Team 47 - MACA

Summary

Podcast Title: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Episode: Team 47 - MACA
Release Date: April 27, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this insightful episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, hosts Clay Travis and Buck Sexton engage with two prominent political figures: Secretary of the Interior Doug Burgum and Congressman Chip Roy. The discussions delve deep into critical issues such as energy policy, rare earth minerals, immigration, and the broader implications of current political strategies. The episode seamlessly blends intelligence with humor, offering listeners a comprehensive understanding of complex national topics.

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Interview with Secretary of the Interior Doug Burgum

1. Personal Anecdotes and Introduction to Duties

Timestamp: [00:38]

Buck Sexton opens the conversation by reminiscing about Secretary Burgum’s past, including a memorable experience at a Michael Jordan basketball camp in 1998. Burgum shares his unique experience playing alongside renowned college coaches like John Thompson and Dean Smith, emphasizing the value of leadership and teamwork.

2. Interior Department’s Role in Energy and National Prosperity

Timestamp: [03:41 - 06:10]

Clay Travis steers the discussion toward the often-overlooked role of the Interior Department. Secretary Burgum outlines his top priorities, emphasizing support for President Trump’s agenda to achieve energy dominance. He states:

“Energy is the industry that supports every other. There's a component in the food you eat, the car you drive, the food on your table. There's an energy component.”
– Doug Burgum [05:15]

Burgum highlights the vast assets under the Interior Department’s management—500 million acres of surface land, 700 million acres of subsurface minerals, and 2.5 billion offshore acres. He underscores the potential to expand America’s balance sheet from $36.5 trillion in debt to a projected $100 trillion in assets, advocating for leveraging these resources to fuel national prosperity and reduce dependence on adversarial nations for energy.

3. Addressing Climate Policies and Energy Independence

Timestamp: [06:10 - 09:31]

Buck Sexton challenges Burgum on climate change policies, suggesting that restrictive regulations hinder America’s ability to produce clean oil and gas domestically. Burgum passionately responds:

“If you cared about the environment, you would insist that every electron of electricity, that every ounce of a liquid fuel of any form of energy was produced here in the United States because we do it cleaner, smarter, safer, healthier than anyone else on the planet.”
– Doug Burgum [07:55]

He criticizes previous administrations for impeding energy projects, resulting in increased reliance on foreign, often less environmentally friendly energy sources. Burgum emphasizes that domestic energy production not only ensures environmental standards but also strengthens economic stability by lowering energy prices and supporting manufacturing.

4. Rare Earth Minerals and National Security

Timestamp: [09:31 - 12:52]

Clay Travis shifts focus to rare earth minerals, pivotal for modern technology and defense. Burgum explains:

“China has exploited that. They now control 85% of the processed rare earth minerals that we need. It’s a lever that they can use in the battles that we're at in with them right now.”
– Doug Burgum [10:30]

He outlines the administration’s efforts to revitalize the American mining industry through initiatives like Fast 41, which expedites mining project approvals. Burgum highlights successful endeavors such as the Resolution Copper Mine in Arizona and a gold mine in California capable of extracting rare earth minerals, aiming to reduce dependency on Chinese imports and bolster national security.

5. Honoring Jocelyn Nungare and Wildlife Conservation

Timestamp: [12:52 - 15:08]

In a poignant segment, Burgum discusses the renaming of a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Refuge in honor of Jocelyn Nungare, a 12-year-old girl tragically murdered by illegal immigrants. He reflects on the personal and national significance of this act:

“It's just something that's so genuine of President Trump who generally cares about the people in our country... make sure that she's remembered forever.”
– Doug Burgum [13:45]

This initiative underscores the administration’s commitment to honoring victims of illegal immigration while promoting wildlife conservation.

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Interview with Congressman Chip Roy

1. Critique of Democratic Immigration Policies

Timestamp: [16:59 - 20:10]

The conversation shifts to immigration as Buck Sexton interviews Congressman Chip Roy. Roy vehemently criticizes Democratic approaches to immigration, particularly their support for non-citizen voting rights and relaxed border policies. He states:

“They believe that non citizens should vote. They believe that non citizens should be able to flood into the United States... They are trying to build a political base for themselves, for power. And that's it.”
– Chip Roy [17:48]

2. Structural Challenges in Immigration Enforcement

Timestamp: [19:21 - 21:38]

Roy addresses the systemic issues in immigration enforcement, highlighting the disparity between illegal entry rates and deportation capacities. He explains the impracticality of current enforcement measures:

“[Biden] let in around 10 million illegals... it would take 30 years of that to get the 10 million that just came in in the last four years.”
– Chip Roy [19:50]

He emphasizes the need for robust executive authority to manage immigration effectively, ensuring that the President can enforce removal policies with the same vigor as prior administrations allowed entry.

3. Democratic Motives and Political Power

Timestamp: [22:24 - 27:45]

Clay Travis probes deeper into Democratic strategies, particularly their actions in El Salvador to influence immigration narratives. Roy contends that Democrats prioritize political power over national security:

“They don't care. It's all about political power. It is literally all about political power.”
– Chip Roy [26:10]

He criticizes Democrats for leveraging tragic incidents to push their immigration agenda, sidelining the victims and focusing on expanding their political influence rather than addressing the root causes of illegal immigration.

4. Media Influence and Public Perception

Timestamp: [24:22 - 26:56]

Roy also touches upon the role of legacy media in shaping public opinion, particularly regarding President Biden’s mental and physical fitness. He suggests that Democrats suppress concerns about Biden to maintain his public image:

“The overwhelming motivating factor for Democrats for the last nine years has been hostility to Donald Trump. That has literally been their entire motivating factor.”
– Chip Roy [25:30]

He implies that genuine concerns about leadership are overshadowed by partisan antagonism, which hinders productive political discourse.

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Conclusion

This episode of Team 47 offers a robust exploration of pressing national issues through the perspectives of influential policymakers. Secretary Doug Burgum provides a comprehensive overview of the Interior Department’s strategic initiatives to bolster energy independence and secure America’s mineral resources. Meanwhile, Congressman Chip Roy delivers a passionate critique of Democratic immigration policies and media manipulation, advocating for stronger enforcement and realistic approaches to border security. Together, these discussions provide listeners with a nuanced understanding of the complex interplay between energy, security, and governance in contemporary America.

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Notable Quotes:

• Doug Burgum [05:15]: “Energy is the industry that supports every other. There's a component in the food you eat, the car you drive, the food on your table. There's an energy component.”

• Doug Burgum [07:55]: “If you cared about the environment, you would insist that every electron of electricity, that every ounce of a liquid fuel of any form of energy was produced here in the United States because we do it cleaner, smarter, safer, healthier than anyone else on the planet.”

• Chip Roy [17:48]: “They believe that non citizens should vote. They believe that non citizens should be able to flood into the United States... They are trying to build a political base for themselves, for power. And that's it.”

• Chip Roy [19:50]: “[Biden] let in around 10 million illegals... it would take 30 years of that to get the 10 million that just came in in the last four years.”

• Chip Roy [25:30]: “The overwhelming motivating factor for Democrats for the last nine years has been hostility to Donald Trump. That has literally been their entire motivating factor.”

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This detailed summary encapsulates the essence of the episode, providing a structured and comprehensive overview for both avid listeners and newcomers alike.

Transcript

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Team 47 with clay and Buck starts now. I covered a lot of ground this morning for breakfast in downtown Franklin, Tennessee, which is a Hallmark town if there's ever been a town. And I was with Secretary of the Interior Doug Burgum, formerly the governor of North Dakota. And you've got governor, secretary. You got so many different titles now, but we talked about a wide range of, of, of issues. But I want to start with this because I remember the first time we had you on was right after you injured yourself playing basketball during the 2024 presidential election cycle. You've now recovered from that. But you told me that back in 1998 you got to participate in Michael Jordan's basketball camp. That had to be an unbelievable opportunity. I want our audience to hear what that might have been like.

[Doug Burgum]

Well, first of all, Clay, great to have breakfast with you Pockets in your hometown. Fantastic revival, any of the great breakfast places in North Dakota. But yeah, what in a life experience to go to the Michael Jordan basketball camp. People think, oh, you're going to meet Michael Jordan. Part of the way he ran that it was 80 people over age 35. And you come and they have eight teams of 10, 16 of the top college coaches. My coaches were John Thompson and Dean Smith, my buddy from North Dakota that came to the camp with me. He had Roy Williams and Luke Olson. So we're playing for national championship coaches. I mean, there was one instance we're in a quote game and I got Dean Smith and John Thompson chatting on the sidelines with each other, not even paying attention to us guys out there on the floor, we're playing Coach K. And I was point or I called the timeout and the coach was a little upset. He's like, what do you think your coach now? And I said, he said, do you like getting yelled at? I said, well, I think it could help. We're down three in a close game and this is the only chance I'm Ever going to say I was able to play in a team that beat Coach K, but what an. What an experience.

[Clay Travis]

Well, Doug, it's Buck. I didn't get to have breakfast with you, but maybe you'll come down to Miami beach sometime. We can go get some ceviche or something. And I want to ask you about your portfolio as Interior Secretary, which doesn't get as much, I think, attention in the news as some of the other major agencies of the federal government. But it is a vast. A vast entity, vast organization with a lot of really important responsibilities. A lot of people think of national parks, but you've also got mining rights. I mean, you got a whole range of things, and we don't have time to go over all of it, obviously. I want you to tell me, what are your top priorities right now? I mean, I know you're working with Tyler Hassan. Funny story. Tyler and I went to school together in New York. We were little kids a long time ago. So I haven't seen him in a while, but he's a Doge guy. So there's a cleaning up, an efficiency part of this. There's a mining part of this. What are the top priorities for the Interior Secretary right now?

[Doug Burgum]

Well, it's as simple as this. I mean, we're supporting President Trump's agenda to bring peace abroad, which is, you know, end the wars against us and around the world that are be funding. They're all being funded, whether it's 24 terrorist groups being funded by Iran or the conflicts in Eastern Europe being funded by Russia's oil sales. You know, we need to be in a position with energy dominance, where we're selling energy to our friends and allies so they don't have to buy it from our adversaries so that we can fund both sides of a war. But when we do that, we also are bringing prosperity at home. Because energy is not just an industry. Energy is the industry that supports every other. There's a component in the food you eat, the car you drive, the food on your table. There's an energy component. We bring energy prices down. We bring the price of everything down. We bring prosperity at home. And then you say, well, what does interior have to do with this? Well, with the vision of early leadership, and then certainly expanded by Theodore Roosevelt. The United States of America. The balance sheet of the United States of America, a lot of that in Interior, 500 million acres of surface land, 700 million acres of subsurface filled with rich minerals and energy sources, and then 2.5 billion offshore. If Interior was a standalone company, it would have the largest balance sheet of anyone in the world, any company in the world. And we all hear about every election cycle, oh, this United States woe is us. We got $36.5 trillion in debt. And, yeah, we've got to stop spending more each fiscal year than we bring in, start paying down the debt. But the asset side of the balance sheet could be triple what we have there. We could have $100 trillion of assets. So one of the things that we're working on is trying to actually, for the first time, build out the balance sheet of America so we can see just how wealthy we are. And then, of course, using these resources for the benefit and the use of the American people. That's what they were put away for these public lands. And under Obama and Biden, they were going to make sure that we didn't cut a tree. They killed the timber industry. We weren't going to do mining. We weren't going to develop our energy resources, whether it's oil or gas or coal. Now we find ourselves in this battle with China, where they're controlling 85% of the processing of rare earths and critical minerals, which we need for defense and electronics. And so this is literally when I say peace abroad, prosperity at home. Interior is right in the mix of the fight on all the core principles of President Trump's agenda.

[Buck Sexton]

We're talking to Secretary of the Interior Doug Burgum. One thing that I think is so incredibly important, and some people get it, but others do not, and we were talking about it, some at breakfast, is a lot of these climate change zealots have bought into a process by which they restrict our ability to create clean oil and gas. Here I say clean relative to international standards. And instead of allowing us to produce it here, they then buy it, oftentimes from our enemies that use the money they make from our oil and gas purchases to work against American interest. And it's also produced much less refined. It's dirtier, in other words, and worse for the environment. So they think they are being morally superior, but they're actually creating a dynamic of oil and gas purchase that makes the world worse, less clean, and also gives more power to authoritarians who bear us ill will. Can you break that down a little bit more? Because I think it's so important for people to understand. And as Secretary of the Interior, it's a huge part of what you do.

[Doug Burgum]

Well, it was a fantastic summary. And again, this. Yeah, like most recently, the Biden climate extremism, you know, they claimed they were saving the planet, but they weren't doing anything to diminish demand. They were just shifting supply. And when you shift supply away from the US to our adversaries who do not approach it with the same care, because if you cared about the environment, you would insist that every electron of electricity, that every ounce of a liquid fuel of any form of energy was produced here in the United States because we do it cleaner, smarter, safer, healthier than anyone else on the planet. And so again, you get these bizarre things were, hey, I'm going to block a pipeline going through New York of clean natural gas from Pennsylvania going into New England. We're going to vote that down because the state of New York and we believe we're saving the planet. Meanwhile, because they do that now in the state of Maine, 80% of the homes are heated by heating oil. 41% of the homes in New Hampshire. At the time of the Russian invasion of New Hampshire, we were offloading in our country 400,000 barrels a day equivalent of dirty Russian heating oil to heat homes in New England because we couldn't get clean Pennsylvania, US Natural gas to them, because we're going to block a pipeline. I mean, the absurdities and essentially the lie around somehow stopping energy production or transportation in America was good for the global environment or good for our environment. None of that's true. It's all false. And then it raises the price. I mean, the price of natural gas in New England in some places is triple what it is in Pennsylvania. And that's so unfair to Americans. Low priced energy is what's going to bring manufacturing back onshore. It's what's going to help us win the arms race against China. It's what's going to help, you know, people pay their bills and it's going to bring down even the price of groceries when we have lower energy prices. So again, we're, we're in a battle of common sense here and we're fighting for every American because every American deserves to have access to clean, low cost, affordable, reliable energy.

[Clay Travis]

We're speaking to Interior Secretary Doug Burgum and Mr. Secretary, Rare Earth minerals getting a lot of attention these days, particularly because of the back and forth with China and the trade negotiations and where we get our rare earth minerals from. First, how does that play into, I mean, maybe you give us a few things. Why do we need them? How does China play into this? And how do we get more rare earth minerals here, domestic sources in America?

[Doug Burgum]

Well, the. Because as I said earlier, the massive amounts of federal and public lands that we have, 700 million acres, a lot of it in the western United States that are these public lands that are rich with all kinds of minerals and whether they're minerals, critical minerals, rare earth minerals, I mean, anything, copper, silver, gold, but all the things we need, antimony we need for ammunition. There's other things that we need just to be able to manage electronic and defense sectors. China has been well here at home with Obama, Biden declaring a war on, on mining in our country, just like they had a war on, on oil and oil and gas production. We are, you know, turning that around 180 degrees. So in addition to drill baby drill with President Trump, we've got a mine, baby mine. And to do that, we've got to be able to permit and we've got to be able to actually be able to get capital from the private sector going to work. We have literally killed the mining industry in this, in this country. And of course, China has exploited that. They now control, as I said earlier, 85% of the processed rare earth minerals that we need. It's a lever that they can use in the battles that we're at in with them right now. And so we've got to get ourselves back in this game and we've got to make sure that we're supporting that. But under President Trump, it's starting to happen. And whether that is, you know, again, coal. We need coal for two reasons. We need for producing electricity, we also need it. There's metallurgical coal. In that, metallurgical coal, there are rare earth minerals that we need and there's base materials like coke, which we need for steel making in this country. We, I was, I was, you know, we had a thing called Fast 41 that we discovered it was a way to speed up projects. There only been two mining projects ever put on there. President Trump put 10 on there last week. There's dozens more that, that are coming soon. Resolution copper mine, 30 year saga of trying to get a permit to start. We tackled this right after President Trump, he put out the executive orders. We have an energy emergency. We need to expedite this stuff in three months. Now we've got approvals for starting of the Resolution Copper Mine in Arizona. And then again at a rare earth mining operation, there's a gold mine in California. They can also pull rare earth minerals out of that same operation. We're fast tracking all of that. So we're working around the clock to get back in the mining game, because if we don't, this is A situation where again, we could end up losing our technology is better, our resources is better, everything we've got is better. But because of bureaucracy and ideology around climate, we end up losing this AI arms race to China. That would be a sad thing.

[Buck Sexton]

Last question for you. You are going to be, I believe you're going to be bringing a new park into the country and it's one that President Trump announced earlier this year down in Texas with Jocelyn Nungare and her family. What can you tell us about what you're doing there?

[Doug Burgum]

Well, we're heading, we'll be there tomorrow. And this is a existing U.S. fish and Wildlife refuge that had a, is being rename honor of Jocelyn Nungare. And of course, unfortunately, America knows her story. 12 year old, beautiful young woman who was tragically and horribly murdered and killed by illegal immigrants. President Trump acknowledged her mother and her sister, they were present at the, in the house chambers when he was giving his joint address to the two chambers this year. Touching moment for sure. Any of us that are parents, hard to, hard to think about what it would be like to lose your 12 year old daughter for any reason but for those reasons in particular. But she loved, loved wildlife and loved the outdoors and President Trump wants to make sure that she's remembered forever. And so we're renaming this US Fish and Wildlife Refuge. We changed the name on the electronic maps the day after he gave that beautiful speech that he delivered to the whole country but will be there tomorrow with the family. Many extended family members. Could be more than 20 people from the Nungare family there, including Jocelyn's mother and sister and others. And we'll be there in person and we're going through the physical renaming of all the signage around the park and we'll be there and I'm sure that's going to be a touching moment for all involved. But again, it's just something that's so genuine of President Trump who, who generally cares about the people in our country and that's why he's fighting so hard every day to make sure that we've got safe and secure borders and that we've, you know, bring peace to the world.

[Clay Travis]

Secretary of the Interior Doug Bergam, appreciate you being with us, sir. Thank you so much.

[Doug Burgum]

Well, great to be with both of you and look forward to be back on and thank you both for all you do and helping, helping inspire America to be, to be reach our fullest potential, whether it's the parents or as a country. So thanks for all you do, gentlemen.

[Buck Sexton]

Thank you.

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[Buck Sexton]

In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a.

[Clay Travis]

Massive scandal that looked like it might.

[Buck Sexton]

Bring down his presidency.

[Chip Roy]

Did you make a mistake in sending.

[Doug Burgum]

Arms to Tehran, sir? No.

[Buck Sexton]

It became known as the Iran Contra affair.

[Doug Burgum]

And I'm not taking any more questions. In just a second I'm going to ask.

[Clay Travis]

I'm Leon Naifak, co creator of Slow Burn.

[Buck Sexton]

In my podcast Fiasco Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today.

[Chip Roy]

The things that happened were so bizarre.

[Doug Burgum]

And insane, I can't begin to tell you.

[Clay Travis]

Please do.

[Buck Sexton]

To hear the whole story.

[Clay Travis]

Listen to Fiasco Iran Contra on the.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

We got Congressman Chip Roy with us now. Sorry I got my guest time slots confused here, but he's fantastic and we appreciate him being here with us. Congressman Roy, appreciate you. And let's talk about this. Why are your colleagues all of a sudden taking these taxpayer funded boondoggles down to El Salvador? What do they think they're going to prove with this?

[Chip Roy]

Well, I was kind of hoping we're going to talk about A and M&UT baseball in Austin, but we'll, we'll get to that in a little bit. But, but look, we've got, we've got. My Democratic colleagues are doing what they do best right now. And what I mean by that is they very much believe, and I believe they mean this, they believe that non citizens should vote. They believe that non citizens should be able to flood into the United States, frankly at whatever level they see fit, regardless of the law. And they believe that they're in better standing to try to go defend somebody who has very obvious ties to Ms. 13 with two courts having acknowledged that very strong reality or likelihood. And they're fine going down to try to defend them rather than standing up for the Americans who were hurt. Now, I mean A lot of people have been saying this. I mean, nothing new about what I'm saying. But look, I got to be very personal here. When I've gotten to know Alexis nungre, the wonderful 28 year old woman whose daughter Jocelyn was murdered last summer by Trende in Agua outside of Houston, that's a real person, a real individual who lost their life directly as a consequence of the people released into our country. And now Democrats want to go to El Salvador to hold up as the poster child an individual who has an order of removal, who was had his wife go like file charges against him, who was stopped transporting a carload of illegals in a car and who has known affiliation with MS.13. And that is the poster child for who Democrats would have put front and center. Not Rachel Moran and her family, not Jocelyn Nungray's family, not Kayla Hamilton's family. And that's how out of touch Democrats are. But the good news is President Trump is trying to do the right thing and Republicans in Congress hopefully are waking up to try to support what President Trump is doing.

[Buck Sexton]

How much of this is just a big structural issue? We were talking earlier in the show, Congressman, about the fact that this is just basically a math problem. If Biden is going to have, as he did, let in around 10 million illegals, and if you look at the rate with which Trump is able to deport, let's say he's going to be able to get 350,000 people from inside the country out. Basic math would say it would take 30 years of that to get the 10 million that just came in in the last four years. To say nothing of all the people who've come in before. How much of this is structural in that the President has to have the ability to get people out of the country as easily as the prior president had to let people into the country. That's the real battle here in essence, isn't it?

[Chip Roy]

Yeah, that's very well stated. And so for those of us who in 2019, 2020, even under the Trump administration, who was dealing with the complexities of the law to try to secure the border himself, and ultimately Covid was a part of that as well. But then all through the Biden administration, when we were all saying, guys, they're doing this on purpose, they're violating and abusing parole and asylum in our country, we put in place these laws to try to help people and they're abusing these to flood the zone. It's intentional because they know how hard it will be to remove them right now think about this. Democrats are doubling down on this guy. Imagine what they'll do when it is the, you know, grandmother, you know, who is not a criminal or doesn't have a criminal history, who came here illegally and was wrongfully paroled into the United States, put ahead of other people flooding our zone, burdening our systems and Medicaid and hospital and all that, but isn't a criminal. You know how that will go. And to your point about the numbers, okay, this is why the president and why his team are fighting this so hard. The president needs to have significant authority and I believe does, to push back and release people who were wrongfully put into the United States who are citizens of other countries. It is the only way to have a sovereign nation. I believe that the president, I believe the vice president, I believe Stephen Miller, I believe Tom Homan. I believe they are all correct when they are trying to push back on that notion.

[Clay Travis]

Speaking to Congressman Chip Roy out of Texas, Congressman, and what is it that they. I asked Clay this yesterday. We tried to walk through this. So to make the Democrats who were going down to El Salvador, not for vacation, but to meet with Abrego Garcia to make them happy, Trump would negotiate a, I guess a deal or put in a request with Bukele, the president of El Salvador, to bring this illegal back to America so that then we could say, hey, he's an illegal and send him back to El Salvador. Or is it just that they want to bring him back and then try to jam up the process so he gets to stay? Like, what is their preferred outcome?

[Chip Roy]

The goal of Democrats is to empower courts to be able to process every single individual who was paroled into the United States or released into the United States under asylum laws under Biden, which is millions of people, and to be able to say that each one of them has an individual claim and due process. Right to get into court to adjudicate the claim. And I don't believe that is accurate. Right. They had an administrative process for going through and determining what their status is, but they do not. Like, this is not due process in the sense for all your listeners out there right there. These individuals aren't charged with a crime like murder as a non citizen. They come in here and they murder somebody. Or I mean, some of them are, by the way. But in this question, it's not that as to whether, okay, are they getting due process, are they getting a lawyer, Are they getting a chance to go into court and prove their guilt or innocence? This is literally a question of status and it's an administrative process and they're trying to get into court. So, yeah, I mean, Stephen Miller outlined this pretty well when you described the situation with the, with Garcia down in El Salvador is saying, well, okay, you want to fly him back here? Well, we can release him to some other country. Right. So even if you accept that we can't send him to El Salvador because he's threatened by some other gang, which was his position five years ago, he would still be deportable to another country because a judge has already issued a order of removal. And that is not, to the best of my understanding, appealable other than in the context of the administrative proceedings in question. It's not a due process claim. So this is what Democrats are trying to do. They're trying to game the system in order to achieve the objective, their objective of NGOs going into court and filing suit on every individual who is released into our country. So the president cannot release or remove them by class as Joe Biden allowed them to come in by class.

[Buck Sexton]

Congressman Chip Roy with us right now. Earlier this show, we started off with a clip that I bet you've seen that has gone viral of Elizabeth Warren trying to explain why she in any way backed the mental and physical fitness of Joe Biden. I'm curious, what is the long term fallout in your mind of the biggest lie that's been told in a very, very long time when it comes to the legacy media? And also behind the scenes, were Democrats in Congress, were they acknowledging that they thought there were issues with Biden but they wouldn't say it publicly? How much discussion do you think there was among Democrats about what all of us, and certainly we've been talking about on this show for years, could clearly see.

[Chip Roy]

Well, to the second question, which relates to the first, for the most part, my Democrat colleagues, I mean, I had a handful of friends who would very honestly and openly acknowledge their concerns when you'd have a private conversation, but they were very tight lipped about it publicly because the overwhelming motivating factor for Democrats for the last nine years has been hostility to Donald Trump. That has literally been their entire motivating factor. So it did not matter to them that Joe Biden was very clearly mentally not present. I don't know if you all remember, but last July after the debate, I.

[Buck Sexton]

Think we lost it there for a sec. It broke up. See if we can get him back here a sec to finish up the interview. The other thing that's, that's floating around out there, Buck, is all these books coming out. I wonder on some level whether the Abreu Garcia conversation and everything else is a desperate attempt to keep people from looking at all of these stories that come out. I understand it's in the past, but it's such a miscalculation to me to focus on Abreu Garcia as the front facing element of the Trump deportation policies that I just find it almost incomprehensibly dumb that this could be as calculated of a decision as it appears to be that you could decide, hey, this is the ground upon which we want to fight. And I think we've got Congressman Chip, Chip Roy back with us right now.

[Chip Roy]

Yeah, sorry about that, Clay. All I was saying was I introduced resolution calling on the Vice President to carry out the 25th Amendment right. And why I did that was because it was very. I wanted to call the question because it was important that the question get called. But to your point, Democrats, let's get back to the core basis which by the way, relates to the border issue and immigration. They don't care. It's all about political power. It is literally all about political power. And I wish I didn't have to say that. Right. I mean, it oughtn't to be that way. I'd be able to sit down with some of my Democrat colleagues and figure out like issues that are important for our people. But right now it is animus towards Trump and it is about opening the floodgates to people to try to build a political base for themselves, for power. And that's it. That is driving everything they are doing. It's about political power.

[Clay Travis]

Congressman Roy, appreciate you being with us, sir. Thank you.

[Chip Roy]

Thanks guys.

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