Team 47 - Swamp Monsters

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode Title: Team 47 – Swamp Monsters
Date: September 28, 2025
Hosts: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton
Featured Guests: Congressman Jim Jordan, Dr. Mehmet Oz

Episode Overview

This episode dives into a mix of political analysis, government accountability, and public health. Clay and Buck examine the controversial issue of congressional stock trading, the appearance of corruption among politicians, and recent regulatory efforts (or lack thereof) to combat these problems. The episode features an in-depth and lively interview with Congressman Jim Jordan, who weighs in on political transparency, social media censorship, airline staffing, and the state of college athletics. The latter part of the podcast turns to a medical deep-dive with Dr. Mehmet Oz, discussing new federal efforts to investigate the rise in autism and potential environmental or pharmaceutical causes, highlighting transparency and public distrust in government science.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Congressional Stock Trading Scandal – Mikie Sherrill Under Scrutiny

[02:49 – 16:51]

• New Jersey's Gubernatorial Race: Clay and Buck examine the competitiveness of New Jersey, referencing past and upcoming elections.
• Discussion of Mikie Sherrill's Wealth: Spotlight on allegations against Democratic candidate Mikie Sherrill regarding unexplained increases in reported assets and questionable stock trades while in Congress.
  • Sherrill's net worth reportedly increased from a range of ~$730k–$4.3M in 2019 to ~$12M in her most recent disclosure ([07:43]).
  • She faced fines for failing to disclose stock sales in 2021 ([08:47]).
• Systemic Corruption via Stock Trades: Both hosts strongly criticize the ability of members of Congress to trade stocks, especially in areas directly related to their committee assignments.
  • Buck: “You basically get free rein to insider trade at Congress.” ([16:47])
  • Clay: Calls out the lack of consequences and the toxic appearance of corruption: “We don’t just focus on corruption itself. We focus on the appearance of corruption because it’s so toxic to public trust.” ([11:44])
• Index Fund Proposal: Clay suggests all elected officials' holdings should be limited to index funds to avoid even the appearance of conflict.
  • Clay: “Why would we not make that standard for anybody who’s in elective office?” ([13:57])
• STOCK Act Loopholes & Ineffectiveness: The STOCK Act requires disclosure but does little to prevent potential insider trading tied specifically to political information. No member of Congress has ever been prosecuted for trading on congressional information ([16:30]).

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2. Interview with Congressman Jim Jordan

[17:42 – 30:54]

A. YouTube Content Moderation and Free Speech

• YouTube Censorship Admission: Discussion of YouTube's acknowledgment that it had censored right-leaning viewpoints, especially during COVID, and the subsequent reinstatement of banned accounts ([19:33]).
  • Jordan: “They put it in writing... you can’t lie to Congress.” ([19:33])
• Consequences for Big Tech: Clay pushes Jordan on the lack of real penalties for censorship, suggesting there ought to be a financial or legal mechanism to penalize companies infringing free speech ([21:36]).
  • Jordan: Notes legislative efforts (led by Harriet Hageman) to allow individuals to sue the government for pressured censorship; pursuing class-action strategies is “tough” but being explored ([22:27]).
  • Buck: Emphasizes the real-world costs for small creators stripped of income over “wrongthink” ([21:04]).

B. Airline Pilot Legislation

• “Let Experienced Pilots Fly” Bill: Hosts and Jordan support efforts to let experienced, older pilots stay on the job, reducing delays and improving safety ([24:27]).
  • Jordan: “To the extent that... allowing good pilots to stick around and continue to operate, I think that’s great.” ([24:54])
  • Recommends getting Transportation Chair Sam Graves on the show for more details ([25:39]).
  • Clay: Notes the bill’s popularity among Southwest pilots and the show’s audience ([25:48]).

C. College Sports Reform – The SCORE Act

• SCORE Act Discussion: Addressing transfer rules, athlete education, and parity in college sports ([26:43]).
  • Jordan: Outlines focus areas: promoting real competition, protecting non-revenue/Olympic and women’s sports, and ensuring athletes still pursue degrees ([27:17]).
  • Quote: “You don’t want to diminish opportunity for athletes... and at some point got to remember it’s supposed to be about getting an education.” ([27:17])

D. Jimmy Kimmel, Late-Night Talk & Censorship

• Media Business Decisions: Discussion on ABC, Nexstar, and Sinclair dropping Jimmy Kimmel, with Jordan arguing it was primarily a business decision, not government censorship ([29:08]).
  • Jordan: “If you’re a late-night talk show host, you should not do two things. You shouldn’t kick off half the potential audience and you should be funny.” ([29:08])
  • Tone: Emphasis on free-market, non-government intervention.

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3. Autism, Acetaminophen, and Government Transparency — Interview with Dr. Mehmet Oz

[34:10 – 48:48]

A. Autism Research Breakthroughs

• Research Investment: The Trump administration directed $50 million to fresh autism research under the HHS, led by RFK Jr. and Dr. Oz ([34:50]).
• Promising Leads: Two significant signals:
  • Leucovorin (B-vitamin therapy): Benefited about half of children in small studies; Oz suggests it is very safe ([35:20]).
  • Acetaminophen Concern: Increasing evidence links frequent use in pregnancy to higher rates of autism in children, though the warning is not categorical ([36:27]).
    • Oz: “If you have a low-grade temperature, if you stub your toe, don’t use the medication willy-nilly. Use it thoughtfully.” ([37:32])
• Rise in Autism Rates: Now 1 in 31 children diagnosed—fivefold increase over 25 years. Not likely due to genetics or changing diagnostic practices alone ([41:06]).
  • Quote: “There are some unforced errors, rookie errors. You want to avoid trusting that there's one product that's so safe that you can take it whenever...” ([39:50])
  • Oz’s stance: The rise is due to environmental and behavioral changes, not increased recognition.

B. Systemic Environmental & Parental Factors

• Pregnancy Best Practices: Dr. Oz advocates for a “minimalist” approach:
  • Avoid unnecessary drugs, alcohol, and environmental toxins
  • Use air and water purifiers
  • Don't rely on substances unless truly necessary ([41:06])
• Age of Parents & Allergies: Both tied to increases in autism and allergies; older parents are at higher risk ([46:39]).
  • Oz: “The allergy issue, I think, is a bigger problem... an epidemic of all types of allergies, which, again, is reflective of... traumatizing the fragile immune system of the child.” ([47:45])

C. Transparency & Public Trust

• Oz, on government approach: “Trust is built brick by brick by a shining light... if you mix politics and medicine, you know what you get? Politics. You kill medicine.” ([44:09])
• The administration’s policy is now to immediately release findings and bring the public into the data discussion, even at the risk of causing alarm ([35:00], [44:00]).
• Both hosts and Oz emphasize that parents deserve all available data, as “parents love their kids more than anybody” ([44:09]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Clay Travis, on congressional stock gains:
  “If you made $7 million trading the stock market, whether somebody else is making those trades on your behalf or you’re making them, I think you should know... 99.99% of people in America would know if they made $7 million or not in the stock market.” ([05:24])

• Buck Sexton, on congressional privilege:
  “You basically get a free rein to insider trade at Congress.” ([16:47])

• Jim Jordan, on YouTube censorship:
  “They put it in writing. So if in the future they go back on their word... you can’t lie to Congress.” ([19:33])

• Dr. Oz, on medical transparency:
  “Trust is built brick by brick by a shining light... if you mix politics and medicine, you know what you get? Politics. You kill medicine.” ([44:09])

• Dr. Oz, on environmental causes:
  “We are actively, of course, searching... we don’t have the luxury of bickering when you’re increasing by fivefold the incidence of a tragic condition...” ([47:45])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:49 – 16:51]: Congressional stock trading scandal and loopholes
• [17:42 – 30:54]: Jim Jordan interview: Big Tech censorship, pilots legislation, college sports, late-night talk show business
• [34:10 – 48:48]: Dr. Mehmet Oz interview: Autism research, acetaminophen in pregnancy, government transparency, allergy and environmental health
• [05:24]: "If you made $7 million... you should know..." — Clay Travis
• [19:33]: “They put it in writing...” — Jim Jordan
• [41:06]: “The most important thing... be calm and realistic about the numbers.” — Dr. Oz
• [44:09]: “Trust is built brick by brick by a shining light...” — Dr. Oz

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Conclusion

“Team 47 – Swamp Monsters” draws a vivid picture of modern political and social dysfunction—from the legal gray areas exploited by politicians to the urgent need for health research transparency—and underlines the importance of asking questions, remaining skeptical, and demanding both accountability and candor from leaders in government and medicine. With insightful and often humorous interplay, the show spotlights systemic flaws and the search for solutions, leaving listeners informed and challenged to think more critically about public policy, science, and power.

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[Clay Travis]

There are gubernatorial races that are underway. Some of them are going to be hotly contested in important states, places like Virginia. We had winsome Sears on she's lieutenant governor, very impressive woman. But in New Jersey, remember, New Jersey was a much closer election. What was it, Clay? It was not this, but it was in the it was in the off year that that, that Glenn young point.

[Buck Sexton]

Or two in 2021. And remember, Trump only lost New Jersey by five last year and they think the Trump team does if they had had commonwealth level money that they could have flipped New Jersey into their column.

[Clay Travis]

So New Jersey is still blue, but it's, it's more interesting than they want it to be for sure. And this might help a bit more. This is just one of the great moments on on Charlamagne. The God on the Breakfast Club Mr. The God was sitting down with Democrat candidate New Jersey Governor Mikey Sherrill. So the Democrat cab sorry, Democrat candidate for governor, Mikey Sherrill. And I'm not familiar that's why I'm asking people to weigh in a little bit on what do I need to know about Mikey Sherrill. But this was a great moment and Mr. The God asked about this and I think it was worth us all just hearing for a second because people are very sick and tired of members of the of Congress particularly, who seemingly are trading in a way in the stock market that mirrors information that they would only have access to because of things that they're doing in Congress and making a lot of money. She was asked Mikey Sherrill about this and here is the response from the Breakfast Club a couple of of days ago. Play this one.

[Narrator/Announcer]

When Newsmax claims that you made $7 million from stock trades, what are they talking about?

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Newsmax is first of all a very questionable organization that is paying multiple fines. I'm not sure what they're talking about.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Did you make 7 million in stock trades at all?

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

I haven't. I don't believe I did. But I'd have to go see what.

[Buck Sexton]

That was alluding to again.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

What kind of came from.

[Clay Travis]

Clay? I think if you're a member of Congress making about 180 grand, by the way, I think that if you made $7 million trading the stock market, whether somebody else is making those trades on your behal or you're making them, I.

[Buck Sexton]

Think you should know, unless you're a billionaire and so rich that you could plausibly say I don't know what happened with $7 million, 99.99% of people in America would know if they made $7 million or not in the stock market. A lot of you out there would know if you made $700 in the stock market or not. Certainly 7,000 or 70,000, to say nothing of 7 million. These people are so bad at this buck. I just, I watch so many of these politicians. And we've reached out, by the way, to Jack Citarelli, who is the Republican contender who almost won in 2021. He is the nominee on the Republican side for this race. To remind all of you, Virginia and New Jersey and the mayor of New York City are all off calendar elections. So they will be taking place this November. That's in basically six weeks. Some of you basically can already go early vote on these. I just, I mean, credit to Charlemagne, the God who is of the left, I think, but is kind of pointing out a $7 million. Can you follow up and just kind of tell us what happened here?

[Clay Travis]

All right, I've got some, I've got some, some stats and numbers to throw into the mix here. Cheryl makes, I said 180, 174 grand as New Jersey's 11th congressional district Rep. So she. Remember, they have financial disclosures, everybody. So we can know this public, it's public record how much money these individuals have within a range. But you have some sense of it. Right. So in 2019, she reported total assets between 730. And I'm just going to abbreviate the numbers here, but $730,004.3 million. Now that's a huge range, by the way.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

That includes your house. You know, to anybody listening, the difference being worth 700 grand on paper and being worth 4 million on paper feels like a lot. But anyway, that's where she was. But clay in her most recent one, in her most recent disclosure form, she's worth More like 12 million.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. This is tough to explain.

[Clay Travis]

And so you say to yourself, wait a second, she's making 174. It's not like she had some huge trust fund because we would know that from the financial disclosure forms previously. So somehow she has, and Jack Cittarelli has come out and hammered her on this somehow, while a member of Congress sitting on the Armed Services Committee, who allegedly has a fondness for trading Clay and defense stocks, saying, interesting, she has gone from being worth, you know, let's call it a couple million dollars to put it in the middle to being worth about $12 million. I mean, she could be worth as much as 4 million there. Even still, that would be a tripling of her net worth while making 180 grand a year.

[Buck Sexton]

Now Sometimes spouses make the money which can also sometimes be suspect.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Right?

[Buck Sexton]

Because they'll say, well, this is not the money that I'm making, this is my spouse. I think this is what happened with. And I don't even know who her spouse is now. But Elon, now he's.

[Clay Travis]

We'll get. He's an investment banker. So his compensation may be a significant part of this. But Clay, she was fined for failing to disclose stock sales in 2021.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, this is where it gets very shady. OK, correct me if I'm wrong on this because this seems like something that shouldn't be allowed. You basically cannot prosecute elected officials like congressmen and senators for insider trading. Correct? Because they get all sorts of information that is not public and then they're allowed to trade on it. And this is where it gets super shady. This is like the Nancy Pelosi situation. The spouse oftentimes is the person who's actually trading on this and they are able to monetize this in a way that is hyper shady. Remember, if you look at Nancy Pelosi's trading record for stocks, she's somehow better than Warren Buffett at buying and selling stocks. There's a Nancy tracker out there where you can look at all the moves Pelosi makes because they have to disclose it. I, I don't understand why it isn't basic required for everybody out there to put their holdings in a trust and just use that. Let me give you an example, Buck. Most of my money after I sold out kick, that is not in real estate, is in S&P 500 index funds. That is, I just buy the 500 largest companies in America. 90% of the time the S&P 500 outperforms experts. I am not by and large buying and selling very many stocks. Now, there's no restriction on me buying and selling very many stocks in the first place. But I would say about 5% of my stock assets are in physical stocks that I control and about 95% is effectively in S&P 500 index funds. I don't understand why it isn't standard for everybody, Democrat, Republican, Independent, who is elected to Congress to put their assets, their 401k, their individual stocks, just put it into a index fund and say I'm not going to buy and sell individual stocks while I'm a representative of the United States Congress. What am I missing here? To me, that seems like it should be standard for everyone out there. And if they're arguing otherwise, I think it's highly suspect for people to be trading hundreds of times in a year. And remember what happened during COVID because I haven't forgotten this. Remember when they got the briefings about how dangerous Covid was going to be and what was going to happen? And a ton of congressmen and women immediately sold all their stocks before the stock market started to decline. They got access to information that you and I didn't have access to about what was going to happen in terms of shutdowns. The stock market plummeted, and a lot of congressmen and women sold before the stock market collapsed and then bought at bottoms and made a ton of money off information that's not public. I don't know what I'm missing here. This candidate, I think, is lying. I think she has likely benefited off inside information. But this is important when it comes to corruption. We don't just focus on corruption itself. We focus on the appearance of corruption because it's so toxic to public trust. How is there not a direct appearance of corruption when individual congressmen and women are making trades and destroying the greatest investors of our lifetimes in their results?

[Clay Travis]

Just, just so everybody understands, in something like the, like National Defense Authorization act or one of those big omnibus or, you know, porculus or whatever you want to call it, these big bills that come out where they're just full of pork and they're full of all this spending, if you're on some committee and you know that a certain defense contractor, for example, is about to get correct, a 3 or 5 or $10 billion government contract, guess what? It's probably gonna go up as a stock. Ok, Yes, I think we all understand that. And so if you are essentially now, I. You know, the rules. They've changed the rules so that technically there's like a little more reporting and stuff, but you're not barred from trading. And let's just. Let's just take. Let's just be honest about this. Have you seen anybody get in trouble for insider trading from the United States Congress?

[Buck Sexton]

No, I'm not aware of it right now. I think, Buck, that they're not. You're not allowed to be prosecuted for it. I think it used to be the.

[Clay Travis]

Case they changed the rules. Let me. Let me check on it. They made some. The stock act, they made some adjustment to it, but I think it's like, you can't be prosecuted for knowledge that comes from the course of your job, which is the whole point of it. Let me check on this one. I got to see what the rules are because this was Clay. This has been a Push. For over a decade, people have been trying to, you know, trying to figure out why members of Congress are able to get so, so rich.

[Buck Sexton]

But larger issue, yes on that, to me, it's just, it shouldn't be allowed. Minor issue or secondary issue as it pertains to this race. If you made $7 million in stock trades, you better have a good explanation for how that happened. And again, the husband may well be the reason. But to claim, oh, I don't know, I'd have to look into that. How out of touch are you if you can make $7 million and not recall whether or not it happened? Unless you're a billionaire and your stock price valuation is constantly going up and down again, all I'm saying is I'm not a Congressperson. S&P 500 index funds a good option. Why would we not make that standard for anybody who's in elective office? Now, there are some complexities, usually blind trust. And this is getting into specifics. Let's you own a company and that company is publicly traded. You can just say, hey, I'm not going to buy or sell stock or it's a blind trust. I'm not managing it. There are lots of ways to handle this that do not create this huge, this huge impression of impropriety. That to me would make a lot of sense.

[Clay Travis]

Well, I just would note, Clay. So two former members of the House of Representatives have been prosecuted and convicted for insider trading, which the stock act of 2012. That's what I'm referring. So this has been going on for a while. So there is this stock act. It doesn't bar them from trading. Obviously there's disclosure requirements. But here's the thing. It's super hard because of the information that they're coming into contact with is of a political nature. It can be very like if you're going to invest in a big defense contractor. What's. How do you know that you don't just, you know, they get into this mosaic defense strategy for white collar criminals of like, well, did I do it because I thought of this bill that's coming up or. Because I love the fundamentals and I know, I read the latest 10k. I mean that's.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, also curious on whatever. I would be curious what the prosecution for insider trading is because those guys could have been prosecuted for actual insider trading that had nothing to do with Congress. Right. In other words, I believe the testimony that you hear behind closed doors is not allowed to be prosecutable for insider trading. You could still be prosecuted if for instance, you're out of office and your cousin calls you and he sits on the board of X Company and he says, hey, we're about to.

[Clay Travis]

That's what happened.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

By the way, they actually were not prosecuted. This is a very important clarification. They were not prosecuted for anything under the STOCK act or anything having to do with Congress. They were prosecuted for insider trading access they had before being in Congress. Yes, that's a different thing.

[Buck Sexton]

This is what I'm saying. Like, you basically get a free rein to insider trade at Congress.

[Clay Travis]

So my, my initial premise of, like, no one in Congress has ever. That no one in Congress has ever been prosecuted for insider Congress, insider congressional information. That is true.

[Buck Sexton]

People ask us all the time how we can save the next generation.

[Clay Travis]

We've got our show and the info is an antidote. But we also have a couple books coming out.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

And mine is Manufacturing Delusion how the Left Uses Brainwashing, Indoctrination and Propaganda against you.

[Buck Sexton]

Both are great reads. One might even say they would make fabulous gifts.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Indeed.

[Clay Travis]

So do us a solid and pre order yours on Amazon today.

[Buck Sexton]

You're listening to Team 47 with clay and Buck.

[Clay Travis]

Congressman Jim Jordan of the great state of Ohio is with us. Congressman, always appreciate you making the time, sir. Thank you.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Good to be with you. Good to be with you guys. Have you hit 100? Have you hit 100?

[Clay Travis]

It's been raining a lot in Miami, so the courts have been wet, but it's happening. Congressman, I'm telling you this right now. You're reminding me that a deal is a deal, a bet is a bet. I'm going to get out there. Laura Travis. Very excited for me to cross that hundred mile per hour mark. I'm only at 97, so it's really quite a leap to get there, but I'm going to get there. And I promise you, Congressman, you will be among the first to know. It's going to happen this calendar year.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Now, that's good to hear.

[Clay Travis]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

The video you said, by the way, I was impressed. It was. I mean, I don't. I like watching sports. I'm not a tennis player, but I was impressed. Good for me. Hit the ball. I mean, I didn't think he'd hit it that close to 100, but I was, it was pretty impressive.

[Clay Travis]

So I think, I appreciate that. You know, I'm a middle aged guy and I can pretty much crank that serve at 97 miles an hour. I said clay, I told clay 100 initially. So it's not like I was way off. All these people are saying 60 in the replies.

[Narrator/Announcer]

These people are nuts.

[Clay Travis]

You need to get a speed gun. All right, so, so since we've got that out there, thank you for the reminder though, because that is going to happen. I'm in Taiwan next week, so not a lot of tennis. Oh, I just kind of let that slip, didn't I? But not a lot of tennis going there. But I will be doing it when I get back here to lovely Miami Beach. Okay, YouTube. YouTube. YouTube. Let's take a look here. Here's where I am on this. And maybe you're talking to the, to the more cynical of the duo. As you may know, Congressman, as you, as you do know, OK, YouTube admits what we've known from the beginning. They censored and they've been censoring terribly. So what does anything happen because of this? What's the action item? The information's important. I think people need to know it. Sure. But what happens?

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Well, they put it in writing. So if in the, if in the future they go back on their word, then there's, you know, you can't lie to Congress. There's 18 USC 1, 1001. So there's, there's going forward. I think there's that second. They are reinstating people who, they took their channel away from people. I mean there was, there was big names like Dan Bongino. He gets his, you know, he gets his channel back. He gets, he gets to go back. I think more importantly, it's the thousands of people that they, that they cut off who get to come back too. So that's helpful. But you're right, you know what, what happened to him in this, I mean, some of this four or five years, you know, because it goes back to the COVID and people speaking out against all the false things that the government told us. I mean, you spoke out against it, you got censored, you got. Or you lost your, you lost your, your channel on YouTube. So the. Yeah, that's tough. But you know, I look at the glass half, half full going forward.

[Narrator/Announcer]

People are being reinstated.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

They've admitted to it. They've. They've said they will never use fact checkers like some of these other platforms did. Because we all know, you know, these fact checkers were lefties who, you know, labeled all kinds of things. Misinformation, disinformation, and censored people. So I. That's positive. But I get what you're saying. All we can do, though, is the best we can. And as we're.

[Buck Sexton]

As we're moving forward, Jim, appreciate you coming on with us, and I appreciate you calling out Buck, because I've forgotten. And it is interesting how the rain has been coming down and disallowed him.

[Clay Travis]

It's very rainy season hurricanes.

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Excuse me. Very tough for the outdoor courts here.

[Buck Sexton]

But you may.

[Clay Travis]

You may proceed. Clay.

[Buck Sexton]

We were banned out. Kick was banned. You had me, to your credit, to come testify. I think back in February or March of 21, they made me wear a mask. I think it's like the only time I ever wore a mask, even to testify at the hearing. That was at the absolute apex of we're gonna restrict speech. So you've been fighting these battles for a long time. I think you deserve a lot of credit. With that in mind, one of the things that Buck and I are super frustrated by is there basically are no consequences. And I'm curious what you think here. When YouTube banned us, when they gave us strikes, when they took us down, when they didn't allow our videos to circulate, it had very real financial consequences for a company that I owned at the time. Outkick, now Fox owns. But there, as Buck is pointing out, there are a lot of people out there that are just trying to make 2, 3, 4 grand a month off YouTube. And that is a huge part of their ability to fund what they're doing and saying, shouldn't there be some sort of consequences? Shouldn't google/YouTube have to make some sort of. I'm just tossing this out there. Huge payment to fund free speech so that they could actually be sued by lawyers actually committed to free speech. Not what the ACLU used to do. Like, what organization, what way are their consequences? Because it seems pretty convenient for YouTube now to say, oh, yeah, we did this. We wouldn't allow this in a court of law, by and large, when you admit wrongdoing, usually there is a consequence for the wrongdoing. Here, there seems to be none.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Yeah, and we're working on. We have legislation. Harriet Hageman, a wonderful member, Wyoming, on our committee, and she's got a bill that says if the government. You can go after the government. If they're pressuring people to censor you. That's classic violation of First Amendment. So we're looking at that like individuals in the government, like you'd have a private right of action. So we're looking at that legislation, we passed it last Congress out of committee. We're looking to bring that back. But it is tough to go after. I mean, maybe you can get a class together and see if it works and say, you know, these people were all kicked off, they were all lost, you know, such and such revenue. This is their damages. Yeah, you might be able to do that. But I think that's, again, I think it's tough. And so what we're trying to focus on is, look, they've admitted to what they did. They admitted that it came from the Biden administration. They caved to it. They did this. Not going to happen. It's very similar, frankly, to the letter Mark Zuckerberg sent us last August where he said the same thing. The Biden administration pressures the censure. We did it. We're sorry, we're going to stop. And to his credit, they've actually changed policy. There's. They use the community notes approach to posts that are put on their site, on their platform, just like Elon does at X. So again, I look at the positive, but I get happened to you directly. I was shadow banned. There was four of us members shadowbanned back in 2018 by Twitter before Elon had purchased that company. So I know it's tough, but we got to move forward and look at the bright side.

[Clay Travis]

I think, Congressman, something that, as I mentioned, I'm gonna be traveling a lot next week and the weeks after, and Clay and I are actually doing a bunch of event flying is on my mind. And I've seen some reporting again, because I think the most frustrating thing is when it's crystal clear skies, everything's fine, everyone's there, we got there, we got through tsa, we did the whole. They did the whole thing. And then we're told there's no crew there. Sorry, don't have people to actually do the plane flying thing. You know, there's this let pilots let experienced pilots fly bill that's been kicking around.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Oh, yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Ted Cruz is a sponsor. Marsha Blackburn, Senator sponsor, is a sponsor on the Senate side. Is this actually something you guys on the House side are looking at doing too? Because this is one of those things where we could get some of the best pilots we have to keep flying, which means everybody's one in safe hands to the newer pilots, get better instruction. And three, we have to wait less at the gate for a couple of hours at a time. Can you guys get this done where is this?

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

I'm all for it. I'm not on the Transportation Committee, but I'm all for it. I travel like the last three weekends. I've been in Vegas and Sacramento one week in Dallas the next weekend. Last weekend I went from North Carolina to North Dakota. So, I mean, I'm just like you. We fly all the time and you want the best pilots and you want it to be on time and not have to. I mean, the delays when it's backed up and you can't even use land and you can't even get to a gate because the gates are awful. I mean, they're just on and on and on. So it's frustrating. Yeah. And to the extent that, you know, allowing good pilots to stick around and continue to operate, I think that's great. In fact, I had a pilot talk to me at a fundraising. I forget what state we were in, but he talked to me about this very bill. I said, yeah, this makes sense. I hope we. Hope we do get.

[Clay Travis]

Who on the Transportation Committee, you think? I mean, who could we have on to talk about this?

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Sam Graves. Have to have the chairman. Chairman Graves, good man. He chaired that committee for a number of years. Have him on and he can. He can fill you in.

[Clay Travis]

Clay, I'm telling you, I know you're a big Southwest fan. We get this thing through and you're going to thank me because your delays are going to drop. And by the way, the older pilots are all the Clay and Buck listeners, too. They're the ones that are all about this show.

[Buck Sexton]

My, I fly Southwest everywhere. I, you know, I'm not a bragger. I don't like to draw attention to myself. As everyone well knows, I have 2 million Southwest Airlines points. That's how. And. And on my last Southwest Airlines flight from New York City to Nashville, I don't think I said this on the air. The pilots wanted to come out and shake hands. They're like, love the shows. Like, I was posing for photos with the flight attendants. So I've got a lot of awesome people at Southwest and I enjoy meeting everybody. There's Congressman, what is the latest? You were working hard and I don't know the absolute latest, but the score act. I know there are a lot of people out there that are big college football fans, college sports fans in general were in the midst of the fall football season. What's the latest there? What can you tell us?

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

We're working on getting some Democrats to vote for it. We have some great supporters out there who want to look into Some changes. We got Cody Campbell, great guy with big booster Texas Tech, talking about things that he thinks can happen particularly, I think maybe better suited for the Senate, but we're looking at those as well. The bill is through committee. We do have some Democrat support for it. I think there's strong support for it. To use your lingo, play with, you know, people in the Southeast Conference part of the country and the Big Ten part of the country. So we'll, we'll see. But we do want to get this done and we continue to work on it. We think it's a darn good start to help with. You know, when we started this process, I said I think there are three things we want to focus on. We want real competition, want some parity. You don't want just the same teams winning all the time. As much as I'd like to see the Badgers and the Buckeyes, you know, always at the top. You want, you want some parity. You, you don't want to diminish opportunity for athletes. The USOC is very concerned about what happens to the so called non revenue sports, the Olympic sports and women's sports. And so we were trying to see how we can be helpful there. And part of the thing in the bill is we don't want any school to drop the sports that stay division one. You got to have 16. We kept that in, we put that in the bill. And then finally, I do think we at some point got to remember it's supposed to be about getting an education. You got some of these athletes in football and basketball who transfer, you know, six times in five years and never get a degree. I don't think that's helpful to the system or to that, to that individual. So we're trying to have those overall objectives in mind when we put this legislation together, but we're not quite there yet.

[Buck Sexton]

What should happen with Jimmy Kimmel? Yeah, we're going to talk about this, I think at some point during the course of the show. But with the YouTube, we started off the show by saying, and I think it's really important, Jimmy Kimmel is a small pinprick of the importance of what Google and YouTube were doing. Any comedian would be relative to the policies those companies put in place. And nexstar and Sinclair are still not caring. Meaning, I'm not sure where your affiliate station is, Jim, but I know here in Nashville, I couldn't watch last night if I wanted to. They have news on. I'm a nexstar affiliate here in the ABC Nashville market. What in your mind is the right solution here? If you were the magic wand guy and you got to analyze this.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Well, I looked at this the way you've always described it, Clay. I look at this as Republicans buy sneakers too. Republicans watch late night TV too. I think nexstar and Sinclair just said, you know, we just don't think it's appropriate. You know, seems to me if you're a late night talk show host, you should, you should not do two things. You shouldn't kick off half the potential audience and you should be funny. And it seems like Jimmy Kimmel was failing on both of those, those two things. So I think, I think nextarn and nexstar and Sinclair said we just like something different, frankly. So I think this is a business decision largely. You know, it couldn't just be the government censoring because ABC or Disney putting back on. Yeah, I did. I think I looked at it all throughout this whole thing and I understand what, what Commissioner Carr said, but I looked at it largely as this was a business deal. Nextar came forward and said, no, we want, we want something different. And you can't blame him for that because I think, I think they're losing money on the show. ABC is. I never thought he was really that funny. It was all just, and we know was all just attacking Trump all the time. And half the country doesn't, doesn't particularly care for that. So that's how I viewed it versus government doing what they did in all these areas where we have emails from the Biden administration saying take down this tweet ASAP. And it was a tweet from RFK Jr. When he was running for president against Joe Biden, for goodness sake.

[Narrator/Announcer]

So that's as bad as it gets.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

It said the Biden administration set up the Disinformation Governance Board. Most Orwellian thing in history. Yeah, Bunch of bureaucrats. Tell you what, you can say Jankowicz.

[Buck Sexton]

I haven't forgotten her name.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

Totally. Totally. So. So that's a, that's a completely different animal than nexstar saying we don't think our audience really likes this show. We just assume be something else. That's a business call my mind code.

[Clay Travis]

Totally agree. Congressman Jim Jordan will have you back and there will be video of that hundred mile an hour service. It will happen.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

I will not be denied.

[Clay Travis]

It's gonna happen. Thank you, sir. Thank you.

[Narrator/Announcer]

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You're listening to team 47 with Clay and Buck.

[Clay Travis]

We're joined now by Dr. Oz. Dr. Mehmet Oz serves as the administrator for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services under HHS Secretary RFK Jr. And President Trump. Dr. Oz, welcome to the show. As always, good to talk to you.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Good to talk as always. It's been an active week. I suspect you want to speak a bit about autism and what might work.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, let's talk about autism and the Tylenol situation here. Doc. What, what is actually? What do we know? What is being recommended? What is actually going on? And let's just stay as tight to the facts as we can on this one because there's a lot of passion around this topic.

[Narrator/Announcer]

There is. Let's take a step back for one second and just make it really clear. There is no political benefit to President Trump talking about this. This is a whole scale departure from what historically has happened with data within government, which is we have several opaque process. You don't really know what we know. Eventually we figure it all out and tell you the best we can. We saw that in Covid. It backfires when moms think that they're gaslighting. They're being gaslit because they're not getting access to data. So the president charged all of us, Secretary Kennedy leading the process with just breaking all the silos, breaking the barriers. Just do the work and release the information when you have it. This is the first example. There will be future ones. So let's go over the data. $50 million is put into a process to try to research autism. Jay Bhattashary at the NIH has been allocating that money into grants along the way studying what's going on with autism and discovered two signals, two leads that were intriguing enough that after a lot of discussion, we decided to share with the American people. The first had to do with a prescription medication called leucovorin, which no one's ever heard of. But prescription leucovorin is essentially a way of getting B vitamins into the brains of children. Why is that a problem? We believe that there's a fair amount of pathology around B vitamins in the brains of kids who have autism. That's one of the reasons their brains get cloudy, foggy. They can't really process information. They don't Learn to speak right. And so if we can reverse that problem, which is caused by their genes, in some cases that we know of, and by antibodies blocking those receptors, those pathways into the brain, and others, that would make a difference. It turns out with a couple hundred kids in different small studies, about half the kids seem to benefit when given this medication correctly. It's not perfect. We don't know enough about it to make broader promises. But I asked the key question claim Buck, both you just tell me if this resonates with you. I asked the question everyone should ask their doctor, would you do it for your kid? And the answer I got over and over again was yes, we don't know for sure, but because it's so safe and this drug's been around forever, we think it will be worth it. So we released that information. At the same time, there was data that's been around for a couple years, but more and more of it coming out about potential concerns around acetaminophen, which is the raw material in Tylenol. Now, I want to say this as crisply and clearly sticking to the facts as you asked me to. If you have a high fever, if you've got a bad problem, please talk to your docs. If you're pregnant, make sure that they're involved and take the acetaminophen, which is a pretty much the only drug we would use in that setting. And it's the drug that most doctors use, myself included, in that setting, because all the other drugs seem to have bigger problems and having high fevers itself causes a problem. So this is not a warning never to take the drug. However, in cases where there was a lot of use of this drug, there does seem to be a signal concerning enough that we were sharing it, that women subsequently have babies who develop autism. So the message really is if you have a low grade temperature, if you stub your toe, don't use the medication willy nilly. Use it thoughtfully, recognizing that any medication that's strong enough to help you is strong enough to hurt you.

[Buck Sexton]

Dr. Oz, you have kids? Buck has a baby. I've got three. I want to run through a couple of things because I know we got a lot of moms and with a lot of lot of grandmas out there and everybody, when they get pregnant, by and large, is trying to do the best possible things they can. Forget the baby that they are carrying. And there's a couple of things out there that I was gonna point out and how complicated and sometimes even to the detriment, this, this all of These strictures can be. In America, they say women shouldn't eat sushi. Pregnant women, they say that women should not have alcohol at all. As I'm sure you're aware, in Japan, women continue to eat sushi throughout pregnancy. Most no issues. In France, women continue to drink glasses of wine. I mean, they're not pounding bottles of wine and getting super drunk. By and large, kids aren't having issues there. Circling back, I read in the New York Times today you may have more accurate data than this, that now I believe it's one in every 31 kids is being classified as autistic. Those numbers are have skyrocketed. Something is going on, right? Either we're identifying autism way more, and maybe that's partly it. Maybe we are. Maybe there are multiple different factors out there. You're a doctor, though, and I just like to go baseline. What would you tell a woman who just found out she's pregnant right now that is concerned about autism that she should do, in your opinion, to be the absolute healthiest? And obviously one answer is she can talk to her doctor. But if this were your, if this were your daughter and you were about to have a grandbaby, what would you tell her?

[Narrator/Announcer]

The most important thing you can do when you're pregnant is actually to be calm and realistic about the numbers. You will almost certainly do well. Mortality rates obviously are very low because we're so good generally at taking care of crises or complications when they occur. And anxiety itself is a problem during pregnancy. So recognize that you're in pretty good shape and you're lucky to be born in an era where we have high quality care. That stated, there are some unforced errors, rookie errors. You want to avoid trusting that there's one product that's so safe that you can take it whenever you think you might have a small little thing not right is unwise because we just don't know. There's so many things happening during pregnancy with that miraculous process where these cells are growing at a fast rate, differentiating into organ. Everything's got to work. It's sort of a miracle that it ever works, but it almost always does work because we get out of the way. I say the same thing to my kids is when I've got five grandkids now, one more coming. Just get out of the way of biology and let it run itself. A low grade temperature is a healthy thing, usually because it'll kill the virus that's bothering you, but it doesn't hurt your own cells. Don't trust external substances of any kind.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

I don't think alcohol is a good.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Thing to do when you're pregnant and you shouldn't have to drink alcohol to be able to get through your day. So yes, you know, if you're going to toast someone, that's different, but it should not be part of the norm. The cleaner you eat, the better. Do not trust the environment to be clean, Go out of your way. Air purifiers, water purifiers are wise moves. It's a time for you to be so careful because you're the canary in the coal mine. Anything that's not right in society, in the world around us, would have a increased detrimental effect on you and your fetus. And then they take one step back up because you mentioned a stat 1 in 31 kids that have autism. Just to put this in perspective, that is five times more than it was in 25 years ago. Five times more. So it's not genetics. And I don't buy the canard that this is all about measurement because I just turned 65, I'm running the agency that I'm a member of now, Medicare, right. There aren't any people my age that I know of who have autism. Bobby Kennedy, Secretary Kennedy is found, you know, reminds all of us that he in his whole life never met anyone his age who has autism. I'm sure they're out there, but they're not very common. Whereas you go to school today, you take your kids to school, you talk to the other parents. Many of those parents have kids with autistic children. It changes their life. So the President's passion about this comes from a realization this is not genetic, this is not measurement. There is a change in our environment. He is undaunted. He will find it and pursue it. And these are two clues of how.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

To deal with it.

[Clay Travis]

Dr. Oz, I wanted to follow up on this. Is it your. And now I'm asking more for your analysis and maybe even a bit of your gut instinct on this. Having practiced medicine for decades and now having access to the data on these things at a very high level? On the policy side, when you're talking about that we just established that really deeply troubling rise of autism, do you think it is most likely to be a multi factor problem that has caused the increase as in several things together or just several things in general? Or do you think that it might be a really one primary culprit that will be found? It's just a question of whittling down the data and pursuing the science and finally getting Us to what's really at the heart of this, of this crisis.

[Narrator/Announcer]

I believe it's multifactorial, but they may work through common mechanisms. For example, I brought up the reality that folate levels are low in the brain. Folate comes from foliage, leafy greens. So this vitamin B9 is a critical element in brain development. It's possible that several of the things we're worried about all work to inhibit the ability of the fragile child's brain to take up enough of this critical ingredient so their brain forms. Normally it could happen because antibodies are made because the kid's allergic to everything from a food that they're being given to a substance in their body to a toxin in their environment, you know, mold and chemicals, all kinds of things. We don't know how they work in the body, but they probably work through several common pathways. What I do have confidence in, since I've been looking at this together with the rest of the team and Jay Bhattashariat, Marty Makary, who head of the NIH and fda, we're all laser focused on this, in part because the Secretary insists it and the President demands it, that we are seeing signals of lots of things. We didn't want to talk about all of them, but we're seeing things that all could be concerning. We just want to sort of whittle it down and get to the ones that are legitimately things we might be able to do differently in our lives. But certainly you want to start being transparent with the American people because trust is built brick by brick by a shining light. And all the things you know, if I know things you don't know, there's no reason why you would trust me to do more better with it than you would. And this is why I think parents in particular, who love their kids more than anybody, should be armed with the best data the government has, as we get it. And of course, yes, it scares people, it alarms people. They don't. Not everyone to hear it. Not everyone agrees. Ideologically, I get all that stuff. But if you mix politics and medicine, you know what you get politics, you kill medicine. And so the last thing we want to do is hold back because there's a political rationale, which is, again, if you're a political person who's passionate about people, you tell them what you know. That's what a doctor does.

[Buck Sexton]

We're talking to Dr. Oz. You just hit on something. This will be the last question, because I know you're busy and we've got to hit a break. But the autism Rates have skyrocketed. You talked about how they've skyrocketed, not just historically, but in the 21st century and particular, it's also happened with allergies. I know there are a lot of parents out there. You mentioned Dr. Oz that you rarely see, and Bobby Kennedy has rarely seen people your age who have autism allergies. When I was a kid growing up, nobody was allergic to peanuts. It didn't feel like now the peanut allergy is so commonplace that they don't even give out peanuts on airplanes anymore. They've had to stop doing that. Is it possible that we're seeing some connection in the environment that that is impacting things on a variety of different levels? Do you think there might be any connection between autism and allergies and just the way that the body chemistry is changing, and Buck and I have talked about this. This is a big question, too. Is it partly, maybe connected also to the idea of older parents? Right. Dads and moms, frankly, are having babies way later in the 21st century than they did for basically the entirety of human existence.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Clay, such an excellent question. All the things you identify because you're a curious person.

[Congressman Jim Jordan]

And by the way, to me, the.

[Narrator/Announcer]

MAHA movement is not being curious. And 80% of statements are questions in disguise. You're actually a curious human being. The questions you're asking are the ones that we have got to be brave enough to answer and share if we're courageous with people that around us. But you got to be kind. So you mentioned age of the parent. Yes. That's a risk factor. We've known that. But it's hard to hear that if you're a parent. But yet again, you got to be transparent. Doctors tell patients things they don't always want to hear. But at least you'll respect us for telling you the truth. The allergy issue, I think, is a bigger problem. There's a reason why so many kids are allergic. You're right. Peanut allergies, unheard of when I was a kid. We have an epidemic of all types of allergies, which, again, is reflective of the fact that we're traumatizing the fragile immune system of the child who's just trying to figure out what the world is about and differentiate what's friendly and what's faux. Their immune system is confused. I suspect there are chemicals that they're getting exposed to that are causing this. We are actively, of course, searching. There's many allegations. We don't know the answer. It's easy to blame folks. We don't have the luxury of bickering when you're increasing by five fold the incidence of a tragic condition that could be obviously these kids are lovable, should be loved, will be taken care of. As a society, we're judged by how we take care of our most vulnerable. So we'll always take care of kids on the autism spectrum. But it's a heck of a lot easier not to have to fight that battle when you're going through life. And these kids deserve better. We have got to deliver. And looking at the cause of allergies, I think is one of the biggest clues, because they're the tip of the iceberg. You figure that out, that's the leading edge. Behind that are a whole bunch of other conditions. Celiac disease, bowel problems, of course, all kinds of pathologies like autism spectrum, adhd. You can go down the laundry list of issues that plague our youth, and many of them come back to an immune system that can't function correctly. It's a fragile system. It's being maligned. We've got to figure out what's doing it.

[Buck Sexton]

Dr. Oz, we appreciate the time. Thank you so much for joining us. Always happy to have you on. Just let us know when you think it makes sense. And good work and good luck trying to figure all this out.

[Narrator/Announcer]

God bless you both. Take care.

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