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Buck Sexton
Team 47 with Clay and Buck starts now.
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Clay Travis
Trump is reshaping the GOP majority, national majority, as in the numbers of Americans in each party in ways that the Democrats are and should be deeply concerned about. And CNN's I feel like we should call him CNN's Ryan Graduski.
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Ryan Graduski
He's the.
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Clay Travis
He's the Ryan Graduski of CNN.
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Buck Sexton
Formerly. Formerly of CNN.
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Clay Travis
Well, no, but I'm saying we have Ryan. Ryan Grandusky is Clay and Buck network now. He's got a great podcast there which you should listen to, where he breaks down numbers and data. So, you know, it's this guy at cnn, he's like bootleg gardusky. Yeah, I'm saying he's a bootlegger Dusky. But he's doing his thing over there at cnn. He's probably a nice guy. But this is cut to. He's looking at the data. Play it.
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Ryan Graduski
Donald Trump and the Republican Party has changed the electorate. What do I mean by that? Well, let's take a look at party identification. Democrats versus Republicans. You go back to 2017, five points more of the electorate was Democrats than Republicans. You go to 2021, when Joe Biden was starting out, like, look at that. Six points more of the electorate was Democrats than Republicans. But look at what's happened in February of 2025. Look at this. Republicans, there are more Republicans in the electorate than there are Democrats. Republican plus two. So Donald Trump and the Republicans have remade the electorate. They've turned some people over from being Democrats or independents to become Republicans. New folks have entered the electorate who are more Republican leaning. And so when you combine that with the fact that Republicans are really, really behind Donald Trump, all of a sudden you get a winning recipe whereby you break the normal rules of politics and give Donald Trump that positive net approval rating when he had pretty much a consistently negative one in term number one.
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Clay Travis
So, Clay, at the same time that the Democrats have the most MIA leadership, I think, in my adult life, I mean, we can just say in the 21st century. And the Republicans just had this very solid win in the election with Trump. Now the national party numbers are showing something that's got to be very concerning. For Democrats, great. For us, in 2017, the overall electorate, there were five more Democrats than Republicans. 2021, there were six more. I should say five more. Up five points. I mean, up six points in 2021, Republicans are now up two Republicans. There are more registered Republicans in the US electorate now for the first time in a few election cycles. And this is just another indicator in the data, in the numbers of Trump is flipping Democrats to his side. So at a time when they've tried to say Trump is so extreme, Trump has brought Democrats over to the Republican Party. So I think their argument that he's such a far right and polarizing figure is even more challenging for them than it has been in the past because now the numbers show. No, he's actually the great persuader, if there is such a thing in American politics right now. Nobody else is bringing over the same kind of numbers from left to right that Trump is.
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Buck Sexton
Think about what Trump has done in the first month. He has shut down the southern border and we talked about this with you earlier this week. But I think it's important to keep hammering that narrative because forever they told us, hey, we can't do anything at the southern border without Congress acting. Trump sat down effectively with a pen and executive orders and completely shut down the southern border such that it's not even a point of discussion or coverage anymore. Ok, so that's point one, which a huge majority of Americans support. Point two, he ended so far the war in the Middle east by his election. He now is trying to end the war in Europe. He has started the process of deporting violent criminals who should not be in the country legally. He has unleashed Elon Musk on the federal government to try and create a more fair, less fraud riddled tax code and also federal budget. What has he done that's even remotely controversial? The only thing I can even think of is birthright citizenship which acknowledge acknowledged by the government and by his administration is going to go to the Supreme Court on a historical level to figure out what the law is on this. But by and large, why are Democrats losing support? It's because of all the things that I just ran through with you. They're not even particularly partisan. Who's in favor of more fraud and waste in the federal government? Only cheats and liars. Who's in favor of more people dying in the Middle east or Europe? I, I, I mean, does anybody really want hundreds of thousands of more young people to die in those two places by and large?
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Clay Travis
Like ask the question as well or a continuation of the question you're asking. What do the, the people that were flying the Ukraine flags at the beginning of the war, they, they've stopped because they got bored. Because it wasn't really about Ukraine, it was about them. That's very obvious. But the people, you know, they had the Ukraine flag and the mask and vax emojis all by their name, just so you know. Exactly. And preferred pronouns, although those these days disappearing a little bit, not as many preferred pronouns. Vanishing, Vanishing very rapidly. But what do they want? They want us to just keep supporting Ukraine until what? Until Russia decides that it isn't going to try to take this territory from Ukraine. You, you know, we are in what is a, effectively a war. We are the supplier of a war of attrition, the supply side of a war of attrition. There is no world, no future in which the Russian forces are annihilated and all kicked out of Ukraine. That is absolutely. No one thinks that's going to happen. So what is the benefit of the perpetuation of the war right now, given that reality? We talked before about what happened in the US Civil War. Well, there was a pathway to end the Confederate, you know, end the Confederate forces, and they took it and they realized that and the electorate gave Lincoln another term. No one thinks there's a pathway to expel Russia entirely. So in the meantime, because of the political views that people have of Trump, they're going to want this conflict, which, who knows? I mean, if you look at the numbers, they've got to be having, I don't know, tens of thousands of casualties, certainly thousands of casualties a month. I guess it depends on where you are in the fighting and what, you know, what, what the current levels are. But that's horrible. These are people getting killed, getting their arms blown off for what?
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Buck Sexton
Yes.
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Clay Travis
You know, and this is, and no one seems to want to ask this question. Honestly. It's all, you're a Putin stooge or he's going to roll through all of Europe. No one's saying that, that Trump is. Trump isn't saying, you know, Zelensky, surrender. He's saying, let's figure out what both sides want. Here's, here's the thing. We don't even know what Putin wants.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah.
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Clay Travis
Shouldn't everybody have some idea? Like, we know he doesn't want Ukraine and NATO. Fine. And that's pretty reasonable, actually, from the Russian point of view. I know Russia is the bad guy, but, you know, they don't want a massive military alliance going all the way up to their border in territory that used to be Russian or Soviet territory. So what, what if it's something that Ukraine could live with? If it's something that Ukraine couldn't live with? Let's say, let's say Putin was like, you know what? I, I want to have a puppet government installed in, in Kiev. I know we're supposed to say Kiev now, but whatever, I eat the chicken, you know, chicken Kiev, Kiev. And, you know, we want our own government there and we want to have full control. Ok, well, at least we know what the end game is and we can decide, are we going to try to back Ukraine to defeat Russia for the next 10 years. You know, wars can go on a very long time. The Iran Iraq war went on for almost a decade, like nine years. Hundreds of thousands of people killed for nothing. By the way, there was, there's not some great outcome of this where it's like, oh, it was worth all the price and blood and treasure. And that's where Kissinger said one of the most immoral things of all time. But people think it's really funny, which is, you know, I wish both sides could lose, or we were hoping for both sides to lose. Both sides did lose. A lot of people got, got killed.
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Buck Sexton
Look at what happened in Korea. We still have a demilitarized zone. And I don't think they've ever had an official peace in Korea, even after the Korean War. So here's what needs to happen. And I think Trump understands better than anybody. Both sides need to have an ability to claim that they had victory when they go back to their camps. Zelensky needs to be able to say, because of the bravery of the Ukrainian soldier, we stood up against Russian aggression and we managed to gain something. Meanwhile, Vladimir Putin needs to go back to Russia and say our invasion preserved in some way a Russian victory. Both sides, you know how to boxing match buck. Both sides, as soon as the bell ends, turn to their respective corners and what do they do? They immediately raise their hands above their head. Even if you got your butt kicked as a boxer, they tell you to look like you won for purposes of the judges, let the judges con make the decision about who won. But you go back and celebrate. If you're not knocked out at the end of a boxing fight, that's what we need to give the opportunity to both Zelensky and Putin to do. Trump, as a master negotiator, certainly understands that. I think he also understands that the United States has been so in favor of Ukraine that he needs to give maneuverability to Putin to get peace sold. And by restricting our further tax dollars going to Ukraine, he is hastening the end of this war. And so I, I look, what are we sitting at right now? February 19th. I think there is a good chance, Buck, by May 1st, that there is a ceasefire in place in Ukraine. And remember why this is significant. When the weather gets good, there's typically when the fighting kicks up. So he is acting right now in what is still European winter. When there's snow on the ground, it's harder to maneuver. When we get to the spring, we need to have a ceasefire in place. Or frankly, Russia is poised to overrun even more of Ukraine because they don't have enough men. This is where the raw manpower of Russia is taking advantage, which you talked about years ago on this program.
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Clay Travis
This is. Russia doesn't have to be good, they just have to want to keep doing it. That's the problem. They don't have to be that skilled. They don't have to have good generals. I mean, look at, look at the history of Russia for the last hundred plus years. It's vast. You can't control. It has a ton of natural resources and will throw its men into a meat grinder for years. So it's just a very, it's a very different strategic calculation that they make on these things in terms of the cost benefit analysis than what we have. But also note this Clay, if, if Trump brings this Russian, Russia, Ukraine war to a conclusion rapidly, if it happens even just in his first year in office, I think that that's very, it's a very powerful reminder of how insane it was that the Democrats had Joe Biden in office for those years. You didn't really have a commander in chief. You didn't have somebody who had the mental and physical capabilities to tackle something like this and to really. Because, you know, it's not just two people talking, right? It's gotta be lining this up with the various diplomats and the outreach they're gonna do, the negotiators, the strategy. But there always has to be, whether it's a company or the United States of America, you need somebody with a vision. You need somebody who sees the future you're trying to go toward in order to give everybody else the marching orders to achieve it. And we did not have that at all. And I don't think anybody can even argue we did under Joe Biden. So just the fact now that, you know, the, the head of the entity, the guy calling the shots, is actually calling the shots. And Donald Trump gives us a realistic hope of bringing this carnage to an end. And I just, I truly pray that Donald Trump is able, is able to do it and able to get Zelensky to heal on this a bit and do what it. Do what is necessary. Because, you know, wouldn't it be so, wouldn't it be so nice we go back just focusing on domestic American challenges and making sure that we're as wealthy and safe and secure and happy as we can be and not spend so much of our time on some distant war that people want to make us believe is going to be at our doorstep unless we have a blank check to a corrupt regime where who knows where all this money and weaponry and everything else is going. I think it's very fair to just say enough. Enough is enough.
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Buck Sexton
You're listening to team 47 with Clay and Buck. We are joined now by our friend Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson, and we're going to dive into the latest on the budget and the priorities of 2025 in the Senate with him in a moment. But I actually want to start with you because I know the conversation about Ukraine has been very detailed of late and you have met with Zelensky before and I'm curious what your experience has been like with him and what your thoughts are on the attempt to bring peace to the region after almost three years of war now.
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Unknown
Yeah, I was the chairman of the European Subcommittee when he became president of Ukraine. So I was the only member of Congress in his inauguration in May of 2019. Then I went back with Senator Chris Murphy in September. At that point in time, President Zelensky told us that he knew he could not dislodge Russia from the Donbas or from Crimea and that he had to do a peace deal with him. He knew it wouldn't be popular in Ukraine, so that's what he had to do. So, you know, obviously things change and he encouraged by the Biden administration to resist Putin. And, you know, now we've got this three year bloody stalemate and I'm completely on board with what President Trump wants to do, which is to end the war. There's no way that Putin is going to lose that war. You have to face that reality. You know, none of us like that reality, but it's just true. So the door has to end.
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Buck Sexton
I think it's fair to say that Zelensky was invaded by Russia partly because Biden was there and Putin didn't trust Biden's toughness. Do you think also there would have been peace sooner if Biden and his administration had been open to it, as opposed to what now looks like the loss of hundreds of thousands of lives, both Ukrainian and Russian.
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Unknown
Yeah, yeah. I was not in Istanbul, but you hear stories of the fact that they were very close to a peace deal. If not had a peace deal, then Biden sent born job Boris Johnson in there to kind of blow that thing up. So, sure. First of all, the war never should have started. We should have told Russia, no, we're not going to offer Ukraine NATO membership. I think that probably would have prevented it right there. We could have probably done more in terms of arming Ukraine early to deter Putin. But again, they had a peace agreement, as we're told, and that got blown up by Boris Johnson at the behest of Biden. So, no, this thing never should have started, never should have gone on this long.
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Clay Travis
Do you think Senator Johnson appreciate you being with us? It's Buck. Do you think that this is something that President Trump will be able to bring at least to a ceasefire relatively quickly? Do you think that we could see it by the summer? I know I'm asking you to project out a little bit, but just based on your sense of Trump and his team and Secretary Rubio's capabilities and the realities on the ground here and, you know, the, the strategic realities on top of all of that, what kind of a timeline are you hopeful Trump can.
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Unknown
Achieve as soon as possible? Again, I'm not going to like the deal. I don't think anybody's going to like the deal. You know, maybe Putin will like the deal. You know, again, this is, this is awful. But every day that goes by, the deal gets worse because more Ukrainians, more Russian conscripts die, more Ukraine gets destroyed. So, again, I've just been focusing. Got to end this war. I've been saying that for a couple of years now.
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Buck Sexton
Let's go into the budget situation. Long night in the Senate. A lot of things that are going to be occurring. What should the our listeners know about where we are headed with the budget process here in 2025?
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Unknown
You have to know the numbers. You know, in Washington, D.C. they don't really like talking numbers much, but the facts are, in 2019, we spent $4.4 trillion. Then we had Covid went on a massive bipartisan spending spree, spend almost 6.6 trillion. And I've said this in the past, no family, if they had an illness, had to borrow $50,000, pay medical bills. If that family member got well, you wouldn't keep borrowing $50,000 and spend at that level, that would be insane. But that's exactly what the federal government has done. The last five years, we've averaged $6.5 trillion. Last year we spent 6.9. This year we're on a path to spend $7.3 trillion. So 4.4 to $7.3 trillion, that's a 63% increase, while our population has grown 2.6%. So what we need to do is we need to return like a family would to some kind of pre pandemic spending level. I've laid out four options. What happened is Chairman Graham of the Budget Committee took my option where I said, use President Trump's own budget for 2025. Back before he left office, he projected out his budget for 2025. If you use his numbers, plus day Social Security, Medicare and interest, you'd be spending about $6,061,000,000,000. That is what we used in the budget we passed last night in the U.S. senate. I've laid out other options, too. If you use Clinton's spending from 1998 and you increase it by population growth and inflation, plus this year's Social Security, Medicare and interest, that'd be $5.5 trillion. And we'd virtually have balanced budget. In other words, using Clinton's spending priorities, inflate it. We'd have a balanced budget. If you use Obama's spending priorities from 2014, it'd be $6.2 trillion. So I've laid out, I tell my colleagues, you all campaign on zero based budgeting, right? We'll never do it, but this is the next best thing. How about a 5.5 for a $6.1 trillion based budget? Let's do that. What the House is doing is they're basically starting at $7.3 trillion and they're suffering death by a thousand cuts because everybody, we can't cut that, can't cut that, can't cut that. And so the House budget, you know, listen, I appreciate the difficult nature of this, appreciate what they're trying to do, but they're basically going from $7.3 trillion, and at most they'll cut 200 billion from that and end up at 7.1 trillion. That's totally inadequate. It sounds like a big number we're going to demand. We're going to cut $1.5 trillion over 10 years. And we. So my message to President Trump, I told this to Vice President Vance when he's in lunch this week. I said, you know, I don't think anybody that voted for you either, or President Trump Expect you to be spending at President Biden's levels. But that in fact is what we're doing here. That's what the House budget does.
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Clay Travis
Speaking to Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and Senator, there's been a lot of noise from Democrats, Senator, Senate colleagues of yours, various Democrat appointee judges from the federal bench, trying to prevent access to, to these kinds of numbers about spending, whether it's at the Treasury Department. I know the IRS has gotten a visit from Doge. Do you think that that's all being worked out and that Trump's, you know, stamp of approval on Elon and the Doge team to go in and do this is going to be respected or. Because to a lot of people, it just seems like Democrats are obstructing something that should be truly bipartisan, which is, let's see if they can find fraud, waste and abuse. And where they find it, they should be able to, you know, the government should deal with it.
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Unknown
Well, Democrats use government to fund their radical left ideology and they don't want the public to see it. And so they are resisting it. You know, the good news is the courts are actually supporting President Trump. I completely support what Elon Musk is doing. I mean, the narrative is always unelected. All the bureaucrats that refused to turn over information to members of Congress and American public, they are unelected. I have a far greater faith in a representative from a duly elected president elected to do just this, going in there and uncovering this. Now the trick's going to be just because Elon Musk and Doge uncovers the waste, fraud and abuse doesn't make it go away. We have to do that through the legislative process. And again, that's why I been supporting a keep it simple process, what the Senate is doing. Okay, let's first start by giving Trump the resources he needs to secure the border, defend this nation. I would actually do a three step process. Next I come back using that same budget, by the way, in passing that we use current policy on taxes, which means all we have to do is come back a second reconciliation, say we're going to extend the current tax code. As complex, as awful as it is, we by doing that, we would prevent a massive automatic tax increase that occurred in 2026. Then we come back in the third round with the fiscal 2026 budget and that's where we do all the other stuff. I mean, that's where you simplify, rationalize the tax code. That's where we take a look at Trump's tax proposals. That's when we do the pre pandemic spending level, not going to be easy. But as you're seeing the House, the one big beautiful bill, is one really complex bill, which I think is probably one really impossible to pass bill right off the bat. And President Trump needs the border funding.
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Buck Sexton
Now we're talking to Senator Ron Johnson. You made the analogy, and I think it's a good one. In 2019, we had a $4.4 trillion budget. Democrats, but also Republicans signed on to blow up that bill, that budget, during COVID money just flew out. We ratcheted up the national debt by a massive degree. Isn't there also a pretty good historical analogy here? Uh, look, we responded, you know, and you've been on the show a lot. Much of the government and much of society failed in responding to Covid. But if you go back historically, During World War II, we ratcheted up spending massively for the federal government. But as soon as World War II was over, we dialed that back down and came back to some form of sanity because we weren't fighting the war anymore. Isn't it kind of crazy that there's almost no debate about the budgetary policies that were put in place during COVID being retracted at all? Like, I don't think most people even contemplate or discuss this.
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Unknown
Well, one of the devious things the unit party has done is they've transferred discretionary spending into the mandatory counts. So we've increased other mandatory, not Social Security, Medicare, or even Medicaid. We've increased from 642 billion to 1.3 trillion since 2019. One thing this is three omnibuses ago, I asked my Senate colleagues, Republican colleagues say, hey, anybody know how much in total the federal government spent last year? I asked the Washington press corps that nobody knew. We never talk about it. One of the press guys said, well, I think it was over a trillion dollars. Now that's discretionary spending. That's less than 30% of our budget. So we put so much of a federal budget on automatic pilots. We're supposedly the 535 member board of directors of the largest financial aid in the world. And we don't even know in total what we spend. Now because I raised that issue three years ago. People are aware, but they're looking at, again, if you start it $7.3 trillion and try and cut your way through pre pandemic level, you'll never get there. You have to start at some pre pandemic level baseline again. I've laid out Clinton 1998, Obama 2014. Even Trump's 2019. If you inflate that, you'd only be at 6.5 trillion. I still think that's too high, but it's $800 billion below where we are right now, and it's over half a trillion below where the House is trying to struggle passing a budget.
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Clay Travis
Thanks so much for being with us, Senator Ron Johnson.
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Unknown
I'm not saying the Senate's gonna have a good time, easy time getting down that level, but at least our budget says 6 trillion. 61 billion.
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Clay Travis
Okay. Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, thanks for being with us, sir.
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Unknown
Have a great day.
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Buck Sexton
This is team 47 with Clay and Buck. Donald Trump just a few moments ago. He's got the governors all visiting with him at the White House. And I want to play this cut for you. We'll take some calls as we roll through the final hour here. But the governor of Maine is refusing to follow the regulation Trump signed saying men can't compete in women's sports. That doesn't seem like a really complicated regulation to follow. But Trump, just to the governor of Maine's face, called her out. Listen to this. It just happened.
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Donald Trump
The NCAA has complied immediately, by the way. That's good. But I understand Maine is the Maine here, the governor of Maine. Are you not going to comply with it?
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Clay Travis
I'm complying with state and federal laws.
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Donald Trump
Well, we are the federal law. Well, you better do it. You better do it, because you're not going to get any federal funding at all if you. And by the way, your population, even though it's somewhat liberal, although I did very well there, your population doesn't want men playing in women's sports. So you better come, you better comply, because otherwise you're not getting any, any federal funding. Every state. Good. I'll see you in court. I look forward to that. That should be a real easy one. And enjoy your life after, Governor, because I don't think you'll be in elected politics.
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Buck Sexton
Oh, man, that is incredible. That just happened. The governor of Maine is saying she will see Trump in court over whether men should be able to play women's sports. This is emblematic, I think, of the Trump derangement syndrome that has taken over in the Democrat Party. They are taking constantly positions that 20% of the population agrees with and fighting with Trump over them. Of all the things you could disagree with Trump on in Maine, can you imagine saying, I'm going to fight to the death over whether men can compete in women's sports? We got a lot of people listening in Maine and Trump is right. I believe he only lost maine by about 6 or 7 points if I remember the math, meaning a solid 45% ish or 46% of Maine voters support Trump. But even in Maine, this is like a 9010 issue and for this to be the ground that Democrats have decided this is where we're putting our feet in, this is what we're not going to give any ground on. I just, I can't believe this is real. That was a masterclass that we just played that just happened a few minutes ago of Trump with the main governor in the White House.
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Clay Travis
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Buck Sexton
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Clay Travis
Eagles are Super Bowl Champions.
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Buck Sexton
It's over. Fly, Eagles, fly.
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Clay Travis
Celebrate the big win with the official licensed Super Bowl Champions gear, available now@nflshop.com the Eagles win at Super Bowl 59. From jerseys to hats to must have collectibles, we've got everything you need to rep your team with pride.
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Buck Sexton
Don't wait.
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Clay Travis
These styles won't last. Shop now@nflshop.com and gear up like a champion.
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