Troopas who just represented President Trump for two months after the election, there were serious problems in Wisconsin. They're criminalizing that behavior. They're attempting to. That's what all Arctic Cross is all about. Criminalizing what basically JFK did in Hawaii, at least alternate electors. It's just shameful. And I met with the Attorney General Pam Bondi and Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch this week and they are completely on board with exposure. And one of the things I point out is get us the communication records between Biden officials and Wisconsin officials on for example, Judge Troopas. You know, let's see the coordination between the Biden administration, these outside groups, the Mary McCord's, the Marco Isis, you know, all these legal groups that the left has that are engaged in lawfare across the board. Again, not just against President Trump, but ordinary Americans. People just have to support the Republican Party and President Trump. They are trying to destroy all these people.
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Senator Johnson, one more for you before we let you go. What is your favorite part of a traditional, and I don't know how you guys do it up in Wisconsin, but a traditional American Thanksgiving feast, your favorite.
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Dish, I mean it's the turkey, it's the dressing, it's the gravy, it's the mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes and corn. That is my Thanksgiving dinner. I gotta have it all in the right portions. I start and portion it out and I end with the exact portions. For that final bite, we just literally had Thanksgiving lunch. John Bozeman provided it. So I had a pre Thanksgiving dinner. It was fabulous. Can't wait till Thursday. And I wish all you and all your listeners a very happy Thanksgiving.
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Same to you, Senator. Thanks so much. Have a great holiday. We'll talk to you soon.
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Take care.
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Over the weekend, the Pentagon conducted the 21st known strike on a drug trafficking boat. This continuing on here, the war on drugs looking more like an actual war these days than any time in a long time. Senator Mark Wayne Mullen joins us right now and appreciate you joining. Senator, thank you for your time.
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Absolutely. Thanks for having me on.
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So these strikes, there's a lot of questions that people are asking about them. Some just want to know more. Some obviously very much are opposing them in the media, including some Republicans, some Senate colleagues, at least one I can think of. Let's talk about whether they're working. What are they, what can we say about how effective these strikes are at this point? Do we not know? Is there a drop in fentanyl importation via these boats? You know, because I think that's a big part of, of whether or not we can say that this is a program that the American people are going to continue with.
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Yeah, I think it's important for us to see the big picture. And so I'll get to that in just a second. But let's talk about what your questions were. Have we seen a drop in fentanyl? We've seen a drop in cocaine trafficking, absolutely. And the biggest measuring stick to that is the price on the street. I know it sounds crazy, but, you know, everything is supply and demand. We've seen a significant increase in the price of fentanyl and the price of cocaine because their shipping lanes are being cut off. The president is being very proactive on his approach. Rather than waiting until it gets to our shores, he has taken an approach that we're going to, we're going to destroy it in international water, which has put everybody on notice because it's not just coming out of Venezuela. You know, we saw an attack on, we saw a taking out at narco boat in, in the Pacific too. And so what the President is doing here because he realizes that we've lost more Americans in 2024. We haven't got the statistics yet for 2025, but in 2024, we lost more Americans to fentanyl and other drug overdoses inside the United States. And we did the entire Vietnam War. That's a staggering number because every single one of your listeners, including yourself and I know somebody that has been affected by this drug war that has come to our hometowns. Be it the small, small town like Westville, Oklahoma or a large metropolitan area like Dallas, Fort Worth, it is, it has affected all of our streets, has affected all of our friends and family. It's affected some of us. So what the, what the president has done is he's done a full court approach. It's not just about taking out the drug boats, the narco boats, but it's also about getting rid of their supply lines of once it gets into the United States, the distribution lines plus the cash flowing back out to the cartels. So when the President deemed the cartels a terrorist organization, what allowed is the full way to the United States to come in? And so you see dhs, you know, Secretary Noem and ICE going into these major metropolitan areas. A lot of people think it's just about deporting illegal immigrants, but it's not. It's also disturbing their supply lines. We see a Department of Transportation with Secretary Duffy that's doing stops inside the United States. There's a actual, as we speak, there's an operation going on in Oklahoma right now where we're stopping trucks, we're doing drug searches, but we're also arrest the illegals, their supply lines with the illegals that are coming into the United States illegally, The gangs like MS.13 and other gangs that are being used to distribute and supply different areas inside the United States. DHS is taking a hard look. So we're pushing them from the end of their supply all the way back into Venezuela, back into Mexico, back where it's going. Plus we're being proactive with the drugs coming into the United States. So it's the first time ever, ever that we've had a full pledge, all out assault on the drug cartels and we're having a huge, huge impact. So a lot of people need to look past just the narco boats but also understand what we're doing inside our cities and on our and on our interstates.
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Senator, how troubled? Buck and I started off the show today talking about the revelations. I'm sure you've seen them from Tucker Carlson, Miranda Devine about the would be Trump assassin in Butler, Pennsylvania. The fact that he appears to have been radicalized on YouTube, posting violent threats in the comments there. Again, this is based on their reporting. We have been told, hey, we'll never know really the motivations of this guy from our FBI based on the reports that I've seen. How troubled are you that these media investigations seem to show Trans related connections and incredibly violent commentary under the guy's own name on YouTube. Should, should we be concerned about this and what should happen going forward as it pertains to that assassination investigation?
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Well, I think there's no one more motivated to get to the root of the problem than President Trump. He's the one that got his ear shot and he's the one that they've tried to assassinate two different times. And so he's extremely motivated to prevent it honestly from happening to him again. Plus the Secret Service. And then you take Cash Patel who loves the President and Pam Bondi who loves the President.
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We all do.
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We're all walking in the same direction, in the same boat, rolling the same direction. I kind of take a step back when you chase so many conspiracies, especially some of these news reporters, if they want to call that or commentary or talk show host, when they constantly are chasing conspiracy theories and they believe a conspiracy theory is the truth. Because anybody can say something online and you can run an AI search and it doesn't do a deep dive for you. All it does is take the information that's on the Internet and you can persuade any algorithm to be to come up with whatever you want it to come up with. And so I always take a step back. I believe in facts and it's really hard for me to believe that someone like Tucker Carlson would have a better research department than the FBI. I read intel reports on this stuff, a lot of stuff that, that the public won't be able to see because they don't have the same type of clearances which it will be very hard for a lot of this stuff to be released because it's, it's not that we're trying to protect the shooters identity. It's because we try to protect the tradecraft on how we access this information. And in a lot of times when we see how we gather that trade that information, it releases the trade craft that these I see the intelligent community uses. But I have seen nothing period to support Tucker Carlson's theory on this one. Not saying it can't be realistic, but I just don't believe it until I actually see it. I don't have time to chase theories.
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Speaking of Senator Mark Wade Mullen. Sir, you're on the Armed Services Committee. I want to just pivot back for a second to the drug boat strikes 21. So far over 80 people killed. Senator Rand Paul, your Republican colleague is very against these. He has recently said things like calling.
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Rand as a Republican colleague is pretty.
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Loose lipped So I mean he is a Republican colleague. I mean we can, we can talk about how you feel about that, but he definitely is a Republican senator. So what do you think about the concerns about legality when it comes to these strikes?
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Well, I don't. I think the President's well within his authority to do so because it's very clear that these are terrorist organizations. They are attacking us, attacking our streets or domestic terrorists plus foreign terrorists. The president is well within his rights to be able to protect United States citizens home and abroad, not in our intellectual property and our person self. That's well within, within his constitutional authority to do so. And, and so for Rand Paul to quote that I always, what I always say is say okay, give me in the Constitution where it's not in his authority to do that because people always say it's outside the Constitution. Okay, show me. Show me. The Constitution is very, very thin. It's not hard to read. It's. You can read it in 20 minutes if you want to. Pull, pull out the part that Rand Paul is talking about. But this is the same Rand Paul that doesn't vote with Republicans to open government. He just recently was trying to support his plan to enhance THC levels for consumption in drinks because he thought it was good for Kentucky's not joking, good for Kentucky's industry, for hemp industry. This is the same Rand Paul that is constantly looking for an opportunity to run against the President United States. And so he's looking for an opportunity anytime he can to distance himself. I would be a lot better off if Rand Paul just called himself what he is. He's a libertarian. I'm perfectly okay with that. But he can't get elected as a libertarian in Kentucky, so he decides to run as a Republican. You know, I have more respect for Thomas Massie than I do Rand Paul. And because at least Thomas Massey owns who he is. Rand Paul is just whoever he feels like to be that day.
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We're talking to Senator Mark Wayne Mullen of Oklahoma. You were at a big football game over the weekend. This is much less serious than everything else. I know you were hanging out with Katie.
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Serious topics between Alabama and Oklahoma.
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Football is a very serious topic.
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So you were at that game with your, with Senator Katie Britt of Alabama. We just had. You may not. You probably don't know this because we just had him on but Paul fine bomb who I know you know SEC network commentator is thinking about running for Senate in Alabama. You were at the Alabama Oklahoma game. Congrats to the Sooners. Huge Win there. What do you think of Paul Finebaum as a potential Senate colleague from Alabama? And for everybody out there listening, you got the opportunity to go after some Alabama fans over the big win and celebrate. For all the Oklahomans out there listening.
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Think, well, first of all, Alabama was very gracious. I have never been to an sec, came outside of Norman, Oklahoma. It was amazing. Hats off to Alabama, hats off to their fans. My hats off to Tuscaloosa because that whole town turns out for football and it was a amazing environment. Glad we pulled off the win. But in the little part, I was like, oh, I'm kind of almost sad for this group because this whole town does go to. It has to go into depression now because they got beat by the University of Oklahoma. But it was, it was, you know, we had the first pick six. I was sitting in the presence box for the University of Alabama and super nice guy and I hollered because I got my ou, you know, wrestling because my son wrestled through University of Oklahoma. And I got my U wrestling shirt on and one of the guys walked up to me and he says, I was going to give you, I'm using clean language here. I was going to give you crap about hollering in the president's box that I thought better of it when I saw your shirt said wrestling. We laughed about it, but that was kind of group. It was. Now, as far as anybody, this isn't particular for anybody. As far as anybody willing to put their name on any ballot and run for any office. I don't care if it's school board, city council, mayor, state rep, state senate, sheriff, county commissioner, or for a federal office. I commend you for doing that. And no one knows what type of person a candidate's going to be, but we need good people that have a passion for our country, not a passion for a title to run for, to run for office. And my measuring stick is that this is your best job you've ever had. Then I would question your ability to do what is best for your decision making. Because if it's the most money you've made and it's the biggest title you've had, then are you willing to fire yourself? Because we're all somewhat self employed, but we have a whole bunch of shareholders across our state and we're the chairman of the board to some degree. So our board can fire us at any given time. But it's pretty hard to be, to be fired because you can get your votes right half the time. Either yes or no, it's just how you articulate yourself and what type of tough votes are you willing to take. And so for anybody, anybody to stand up and run, great. Just have the right motives to do so. And anybody decides to run, we're going to sit down, we're going to talk to them, and we may or may not get involved in the primary. It really depends. Usually I don't get involved in primaries unless it's somebody I know personally and. But when they win a primary, we're all in to get them across the finish line. Let them come be part of the team.
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Outstanding stuff. Senator Mark Wayne Mullen. Congrats to the Sooners. I'm glad that you had the wrestling shirt on so the president didn't come after you too hard at the University of Alabama. And Buck's been down there and can speak for the hospitality of the people of Tuscaloosa. First game Buck ever went to was Ole Miss Alabama college football.
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It was amazing. I had all these fraternity brothers handing me red plastic cups and saying they love outkick. It was quite a scene.
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It was an amazing Buck. It's an amazing environment. Never seen anything like that in my life. I want to go back just to just enjoy the environment. Just when they're not playing, you know, a University of Oklahoma.
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Outstanding stuff, Senator. We appreciate the time. Keep up the good work.
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Thanks. See you guys.
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Bye.
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