Clay Travis (5:17)

Yeah. And it is, I think true, if you look at the data that the die hard left wing crazy town base of the Democrats does better at showing up on special elections than the average Republican voter does. They're super committed for these things that a lot of people don't pay attention to. They do better at primary turnout. They do better in special elections. We do better as a party in midterms when they're actually big midterms in election now with presidential races, the turnout is very good, but don't get caught napping. And to your point, I mean, think about that nearly, I'm always bad at math. Live, we're talking about 20 to 1 being outspent in that Florida 6th congressional district. So they think they can steal it. And by the way, also, if you're up on the panhandle, get out and vote as well. Again, I don't think we're pressing the alarm too soon, but if, if they were super confident of about their majority, Elise Stefanik wouldn't be stepping down from the UN Ambassador position.

Buck Sexton (6:22)

But I will make this, I'll make this prediction right now so we can log this as a prediction. Elise Stefanik in the after this next cycle is going to end up getting something even more exciting in the Trump administration than a US Ambassador to the UN Role, which is, which is high up there, obviously. But I think she could be in line for something even a little more exciting because for her to obviously voluntarily say, okay, okay, I'm not going to take the, that U.S. ambassador to the UN role, I'm going to stay in Congress. No offense to Congress, but there's a lot of them, they're, they're, they're making some kind of a sweetheart deal for her to, to, to do what's right for the team. And I think she's willing to do that.

Clay Travis (7:04)

And again, I don't want to speculate on who. I also think, Buck, this tells us that there may be some health issues in the larger Republican caucus because it only takes again, we've seen this happen. Look at what happened with Dianne Feinstein at the end of her tenure as the senator from California. What's happened with Mitch McConnell and his health, the falls that he's had. When you start getting people in their 70s and 80s. This is one of the dangers of having a gerontocracy when it comes to leadership. People age differently, as many of you know. But you can go from very healthy in your 70s to really in dire straits very quickly. And there are a lot of people in their 70s and 80s who are a part of our leadership. And so when you got a margin this fine, this tiny, I think that that everybody needs to make sure and make certain that they make rational, good decisions and get out and vote in these. In these races.

Buck Sexton (8:03)

So this also is a powerful reminder that while we sit here and it has been, there's been a little bit of political euphoria in the first 60 days of Trump's term because of the team he's assembled and the accomplishments they're racking up and the focus, the messaging. It's been, this is fantastic stuff. Ok, They've been doing everything that we want them to do and then some. But remember, from the beginning, we said they really have 12 to 18 months to save the country or to make meaningful, lasting change for the United States in very positive ways. This, this midterm election is gonna be. It's gonna be a dogfight. It just is. That's the reality of being the party in power. And it's not like we're going into it with 15 or 20 seats of majority. So on the Senate side, I think it looks a lot better. But if Democrats were to take the House, oh, my gosh, they, you know, the hearings, they would, they'll find something. They'll be having hearings on signal Gate, you know, and how it's, you know, the whole thing. They're just going to go into anything to slow down and mess up. Trump is justified and necessary. So it's, it reminds us all that there is a finite window here to get very important stuff done to fix the country. Hopefully, it doesn't become an issue because we keep the majority and Trump can keep doing great stuff, but you can't. You can't plan on that. You got to plan on getting it done now.

Clay Travis (9:29)

You're listening to Team 47 with clay and Buck. Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky joins us now. Senator, we got a lot to dive into with you. Appreciate you joining us. Let me just start here, right off the top. How is the budget and border bill process going? How does the timeline look to you? How would you assess it? At this point?

Rand Paul (9:56)

I'm worried, I'm very worried that they're wanting to add $5 trillion to the debt ceiling. All the good news. We've heard about Elon Musk, about cutting contracts and cutting foreign aid, all that has been so energizing to our base, to conservatives like me, we jump for joy, we cheer. And then they say, well, but the bill's going to increase the debt ceiling by 5 trillion. We say, well, how is that possible? We thought we were cutting spending. Why would we increase it? More than $2 trillion a year for the next two and a half years. And there's not a good explanation. And so I've told them, I won't vote for any bill that adds 5 trillion to the deficit that's not fiscally conservative. Now I'll vote for the tax cuts. I voted for them in 2017. I'll vote to make the tax cuts permanent. I'll vote for spending cuts, but I didn't vote for the spending. And I'm damn sure not voting for adding $5 trillion to the national debt. I just think that's outrageous. And people are going to wake up. People who listen to your show are going to wake up in a couple of months from now and say, my gosh, I thought we voted for something conservative. I thought Doge was cutting all this spending. And yet they're still going to add 2 trillion to the debt this year. Something's not right.

Buck Sexton (11:09)

You know, Senator Paul, appreciate you being with us. We've played for the audience some sound bites from years past when people like Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama and and other very high profile Democrats talked about stopping fraud, waste and abuse in government spending, reining in unnecessary spending. So we know that they've said stuff like that. But to where we are right now, it seems like everything that Doge tries to do in terms of recommendations to the President and then everything that Trump tries to do to rein in that spending, Democrats oppose. Are there any Democrats in the Senate who, who do want to cut spending? In all honesty, is there anyone who actually wants to see that number go down for anything other than the military?

Rand Paul (11:56)

Zero. Nada. No Democrat in the entire body of Congress will vote to cut even a dollar. So I had an amendment last week that would have cut about, oh, 16 billion out of foreign aid. Foreign aid is about 40 billion. I would have cut 16 billion. So a little less than half. This was to represent what Doge was doing, what Elon Musk had proposed, what really Secretary Rubio has already said, he's canceling these contracts. I would just put it into law. Zero Democrats voted for that. But even worse, about half the Republicans voted against me as well. I got a little over half of the Republicans with me, about half the Republicans against me. And the reason I put it forward was to show that even low hanging fruit, even $2 million for sex changes in Guatemala, $300,000 for food justice for queer and trans farmers, crazy stuff like that, you can't even get all of the Republicans on board, but you get zero Democrats. So we still have a problem. And I'm the Lonely voice crying out on this because people, people are going to be disappointed and they're going to be upset and they're going to be saying what happened? What happened to the Republicans? When the end of the year rolls around and there's still a $2 trillion deficit this year and the Republicans are anticipating another 2 trillion the next year, that just shows that there is not a true seriousness even on the Republican side.

Clay Travis (13:29)

How much of this is the embedded cost of COVID becoming standardized in budgets going forward? Because we had Senator Ron Johnson on and he's talked about this qu that if we just went back to budget spending 2019, that we would have a balanced budget right now. And I know inflation has risen since then and that there are other costs that continue to grow. But it does seem that the growth of the federal government has now been embedded, which is what Democrats wanted in all future budget bills. With the idea being anything that doesn't continue to grow those rates is considered to be a massive cut.

Rand Paul (14:07)

I think that's true during pandemic, you know, the deficit went up to three and a half trillion in a year. The deficits have come down. Yes. Remember Biden was bragging he's bringing the deficit down.

Brad Schimmel (14:17)

Yeah.

Rand Paul (14:17)

Well, from three and a half trillion to two trillion. But a lot of that spending got embedded into government and still there. But realize that those pandemic programs, all those free money that was passed out, all the checks that were passed out, that was all the Democrats and most of the Republicans, that was a bipartisan screw up, if you will, to lock the economy down, just print up money. I opposed every bit of it, every bit of the CARES program, the ppp. I said, you shouldn't lock us down, we shouldn't do this. And we did. And that's part of it. But part of it is this disconnect that people will say, oh, they love Elon Musk, they love the cuts. And they're not for, you know, transgender surgery in Guatemala, they're not for all these crazy trans operas in Colombia. But when push comes to shove, there are at least 10 or 15 Republicans in the Senate who love foreign aid. They think it's the best thing since sliced bread. I think it's one of the worst and most egregious of all the spending we have in Congress. And yet if they won't cut that, you then say, well, will you cut any of the entitlements? Will you look at Medicare or Medicaid or Social Security or food stamps or welfare? Oh, no, they're not looking at that either. And you start to wonder, are these Republicans really conservative at this point? And mind you, there are zero Democrats. I admit that there are zero Democrats. But we're trying to pass something this spring that will be only Republican votes, and yet we can't get Republican votes even to have the states pay more of their fair share. So Medicaid, normally it's 50. 50 states pay 50. Federal government pays 50. But when they expanded Obamacare, they expanded Medicaid and they made it 90% federal government paid for and 10% states. If we just went back to 50, 50 saves a half a trillion dollars for the federal government and it makes it a more conservative program because the states traditionally have to balance their budgets. They don't have a Federal Reserve. And yet we've got five or ten Republicans in the Senate that won't consider any changes to having the states pay more of their fair share for Medicaid.

Buck Sexton (16:24)

Speaking of Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky, Senator, is there anything that the Trump administration you think could do or you'd like to see them do? Whether it's leading the charge to try to get something through involving the Congress or just in an executive capacity using executive orders to try to tackle some of these problems? Because on the one hand, it's great that we have an administration that's trying and you're trying. But on the other hand, if this doesn't work with Trump and Elon, people like you in the Senate, what hope is there for it to get better in the future?

Rand Paul (16:58)

Yeah. So I don't blame the administration at all. This is the best administration we've had in a lifetime. He's picked the best Cabinet. They are action players. They're not waiting around. I was with Robert Kennedy for breakfast this morning. Says he's got 10 to 20,000 workers over there. They're consolidating programs. They are doing what you would do as a CEO to clean house. So I don't blame the executive branch at all. The one thing they could do, though, is, is as they're finding savings. Doge says they've saved 140 some odd billion dollars. They should send that money back to Congress. It's called rescission. It has a special name, but it can be voted on by a simple majority. And some of them say, well, we're worried that four or five of the big government Republicans in the Senate won't vote for it. That's when President Trump should use his political capital. He should come to Capitol Hill and say, I'm sending you 50 billions in cuts every month. I'm going to send you another 50 billion in cut and I need you as Republicans to pull together on it. Instead, the pressure is coming to me to say, why won't you vote for a spending bill that attaches 5 trillion in new borrowing? And it's like, really, it seems like we're at odd purposes here that on the one hand you have Elon Musk and Doge cutting, on the other hand, they're pressuring conservatives like me to vote for 5 trillion in borrowing. Something doesn't fit here.

Clay Travis (18:22)

You see the New York Times over the weekend, ten days ago or so, five year anniversary of COVID I know you haven't forgotten about it, said that we were misled by where Covid might have come from. And in some of our responses we were.

Rand Paul (18:38)

We were misled by the New York Times.

Clay Travis (18:40)

That's right. I want to give you an opportunity to tee off on that because you were one of the first people to test positive for Covid. And the way that you were treated, the way your family was treated, frankly, was unacceptable. And now, five years later, I do find it very interesting that the New York Times, like you said, comes out and says, oh, you know, we were misled. It's like the arsonist saying, boy, somebody's really lighting fires around here.

Rand Paul (19:05)

Well, the next step, you know, to sort of coming clean would be to say not only were misled, but we were misled by our government and by media establishment figures who parroted every move and word of Anthony Fauci. He was wrong virtually on everything. Six foot of distance, he's now admitted, doesn't work. But actually it was bad advice. It was probably bad advice if you were older and overweight or of any kind of sickly nature to be 30ft from somebody in a closed room during the height of the pandemic, you probably should have been told to stay home. But six feet of distance, you didn't need that for kids at all. You can put them all together because guess what? Kids got it very readily, but they got over it very readily. So the idea that kids were a danger and somehow shouldn't be in school or should be six feet apart, we should build these monstrous thousand acre schools so the kids can all be six feet apart. No science behind it. And it led to bad behavior on the form of adults who were at risk and then inappropriate separation and school closure on the other end. The masks, they told people wearing a cloth mask was a good idea. So elderly people went in to feed their elderly spouse with A cloth mask on, guess what? That's bad medical advice. That's how you catch COVID The cloth masks don't work at all. But they went years telling people inappropriate, unhealthy behavior. And then the one thing they really failed on was once you got Covid, they should have reassured you that you didn't need a mask, you didn't have to worry about catching it again, and that the chances of you dying were basically zero. After you've got it and recovered, the chance of getting it again and dying are virtually zero. And there were a lot of good hard working people, people working in meatpacking factories where they all got Covid early on. Instead of bundling them up and all this hot clothing, we should have been saying, the good news is when you come back from work, when you're fueled up in a week or two, guess what? You're not going to get it again. And you don't have to wear all this BS protective gear.

Buck Sexton (21:04)

Is there anything that can be done or you think will be done? You said you just had breakfast this morning with RFK Jr. He was running HHS. I worry, Doc, that, well, you are doc as well as a senator, so. But I worry that the doctors out there and the medical establishment has not been forced to finally admit that they were wrong. And as a matter of government administrative policy, have these things changed? I mean, it should now be to me at least HHS should have officially. Hey, guys, we looked at all the data. Masks don't work. This is on the HHS website. Just so you know. Is that coming?

Rand Paul (21:43)

You know, that's a good point. And I'm going to keep fighting that battle as well. But the other way to correct it is like all the soldiers that were fired, they are giving them, you know, the Trump administration's position now, and I think it was done by executive orders to let them get their jobs back. We should do that to the doctors and nurses that were fired as well. So think about it. The doctors and nurses, if you were a doctor working in February, March of 2020, it was a pretty potent disease then, and there were doctors who died. But if you risked your life to help people, you got Covid, you survived and you came back to work. And then they said, oh, you're fired because you don't have a vaccine. You're like, well, wait a minute, I got the disease. Why would I need to get vaccinated if I already got the disease? And you use common sense on them and they fired you. Those people ought to be reinstated. There's still thousands of doctors and nurses. Now, in some states, we tried to fix some of this. In Florida, they passed a law that said you cannot take a doctor's license for speech. Now, that would seem to be pretty obvious, but many states, including California, were saying, if you were to say things that I said often, that children don't need to be vaccinated for Covid, they would say, oh, that's. You can't say that. And they would try to take my license away. Nobody did. But in California, they did to other doctors who were saying similar things. There's a lot of things that need to be corrected. I think we've learned some lessons, but I fear one, we're still paying for research that could turn into this nightmare again. Gain of function research still happening in the US and outside the US Funded by taxpayers. I'm still working on getting that stopped. But also, we need to make sure that the essence of medical freedom exists in our country and that people are allowed to make choices for themselves and not be bullied.

Buck Sexton (23:30)

Senator Paul, always appreciate you making the time for us. Thank you.

Rand Paul (23:34)

Thanks, guys.

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Clay Travis (24:37)

You're listening to Team 47 with clay and Buck. We also have a major judicial election in the state of Wisconsin, probably the number one battleground state in all the nation right now, Wisconsin, decided by 30,000 votes for president Trump. Every single Senate seat Comes down to the margins. Our friend Eric Hovdi lost by a tiny pin prick. Our friend Ron Johnson won by a small margin up there. I mean, it is just an absolute battleground of all battlegrounds. And we are joined now by the latest battleground race, which is the Republican side, Judge Schimmel running for reelection, running for election to the Wisconsin Supreme Court. For people out there, Judge Schimmel, who don't understand what the stakes are, all over the country, money is being spent on this race. But certainly everybody in Wisconsin needs to get out and vote because we know this is gonna be close. We've got a monster audience in Wisconsin. We love all of you. We hung out with you at the rnc, have had a fabulous time. Judge Schimmel, what do they need to know about this race and its importance?

Brad Schimmel (25:49)

Well, first off, it's great to be on with you. I am part of that major audience in Wisconsin every day. My, my lunch break, between my morning trial calendar and afternoon trial calendar, I've got you guys tuned in every day. So it's great.

Clay Travis (26:03)

Thank you for that.

Brad Schimmel (26:04)

Yeah. What's at stake today? What's at stake in this race? The liberals have taken over the Wisconsin Supreme Court and they are using it as a way to take over the United States Congress right now. My opponent was on a national zoom call with billionaire liberal donors from across the country offering up, if she gets on the court, she will turn two Republican congressional seats into Democrat congressional seats. And now the House Minority leader, Hakeem Jeffries, just earlier this week confirmed the same thing. They're using this court to change the district maps for congressional seats, to gerrymander them into seats that are better for Democrats. You know, the really interesting thing is as Hakeem Jeffries complained about these maps in Wisconsin, he said they were gerrymandered. The maps in Wisconsin for our congressional seats were drawn by Democrat Governor Tony Evers. These aren't Republican maps. But what they're learning, what they found out is that they move the maps to make them harder for Republicans. And those Republicans still won because they're. Because Democrat ideas, the liberal ideas are not prevailing with Wisconsin voters. We're tired of this nonsense. Well, they got that. They got it handed back to them last November. So now they're going to work harder to make these seats even tougher by using the court to do it. That's why this got nationalized.

Buck Sexton (27:22)

What would also have, what would be the other implications for. Obviously, the congressional issue is front and center right now. My understanding is Elon is going to be helping to campaign in this, this is truly getting national level attention right now because Wisconsin, such an important state, such a critical swing state for both congressional control in the midterms and then as we know, in the next election cycle, Wisconsin is going to be a battleground again. In addition to the congressional gerrymandering concern, what are some of the other things that will come before this court and if it were a left leaning court, could be problems to take Wisconsin in the wrong direction, whether it's just in the day to day business of it or in the next presidential election cycle.

Brad Schimmel (28:07)

Well, this court's already been messing with voter integrity laws. They, they created a new, a new way of looking at our Wisconsin statute that permits these ballot drop boxes that can be put out. The legislature did not authorize that. This court decided they want them because it opens up opportunities for fraud. It opens up all sorts of opportunities for ballot harvesting which would be illegal in Wisconsin. But those are the things they want, they want to get rid of that. We have got major battles dealing with the relative powers between the legislative and executive branch in Wisconsin, similar to what's going on at the national level between President Trump battling out between what is his authority as the chief executive versus what some of these district courts are doing. We're seeing those same kind of battles happening in Wisconsin. They're going to go after our voter ID law. They're going to go after our, we call it Act 10. It's a law that you may remember back in 2011, all those huge protests at the Wisconsin Capitol, those are over Act 10. Act 10 put some limits on the, on the negotiating powers of public employee unions. Has nothing to do with private sector unions, just public employee unions who are effectively negotiating with themselves. We're looking, estimates say that that's going to cost Wisconsin taxpayers what we've say that law has saved them in over $30 billion. We're looking at that being turned right back to taxpayers. If that comes down. These are the issues that are going to be in front of this court. Opponent was the, the lead lawyer going after Act 10 when she was in private practice. She was a lead lawyer going after our voter ID law. She called it draconian. These are all issues that are going to end up in this court. And she's out signaling file these lawsuits and you'll get a good turnout.

Clay Travis (29:55)

We're talking to Judge Brad Schimmel. If Trump's voters turn out, you will win. Democrats very often are better at the special elections at these non traditional, let's call it that voting times, what is your message to people out there who voted for Donald Trump and want Trump's agenda to be implemented? Because, as you said, if they rewrite these House districts, basically what Democrats are doing is they're thinking, we'll take away the House from Republicans and that will be the roadblock to Trump's agenda. Have I gotten that right? But I think that's important for you to kind of lay out for people who may not understand the larger stakes here.

Brad Schimmel (30:37)

Yeah, I think that's why President Trump has weighed in on this race. When we talked last Friday, before he announced his endorsement, he asked me straight up, Brad, what do you think about activist judges? And I told him, Mr. President, the whole reason I'm running is to end the reign of activist judges on our Wisconsin Supreme Court. We have to restore our courts to objectivity. Judges who will follow the law, not make the law from the bench. And that was when President Trump said, well, good then, Brad, you've got my full and complete endorsement. We have to prevent the movement that is restoring America from bypassing Wisconsin because we've got partisan judges on our Supreme Court who are just doing everything they can to put up a roadblock to everything that conservatives try to do to make our state stronger and better and more prosperous and safer. My opponent is a. A horrible Madison leftist who has had a terrible record on criminal sentencing. She goes way back. She was chief legal counsel for former Democrat Governor Jim Doyle, who did a lot of damage to our state. She was leading the charge on all that as his attorney.

Buck Sexton (31:46)

We're speaking to Brad Schimmel, Judge Simmel, who is running for this critical Wisconsin state Supreme Court seat. And this election is coming up in just a matter of days. It is very tight right now, and it's very important for not just the future of Wisconsin as a state, but the future of the United States Congress and the control thereof for the Trump agenda. So as goeth Wisconsin, perhaps so goeth the Congress. It is very important for all of us to understand what these, what these stakes are. And to that end. To that end, Judge Schimmel, I'm wondering, what kind of money are the Democrats throwing into this and what are some of the. We know that this is one of these situations where they're going to pretend, oh, it's just all about Wisconsin from the Democrat side, but they're getting New York money, Hollywood money. All over the country. They're piling in, I'm sure. So what are the numbers like and what are you seeing?

Brad Schimmel (32:38)

How about. How about this number four out of five donors to my opponent don't live in Wisconsin.

Buck Sexton (32:45)

There we go.

Clay Travis (32:46)

That's crazy.

Brad Schimmel (32:47)

That is shocking. Right? But another number that's great for me, I've got over 75% of the sitting sheriffs in Wisconsin are publicly endorsing me, meaning Democrat and Republican sheriffs, because they know my work as attorney General and as a former district attorney in one of our biggest counties in the state. I've got every single law enforcement organization in Wisconsin is publicly endorsing my campaign. That means. That means the organizations representing over 16,000 frontline law enforcement officers are publicly backing me. She's got out of state people trying to buy this Supreme Court. I've got the people who take care of public safety in our state who are backing me.

Clay Travis (33:26)

We've got people listening all over the state of Wisconsin, but in particular wisn, our incredible affiliate in Milwaukee. We've been number one for a long time. They do phenomenal work. Judge Schimmel, do you think people out there are aware enough of what's going on with this race? Do you get the sense that the base is, in the same way they were in 2024, aware of the stakes or even with that money that's being spent, a lot of it against you, do you think that a lot of people still don't realize the stakes at play here and even the fact that this race is happening?

Brad Schimmel (33:58)

I knew that it was going to be tough to get that message to penetrate. That April election is every bit as important as November. So I got in this race 16 months before election Day to make sure I got campaigned in all 72 counties of our state. I have. I'm traveling constantly for this last 16 months, going and getting face to face with voters, and I think it's worked. I've never seen conservatives this fired up about a court race. They get it. We're doing. We're doing six to eight rallies every day. And at these rallies, we're getting huge turnouts. I ask people, have you lost any of your energy from November 5th? And they all yell out, no way, not an ounce. We are with you, Brad. We're fired up. And here's the great news. All we have to do, because this race has so much smaller turnout than November elections, if we turn out 60% of President Trump's voters from November 5th, I'll win this thing. And 60% is not a bad number to have to hit.

Clay Travis (34:57)

No doubt.

Buck Sexton (34:58)

Anything you want, anything you want to tell anybody about the day, the voting, voting hours, the website to go to to contribute or help out or anything like that. We just, we got a huge audience Wisconsin, particularly WISN number one there. Thank you all WISN listeners. What do people need to know to make sure we get this done and bring you over the finish line?

Brad Schimmel (35:16)

Well, check us out at shimmelforjustice.com S C H I M E L f o r justice.com and you can find out how you can help us make sure we bring home the win today is you can still go vote early today. In most communities in Milwaukee, they can vote all the way through the weekend, but most communities can't afford to have clerks work all weekend. So for most of my, most of your listeners, today is the last day to vote early and then on Tuesday. And we've got to get this done. This is going to be easy. There's the lines will be short. There will nothing bad is going to happen. And you're going to be able to wake up on April 2nd feeling great that you were part of a movement that's going to save our state, just like they were part of a movement to save our Nation back on November 5th. We've got to do this again and this is a turnout race. Got to get our people out. Every vote is going to count. You talked earlier about how close some of our races are. This one is going to be absolutely as tight as all those previous races. Show up and we'll get this done.

Clay Travis (36:16)

Judge Schimmel, get it done for him. We appreciate you listening and we love all of you in Wisconsin. We're asking you one more time, keep the battle going and help keep Donald Trump able to do the job that you elected him to do as the chief Executive judge. Thank you. Have a good weekend and good luck on Tuesday.

Brad Schimmel (36:33)

Thank you so much.

Clay Travis (36:34)

Take care, Judge Brad Schimmel, Wisconsin, Wisconsin natives, you did it for Donald Trump. You did it for Ron Johnson. You need to do it for Brad Schimmel. Get out and vote and make sure.

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