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The Future of America First — Royce White Exposes the Real Fight | Ep. 77
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
Today I'm honored to welcome America First, Minnesota 2026 senatorial candidate Royce White on the David Rutherford show. Now let me start by reading this to you because this is what you have to understand. This is what I believe encapsulate what the future and the modern evolution of the America first movement stands for and comes from in terms of a mission statement, an idea. So this is what Royce writes on his website. Regardless of our individual backgrounds or beliefs, our nation is being held hostage by corrupt individuals who aim to manipulate the truth, exploit our children, subjugate us through crisis in pharmaceuticals and sow discord to keep us divided. These self serving actors continue to betray the American people, waging wars that we are forced to finance. Politicians like Tina Smith who take orders from these corrupt powers must be removed from positions of influence. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm privileged to welcome Mr. Royce White to the show. Thank you, Royce, for joining us.
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Royce White
Thank you, sir. And it's an honor as well. Thank you for your service. I appreciate, appreciate you having me on.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
You're welcome. Before we get into like, I think the, the to deconstruct the political environment that you're being forced to operate in, which is rapidly evolving and in a way that I've never seen before and since I first started paying attention to politics when I was a little boy with my dad, my dad was a big Reagan guy. It shifted him from the Democratic party over, you know, grew up, went to the University of Michigan back in the late 60s and. But this shift took place and I feel like there's a real massive shift going taking place now. And before we get into that, I would love to start with you to describe what you mean by living with sacred honor and what is that and how you came up with that concept.
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Royce White
Well, you know, to me, sacred honor is your individual code of ethics, your individual standard for living as an individual, you know, sort of within yourself, your own constitution. But then how it relates to the way you operate or live in your community, with your family out in the world. And there is, you know, there is an honor system that I think is a universal language. We see it a lot depicted in our films despite them having become ultra woke. We see them depicted in television, we see them depicted in our stories, whether they be novels, or fiction. We see them depicted in all of the archetypes of heroes that we revere throughout human history. And there's an honor. And mostly that honor is reflective of the Christian narrative, right? Where Jesus Christ makes him much different than the other religious figures, but not so different than the other archetypical heroes. Is that self sacrifice and sacrifice of one's own, let's say, individual glory or advancement or enrichment is for the betterment of something greater than themselves. And the Christ narrative is for the greater of all humanity. But, but even for an individual, it's like, do you have a code of honor? Do you have a code of ethic? Do you have a constitution that you operate by independent of the circumstances? Sort of. And it's like, I think that's what it probably means. The easiest way to put it is do you have a constitution that you operate by regardless of the circumstances? If your constitution changes a lot more so than not based on the individual set of circumstances, then ultimately you have no sacred honor and you'll be a person for hire, or you'll be a person that changes who they are, depending on the day or the month or the year.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
You know, that's something that I've had to battle within myself over the course of my life and my time. Obviously, you know, you serve and you serve during the gwat and you serve for these endless wars. And then you come to the realization perhaps, you know, I don't demean my service with the guys I served with because that was the sacred honor, that sacrificial commitment to one another, but the sacred honor of the commitment to us and why we were in those endless wars, it really, it flipped me. It started changing me. In particular the Afghan withdrawal. I mean, to invest that much time, effort, blood and sacrifice and to then again just turn over whatever $85 billion in equip and put the people that we went in to dispose back in power and then continue to pay them $40 million a week is. It's like, what is that? Sacred honor. But one of the things that was.
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Royce White
Fascinating, and I apologize for that, sir. And every American citizen should feel a sense of shame that we neglected our own civic duty and sacred honor and not holding our politicians to a better standard and a better account to be able to navigate those things politically, geopolitically, in a much better way. Because again, as far as sacred honor goes, look, besides your Dan Crenshaws who kind of shill for the thing, the machine, I don't hold any veterans guilty. I'm sure they probably feel different and struggle with that. I'm sure that has a lot to do with the mental health crisis that we see amongst the veteran community in some respects, but I never hold them personally accountable. It's like the police officers. And I think Bannon said it, and I don't think he meant it in a disrespectful way because he served in the Navy as well, but he said that, he put it like this. He said that our men and women who serve have become rent a cops for an international banking, Ponzi scheme, international banking system. And that's not a, you know, that's not a dig on the service or the sacrifice, because as a young person like me in basketball, for example, you come up with, you were taught a game, you're taught all of the characteristics and the values of teamwork and camaraderie, and even in some sense, that's imbued through a community, a sense of community. And then you get to the highest level of the deal, the NBA, and you realize it's much more commercial than it is about the purity of the sport and the comradery of the team or even the institution. And so that's a tough thing for any man to have to deal with and confront. And I'm very gracious towards our veterans and the people who have served in that regard. I don't hold them responsible. Our politicians send our men and women to war, and in a lot of cases, our politicians have gotten us into wars and instigated wars, knowing full well the implications for the men and women they send.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
So 100%, that's well put. What really triggered me on wanting to understand this concept of sacred honor behind your thoughts is I watched you on the PDB podcast and you got into almost a Philippines philosophical debate with one of his co hosts who kept presenting you, hey, why don't you just take the money, get to the power, and then change the system? And. And that's an interesting question. And I think, you know, there's a lot of people that move into politics that have the, you know, this illusion maybe of what they're getting into. In fact, you know, you talked about Dan Crenshaw, my old podcast I was on called the Team Never Quit podcast with Marcus Luttrell. We first podcast to interview Dan in his efforts. And, you know, the guy that I interviewed in that day was not the guy that I see out there right now, and certainly not the guy that I've seen engaged with many of my close friends who sought his help in these veteran Issue that he was either told to or decided was not beneficial for him. And so can you just talk about like that's that discussion. He was pressing you that you should have just taken the money in the NBA, done what they told you to do, and then that way you would have been able to have the leverage to make an impact or influence because you were ultra wealthy.
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Royce White
Well, first and foremost, I think he was mistaken, you know, on the premise of how power and leverage and ethics and honor and righteousness really work. And that doesn't surprise me because I don't know Adam. I think his name is Adam. I don't know Adam to be a very religious man anyway. I think he's Jewish, if I'm not mistaken. But I don't know him to be a very religious man. Personally. I don't know him that well, but I don't know him to be that. So I think he struggles with the concept fundamentally. And first of all, just from his perspective, you know, from a more strategic standpoint, leverage is an action word. It's a word that you have to. You have to use. You have to be willing to use in order for it to mean anything. If you don't use leverage, you don't really have it. And, you know, to think that you could sell your soul and along the way not lose the courage and motivation to use whatever perceived leverage you have is a grave mistake. It's one that people often make in Washington, D.C. and in the corporate world or anywhere else in our society. They think, hey, when I get the money, then I'll be able to flip a switch and just start doing the right thing. That proves to be very difficult usually in our society today because along that path, people are tracking. Our society has a way of not allowing individuals to rise to a level of influence without making sure that they'll play ball. Right. In Washington, D.C. they call that the steady hands. A pair of steady hands is a person who will forego the moral and ethical consideration in the interest of the status quo. And there are a lot of steady hands in Washington D.C. and there are a lot of people trying to break into Washington D.C. who the deep state already knows aren't going to be steady hands. They're not going to play like, nice. These are the people that don't get funding. So, you know, again, and for the NBA example, let's say I had foregone the argument about mental health and mental health policy that mental health, by the way, I just.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
I'm sorry to cut you off. Yeah, that for me, because we're engaged in the same fight in our side and the veterans side. And there is, there is a continuity. The times that I've worked with professional teams and as a motivational coach and support, you know, they're very similar things taking place within the. What is it? The sense of commoditization that comes from the soul, right?
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Royce White
No doubt.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
And then the mental health aspect of that grind and that beat down and that whole thing. So when you came out in that capacity was also one of the other things that just really made me gravitate towards that message. And because I'm fighting a similar message now, they won't even acknowledge the profound impact of a 20 year global war on terror and the impacts in particular in my community. So it really was impressive that you took that fight to an organization as large and as vast.
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Royce White
Well, and you think the NBA is. I always used to say that there's a global corporate community and that the global corporate community is a watering hole for all of the problems, all of the issues of humanity, the human condition. So the NBA again, for example, when I fought this mental health battle, you could say, oh, well, what does mental health matter? You're making millions of dollars. That's not the point. The point is that mental health is a social issue that's being avoided by the greater corporate community and it's being intentionally measured, meaning they know for. Again, for example, when I spoke out about mental health, I had no clue that Big tech already was projecting the ability to manipulate vast amounts of people through social media and social engineering. That didn't dawn on me at the time. I was more so talking about legitimate sort of dsm, anxiety, depression, bipolar, schizophrenia, drug abuse, drug addiction, that type of scope of things. So even I was behind in a sense. But I had the intuition that, wait a second, there is a global corporate community and there's a reason why the NBA as an institution who stands to benefit as being a kind of a tip of the spear on social issues. Right? They don't want any part of this issue. They don't want any part of this conversation. They certainly don't want any part of policy around it. But back to your point about Adam and his claim that I should have taken the money. Let's say I had foregone the mental health fight when China came up, when the LGBTQ came up, when the vaccine came up, I would have been blackballed for all of those as well. So you see how there's a trajectory there where if you want to speak the truth and if you Speak the truth. From day one, you have set yourself on a course to encounter the wickedness and evil of the institution, the spirit of the institution all along your journey. And that's kind of the. That's what makes heroes heroes. You're signing up for that. You're saying, hey, I know the NBA is gonna. I got a son coming up, he's 14 years old, he wants to play in the NBA. You think it's gonna be easy for him? I'd say not. I'd say he's gonna have to be so much better than the best guy. It looks almost intentional that they don't give him an opportunity. And I tell him that every day. It's like, hey, man, you gotta realize, I went against one of the most influential institutions in the entire world and I was vindicated. I was found to be right. Not only has the mental health crisis exploded worldwide, it exploded in the NBA specifically. And now it's been twisted and perverted. And that's my own kind of regret, is that I wasn't wise enough at 21 years old to see that mental health would be used, like many other things are, as a sort of catch all phrase to justify two spirit, lgbtq, transgender, academia. I didn't realize that that wasn't even on my radar because at the time, I didn't even know what transgender was. The trans wasn't a thing when I was 21 years old, but that certainly has happened. So now I feel kind of regretful in some sense that mental health was an issue that was ignored, and then it was absorbed, and then it was twisted, and now it's being used as a weapon. And that's how a lot of things are being used in society, right?
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
Yep, absolutely. It's interesting, you know, you think about, you know, the, the naivete that we have as young men, right? And whether it was you imagining moving in, you worked your butt off to get to that point, right, where you could be in consideration of, of an elite group, right? And then when you get there, it's not what it's turned out to be. It's not what it is. And so what does that do that forces you to wake up to, well, what don't I know? What haven't I been paying attention? And then what is the messaging like you're saying is the manipulate, the perpetual repackaging of real issues in the way that usurps that sacred honor to want to know the truth?
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Royce White
Yes.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
It's their constantly, like, chipping away at it. And so what I wanted it's the one constant.
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Royce White
That's the one constant of. And if you go all the way down to the root of what. What we're fighting, we can talk about American history, we can talk about Western history, we can talk about the history of modern civilization. You could skin this cat a thousand different ways. But it all goes back. In my opinion, it all goes down to man's fight against convenience. On my show on Saturday mornings, Real America's Voice, I say that convenience will be the death of freedom. And mankind has this perpetual relationship with industrialization and technological advancement. And it is clear those two. You know, those two things will continuously seduce us into giving up more of our freedom, but more of our sacred honor in pursuit of making things easier. And it's such a genius thing. This is how, you know, it's metaphysical or supernatural, that there's real powers and principalities and the devil is involved in that domain of human existence because it goes right down to our biological matrix. We as human beings are hardwired to try and make things more efficient out of survival. So, of course, if you give us an automobile versus a bicycle, we say, yeah, we like that. And then if you give us a hover car, and then if you let us teleport, and then if you. I mean, we'll just go all the way over the cliff in pursuit of. Of the perception that things are made easier. And that's what I was telling Adam to go back to the comment that you made about taking the money. Yeah, you can take the money all the way into the grave. The question is, where do you go after if you don't believe there's an after? We can't trust you to make moral and ethical decisions because what's to keep you from. You don't even know what you don't know. You're not even thinking along those lines. Your framework is built on efficiency. This is the danger of AI and, you know, all these other things that are on the horizon for us, we. And we're just walking right into that. I mean, AI is probably the best example of, you know, we don't know how to stop ourselves. We will just go full tilt, walk into something we know is completely dangerous. And everybody kind of. And you wonder. I'm like, I get why Elon Musk has a technocrat sycophant mentality because he's an engineer and he's a tech guy. Makes perfect sense for him. My question is how all these other average American citizens or. Or people all around the world watch it and go, yeah, okay. It's like what?
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
Well I, it's. I, so I, I, you know, I work for a financial company for my day job and I, I speak all over the country, you know, probably 100 plus events a year, 30 different states last year and people that are involved in this industry. And I ask regularly, what's the greatest fear you have? AI. Why? Because it's going to replace our jobs. We're not, they're not going to be needed. We're not going to be advisors, whatever it is. And then I say all right, well who in the room has educated yourself at the highest level of it? Because they're all obviously smart people in quotations because they've gotten to where they got well, who's educated how, how much, how aware are you of, of, of this reality? And, and, and all very few, less than probably 5% have actually gone done the work, educated themselves on AI. What is, what a, what, what is the, the ways they can use it to be beneficial versus this fear that's coming behind it or, or this intentional cognitive dissonance, right? If I, if I don't touch it, it's not going to affect. Well, the challenge is the, the next generation, they're figuring this out. They're being forced to. And I think, you know, they're with. Even though, you know, I think Elon, I think my, my intuition is that he believes if he can create a counterpoint to the evil of it, like they'll be able to battle it out for our futures, right? Maybe something like that. But for us that have to exist in, through this right, which is for our souls, right? That's what they're going after, right? To enslave our souls in some capacity with a regimented set of ideology or ideas or manipulation. Whatever that global governance thing is. We see with young people though that 24 year old kid like you and I were, that were naive and impressionable, they're gaining access to a whole new set of ideas, a whole new system that probably a potentiality of a new system that they might be in control of. But there's also, there's, there's a change taking place in, in the conservative movement. But before we get there, I just want to give time for one of our great sponsors, Patriot Mobile. You know, freedom has never been really free and I think that's what we're talking about today with you and you run it. And lately we've been reminded how high the cost can be. Growing violence, radical ideas shift in politics. Right? All this is meant to shake us to our core. But it should only strengthen our resolve and we should never back down. That's why Patriot Mobile exists. For over 12 years they've been defending faith, family and freedom while providing the same or better premium network access on all three major US Networks. Listen, they've got unlimited dash mobile hotspots, international roaming. They do all of it. Now when you switch, you don't sacrifice quality or service. Hundreds of thousands have joined the movement by switching their self service to Patriot Mobile. Now every time they pay their bill, they're supporting the first amendment, the second amendment, the sanctity of life and our veterans and first responders. Switching is easy. Keep your number, keep your phone. Or you can upgrade their 100%. US based customer support team can activate you in minutes on the phone. All right, I want you to call 972-patriot or visit patriotmobile.com rutherford right now. All right, listen up. Listen to what I'm telling you. Use my promo code, right? Type in Rutherford R U T H E R F O R D and you will receive a free month of service. That is a deal. That's patriotmobile.com rutherford or call 972-patriot and make the switch.
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How do you define what the new conservative movement is going to look like? Or what do you assume it's going to look like? And then what is really, what is America First?
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Royce White
Well, the new conservative movement is by default MAGA because President Trump won in 2024 and he continues to be the most powerful political force that we've seen, at least on an individual, maybe in the history of our nation. Obviously, the cabal of globalists that have influence on our government and our special interests and lobbies rival his power as well. But as an individual, there hasn't been a President Trump and I don't know if we'll have another President Trump anytime in the near future. I certainly don't think that I would fit the mold. A lot of special things had to come together for President Trump to be where he and who he is. And there's just a lot of divine. There's a lot of divine destiny in his journey. So right now, the conservative movement is maga, but it's fighting itself. There's no doubt and for good reason. My contention is that the conservative movement in its foundations was always kind of fraudulent. First of all, you gotta go back to the conservative movement specifically. I'm not talking about the Republican Party or conservatism or Christianity or any of these other very closely associated sects of our society. I'm talking about the conservative movement. The conservative movement doesn't even get its start until after World War II. Well, right there we have a problem, because after World War II, the prevailing geopolitical philosophy informing not only our liberal institutions, but the conservatives that come through them as well, was the post World War II Democrat liberal order. If your conservatives, if your mainstream conservative thought leaders are commissioned or their goal is to conserve the Democrat liberal order, it's kind of saying the quiet part out loud already, right? You look at some of these early conservatives, like Barry Goldwater, who were shunned right out of the gang gate. I mean, you know, the more genuine America first sort of nationalist, populist Christian conservatives were shunned right out of the gate, replaced by people who were more favorable for the status quo, the new status quo. So then you get Kissinger. I mean, then you get Nixon and Kissinger. Right. I mean, again, right out of the gate. And then you get Reagan. Right. And then you get the Bushes and this entire neoconservative movement who were intellectually Trotsky. Right. I mean, Bill Kristol's father. I don't think people understand the lineage here. Bill Kristol's father, Irving Kristol, was a publicly admitted Trotskyite.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
That's right.
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Royce White
And Trotsky was, you know, a communist. No other way to put it. And, you know, after Lenin and Stalin took power there in Russia, they kicked the Trotskyites out because that's how Communists usually do when there's a power grab. They tend to knife each other in the back.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
Literally.
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Royce White
Yeah, yeah. And Trotsky ends up in Mexico, and then they end up being in the early inception of the neoconservative wing of the Republican Party. So in that sense, the conservative movement has always had one hand or one foot on Both sides of the fence. And that's changing now. I mean, President Trump was the inception of Republican voters and Christians and patriots and what has now become the MAGA coalition, taking a strong look at their own side of the aisle and going, going, wait a minute. Why is it that over the last 30 to 40 years, the conservatives have had the House and the Senate just as many times as the Democrats, yet still we get the same results? We're not buying that narrative. This isn't just some political football or Insider Baseball in D.C. there's something going on here known as the uniparty. And I think the conservative movement now is going through a hard, a hard restructuring and there's a knife fight. It's bloody and rightfully so. My fear, if I'm being honest, is that Charlie Kirk's assassination, President Trump's tendency to try and save what's left, of legacy, of legacy and legacy institutions and Israel's influence over our politicians and the media and the Christian evangelical wing of the conservative movement may in fact knock America off track here. I hope not. God forbid. I hope that the MAGA movement and the America first movement prevail. But I just see such. And with the young people, it's. The polls speak for themselves. The young people are very open to reimagining our foreign policy the way that it should be for an America first priority. But the question is, how involved are young people in the political process, especially on our side of the aisle? We'll see that. Time will tell. We won't know that until 2026 and 2028.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
But.
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Royce White
But when I go to the Republican Party events, whether they be BPOU meetings or conventions or congressional district conventions, very, very boomer heavy, very few young people, very few people under 50, let alone under 30. So the America first wing of 15 to 30 year olds, it may take them a while unless they're led, unless they're organized properly, may take them a while to have that immediate influence on the political process. And what is the conservative movement going forward?
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
Well, I found it fascinating. I went back and I found a little speech that you gave on 9:27, 24, and you made a comment about being from the next generation and that people need to really focus on offering the opportunity for cordial exchange, change. And then you went on to say, because there is a high degree of probability that this upcoming generation, who is becoming disenfranchised on both sides, though we see it on the left and the right for a lack of maybe the attainable American dream or whatever, that that's become right. Have you say that that generation is, is going to be. Be a lot more predisposed for a real battle. And I thought if you could expand on what you mean by that, why do you believe that traditional. And goes back to. I think what you are insinuating with the Uni Party is like the conservative movement, although we go in power, we never seem to bring to fruition the promises that were made on the campaign trail. Right. We're not like the big beautiful Bill tells us they're going to cut spudding spending. Doge comes in and all this, and yet we're still sitting here going, well, none of this stuff has been enacted. None of this stuff. And so that's, that's generating hostilities, I.
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Royce White
Think, to it from both sides, no doubt. Well, yeah, the younger generation is always much less amenable to the status quo. And you know, the danger of that, I guess, is that all revolutions aren't made equal and righteous. It's completely possible that this is the heresy of the left. They think that all revolutions are made equal and righteous. That if a revolution by its own standards is automatically a net positive, which is just crazy, naive and somewhat sinister, manipulative way to think about human history or the human condition. People are naturally wicked or they tend to be wicked or they're corruptible. So it's no different in the conservative movement. There's a young, stronger, more frustrated, angry wing of the conservative movement or the right wing that isn't going to play nice when they finally say enough is enough and they decide to run for office and they will win. Just like I was able to make a huge dent here in Minnesota with no backing from the establishment, no major donors or anything of the sort, because the truth has equal, you know, equal power in some sense to the money. You know, they're not gonna, they're not gonna go along with this, with this scam. And you know, again, to talk about the scam is just like the reason the conservatives have traditionally not changed anything is because they take one side of the grift. This is what the unit party is about. You got, you know, there's what, about $5 trillion a year, 6 trillion on pay paper that gets divvied up between about 4,002 to 4,000 bureaucrats and all of their ancillary special interests and lobbies. And you get the left wing who's willing to trade their freedom for the security of social status, public approval and basic needs, welfare, let's call it Medicaid, and then the right Wing is willing to trade their freedom for the security of a military industrial complex and a police state. And they are, and that's been.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
And.
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Royce White
The beating heart of the MAGA movement is rooted in our view of foreign policy. So whether you say it's foreign policy or domestic chicken before the egg cart before the horse, okay, you can have that semantical argument, but essentially make America Great Again in the America first movement, said, for too long we've neglected the American citizen and the value of American citizenship and just fundamentals like what our country is built upon, the ideas, but even structurally, like the manufacturing, for example. So the conservative movement has been very hesitant to change the fundamentals of one of the pillars in American politics, and that is foreign policy.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
I love that answer. I think you're spot on on that evaluation, and I think it prevails in the numbers from your last race against Senator Klobuchar. You know, she came in, got a total of 305,000 votes in her primary. Your primary was much tougher, but you end up victorious with 74,800. But then that main race came, and, you know, it says it was decidedly different, that it was a runaway with her at 1.792, you at 1.29. But, you know, the lower ballot races, I mean, you take that Libertarian Party and you take the other, and, man, you combine those. That's 100,000 votes that could have gone towards you if people had understood your message a little bit better. And I think that funding was indicative of it. She raised $21,400,000, spent 23 million for a Senate race, which is just astronomical. Right. And you ended with raised 1.5 and spent 1.4. And I. And I just think the fact that you were able to chip away at such a linchpin of Democratic and Minnesota politics proves that this next race that, you know, you're going up against Tina Smith, I think you've got to feel a momentum building for sure. How will you address this race a little bit differently from the last?
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Royce White
Well, we start. We started earlier. That's the key. And you have to give up on the public perception of what a race is supposed to be and how it's supposed to go. We have this crazy fantasy that we gave over control, corporate control, educational control, to our enemies, our liberal enemies. And I do think they're enemies, these genuine enemies of this country and of American citizenship. And then all of a sudden, we're gonna run these candidates out there one time, and they're gonna win with all of the media and all the money against them. It's kind of embarrassing that we even believe that that's even a part of our strategy. I mean, no good military man would ever come and say, we're gonna win this on the first day of battle. No, we're not. That's ridiculous. Right. Same sort of thing. So. So I just decided I'm gonna run until we win because I know I'm telling the truth. And I'm young. I'm 34 now. If I was 70, 75, then maybe I'd do something different. But at 34, I'm gonna run until we win. And we're gonna keep chipping away, and we're gonna let the momentum of history fall in our favor. And it did it with Biden and Kamala Harris and Amy Klobuchar, and it will do it again for Tina's open seat. She actually resigned. So I'm not running against her. I'll probably, probably be running against Peggy Flanagan.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
Okay.
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Royce White
Who is our lieutenant governor. You know, protect trans rights with the blade T shirt. I don't know if you saw that.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
I did. I remember that.
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Royce White
Yeah. She's a Tim Waltz sycophant and she was just endorsed by Bernie Sanders. So that's probably going to be my. My opponent. And it's. It's interesting. Like, we started earlier this time in the last race. I didn't really get up and running until after I won the endorsement, which would have been May of that of that election cycle. And then the general was in November. Right. So you got about six months to really run a campaign this time. I started the day after I lost. And so a lot of what we've been doing in terms of getting out message, putting out content, connecting with the people here in Minnesota, being at all of the inter Republican Party events, and making sure that MAGA still has a presence, even though the Minnesota Republican Party's leadership and establishment loves them some Nikki Haley. Right. So we started earlier. For example, a year prior to the 2024 election, I wasn't at the State Fair. A year prior to this upcoming 2026 midterm, we'll have been at the state fair two times. And over 1.2 million Minnesotans come through that state fair in 11 days. And we gave away a thousand Jesus is King T shirts at the state fair. And it was a major success. And we heard from 11 lot of Christians and even people who are like, hey, I'm not religious, but man, I dig that sign because shit is getting crazy out here.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
Yeah.
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Royce White
So you know Just little things like that and understanding how to navigate the, the, the discrepancy in money that, that's always going to be there as long as the globalists are more aligned with, with the Democrat and liberal politics. You know, for example, I have these, these mobile billboards that, that cost me probably, you know, seven to eight grand. A tenth of what it would cost to occupy a major Clear Channel billboard on an interstate. And we drive those things all around the state. We have volunteer drivers hop in and they'd spend a day, 10 hours just driving across the state of Minnesota, driving through the inner city. So we're much more savvy about how we run a ground game and a small game versus a big machine. Seen.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
Well, I think you've seen such a tremendous shift. I mean, obviously, if, if, and I don't think anybody on either side of the aisle can deny the massive impact that podcasting is happening. Right. You know, my best friend is Sean Ryan and you know, him bringing the guys on Theo Vaughn's, you know, in, you know, Joe Rogan with the President. I mean, these are a shift in how the, the political game is being played. And you know, I've, I've listened to that lieutenant, assistant Lieutenant Governor and you know, you versus her on behind a microphone, it's not even a challenge.
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Royce White
Right.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
And, and that's their, their thing is they're still looking for the five minute snippet or the two minute.
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Royce White
They'll keep her away from me, you know, and they do it. They, they kept Amy away from me. If you go back and watch our debate. Oh, I did listen to the whole thing. And they, yeah, they, they waited until the weekend before the general election was gonna take place. So it was literally days before the election was gonna happen. And there's a moment in that debate which is probably my favorite moment of the entire campaign, where I asked her about, I was asked about Trump in 2020 and whether or not he won. And I said plainly, you know, it appears that he lost, but I can't be sure. And I can't be sure because Amy Klobuchar was on the record in 2018 saying that the machines can be happening happened.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
I thought that was your most beautiful moment for sure.
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Royce White
She was swallowing heavy and she was breathing. She was fidgeting a little bit. I mean, she was visibly uncomfortable. I think she probably forgot that she would, that the thing was being filmed because she, she, she showed so much discomfort when, when talking about election integrity. It's almost, it's, it's, it's Almost, it's almost unbelievable. I mean, the lack of, of chops that she showed physically as, as a city United States senator who wants narrative about the integrity of elections. But they waited until just before the election so that that couldn't circulate. Right. And that's what they're going to try and do with Peggy as well. Because after a transgender jihadist goes into a. Or goes up to a Catholic school and shoots a bunch of kids at a mass, is there any way to defend a lieutenant governor who wore a T shirt that literally promotes violence about rights? Anders. I mean, for Bernie Sanders to triple down and endorse her. Maybe he doesn't even know. I don't know. You know, politics is strange where you got a team and they'll send you something and kind of rubber stamp it and say, hey, listen, you gotta do this. And you never really get a chance to thoroughly look at it. And I would hope that Bernie, because I think Bernie's a fraud, to be honest. I don't think he's a real economic populist. You look at his relationship with the medical industrial complex and he's as much a farmer's shill as anybody. But at least for him to try and maintain a position of credibility going forward with the Mamdanis and the AOCs and some of the economic populism that does have legs. For the Democrat Party to hit your wagon to a protect trans rights with a blade in a place where children were killed at a Catholic school is almost unreal. I mean, it's brazen. It's brazen as hell.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
I think that this wing of the Democratic Party doesn't care about any of it anymore.
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Royce White
True.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
I think the, the freedom that they have to attach themselves to radical ideas is, is what's bringing the, the, the younger, more radicalized. Remember, you have three generations of radicalized kids that have come out of those schools, those elite schools all over the place who are drinking this stuff like Kool Aid and really believe that there needs to be what, an industrial revolut capitalistic revolution. Right? And they're, they're like, we're going to get the dream back and they're revolutionaries.
- [49:54]
Royce White
Right.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
But, but what, what I really think you're running for the US Senate. Like this is not, you know, a congressional district. This is, this is the US Senate. This is the big game. This is. There's no other big game out there than this, other than bp.
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Royce White
I'm glad you say that. I'm, I'm glad that you know that 100%. And what I, the U.S. senate is the last bastion of the deep sense state.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
It is that, that's, that's why, that's.
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Royce White
Why in order to even run a United States Senate, it's race, it's a running joke that you need to have already sold out to one of these major lobbies that can funnel 10 to 20 million dollars to you to be competitive. I mean even that is an obscenity and an affront to American citizenship in and of itself.
- [50:34]
Interviewer (David Rutherford)
The standard. I, I, I, I've got a friend that's running for Senate down in Alabama, Jared Hudson, a team guy and he's coming with that hardcore Christian, American first man message.
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Royce White
Is he getting a lot of money?
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
I, I don't know yet. I, I had him on back when he announced. I haven't had him on since. I haven't had a conversation on what he's raising. He's making the rounds, he's doing the deal. He's talking into the small little, you know, hamlets of, of Alabama where, where those votes matter. And you know, I, I don't know how he's doing what, what, but I do know about his foreign policy. And I think the other aspect of that debate you had with Klobuchar are, was very striking in terms of, you know, her stance on both Ukraine and her stance on Israel and Palestine and oh yeah, you know, and it's like.
- [51:22]
Royce White
I think it doesn't get any more neocon than that. And, and so except Lindsay Graham. I mean, and they're almost, they're almost attached at the hip. If there's a, if there's a great example of the unit party, Amy Klobuchar and Lindsey Graham are it.
- [51:34]
Interviewer (David Rutherford)
They're the same person. They just have an R next their name. And that's right. And what's coming out is I think, think, you know, you talk initially a little bit about that, that, that the, the policy of American security and how critical that is not only to protect jobs or re onshore jobs or you know, mineral rights or chip development or design, but it's also, I think what really resonates and, and a lot of that comes when from how vocal the GWOT guys have been on their shows and their reach influencing young, young men who look up to us in some capacity as well as athletes too. You know, there's athletes are being more vocal about what they have been forced to be conditioned to speak. Now they're talking about well that's bullshit and this isn't right. And you kind of broke the mold for, for that overt ability to, to speak your mind and what one of those core components is, hey, we need a secure border. We need to stop the forever wars. And we need to bring that, that, that ability to recapitulate that middle class, to give that hope back to young men, to be able to take care of their faith, take care of their families, and take care of the future of this great country. And you said it at best with, in another interview that you did. And this was the thing that really hit me, man. This is the one. Aside from that, the, the, the sacred honor comment, you talked about our forefather fathers and you talked about that if you give up your freedom for security, you will have neither and you deserve neither. Would you just talk about that? Because that thing, man, so heavily.
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Royce White
I was just like, that may, that may be one of the most profound statements our founding fathers made because it, you know, it cautions us about, again, the dangers of convenience and security as a whole. And the thing I like about, about our founding fathers is they were tough intellectually. They didn't spare people's feelings and they weren't politically correct. I mean, imagine during the inception of a country, you tell the constituents and the citizens, there is a scenario where you forfeit. You're deserving of your birthright because you're such a coward. I fucking love that. I just like, that's the thing, you know, they. He says, he says, you know, not only will you not have the security because you're probably too dumb to realize you gave it away, but the more important piece is you don't deserve it.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
That's right.
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Royce White
And I guess as an athlete, I kind of. It's like, you didn't deserve to win the game. You didn't work hard enough, you didn't get up early, you didn't put in the extra time. And, and you didn't. You weren't emotionally steady enough and tough enough during the game to make the plays necessary in order to win. You didn't deserve to win. And there was. There is a scenario and a thought process that we've lost in this country where what we deserve should be put on trial. What we deserve should be brought into question. Now, I think American citizens, by and large deserve much more than we're getting. That's kind of the principle of the America first movement. But the question is whether or not we demand it. Go back to your leverage, the comment about leverage. If we don't leverage our citizenship, first of all, if we don't recognize that citizenship is real and it's important. Important enough to leverage it, then we don't deserve freedom and we don't deserve security, and we won't have either one. And quite honestly, we don't have either one right now. I mean, that's kind of the reality is we think we have security. Well, how much security you have when a transgender jihadist can kill a bunch of kids at a Catholic school? And then the people who supported it and promoted it turn around and tell you you should vote for them again and you should give them more federal power where it's like, well, okay, I mean, you know, how stupid do you think we are? And they do think we're stupid and really stupid. Yeah. I say this about foreign policy. You know, it's interesting. We, we live in a reverse vassal empire. You know, in a vassal state, traditionally is where a small kingdom pays tribute to a bigger kingdom for protection, military protection. He's like, you know, I pay you a small tribute, and if I ever have trouble with my neighbors, you'll send aid. We live in a reverse vassal state where we pay everybody else to protect them. And a sound mind would ask, why would we pay? Like, for example, here in Minneapolis, which has a very dangerous downtown area crime and, you know, gun violence and things like that. Would you ever pay to go work at the most dangerous alcohol selling establishment in your respective state city? And any smart person is going to say, no, why would I go pay to be a bodyguard at the most dangerous nightclub in the, in the city? Well, you would. If you were selling drugs out of the back, you would be paying to watch over your investment. And that's what we've, we've typically done. That's, that's, that's the great sin of our military industrial complex is after World War II, we said, we're going to go around the world and bring peace and we're going to bring democracy and freedom. Buy peace through strength. Strength. And we're going to make all these nations and their people self determining. They're not deter, they're not self determining. They're dependent.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
That's right.
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Royce White
You know, we've created a protectorate system and, and we pay them all. And, and really the, the, the ugly part about the scam is it's all just a, a, a, a justification to steal our own people's tax money without much money.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
That's what I'm saying. They're not paying. The people making decisions, they're not paying. They're getting rich. We're paying. And so our way of life Our children's way of life, the next generation's way of life. That's. What's, that. They're, they're paying the tab on it.
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Royce White
Well, we don't, but we don't question it because you know, we are taught in schools that there is this, you know, there is this, this, this network of, of global interlocutors and load bearing walls that can't be disturbed or challenged or else we, we won't have the natural deterrence or the, or the institutional structural determination deterrence to nuclear war or world war. And that's been the running narrative. So you're, I mean, Reagan said it best or he said it Well, a nation that taxes people above 33% can't survive.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
That's right.
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Royce White
I mean we're up to 50, 60%. And you know, if a nation taxed its people and it went to invest like, well, I talk about the national debt, you know, border debt, forever wars, you know, there is such a thing as good debt. I don't want people to be mistaken. You can have good debt in the real estate industry, for example. The whole thing works off of debt, more or less, but the debt has to go to investing in things that will actually make you more money, that will actually return a profit. We invest our money, we go into more debt, we tax our people to pay to keep the lights on. That's right. And we pay to give other people money to keep their lights on or really to subvert us. And you know, it's about what the debt is used for. We have taxed our people into oblivion and what do we have to show for it? Look at Beijing, they're kicking our ass. Beijing looks like something out of the, you know, out of a sci fi movie. And Detroit, Michigan, the former manufacturing epicenter of the entire World War II theater, is a shithole. Detroit, Michigan, in a perfect world world, Detroit, Michigan would look like Shangri La.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
That's right. My dad grew up in Detroit and told me about what it was like. His dad worked for GM his entire, you know, 50 year career and he just, he talks about it with such reverence and what it was like being at the epicenter of American dominance and, and you know, they just went back recently to visit. My mom was from Muskegon and, and to visit and go back and, and it's just they're depressed, they're like, well, how does this go from, in one generation? Go from, you know, what was considered to be the light on the hill to being just destitute and broken and you know, obviously it has to do with the manipulation of the people, the offshoring of jobs, the restructuring of our are. The system that seemed to be the best that emerged out of. Was cut from the savagery of American exceptionalism of those early days. But now it's been hijacked, like you said, by kind of this globalist influence.
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Royce White
Same exact way the conservative movement was hijacked in its early days. You know, this post World War II Democrat liberal order was hijacked in its earliest days. And you could probably make a better argument that the conservative movement. Went through its transformation out of political necessity. I would say you could make a strong argument that this entire Post World War II deal was put into motion well before. And it wasn't out of necessity. It wasn't altruistic. It has a. A great altruistic narrative to it. But I don't see it that way. I see it in two ways, either as metaphysical and supernatural, the influence and wickedness of the results. I think it's funny, like Jordan Peterson is somebody who I respect a great deal, despite his current or most recent affiliation with the Daily Wire and how much I disagree with them. But I think Jordan Peterson is a person and the type of mind that changed the course of human history. And we need more people who think on that level to be able to wrestle with things. But it's funny, like Jordan Peterson, for example, talks a lot about Carl Jung. Right. And Nietzsche and some of these people who have profound philosophical concepts. Like one from Jung is you can look at the results and infer the motive.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Royce White
That's a great. You know, I'm not a huge fan of Jung, but I do think there's a lot of truth in that, that you can look at the results of a thing or a group of people or a person, and you can go back and infer the motive. Even if that motive wasn't, wasn't at the top of that person's consciousness, somewhere in there there was some wickedness that, that prevailed and yielded that result later on down the road. That's a very profound intellectual point. He doesn't seem to see that about our security guarantee guarantees and our foreign policy, that the entire construction of the post World War II framework. You can go back and look at the results. Now, retrospect, you can go back and infer that the motive was not altruistic. It was not on the up and up, our relationship with Israel, our involvement in the Middle east, the petrodollar, all these things. You could look at the motive the same way he says about other things and look at the results and inferior the motive.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
Well, I think the same is true with our alliance with the Russians. I mean we knew what was going on prior to our alliance with them.
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Royce White
World War II, you mean?
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
Yeah, World War II, absolutely. The thing that cracks me up about World War II and I, I just, I, I did a show the other day about the, the soul of the 24 year old. Right. And, and you know, and I reference, you know, the early 20th century and that the 24 year old German kid, right. And the 24 year old Russian kid. And why did they gravitate towards these ideas in, in full force? Because they, they were demoralized, they were disenfranchised. They felt like the system had been manipulated against them. They had lost a sense of their own self pride. They were uneducated as to the diabolical nature of, or Machiavellian nature of what was taking place above them, which is the consistent thing that takes place. So to just wrap this up because I appreciate you so much and I appreciate your time with me, I just want to end on. It's a deeper question. But you talked about, and I think you were talking about it more from a race capacity, but it didn't resonate like that with me. It resonated in a much deeper level where you talked about that our spiritual curiosity, our desire to understand faith and what we should believe. Back to that sacred honor question. It's the heart of our growing intellectual like if we can comprehend the necessity to understand that battle between good and evil, then we can educate ourselves as to what fight we're actually fighting. Can you expand on that just real quick?
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Royce White
Well, I think, I think the comment that you're referring to is when I, when I was in the podcast with Professor Penn, who has a good podcast as well, Ukrainian Jew. We were talking about, about Fuentes and where I agree with Nick and where I have some disagreement as well, and I think IQ is one of them. I'm a person who. I feel I'm pretty straightforward on all the issues. I don't really have a side. I'm on the side of the American people and the Christians with no shame. The Christians and the American people is the side that I'm on. So I don't like to play games. For example, I'm very critical of Israel's influence on our government. I'm very critical of aipac. I think it's the greatest example of the uniparty. You can look right on their landing page. You'll see Scalise Emmer, Mike Johnson, Hakeem Jeffries and Catherine Clark, who are about as diametrically opposed politically as you could possibly get. Besides their love of Israel, I guess. So I'm very critical and I've been called anti Semitic. But I don't like when people criticize the Jews on two basis. One, that Israel's not a legitimate nation because they had our help in winning the war for their territory. That's a bullshit argument.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
You could argue with us in France. You could argue that.
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Royce White
There you go. And that's the great argument. Right. And I do think. I do. I do think that there is a. I do think there's a criticism of Israel's legitimacy as a nation that is intended to delegitimize them so they can delegitimize America on the same grounds. And I'm just not going to deal with that side of things. I'm not going to let them run that game on me. All land is conquered land. All land that's of any consequence has been fought for in the past, and one group has prevailed over the other. So it doesn't seem accidental to me that a George Soros would fund candidates, or even, let's say a political philosophy in general that would look to delegitimize all borders in all nations worldwide for his open society. Okay, so don't say that Israel's not a legitimate nation. Just say you don't agree with their government's policies. That's right. Okay. And also don't say that they're not the real Jews. That's ridiculous. Judy. Judaism is a voluntary faith the same way as Christianity, Muslim and many other faiths.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
I don't get that argument.
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Royce White
I mean, it's not useful in my opinion. It muddies the waters. Now, I do understand when people make the argument these aren't the ethnic Jews that have a claim to that land genetically. Okay, well, we could talk about the migrations of Jews throughout history and whatnot. Fine. That's okay. Okay. Bottom line is, if you say you're Jewish, my definition of Jewish is do you believe in God and do you follow the faith of the Jews? If you claim you're a cultural Jew, I'm saying, no, no, no, I don't believe in that. In fact, I call the secular and cultural Jews anti Jews. That's just my. Just like, if you don't believe in, if you're Jewish and you don't believe in God, you're not Jewish. To me, if you're a Christian and you don't believe in Christ, you're not Jewish Christian. So that those are two things. But I say that because just as a preface for my.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
Is there, can I just ask a clarifying question on that? Is, is there a reality to deep, a deep cultural root? Right. Like, let's talk about in, in northern Iraq, right. You have the, oh, I can't believe I'm DRO Drawing a blank on them. But they're not the Kurds. Yeah, the Kurds.
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Royce White
The Kurds.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
Right, Kurds. Right. So they're Iraqis. Right. They're Muslim, but they're Kurds. Right.
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Royce White
And so also a lot of Jewish Kurds, too.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
That's right. That's right. That's right. And so, like, there, there is a deep connection that, that can morph out of a cultural identity as well, too. That, that, sure. You know, and that's why I think like the term.
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Royce White
But my point is, my point is with the, with the Jews currently and Professor Penn talk as a Ukrainian Jew and, you know, Ukraine is kind of one of those hotbeds of places that the Jews migrated to after the, you know, after, after the, you know, the, the Roman Jewish war. So it depends on which group of people you're talking about and which set of values and things survive culturally. To me, there is no greater example of contradiction than the Jewish identity being ripped from its, its biblical history. And then to say we have to give you this land and we have to support all your policies based on that biblical history. I mean, if you're going to tell me that there's a holy war and I should support Israel faithfully because of my own Christian faith, but the people in Israel, or let's say the leaders there in Israel don't believe in that faith or they Reject that faith. We have a theological schism here. We have to reconcile this. We can't just. I can't fight a war based on faith with people who reject the faith. That's kind of a weird thing. And so, you know, historians agree, the culture you're talking about, sort of that cultural, ethnic Jewish identity only survived the Cherno house of history in large part due to the Hebrew Bible. That the traditions that prevailed from the Hebrew Bible proceeded throughout the Diaspora and were passed down orally and written. And that's why you have Jewish identity today. That's why, you know, the. All the other great empires of the past can't say the same thing. And you can make an argument for monotheism and our religion and how powerful it is and it's human value because the Jews were able to survive the eternal house of history with that identity. But then don't be telling me I gotta bow at the feet of Jews who don't believe in God. Hold on now. We're not gonna play that game. So, you know, and again, this is all about. I was told, talking about Fuentes in this podcast, and that's where he and I. I don't think that Fuentes even makes that argument. Just some people who have criticism of Israel do make that argument. But Fuentes makes an argument often about iq. And I just don't think IQ is a Christian idea. I think that the Scripture shows us, pretty much as plain as you possibly can get, that the spirit and the intellect are inextricably be linked. I mean, if you make the assumption that the Scripture is influenced by the Holy Spirit and God doesn't make mistakes, and that God's intention for the scripture is to help inform all of his children and believers to be closer to him. It's making a statement that faith itself is in some ways an intellectual development which also affirms that the intellect can be developed. It's not static. The people who created the idea of iq, coming from the British Empire's academic world, you know, Galt and, you know, Darwin and some of these guys, they had a vested interest in making the argument that IQ is static. And we know what that interest was. That interest was drugs, piracy, and slavery. And I'm not one to say that the west is illegitimate because of colonialism, because, again, all land has been conquered by. But I'm not naive to the fact that some of their academic contributions, some of their intellectual contributions, were rooted in their desire to colonize and subjugate what they considered or what they described as lesser forms of people. But China has a very profound, ancient civilization. South Americans obviously show a profound civilization there. In Africa, there were nations other than the Egyptians, like the Mali empire, who had very, very sophisticated society. So I think the intellect can be developed. I think one of the greatest sins, when we look back in history, one of the greatest sins will be how people who were powerful strategically and to their own benefit or for their own benefit, tried to bastardize the intelligence and intellect of certain people, and they blocked them from intellectual development by economic and military means. You know as well as I, you know, there's a reason why South America's a third world place. There's a reason why Africa is a third world place. It's not just because their IQ is low. And I do agree that their IQ is probably low, but I do think it could be developed. We like them stupid. We like. And look at the example in America. We like Negroes stupid. The American, the American uniperated party that has been dominated by white academic intellectuals, loves black communities.
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Royce White
They love your average black person to be dumb. Now, a few of us, like myself, not patting myself on the back, you know, but a few of us crack through the mold, or we, you know, we're anomalies. We break through that ceiling and we say, I'm gonna question the entire thing from the. From the outset, from the bottom up. And there are. Thomas Sowell was one of them. Right. And there are plenty of examples of very, very wise and smart African Americans. I don't really call them African Americans, black people, but by and large, and this is of our entire education system in general. But you really see it in black communities. For example, in Minnesota. This blows people's minds. Minnesota has one of the best public school systems in the country. The black community, the inner cities. Minneapolis public schools are second to worst in the country in reading professional efficiency. So the inequality gap of education probably has its single greatest example in the country right here in Minnesota, but it's being led by white liberals. So you see what I mean? I mean, there's no way you can look at the education system and the bastardization of the intellect in black America and not think this was done strategically. Why? It's easy to control people who are. Are stupid. But the same thing is true in Africa. The same thing is true. We go there, we pay warlords. We deal with certain desperates. We were given the Taliban money, and we like that they suppress the intellectual growth of their people. Makes it easier for us to deal.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
Wow, that's about as profound as it gets. Right there. And it goes back to that the manipulation of the spirit. Spirit. And I think everything that you say sounds makes sense to me. I appreciate you giving me the cold hard truth. That's one of the main reasons why after watching the I saw the post you made the other day where you had the video of Malcolm X on there, and I was just like, I mean, when was the last time in my paying attention to politics that that a modern Republican senatorial candidate post a post in that capacity talking about the devastation of the spirit through whether it was the dumbing down of a particular group of people or whether the manipulation of information. And it just seems like you are breaking the mold of what has been the unit party has contained, managing both sides, creating expectations, keeping them at the lowest level. Why the, the, the, the bigger machine just continues to I don't know what it is. It's almost just pummel the intellectual curiosity of yes. Of the next generation.
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Royce White
The spirit. I mean that's, that's, that's what I mean is, is the again, the development of the spirit and the intellect are inextricably linked. And I'm not saying that you have to be an intellectual giant to have a relationship with Christ, or I'm not saying that you have to be trained formally in a school or in an academic setting to be a good Christian. But what I am saying is that even if you're not trained in school, there is a wisdom to righteousness and a wisdom to the spirit that makes you just as smart as any PhD and we see that. But if you have the spark of your intellect dampened and suppressed, in many cases intentionally.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
Yeah.
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Royce White
You're going to be, you're going to struggle, you're going to struggle in life, you're going to struggle in your relationships, and most importantly, you're going to struggle in your own internal intellectual growth, which is at the root of, of being a good Christian. Because what man thinketh, he beith, right?
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
Amen. ROYCE where can people follow you, support you and what's next for you?
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Royce White
ROYCE White US is the Senate website Please call me Crazy is the podcast. I'm on Real America's Voice Saturday mornings. You can find me on all the social media platforms on I'm usually starting to fire fire somewhere there on on social media. And you know, next we're, we're about a year out from the 2026 midterms. I'm going to continue to campaign and speak the truth. We got a lot of fun things coming up with the campaign. It's, it's deer hunting season here in Minnesota, so we're doing a big, a big buck contest for the campaign and doing some, some signed memorabilia and T shirts and things like that. So a lot of little things like that I do on a daily and weekly basis besides the Pieces podcast. Hopefully you, you can call your boy Sean Ryan and tell him I love to, love to sit with him as well and, and make the rounds. It's.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
I already, I already reached out to him today and told him I'm a.
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Royce White
Fan of his, I'm a fan of his podcast, man. I think he, he's one of the few people that are saying the, the, the true and dark scary but, but necessary things in this political environment. So, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm next. We're going to try and, you know, know, beat Goliath, you know, and, but, but I'm, I'm a happy warrior. I'm optimistic about it. If we don't win, they got to kill me to stop trying. I mean, what do. What's. It doesn't wound me personally if people want to vote for a transgender jihadist. Hey, you get the government you deserve, and by God, we all will. But I, I'll keep fighting.
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Interviewer (David Rutherford)
Amen. Thank you so much, Royce. God bless you.
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Royce White
Thank you, sir. God speak to you.
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