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Team 47 with Clay and Buck starts now three year anniversary of the raid on Mar A Lago. And it is not coincidental that as I sit down to talk to all of you, Fox News first on Fox. I'm reading from their Twitter account. This is 15 minutes ago. Attorney General Pam Bondi has authorized a special prosecutor, Ed Martin, and pause here. This is the Ed Martin that many of you will remember we had on this program because Democrats refused to elevate him to be the U.S. attorney for Washington, D.C. and so as a result, President Trump put in place Judge Jeanine Pirro, who is teeing off left and right over the crime rate in D.C. and we'll talk about that more during the course of the program. But Ed Martin is now in as a special prosecutor to investigate allegations of mortgage fraud involving Adam Schiff, senator from California, and Letitia James, the attorney general of New York who prosecuted Trump. That is according to Peter Doocy. Ed Martin was on with us May 8th. That is an incredible decision and I think will work out phenomenally well. We also have news that a grand jury investigation has also been opened in New York into Letitia James and her behavior surrounding the decision to come after Trump for civil forfeiture relating to bank loans and all of that. I believe she got a verdict of $450 million, something in that universe. So that in and of itself is also turning into a big story. But I wanted to take us back in time a little bit because I believe this is when Trump won the Republican nomination for president. And I think historically this is going to be seen as one of the biggest own goals, one of the most self inflicted wounds. I think as soon as Biden and his Department of Justice decided to try to put Trump in prison, they actually put Trump back into the White House. I think it would have been if they had not prosecuted. I think they would have been in a better position in the 2024 election, but three days after the Mar a Lago raid. So this is a flashback. A couple of days after the raid, Merrick Garland finally had a press conference and said, this is raiding the prep. Former President of the United States is a faithful adherence to the rule of law, and there is no politics involved in this at all. Remember, Merrick Garland himself signed off on an unprecedented raid of the former president's home at Mar A Lago. Here's cut one.

Merrick Garland (6:04)

Faithful adherence to the rule of law is the bedrock principle of the Justice Department and of our democracy. Upholding the rule of law means applying the law evenly, without fear or favor. Under my watch, that is precisely what the Justice Department is doing. There are, however, certain points I want you to know. First, I personally approve the decision to seek a search warrant in this matter. Second, the Department does not take such a decision lightly. Where possible, it is standard practice to seek less intrusive means as an alternative to a search and to narrowly scope any search that is undertaken.

Clay Travis (6:50)

All right, this very interesting in and of itself, because I believe, without a doubt, this is what put Trump into the White House. And I also want to play a couple of additional cuts that surround this. This was everyone out there trying to tell you, hey, there's actually nothing at all unacceptable about this raid. This is completely and totally normal. This was again, three years ago to the date when I believe Trump officially became the nominee. Here we go with, let's see, cut three. Former federal prosecutor Daniel Goodman saying, we need to recognize and praise Merrick Garland following the rule of law. Here's cut three. Barrett Garland, who has said very consistently, much to the frustration of some on the left, that he is following the facts and he's following the law wherever it goes. And so he took this action because he had probable cause to do so. And I'm sure he took this action because it was a significant and necessary move as part of this investigation. And if he doesn't take this action because of the backlash, then it is a political decision. So we need to recognize and praise Merrick Garland for following the rule of law. Oh, my goodness. I mean, now that we know also just how much of a sham it was, we thought at the time, remember, they took the photos of the classified documents on the ground. They even went through Melania's underwear drawer. I mean, this was absolutely bonkers. And now that we have had that case tossed by, thankfully, the federal district court judge in South Florida, a lot of people forget that case was even tossed in July of 2024, before Trump even won the election because it was found to be illegitimate. I do think it's worthwhile going back and listening to what all of the talking heads, the left wing loons said, including the now canceled Stephen Colbert. This feels even a little bit more delicious. Cut 4. We learned the news of the FBI.

Merrick Garland (9:06)

Raid straight from the horse's ass because.

Clay Travis (9:08)

The former president posted the news on social media.

Merrick Garland (9:11)

These are dark times for our nation.

Clay Travis (9:13)

As my beautiful home, Mar a Lago.

Merrick Garland (9:15)

In Palm Beach, Florida, is currently under.

Clay Travis (9:16)

Siege, raided and occupied by a large.

Merrick Garland (9:19)

Group of FBI agents.

Clay Travis (9:21)

Nothing like this has ever happened to.

Merrick Garland (9:23)

A president of the United States before.

Clay Travis (9:25)

Well, of course it hasn't. No president has ever been as criminal as you are. Isn't it even more delicious that Stephen Colbert is gone when you listen to a clip like that? He was trying to tap dance on what he thought was the political grave of Donald Trump. He told his unfortunate audience. And maybe we can grab. I don't think this is in the cuts, guys, but can we grab the audio? I saw Buck retweet this. Can we grab the audio of John Oliver being upset at Jay Leno for saying the job of comedy is to try to talk to everyone and make fun of a variety of different groups and John Oliver just being like, no, it isn't. My job is to be a left wing propagandist. It really is amazing how Trump has broken the brains of so many people in the comedic universe that I think without Trump may well have had much longer careers and certainly would have had much more successful ones. And by the way, one of those guys is Howard Stern. I saw the guy was one of the most revolutionary, whatever you think about him, one of the most revolutionary, aggressive, relentless in his, in his risk taking. And now he's turned into a complete and total pussy willow. He's just a shill for big bad interview he did with Joe Biden actually made me uncomfortable. The ill trying to watch it because it was such ridiculous propaganda. You're listening to Team 47 with clay and Buck.

Buck Sexton (11:00)

Our friend Miranda Devine joins. She is the New York Post columnist extraordinaire, author, Laptop from Hell, among others and Pod Force One host. And Miranda, as always, great to have you on the program.

iHeart Host (11:16)

Great to be with you. Hope this sounds okay.

Buck Sexton (11:20)

Yeah, it was great. It was fantastic. So tell us this comer. Let's start with this one. Comer's subpoenas for every attorney general that I think anybody can name going back 20 years and also Hillary and Bill Clinton, all this stuff. Do you think this goes Somewhere, Clay and I. I don't know if you heard any part of this, but. So we're both skeptical. But what do you think? What does this mean? What happens?

iHeart Host (11:48)

Look, I mean, there's a lot of people trying to do a lot of things. So just setting Congress aside, because I think we've seen, you know, through the Biden administration, even when the Republicans did take the House, for all their best efforts, it's pretty much a toothless tiger, unless it's in the hands of someone very Machiavellian like Nancy Pelosi, who manages to put people like Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro in jail for contempt of Congress. I don't know that the Republicans in Congress are quite that ruthless yet, but certainly Donald Trump and his, you know, Justice Department people, whether it be Pam Bondi or Cash Patel and then CIA Director John Ratcliffe, backed up by Chuck Grassley, the senator, who's been sort of the champion of transparency and whistleblowers forever. They are determined. They mean business. And I think that's backed by the fact that Donald Trump has a different attitude this term to his first term. He told me in an interview that he, yes, he did feel angry about these new revelations that Tulsi Gabbard has been tabling about the origins of the Russia hoax, about how Obama directed his National Security intelligence people to concoct this intelligence that said that Putin favored Trump and that's why he won the 2016 election, that wasn't true. And it was just sort of a decoy from Hillary Clinton's problems and trying to salve Obama's ego, because Donald Trump's victory was a repudiation of his eight years. So all of that has made Donald Trump more determined. And he said in his first term he wanted to show mercy. He thought the country should heal. He, even though his rallies, his supporters were saying, lock her up about Hillary Clinton, he figured, well, look, she's the wife of a former president. She's a former secretary of state. I just don't want to go after her and cause the country to be in turmoil and chaos. I just want to concentrate on fixing the economy, et cetera. Well, then in the ensuing eight years, look what happened to him. They targeted him with, you know, impeachments, the Russia hoax, lawfare, assassination attempts, you name it, and he's still standing. The American people saw through it all. He won a comprehensive victory that they can't try and delegitimize like they did in 2016. And now he wants accountability, and he said so, and he's told all his people. And I think his people want accountability. I mean, Tulsi Gabbard and Kash Patel both have been targeted by the deep state by, well, in Tulsi Gabbard's place, allies of Hillary Clinton who wanted to get their revenge on her and put her on the Quiet Skies program. You have so many people within the Trump orbit who were targeted like he was and are victims of that deep state and are tougher and stronger as a result. So they are all on the same page. They want accountability and not about, you know, retribution and vendettas. It is about a deterrence. You can't trust these people not to do it again to the next Republican or MAGA president because the last time that Trump showed mercy, they just doubled down. So never again, I think, is the motto of the Trump administration.

Clay Travis (15:35)

We're talking to Miranda Devine, who was right on basically everything over the years. Let me ask you a big question here, Miranda. Let's pretend that Jeff Bezos called you. Let's pretend that whoever is the Salzburgers or whoever heck runs the New York Times now, those two entities gave themselves, through their friends in the media, Pulitzer Prizes. And I think as a result of awarding what has been proven to be legitimately untrue scoops that were given the highest order of award that can happen, they just refused to acknowledge that everything they wrote about Russia collusion was wrong. I think if you look, Buck and I talked about this a little bit, was it Jason Blair? Back in the day, the New York Times did a huge front page story when they realized that he was a fabulous, that he had made everything up. And they said, you know, we expect when we get things wrong that we acknowledge that we got things wrong. What should the New York Times and the Washington Post do today? We all know they screwed up for a decade. If you were asked your best advice for those institutions based on the false reporting that they did surrounding Russia and.

iHeart Host (16:45)

More, that's a really good example to use the Jason Blair example. Back in the day when these newspaper institutions were regarded as being the sort of pinnacle of journalism and everybody wanted to work there. Well, I mean, I think they're too far gone. But, you know, if they wanted to try and, and clean house and make amends, they ought to start by giving back those dirty Pulitzer Prizes. I mean, the Pulitzer foundation ought to be rescinding them. But unfortunately, I think like the Nobel Prize, it's lost any cachet since they traduced it by giving it to undeserving people. The Nobel Peace Prize, remember, went to Barack Obama when he barely had his feet under the desk. And you know, Donald Trump, who did the Abraham Accords, just was ignored. And the Pulitzers are the same. So I start by giving back the Pulitzers and then you do a comprehensive investigation of what went wrong and you do front page mea culpas. Chelsea Gabbard pointed out that these organizations, you know, whether it be the Times, the Post, The Washington Post, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, they devoted something like 2,000 minutes to the Russia hoax. And so far they've devoted two minutes to collectively to the revelations of the last two weeks that show that this was a total hoax, a plan, a coup to bring down Donald Trump, to sabotage his presidency, to delegitimize his election victory and to sow discord with Russia. And this was all Obama and Hillary Clinton. And they sticked their, you know, CIA Director Brennan, FBI Director Comey and James Clapper, the NSA guy. So all of that should be gone into with, you know, seven byline extravaganzas that they devoted to the original hoax. And it ought to be. They should be in sackcloth and ashes and they should fire people. They should humiliate former editors who've left for their so called leadership of that newsroom. I think, I mean, it's the only way that they could restore their reputations. But unfortunately, the way they've curated their audiences, I think they would lose subscriptions. I think their readers would go ballistic because they don't want to know the truth. They just stick their fingers in their ears and continue on lively. You know, the Rachel Maddow is their patron saint of journalism.

Buck Sexton (19:39)

Speaking of Miranda Devine, Pod Force One is her podcast. And Miranda, I had the distinct honor and pleasure of getting to a segment with you on Will Cain show a couple of days ago. And you were fabulous, by the way, just throwing that out there, as always appreciated. Getting to hang out with you and, and with Will, it was like a great, it was always a great time. But we were talking about this, this grand jury component of the Russia collusion, I guess now transparency effort that the administration is going through. So I know that it's early and we don't really know, but what is your sense? Do you think that the administration is preparing for the possibility, at least politically, of indictments to come down against people like Brennan and Clapper? Or is that just way too far afield in your mind?

iHeart Host (20:31)

No, I absolutely think that's the case. I mean, there are very smart prosecutors in the department of justice who are looking at this being creative. Look how creative the Biden Department of Justice was when they were coming after Donald Trump and various other of his allies. So there are multiple laws on the books, probably too many, and they can be employed and deployed in various ways to certainly bring charges against these coup plotters. And, you know, at first, John Ratcliffe, CIA director, kicks the ball rolling, I think, at the beginning of July with that review of the, you know, the bogus intelligence assessment. And he was talking then about perjury charges. And then, you know, there was talk that the statute of limitations will have run out, it's only five years. But then that, you know, certainly Brennan and some of the others may have also allegedly perjured themselves when they gave testimony to some of the Biden impeachment inquiries. And so which is more recent. So that was then. And now I think the whole conversation has moved on to looking at conspiracy charges. And as John Ratcliffe said just on Sunday to Maria Bartiroma that that conspiracy continued through to this day through the Biden administration and to this day. So I think, you know, they have a lot of leeway there to look at tying up a lot of people. And I'm hearing that there's more than one grand jury that they're contemplating and paneling in Florida would be one, maybe in D.C. just ease of access for documents. And I think it's going to be a big issue. And why wouldn't it be? You know, you have the immense power of the federal government, Department of Justice, you now have Tulsi Gabbard, who's really relentless in pushing through any deep state obstruction she's getting from these agencies to get documents, and she's just referring them straight to the doj. So I think it's going to be fruitful for them. And as we've heard, I mean, James Clapper said himself, he's lawyering up. Jonathan Turley says all of D.C. is lawyering up. And the lawyers are more than busy and some of them are having to lawyer up themselves. I think it's good and it's, you.

Clay Travis (23:13)

Know, you're in a tough spot, Miranda, when your lawyer wants to get his own lawyer. But that's, I always say, well, that's a, that's a tough spot. Let me ask you this question quickly on the way out. I would say the number one concern of our audience is we've heard all this. It's a lot of, you know, flapping of the gum, so to speak. A lot of talk. It has never actually led to anybody being charged with crimes, not even talking about convictions, what do you think the chances are that there are people indicted for crimes and that there is in some way at least that are an arrest for crimes? If you were setting odds, more or less likely than 50%, I'd say more.

iHeart Host (23:54)

And in part that's because exactly as you say, we're all cynical, we're all fed up. The boy has cried wolf a million times and nothing's ever happened. And so I think that that actually is an issue for Donald Trump with the loyalty of his base, because they're sick of promises, they're sick of being led down the garden path and nobody ever is brought to account. And therefore the deep state, the bad guys, the wrongdoers, whatever you call them, the coup plotters, they just get more and more emboldened. And it's very dangerous for the republic. It goes beyond Donald Trump, it goes to the very survival of this country that you cannot have this two tiered system of justice where one side gets just killed for the most minor issue and the other side gets away with murder, Literally.

Buck Sexton (24:53)

Rand, appreciate you being with us. Thank you as always.

iHeart Host (24:56)

Thank you. Great to talk to you both.

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Clay Travis (30:12)

You're listening to team 47 with Clay and Buck. We're joined now by the governor of Texas, Greg Abbott. He has been in the midst of a big battle. And Governor, I appreciate you joining us. Let's start with this. The redistricting that would potentially add five Republican seats has led to Democrats fleeing your state. Most of them, it appears, have gone to Illinois, which is among the most gerrymandered of all states. They have 14 Democrat seats, three Republican seats, despite the fact that President Trump got around 45% of the vote there in 2024. Of all the places they could have run, that seems like a really interesting choice to have made. What's the latest you can tell us about them potentially having to come back and do their jobs as elected legislator members?

Merrick Garland (31:07)

Well, for one, you know, you just pointed out the hypocrisy of these Democrats. It's not just the hypocrisy of the Democrats in Texas. It's the hypocrisy of the Democrats in Illinois as well as across the entire country who are saying that Texas should not be doing this redistricting. When you look at Illinois, when you look at California, when you look at New York, when you look at Massachusetts, Massachusetts, when you look at all the all the blue states. That is the epitome of gerrymandering. What the Democrats have done and what Texas is doing. We're just trying to draw lines to allow voters to vote for the candidate of the choice. Easy example. And that in each of these five seats that we're going to add, Trump won those five seats. The candidate of choice is Donald Trump and a Republican. Democrats have a problem in Texas Democrats, because they think they had a, quote, ownership right to Hispanic and black voters. And now it turned out that Hispanic voters and black voters are voting Republican, not Democrat. So they have all kinds of problems. But where we stand procedurally in all of this, and that is that I took action yesterday in a proceeding to vacate or remove from office the leader of this runaway renegade group of Democrats and filed a proceeding in the Texas Supreme Court. Texas Supreme Court immediately ordered the leader of the runaway Democrats, his name is Jean Wu, to file papers in the Supreme Court by Friday to respond to my allegations because we are seeking to remove him from office and to hold these people accountable because we cannot conduct business in the state of Texas because they've broken a quorum. And so, for one, we're going to hold them accountable. For another, arrest warrants are out for all of them. And we're searching across the state of Texas to find out if there are any Democrats in the state of Texas. And if there are, we're going to be arresting them. And we will have Department of Public Safety officers working across the country to try to identify them. And know this, because I think the Democrats who are in Illinois, New York, et cetera, don't know this. And that is the FBI is out looking for them also. So we're going to track them down and get them back. But the last point is this. This is total futility by the Democrats. They've tried this before, multiple times since I've been governor. And what happens is a special session In Texas, last 30 days, and they eventually have to come back. And when they come back, they'll be arrested since at the Capitol. And we're going to get past what was on the agenda just like we have every other time.

Clay Travis (33:47)

Why do you think they're doing this? Like, let's pretend that you were not the governor of Texas trying to enact law as you were elected to do. And instead you were trying to just sit out there and you're looking at this and you're saying, what is their game plan here? You just laid out why it's not going to work. What do you think they are thinking they are gaining from this.

Merrick Garland (34:10)

I don't think that they are thinking, to be honest.

Clay Travis (34:14)

That's a good, that's a good answer, by the way.

Merrick Garland (34:17)

The reality is they're losing bad from this. And we've seen it happen before. I'll tell you what's happened in the past and why it's going to be repeated again. And that is everyone listening to this show. Every, every average Texan in the state of Texas, they have to show up for work. And if they don't show up for us, I'm going to boycott today. I'm going to break quorum. I'm not going to go do my job. I'm going to leave and go to Illinois. They'd be fired. And so what these Democrats are doing, they're angering the average Texas voter, the swing voter, if you would, who thinks, well, they got to go to work, but these rogue Democrats don't have to go to work. And then to make this even more impactful against these Democrats, I called a special session which lasts 30 days. And I put 18 items on that session, the first of which were four items to deal with the tragic floods that took place in Central Texas, where we lost more than 100 Texans. They lost their life because of that flood. And we need remedies such as warning systems, other strategies for rivers and flooding. We need laws passed that will protect the lives of Texans in the future. And the reason why those laws are not being passed, the reason why the resources are not being provided to the fellow Texans who need those resources, is because Democrats are holed up in Chicago and New York and leftist states across the country.

Clay Travis (35:52)

We're talking to the governor of Texas, Greg Abbott. One of the things that I think is a huge part of this story that isn't being talked about enough. And I'd like to get your reaction to, to this is one reason you can redraw congressional maps and redraw lines is because of the surge in Hispanic support for Republicans across the state of Texas. Some people out there on the left are saying, oh, this is racist. What it actually represents is the majority of Hispanics in Texas voted for Donald Trump. They're now voting for you. They are voting Republican. And it has fundamentally altered the map, including in particular down along the border in South Texas. For people who may not know what has happened, what has the data shown about Hispanic voters, men in particular, but also a lot of women flooding in to support Republicans?

Merrick Garland (36:45)

Well, all you had to do was take a look at the map of Texas on the night of the presidential election and saw all of the counties on the border that Donald Trump won that had been blue for more than 100 years and they were red under Donald Trump. But Clay, get this very important fact because this just obliterates any claim of racism. Let me tell you what these maps do. Four of the new districts we are creating are predominant Hispanic districts and just turns out they're Hispanic Republicans. But this is these are going to be Hispanic districts and we preserve the Barbara Jordan district. And Houston. Barbara Jordan was well known black member of Congress for a long time and in her district had been broken apart. And we're putting it back together, we're restoring that district. And so any allegations about race playing a role adverse to Democrats here is nothing but just an outright lie.

Clay Travis (37:50)

Are you concerned at all you can make the right decision for Texas? I'm sure you've heard Gavin Newsom say, well, if this happens, we're going to do that in California. And Kathy Hochul in New York, the governor's there. I'm sure you know those guys and gals well. And JB Pritzker even said maybe we'll take away some. Are you concerned about other states responding to Texas and how would you respond to governors there making those threats?

Merrick Garland (38:16)

Well, let's walk through that. For one, those states are so gerrymandered it's hard to pick up any more seats. I think I saw in the map of Illinois of all the members of Congress, there are only three Republican seats left. And it's so gerrymandered I don't think they could rig it any more than they have right now in California. If I understand the facts correctly, Gavin Newsom is trying to place, I think, a constitutional amendment on the ballot that would allow them to take action. The point being that unlike in Texas, he as governor, he doesn't have the unilateral authority to call for redistricting. In Texas we do. We don't have a commission here like they do in California. And so bottom line is this. They have the Democrats have hurdles that may not be able to be cleared in order for them to be able to do any of their own redistricting.

Clay Travis (39:08)

What should we know? You mentioned that one of the reasons you're having this special legislative session was what happened with the flooding. What should this audience, both in Texas and certainly outside of Texas, know about the latest there and how things are going to be handled when it comes to that response?

Merrick Garland (39:27)

So with regard to what happened in the Kerrville area as well as many other areas in the state that got ravaged by flooding and where we lost so many lives. First, in the Kerrville area, we are still missing two people. I want everyone to know that we continue and will continue the search for the two people who remain missing. And we will be deploying new strategies to make sure that we're using every tool possible to find everybody who is missing. Second, after a disaster like this, there are several steps that have to be taken and they're all being taken. One is to clean up the debris. The other is to begin the rebuilding process. Because of the generosity of so many of our fellow Texans and Americans, there is a lot of money available. We're going to start working to immediately rebuild homes and get people back with a roof over their head. It could be rebuilding it from scratch. It could be making repairs to it. In that area there were a lot of RV homes and those are being provided by Samaritan's Purse. And so we have so many organizations like that in addition to the resources the state has. But then in addition to that, we want to make sure that the state is passing laws and providing resources to make sure events like this don't happen again.

Clay Travis (40:55)

Governor, feel free. Come on anytime. We're different times of the year. Number one in Austin, number one in Houston. Highly rated all over your state. So we appreciate everybody out there listening in the Lone Star State. Good luck to the Longhorns and only about four weeks till football season gets rolling.

Merrick Garland (41:14)

Take care. Always great to visit with you. Thanks so much.

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