The Karol Markowicz Show: A Wake-Up Call for American Men with Todd Erzen

Summary

Summary of "The Karol Markowicz Show: A Wake-Up Call for American Men with Todd Erzin"

Podcast Information:

• Title: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
• Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts
• Episode: The Karol Markowicz Show: A Wake-Up Call for American Men with Todd Erzin
• Release Date: July 30, 2025
• Description: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackle the biggest stories in news, politics, and current events with intelligence and humor. From the border crisis to the madness of cancel culture and far-left missteps, Clay and Buck guide listeners through the latest headlines and hot topics with fun and entertaining conversations and opinions.

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Guest Introduction

At [02:43], Carol Markowitz welcomes Todd Erzin, editor and daily contributor to the Steve Dase Show on BlazeTV, highlighting his role in media and his perspectives on American men’s issues.

Todd’s Background and Media Journey

Todd shares his unconventional path into the media world, beginning with his twelve-year tenure as a reporter at the Des Moines Register. He recounts facing challenges in a liberal newsroom, ultimately leading to his departure ([09:18] – [09:57]). Transitioning to his friendship with Steve Dase, Todd explains how this relationship propelled his media career, allowing him to engage in meaningful conversations and media contributions over the past decade.

Attitude Towards Sports and Its Impact on American Men

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around sports and their influence on American men. Todd acknowledges his love for sports, having played and even umpired minor league baseball ([03:26] – [03:57]). However, he criticizes the modern obsession with sports, arguing that it fosters passivity and superficiality among men:

"It's making American men very, very passive and shallow." ([04:00])

He elaborates on how excessive involvement in sports and other distractions like Marvel superheroes and video games detracts from men’s engagement with societal and civic duties.

Consequences of Over-Involvement in Fandom

Todd discusses the detrimental effects of men becoming overly invested in their sports teams, likening them to "sports bros" who prioritize team loyalty over personal and familial responsibilities:

"These are grown men. It's one thing when you're doing that as a young man, but when you are a grown man and you're spending that much time, talent, and treasure..." ([06:00])

He emphasizes that such behavior negatively impacts relationships and fatherhood, as men prioritize sports over meaningful interactions with their families.

Systemic Issues and Societal Manipulation

Todd expresses concern over systemic problems exacerbated by distractions like sports and entertainment. He draws parallels between societal manipulation seen during the COVID-19 pandemic and the influence of media and sports on public behavior:

"We can't autopilot this thing called America. It's we the people." ([14:17])

He warns against complacency, urging men to actively participate in societal duties to prevent further erosion of democratic values.

Reflections on Personal Choices and Regrets

Delving into personal reflections, Todd shares his decision to leave umpire school despite excelling academically ([11:05] – [11:50]). He mentions his regret over not pursuing wrestling, a sport he felt could have further developed his character and resilience:

"I could have actually gotten that's one sport I think I could have gotten a college scholarship in." ([23:24])

Advice for the Younger Self and Modern Men

When asked about advice for his 16-year-old self, Todd emphasizes the importance of embracing challenges and civic responsibilities over leisure pursuits. He advocates for men to prioritize citizenship and personal growth:

"Be very serious. And this is male or female, about whether you identify as a citizen or a consumer." ([27:55])

Concerns for the Future of American Men

Todd articulates his fears about the future, highlighting the risks of men becoming disengaged and overly reliant on entertainment to define their identities:

"You and I get to do it in a pretty cool way. Not everybody gets to say that..." ([12:38])

He underscores the necessity for men to reclaim their roles as active citizens and protectors of societal values.

Media’s Role in Shaping Perceptions

Throughout the conversation, Todd critiques how media and entertainment shape societal perceptions, often distracting men from more profound societal and personal responsibilities. He underscores the importance of media as a tool for positive change rather than mere distraction.

Final Thoughts and Call to Action

In his closing remarks, Todd urges men to step out of their comfort zones, engage in civic duties, and resist becoming passive consumers. He calls for a collective effort to elevate the role of men in society, emphasizing that true citizenship requires active participation and responsibility.

"We've been talking a lot recently about how the Pride month has been more subdued in the past... The man's game, Sports bros everywhere. And here's why..." ([17:43] – [18:30])

Todd concludes by highlighting the importance of authentic engagement over passive observation, encouraging men to take actionable steps towards improving their lives and society.

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Key Takeaways:

• Over-Consumption of Sports and Entertainment: Excessive involvement in sports can lead to passivity and superficiality among men, detracting from meaningful personal and civic engagement.

• Importance of Active Citizenship: Todd emphasizes the necessity for men to actively participate in societal duties to prevent the erosion of democratic values and personal responsibilities.

• Personal Responsibility and Growth: Embracing challenges and prioritizing personal growth over leisure pursuits are crucial for developing resilience and meaningful relationships.

• Media’s Influential Role: Media and entertainment have a significant impact on shaping societal perceptions and behaviors, often distracting individuals from more substantive responsibilities.

Notable Quotes:

• "It's making American men very, very passive and shallow." ([04:00])
• "We can't autopilot this thing called America. It's we the people." ([14:17])
• "Be very serious. And this is male or female, about whether you identify as a citizen or a consumer." ([27:55])

This episode serves as a compelling wake-up call, urging American men to reassess their priorities, embrace active citizenship, and foster deeper personal and societal connections.

Transcript

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[Carol Markowitz]

Hi and welcome back to the Carol Northwood show on iHeartradio. My guest today is Todd Erzin, editor and daily contributor to the Steve dase show on BlazeTV. Hi, Todd. So nice to have you on.

[Todd Erzin]

It's a privilege. This is gonna be fun. Thanks for asking.

[Carol Markowitz]

Well, I've been noticing recently and I thought funny and I wanted to talk to you about it. You have a problem with sports. You don't like sports and you kind of make fun of people who do. Is that true?

[Todd Erzin]

Well, I make fun of people who do too much, but I'm doing it because I'm trying to save them from themselves. I actually love sports. That's. Oh yeah. So this is going to be a fun rabbit hole to go down to. I'm glad, I'm glad you're asking.

[Carol Markowitz]

So tell me about it. What's the problem? People just are too into it, for sure.

[Todd Erzin]

I mean, it's a gigantic idol and it's making men not just American men. But I live here, so that's what's important to me. It's making American men very, very passive and shallow. But listen, I, I grew up playing sports. I. And one of the other issues we end up talking about in terms of your questions, I will address that with more specificity as one of my regrets. But I, I went after college, I went to professional umpire school and I graduated at the top of my class. So I umpired minor league baseball for a season. I got invited back for a second one and I just moved on to other things. I'm the father of four daughters. The two oldest ones are in college and both of them are athletes in college and the other two play in high school. So I absolutely love sports. But it is supposed to be something that elevates us and instead the modern American male ultimate. There's a great meme out there about, it's got Mel Gibson as William Wallace's face screaming, and what happens when my team loses? And then right below it, it shows a sheep. And what happens when, you know, my country is taken away from me and my. So that, that's the problem. We're not supposed to care that much about this. Let everything else fall by the wayside. And I, once I saw this, I couldn't unsee it. A lot of our modern American problems have to do with men, not only with sports. I call them the sports bros, but they're, they're too Consumed with Marvel superheroes. They're too consumed with playing video games. I mean, we had all those fantastic Marvel movies.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

All that heroism shouldn't have informed us. Gone out into the real world and then made sure Covid didn't use and abuse us like it did our borders. All manner of issues the entire Biden administration, but instead they made us couch potatoes. We just go down into our man cave and we're voyeurs. We're actually. I've used the term. We're actually cuckolded by this whole thing. Yeah, I like watching other people do it, but God forbid I actually get into the arena and we have a lot of systemic problems because I think we don't realize that.

[Carol Markowitz]

Do you think it's because people feel like they're doing something now with sports? Like, you used to watch sports, but now it's like you do fantasy football or you feel like you're involved. Gambling has become obviously sports. Gambling is through the roof. Like, does it give people. Like, I say this about online dating a lot. I feel like people don't move from online dating to real life dating because they feel like they're dating, but they're really not. And it's sort of the sensation of doing something without actually doing anything.

[Todd Erzin]

It's that bad and worse. And I think. I never thought about it in terms of the online dating world, but I think you're probably right about that because these. These guys, they talk about my team. They're so invested on the amount of time, talent, and treasure they spend in following their team and buying their merchandise and wearing their jerseys and getting all of the subscriptions that they need to watch and getting on all the online chats and making sure. Involved. They absolutely consider themselves to be part of the team. And. And these are grown men. It's one thing when you're doing that as a young man, but when you are a grown man and you're spending that much time, talent and treasure, not only is a lot of the society going by the wayside, but quite frankly, you're. This is what your wife and kids are seeing. This is. This is the man in the home. And I'm watching how his emotional filter is totally driven to this thing. And it affects everything around you. It affects your relationships. Again, I firmly believe it affects how children are being fathered, because there's a lot of fathers that this. They can only get to everything else after these boxes get checked and the amount of hours in the day that they give to this. I mean, right now, there's a countdown clock. All summer long. Football seasons come and football season's common. Yeah. It's making men really soft and shallow, but they actually think they're part of the team. And they'll tell you that I'm not making this up. They will tell you that they care more about it than the players. How dare you not care about. As me Might I suggest that if you care about this more than the players, it might be a you problem.

[Carol Markowitz]

So do you watch any football?

[Todd Erzin]

Oh, yes, I do, but it's not even close to a priority in my life. There's not. And up to including, you know, the super bowl, everything like that. If there's any number of things that can take priority over it if I have nothing else to do that day and we're hanging around on a cool November and there's. You were cooking chili and just hanging out. My wife's reading on the couch. We don't have no errands. Yes. Because I do foot football. Sports in general. It's fun, I love. Right. But like, I'd much rather watch my daughters in their soccer games or their track meets. That's. But I. There's. There's real. They know me, I know them. We've been in this together. We've built that. Those people on those football team, they don't know you. They don't care who you are. You're not supposed to be that invested in this. Right. You're not supposed. You're not supposed to have your literally emotional. Well being tied to it as much as it is while the rest of the country is, you know, in New York voting for mayor, whoever this guy is. That's why this is happening a lot. They've just. They've got other things to do. They've got. As long as the jets and the Yankees stay on schedule, whatever.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right. Mickey Mantle doesn't pay your rent, as the line went in. Bronx Tale, if you've ever seen a movie.

[Todd Erzin]

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[Carol Markowitz]

So how did you get into this media world? Umpire school is usually not part of the story.

[Todd Erzin]

No, no. I got into this media world through kind of through the back door. But I was a reporter at the Des Moines Register for 12 years and I didn't progress along very well because when you're me in a very liberal newsroom, you just kind of. First you just get ignored and tolerated, and then by the end, you have to be purged, and that's ultimately what happened. But I live in the same town as Steve Dase and we got to know each other and Then we got to be friends. And so now we have been doing this together for it's a decade and it's a lot of fun.

[Carol Markowitz]

Did you always want to be in media?

[Todd Erzin]

I always wanted to be involved in politics on some level. It was. I'm not, I'm not a journalist. I hate that word. It. I got. Thank God I never went to journalism school because. Yeah, yeah, look what it does to people. Just more utter morons. You end up being Jake Tapper and nobody wants that. So. No, I, But I wanted to be. I mean, I, I like the idea of running for political office someday. I like being on this side of it. I did enjoy being a local political reporter, but I like, I like that entire world that calling. One of the questions you have, I think that we're going to talk about later on is, you know, advice for having a better life. I think a lot of it has to do with citizenship. Basically, it's an honor to be an American and I don't like taking it for granted. And I saw these are the gifts and the talents God gave me to be involved in it on some level.

[Carol Markowitz]

So why didn't umpire school. Why didn't you stay in the umpire world?

[Todd Erzin]

You know, it's one of those. I don't have any regrets and I love. Because again, going back to the sports thing, I love. Yeah, I love sports and my main love was baseball and I wanted, I wanted to be involved in at the highest level possible. And it wasn't going to be as a player. I mean, I wasn't good enough to play college or anything like that. But also, once you get in there and you check the box and you realize the realities of it and you meet some of the people. And while I hadn't met my wife at that time. Time. It doesn't really lend itself to being the dad, the husband and the dad I wanted to eventually be. All that time on the road. So I did it again. I graduated at the. One of the, in the, in the top of my class. And so that was enough for me.

[Carol Markowitz]

Any path not taken, any plan B that you had that you didn't pursue?

[Todd Erzin]

Oh, no. Really? The fact that I'm here doing what I'm doing with Steve, I mean, we were just at the White House not very long ago. Steve just interviewed the vice president. Yes. Or yesterday. Visited him a couple months when we were out there. No, this is. I, I'm never going to look that gift horse in the mouth. I'm doing more than I deserve. And it's an Absolute blast.

[Carol Markowitz]

I love that. I love how you talk about your job as you know, I like a calling and just really something that is giving back. I really love that perspective.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah, it keeps you, it, it keeps you honest because as you know, there, there is a lot of selling out in this business saying whatever needs to be said in order to what you've view as getting ahead, being popular. But we really enjoy, we enjoy the fight more than anything else. The fight for the good, the true and the beautiful. We talk about that a lot. Keeping the first things first. And so how many. I mean one way or the other, you have to pay the bills in this world and you and I get to do it in a pretty cool way. Not everybody gets. Gets to say that and I hope people, when they tune into our show, they see that. And we were just in LA this weekend for a function and got to do a meet and greet and the people, the kindness from them and saying thank you for helping us. Steve and I wrote a book together, Fauci and Bargained during COVID It was the number one bestseller in the country. And the people send letters about. I would have been nowhere if you guys had not broken. Helped us break through the chaos and things like that. So that's deeply meaningful that we can have that relationship. I don't want anybody to turn into us for like talking points memo. Not that there's not messaging is really important. We're pretty darn good messengers. But ultimately there has to be, you know, core baseline principles that you are willing to fight for through thick and thin because they're just existentially important and we, we take those for granted very much in this modern American world.

[Carol Markowitz]

What do you worry about?

[Todd Erzin]

Oh, well, that's. You. You already went there with this. I genuinely. It's not just a shtick. It's my way of. I mean I do it with comedy and I. Yeah, you know, it's funny.

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It's very funny. Like I, When I see those tweets, I like smile to myself.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, that's good because a lot of. But yeah, a lot of it enrages a lot of the guys. They can't stand it. But I just, then I know I'm over the target and I'll. I'll do it. Responding to like they'll. I, you know, there's a lot of X accounts that are like philosophical quotes and things like that, really deep stuff. And then I'll just come over the top rope with the, the funny sports bro thing and things like that. Just. But I worry about it, because we can't. We can't autopilot this thing called America. It's. It's we the people. And when our comforts and our idols and our passions become too distracting, I mean, look what we went through over the last of four years. Not because it was Democrat versus Republican. I mean, there's just. They. There are all kinds of. They were. They were shutting us down. They were canceling us. They were imprisoning us. They were. There was no due process. They were poisoning us. We can't do that again. It's gonna take more from your average. I'm just. I'm a average American male, so the gals have their own problems. And sometimes we talk about that too, and you're free to tell me what those are. But like my guys, dads, men, we. We. We are way too comfortable. We're just constantly looking to be left unknown. A lot of people who think they talk big on X, but they're behind anonymous accounts. And it's not that I don't. And they're saying I have to protect, you know, my business, my family, things like that. It's not that I'm entirely unsympathetic to that, but if you give up that principle, like, I have to stay anonymous as your fundamental default, you're conceding a lot of the game, all of us were just like, no, this is who we are. And over my dead body are you going to. You know, instead of going to the game where the boy is competing against your daughter and you just sit there and I say, I can't say anything. I got to be anonymous. It's the same mindset. Because somebody might say a mean thing about me or might get back to my boss at work. The game is over. You've already lost. Sooner or later, you've lost. And way too many people, men, why is their moms for liberty and not dads for liberty? Why are the moms having to carry all that weight while the dads just say, well, you don't know. I might have to be called into human resources. That's just. That's no way to live. And absolutely. I'm just. I'm naturally wired that way, I admit. I mean, it's not hard for me to just say, yeah, screw you, screw you, and screw you. But it's. I don't know what the critical masses of men it's going to take to change things, but it's more than we have now. You got to get in the game. And that. That very much worries me.

[Carol Markowitz]

Absolutely. Especially during COVID It was, there were so many people, I mean, famous people, names you'd know in my DM saying. I love what you're saying on opening schools. I personally can't speak out on opening schools, obviously, but I like that you're saying it. And it was so galling. Like these people just expected other people to carry that weight for them and to forged the fights for them while they stayed in the background and kind of kept their hands clean. And that was about their own children. It was like, yes, yes. If they couldn't defend their own children, what can they defend?

[Todd Erzin]

Exactly. And when the other side knows those are the chains you're attached to, and they do, they will continue to get away with it. We've been talking a lot recently about how the Pride month has been more subdued in the past. And it has. But what one of the biggest businesses in the entire country that came out on day one and celebrated as hard as ever before was the NFL.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right.

[Todd Erzin]

The man's man's game, Sports bros everywhere. And here's why. It's because of what you're talking about. The NFL knows that it's over their dead body that Sports Pro is going to stop watching 12 games on the weekend, including college football. They're, they're cultish like that. And that's the problem.

[Carol Markowitz]

They're not worried about losing their audience. They're like, they aren't at all.

[Todd Erzin]

That's a, and that's a huge problem. And that audience is a bunch of able bodied men who should be the ones saying, you know what, yeah, you're absolutely not trans. And the kids, that's not gonna happen. I don't care. You're good. We're gonna walk out onto the track, we're gonna walk out onto the field. You're gonna have to arrest us all. But we're not even close to that because when are just, they're protecting, they think they're protecting something vital and actually they're guaranteeing a loss sooner or later.

[Carol Markowitz]

We're going to take a quick break and be right back on the Carol Markowitz Show.

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[Carol Markowitz]

What advice would you give your 16 year old self having to do it all over again?

[Todd Erzin]

Well because it I like with umpire school moving out west I always wanted to live in the Rocky Mountains so I did. I don't have many regrets about not doing the thing but I I liked your questions and I wanted them to be as organic as possible and here's one that I really have I I didn't wrestle and because that's the one sport that I think I could have done I was if you went out on the playground I mean guys are very young guys are very passive these days but we used to, you know with your buddies testing each other out, you know, getting into scraps, things like that and I was always really good at it but formalizing it I looked I just said I'm going to pass. And I think I could have actually gotten that's one sport I think I could have gotten a college scholarship in.

[Carol Markowitz]

What made you pass?

[Todd Erzin]

What was the I just I chose and I talk about this all the time on the show that being a male is not a leisure pursuit. It's it you're in way too many men these days of all ages including high school kids default to that. That's a really hard sport.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

And I don't to this day I don't know why I didn't take it on but it's. It every once in a while. And I live in Iowa, and it's a huge sport here. And I think had I gone in you, you know, mind, body, soul, relationships, had I gotten on that mat over and over again, one on one, and tested myself, you know, I'll never know what that might have brought out of me. And I've done a lot of other things where I've made sure I was certain. I mean, for. For example, like when I did work at the Des Moines Register, I got arrested during the floods of 2008 while doing my job. The police knew they screwed up, made up false charges against me. The Pulkani attorney didn't like the Des Moines Register and just thought I was a big lib like everybody else. Really threw everything at me. I was offered these Alford pleas and things to make it go away. I said, no way we're doing this. I mean, I didn't do anything wrong, and I ended up winning the case. And so I. I love that I have a very romantic notion about, like, challenging myself, standing in the gap, doing what must be done, but somehow I passed on that. And I. I think, because I. That's one part of me where somehow the soft suburban kid just let. Let the. The challenge pass me by. And so really, I don't have many regrets, and I wanted to take you.

[Carol Markowitz]

Seriously, but I really think one. Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

You know, and this is. It's. Sports is important. It really. But it's not. It's supposed to elevate. And I passed on an opportunity to have my life elevated.

[Carol Markowitz]

You know, I was gonna say this to you after the show, but I may as well say it on the program. But you have to write a book about how to be a man. And I think you have so much to say. I just think it, like, I just. I could picture the marketing. You know, dad, dad of four girls tells men how to be men. I love it. Like, I think you have that book.

[Todd Erzin]

In you that's kind of you. And I be lying if I said I haven't thought about it.

[Carol Markowitz]

You should.

[Todd Erzin]

But I've. Based on how it's received on X, I think I have more haters than I do have fans. I don't know how many. How much product I would sell on.

[Carol Markowitz]

That front, because it's not just going to be, you know, sports. Don't let sports take over your life. But, you know, I. I could just picture a kind of blueprint plan for how to be a modern man. Men are, you know, really struggling with what they're supposed to be right now. And I think I could just see a Todd Erzin book. I really can.

[Todd Erzin]

That's. That's very kind of you, but I get way more women saying that, I think, than men. Therein lies part of the problem.

[Carol Markowitz]

Interesting. Maybe. Maybe the women will buy the book for their men.

[Todd Erzin]

It took my wife. I've been married 23 years now. And it was funny. It was just like, I don't know, eight years ago or so now that she actually looked at me and said, you really don't care if people don't like you, do you? And I said, yeah. All right. We're finally on the same pa Paige. There we go.

[Carol Markowitz]

Well, I have loved this conversation. I've loved getting to know you. I feel like I opened some doors that I definitely wanted to open here. Leave us here with your best tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, I've had a lot of fun, too, and I'll have to say we'll have to return the favor and have you on our show. I booked the show.

[Carol Markowitz]

Awesome.

[Todd Erzin]

Just. Yeah, email me something you want to blab about sometime, and we'll make that happen. Well, here. This is a. A very weird way. And to get into answering this question, my advice is be very serious. And this is male or female, about whether you identify as a citizen or a consumer. And if you are. If you are serious about determining that, it will make a lot of decisions for you. It will get your narcissism, your anxiety, your emotions out of the way, because these are the things that have been classically studied forever. What are my duties within the polis? You know, the Democratic Republicans have been deciding this the whole time. And here's. Here's a way that I. It scarred my psyche, so if it scars yours, I think there's a success. Have you ever seen that show Black Mirror?

[Carol Markowitz]

No, I haven't.

[Todd Erzin]

Okay. It's a. It's been around for a while, and they do a lot of different standalone episodes that are basically very dystopian, Orwellian, like, what would happen if. And I've only watched one, and I. It was so well done. It totally broke me. And I'll never watch. I'll never watch another one. But here. Okay, so this is. Here's the premise of this. This show was the British Prime Minister. There was a kidnapping of somebody, and the kidnapper approached the British Prime Minister and said, I am going to kill the person kidnapped. And here, folks, if you're listening. And for a second, this isn't going to be a PJ show. But they demanded as the price for releasing the person that the Prime Minister have literally have sex with a pig. Okay. I know very. It's bizarre.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

But if you've watched this is a semi. A pretty popular show. And so the whole thing then becomes this social media craze about Willie Hironi should eat her shouldn't eat. And everything is about. That becomes about the consumer sensational appetite instead about being citizens. So much so that the kidnapper ultimately is doing this as a social experiment. He more than being just wanting the blood and guts. And he proves this point at the end when the. The. The. The British Prime Minister actually says I can't let this kid die. I'm going to do it. And he does. He does it. You don't see it as the person watching in real life, but he does it on live television because that's part of the condition. It actually happens. And the streets are emptied out and everybody is inside in there in bars watching it. Like it's. Yes, like it's the big games. I know, but everybody's watching it. And the streets are so empty that the kidnapper just dries up in a van in the middle of London. The streets are totally empty, drops off the person that he kidnapped and drives away.

[Carol Markowitz]

Wow.

[Todd Erzin]

And that's the last scene. And I thought it was so powerfully done. I know that's weird. But it stuck with me forever because it just goes to show that we can be manipulated as people in our comfort, in our wanting to be part of the crowd. What everybody's doing. That's exactly what happened to us to Covid. Look at a lot of people just take the jab, wear the mask because it made them. They were manipulated to belong. And I really think that it's largely because in being educated first as children and then in keeping up to speed as citizens, we don't ask ourselves what the real duties of citizenship, the level of discernment, the heroism that requires. Because true citizens never on every level, both the elected ones and the vote, none of them would ever been played by like a super. A super villain like that. If you let. If you let evil be the only one that understands the true cosmic forces going on the world and everybody else just you. I gotta. I'm working for the weekend. If that's it. It's really. Sooner or later we are going to be just like the Romans. This whole experiment and representative democracy is going to end just because we not only did we not want the duties of citizenship. We actually resented them. We like, how dare you tell me that I have to raise the bar on my own life. And so that's what I do with Sports Row. I'm actually think at the end of the day I'm being pretty gentle about it because it's just my fun way of poking at men. Like, come on, I'm not asking you to, to, you know, storm the beaches of Normandy. I'm just like saying like, actually go to the school board meeting and look them in the eye and say, yeah, that's not happening here. It doesn't seem like too much to ask.

[Carol Markowitz]

I agree. I love this and I agree. I really think you're a fascinating person. He is Todd Erzin. Check him out on the Steve Day Show. Thank you so much for coming on, Todd.

[Todd Erzin]

It's been a privilege. Thank you so much, Carol. I have a new friend.

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