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The Karol Markowicz Show: Corey Walker on Media Bias, Israel Debate, Audience Capture & the Future of Journalism
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Carol Markowitz
Hi and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz show on iheartradio. My guest today is Corey Walker. Corey is a reporter from the Algeminer. Hi Corey, so nice to have you on.
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Corey Walker
Thank you for having me.
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Carol Markowitz
So how did you get into this? How did you become a reporter and what led you to the Alga minor?
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Corey Walker
I've been writing for a few years now and I originally prior to Algeminer, I was at a Daily Caller, which is conservative news outlet, and then now around the layoffs and I was impacted by that and so I lost my job there and basically I spent about four months just like freelancing and then algo minor job came open and I just applied and ended up getting it. They gave me the offer for the job and so obviously I accepted it. And here I am, I think that I just had a lot of, I think, experience with, you know, the issue at hand. Alge Minor focuses on particularly Jewish issues and also Middle Eastern politics. And I had some personal experience with that. So it kind of overlapped with what I already knew. And yeah, it just ended up being a really good fit for, for me.
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Carol Markowitz
What was your personal experience?
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Corey Walker
I think just because I went to University of Michigan and that had a large Jewish population, I worked at the Hillel, the University of Hillel for about three years when I was there. And then I took some classes in Israel, Palestine, and there also was lots of protests and this is like around 2017, so nine years ago at this point. But like there were lots of protests even back then over it. And the same kind of rhetoric that they're using today to describe Israel as the same rhetoric they're using then, like, oh, they're doing genocide and all these things. And, and I have, right.
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Carol Markowitz
It didn't start on October 8th.
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Corey Walker
Yeah, it's, yeah, like it's not new. It's, it's, you know, these are reheated up narratives. But I was having conversations with the rabbi and the, the, you know, the people who run Hoel about this, these sorts of things. And so I learned a lot about Israel there and then also like taking the on campus courses, I was able to learn a lot about, you know, Israel, Palestine and. Yeah, and so you kind of develop an interest in it. So. Yeah, that's, that's kind of my experience with it.
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Carol Markowitz
You could have picked an easier road. Choosing to be, you know, pro Israel or a defender of Israel isn't really the easier path.
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Corey Walker
I have a hard time with. I feel like gaslighting efforts and lying and things like that. And I think that a lot of the pro Palestine stuff is dishonest. I mean, that's not to say that there aren't legitimate grievances that Palestinians, if you're living in a West bank, may have. I do think there are legitimate grievances, but a lot of this is just like a complete and total rejection of like verifiable historical facts. And for me, I have an issue with that. Right. And I also have an issue with the broader movement because I, you know, I like the United States, I like Western civilization.
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Carol Markowitz
I'm a fan too.
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Corey Walker
And I think that a large part of this is also an effort to delegitimize Western countries in general. Right. Like the same things that they hope to do to Israel, they want to do basically, you know, yeah, Canada, Australia, it's you know, when you go to these rallies, the pro Palestine rallies, they say like, oh, we need to delegate, we need to decolonize Israel, but we also have to decolonize Australia, we have to decolonize Canada. And so a lot of this to me, I think is an effort to undermine the underpinnings of the countries that we live in. And so I, like I said it's, it's, they're doing it very sneakily through, yeah like social justice rhetoric. But you know, like I said, a large part of this is using social justice and empathy to delegitimize and weaken American allies. And also America by extension. Right. Because you know, Israel does provide things like intelligence. They also are a fighting ally. They also do things over there like weaken Iran and the countries that, you know, do want to harm, you know, the, the United States. So I think that the high pressure effort to disentangle that relationship that we have, I think that that should cause everyone, not saying that to be pro Israel, but I'm saying is that it should cause everyone to have a little bit of pause in shags. Like, okay, like there's a huge effort, there's propaganda effort coming from all sides to try to detach that relationship. And so we have to ask why. Right. And so for me, part of this is also like self interested as well because I do think that, you know, it's bad for America. But I also think that another part for me is I also, you know, think that just, you know, Israel does give things to the world.
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Right.
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Corey Walker
Like most countries are most, most states fail. Right. I don't think people understand that state building is an extremely difficult process. And the vast majority of times we've tried it, it failed. Israel is one of the few Post World War II states that has actually succeeded.
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Carol Markowitz
Yeah.
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Corey Walker
Built a first world economy. They actually, you know, have advancements in sciences and technologies and medicines that we use in the United States. They are a country that I think they're the only first world country that has above replacement fertility rate. So they're actually reproducing themselves.
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Carol Markowitz
Yeah.
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Corey Walker
And so I think that there's a lot there that, you know, we can look from, look to and learn from when it comes to Israel. And I think that, you know, that those are things that should be cherished and preserved. Now that's not to say that you have to support the Israeli government or the Israeli policy or everything, or there should be no criticisms. I'm not saying that at all. But I'm saying that the effort to try To.
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Carol Markowitz
Yeah,
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Corey Walker
yeah. It's, you know, I think it should give everyone pause, you know, because like I said, it's the same thing that they want. They want to do that everywhere. Right. And so it's, you know, everyone should be skeptical.
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Carol Markowitz
Did you always want to be a writer?
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Corey Walker
I think, kind of. I think part of it was like, I just wasn't good at math, so I didn't feel like I had a choice. And it's kind of like a lot of people get into writing and we just can't add.
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Carol Markowitz
And we're like, this is. This is the only other. Other thing for me.
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Corey Walker
Yeah, you got to algebra. And then I was like, okay, too much. I can't do that.
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Carol Markowitz
Yeah.
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Corey Walker
Yeah. My dreams of being a doctor or scientist are done.
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Carol Markowitz
Yes. I went to college thinking I was going to be a doctor. And that was quickly.
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Corey Walker
Well, that's.
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Carol Markowitz
A lot of people quickly died.
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Corey Walker
Yeah, they. They weed you out very quickly. But I would say, like, I was always inclined to write. I think I'm just a more verbal person in terms of, I think, my strengths. That's just where they lie. The written word, the spoken word, the ability to kind of come up with, you know, language that conveys emotions and my thoughts in a very articulate and clear way. And I think that that is something that I've realized not everyone can do. I think, in, you know, because I edit other people's writing for a living as well. And so when I look at where other people are, it's like, wow, a lot of people cannot write. They don't know basic grammar. They don't know how to do anything. So in some ways, it's kind of the gifts and, you know, so I. I think that people are kind of inclined to do the things that they are good at. And I also think that I have a lot of opinions about a lot of things in the world. And I think, you know, if you have your opinionated person, writing is probably a really natural outlet for that.
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Carol Markowitz
What might you have done instead? What would a plan be for you have been.
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Corey Walker
That's tough. I would say that if I could do it all over again, I don't know, I probably would have gone into something like finance or investment banking or something that.
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Carol Markowitz
Even though you don't know math.
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Corey Walker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably. Yeah. But I would say something like that just because, like, I. I don't know, I. I think, like, as I age, right. So I start to look at, you know, where people kind of end up, and I'm kind of like, oh, well, there's other people who kind of like, maybe it's just, like, envy, like, looking, you know, grass is greener on the other side. And sure, other people, you know, make more money. And I write, and I do. Okay. But, like, you know, writing is not the most lucrative industry unless you're like, J.K. rowling or something. So it's. You know, sometimes I think, like, well, did I. Could I have done something else? Maybe. Maybe I would have gone with a more, like, traditionally lucrative path. You know, I also think, like, you know, I would love to. I mean, if I could do anything, like, let's say if I could do anything, I probably would be, like, a radio or TV host or do something like that. If I could do it well, like, if I could have, like, a large audience. Right. And actually, like, you know, I mean,
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Carol Markowitz
everybody has a podcast now. I don't think.
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Corey Walker
Yeah, that's the thing.
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Carol Markowitz
I don't think that's a. That's a stretch for you to start one.
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Corey Walker
It's not. Well, it's not. But it's also, like, there's interest in having a podcast with three people listening versus having a podcast where, like, you
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Carol Markowitz
know, you start somewhere a million.
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Corey Walker
Yeah, but it's also, like, I know that it's the. The. The guardrails have come down, right. So, like, you know, the gatekeepers are gone, so you can create whatever you want and put it out there. And that's great. Yeah, I think it's a great thing. I think the difficult thing is just, like, how do you go about growing the audience? Right, right. And I also think that part of it is, like, I don't know. I. I struggle with listening to my own voice and stuff. So, like, I don't know. I think, like, I wouldn't be, like, a good. I don't know if I'd be, like, a good person for radio or television.
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Carol Markowitz
You very rarely re. Listen to your episodes, so you don't. You don't really hear. I mean, yes, everybody kind of doesn't like the sound of their voice. Right. But, yeah, you know, you don't. Like, I cut a little. A few clips, video clips from episodes, and I hear my voice then. But otherwise, you know, you don't really listen to yourself.
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Corey Walker
Yeah, I think that being a. It's probably a skill that you can grow, but I think that being a good host, you have to have a certain kind of magnet. Magnetism and charisma and charm about you that kind of gets people to listen because, like, really, at the end of the Day, they're, they're tuning in for the person, usually not the content of what they're saying. I don't think I have that spark that certain people have. And so, I don't know, I could probably try it. I wouldn't trust myself to do very, very well. I think you have to. I think that there's something about that that is just like a natural gift that people have. I mean, something that, like, you know, Joe Rogan has, even though he's an idiot, but like, he has that ability to kind of bring people in. I would say same thing about Candace Owens and that she's very gifted, even though she, she uses her gifts for bad things. Same with Tucker Carlson. These are gifted people. I wish they wouldn't use their gifts for bad, you know. Yeah, but they, they have a gift,
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Carol Markowitz
which is why people have magnetism when they don't. And then, you know, I feel they
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Corey Walker
have the charisma, which is why, like, I listened to her show for the sake of research, because I write, you know, about what she does, and I'm like, wow, this is someone who actually has, like, the ability to keep someone engaged.
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Carol Markowitz
Sure.
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Corey Walker
You know, nonsensical story that she made up in her own head for, like, hours.
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Carol Markowitz
And, like, it is a little train wrecky.
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Corey Walker
Right.
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Carol Markowitz
Like, you kind of can't look away from the train wreck. And. Yeah, that's part of it.
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Corey Walker
It's all, it's all terrible. I would also say that in order to do well in this industry, one thing I've learned is that the people who do the best are. Are the people who are willing to basically tell their audience what they want to hear. Right. So you kind of go where the views are. So that's one thing I've learned. It's like you're not really doing much to change people's viewpoints. It's like you're tapping into whatever underlying sentiments they had and you're exploiting that. Right. So one of the reasons why Tucker Carlson and these folks have gone towards anti Semitism is because they saw it there in the first place. Right. And they knew that it was something that.
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Carol Markowitz
I don't think they expected it. Yeah, yeah.
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Corey Walker
They saw it was exploitable and they also knew that it was this kind of taboo, kind of almost like a Rubicon. Right. That a lot of people were not willing to transgress because they did. They weren't. I mean, people have. A lot of people have scruples and morals, you know.
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Carol Markowitz
Yeah.
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Corey Walker
Maybe to their detriment. So, like, they're not when it comes to other people. They were not willing to kind of go that far. They were and sadly they've been rewarded for it. Largely because if you look at the amount of success they've had. Yeah, it's, you know, it's very notable. Like they've done very well for themselves.
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Carol Markowitz
Right. It's a money maker for sure.
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Corey Walker
Yeah, of course. Yeah.
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Carol Markowitz
Do you think you have a book in you?
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Corey Walker
That's a great question. Every. I've been asked that multiple times. I think I do. I think getting published is really hard. If you're going to like a traditional publisher. A lot of people don't buy books. So like most books that get, you know, written like you saw like two copies. Right. And so I don't know, I don't know what I would probably write about. I probably could. I mean, I probably could write about, I don't know, like someone asked me like what I write about maybe like the rise of like audience capture and in the new media space and so
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Carol Markowitz
you seem to be interested in that.
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Corey Walker
Yeah, yeah, I could write about that. I could write about Jewish issues or the, you know, black Jewish relations. I mean, there's probably like a lot of things.
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Carol Markowitz
There's a lot of things you can do.
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Corey Walker
Yeah.
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Carol Markowitz
I find you very interesting. I think your ex count is, you know, fascinating. I always like to know what you're thinking. So. Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty anti book writing because it is so hard. I wrote one book I'm not writing anymore even though it did very well. It was a bestseller. It was just really hard and I never need to do that ever again. It was Stolen Youth. I co authored it with Bethany Mandel. So I only actually wrote half. Half a book. But yeah, it did great and we're very happy with it. But it's a very difficult process that I don't need to relive. Especially when you're a columnist, you write 700 words and it's out the next day and you get all the adulation and praise or commentary on it. It's not like two years later your work finally comes to fruition. You know, I, I think you're interesting and you should maybe think about it.
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Corey Walker
I probably, I mean, I'm not opposed to it. I'm not really sure exactly. I mean, I, I have a friend that actually, he's in law school now, but he actually has like a. He, he has a. A literary journal called Green Gollum that I actually have an editor for. And so it's actually a Zionist Literary journal. And he has, like, agents and things like that. And so, yeah, technically, he is my agent, but I never speak to him and. Because he's in law school, so. But, you know, I could probably talk to him about, like, writing a book. I know. I would like to try and then maybe go on tour and do something about it.
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Carol Markowitz
Right. Yeah. Come back and talk to us about it when you publish it. And I'll take full credit for making it happen.
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Corey Walker
Of course. The inspiration came here, I guess.
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Carol Markowitz
What are you most proud of in your life?
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Corey Walker
Oh, that's hard, I think, like, I'm my biggest, probably, critic, so, like, I don't. It's hard because I don't. And this is a bad thing. And I admit it, that I don't really. I'm really. I'm critical of myself, so I'm not really good at thinking of, like, the things that I'm proud of. But I would say. And I think I probably, like, over came a lot of statistics. So, like, I'm from the south side of Chicago, so, like, from, like, the best, you know, background. And I think that when I look at, you know, where a lot of people ended up in my own community, where they're from, they are not in good. Not a good place. Right. They didn't really end up, you know, transcending their circumstances or improving their life in any way. And so I think there's pride in that. That I have. I think that's.
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Carol Markowitz
That's big. I mean, that's a very big one.
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Corey Walker
That's probably a big one. I would say that I'm probably proud of myself for. I don't know, I think, like, I probably would fashion myself to be a probably pretty resilient person and pretty, like, resourceful, crafty in certain ways in terms of, like, you know, I'm really good at. I'm really good at dealing with, like, crises. So, like, when just bad things kind of happen, I'm kind of really good at, like.
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Carol Markowitz
That's an important skill. Yeah.
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Corey Walker
Yeah. So, like, I, you know, and it's kind of like I'm kind of, like, extreme in that way or, like, I actually do better in, like, a crisis more so than I do better in, like, normal.
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Carol Markowitz
You like the tension?
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Corey Walker
Mundane.
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Carol Markowitz
Yeah.
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Corey Walker
I don't know if I like attention, but I just take it. Attention.
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Carol Markowitz
Not attention. The tension. Sorry.
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Corey Walker
Yeah, the attention.
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Carol Markowitz
Like, the attention. Yeah.
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Corey Walker
Yeah. If I'm in a situation where it's like, something has to be, like. It's like, very urgent, and I'm really good at like, kind of snapping into my.
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Carol Markowitz
Well, I mean, all writers are kind of procrastinators, right? I think.
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Corey Walker
Yeah. And that's kind of like one of the things I, I wish I was better at. Like, I'm not the best at being focused normally. I'm not the best at being super disciplined or organized. And I think that, that those are things that probably, definitely, I would say probably hold me back in life is just like my inability to kind of get. Be more cognizant of that. But. Yeah, but there are things I'm proud of, obviously. I think, like, just, you know, doing better. I think doing better than the situations that I, you know, was raised in. Like, I'm proud of that. And I think that, you know, upward mobility. Yeah, upward mobility is, you know, something that a lot of people don't accomplish, especially this day and age. But, you know, I think that's something I'm proud of. And I also think, like, the ability to think for myself, which is something that a lot of people don't.
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Carol Markowitz
Yeah, yeah.
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Corey Walker
I think in an era where, like, people are just kind of, like, lazy, you know, people don't really think for themselves. People don't read, people don't, you know, they get food. Food, spit their opinions. And a lot of people just kind of like, go along, get along. And I'm not really good at that. Like, I am much more, I think, pugnacious or combative than that in a sense of like, I, I'm not really good at just being told what to do. So, like, I, I'm really, you know, I. I don't know, like, things have to make sense for me in order to do things. So, like, that's why, like, I, I don't really fall in with a lot of, like, progressive dogma because it's a lot of it, I agree with some of it, but a lot of it's just like, okay, this is stupid. And like, you have to explain this to me and, and you can't. You know, they're. They're not. Yeah. Or the explanation is just wrong. And, you know, I don't know. Like, I would say that those are the things I'm probably most proud of.
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Carol Markowitz
Give us a five year out prediction. And it could be about anything at all. I mean, music, art, you know, politics, anything.
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Corey Walker
Well, I would say five years out from now, I would probably like to be doing something in the media that is, like, more visual. So, like, as we talked before, like, I would like to have some sort of podcast or a show where I Am like, you know, maybe doing things where I'm talking and like, interviewing people. I think that would be really interesting. I think something in politics largely, like, I live in D.C. already. So, like, that is kind of like the natural outgrowth and evolution of, you know, what I'm already doing. I think I want to, I think having a book would be. Be nice. I think having something that's, you know, business oriented or a business would be nice. Yeah, I think, you know, a lot of stuff. Yeah, I mean, there's, there's a lot of things there that can be done. And so, yeah, like, I'm really excited about, you know, kind of coming into a newer, like, I, I want to accomplish more things. I actually do have, like, things online for this, for a setup for like a little mini podcast. Kind of not a studio, but just like a podcast setup for like, that's what I have.
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Carol Markowitz
Yeah, I don't have a podcast set up. I have a mic and some lights and a background backdrop.
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Commercial Narrator
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Carol Markowitz
Yeah.
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Corey Walker
Yeah. So for me, I think I definitely want to do that. I think I have like, like paralysis of, like, in terms of like just starting it. And I think maybe it's because I, I, I overthink of like, how do I want, how do I do this? It needs to be done perfectly. But I also think that, like, one thing I've learned is that it's best to start something rather than.
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Carol Markowitz
For sure. Yeah, just do it, do it and figure it out along the way.
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Corey Walker
Yeah. Rather than just like having being determined to start perfectly. Because if you're going to try perfectly and just start.
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Carol Markowitz
That's the, that's the advice.
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Corey Walker
Yeah, that's just kind of like what I want to do. And so, like, there's so many ways to do it. Yeah, I need to start like a TikTok, probably something.
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Carol Markowitz
Yeah, that's definitely a path. We're going to take a quick break and be right back on the Carol Markowitz Show.
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Carol Markowitz
well, I've loved this conversation, Corey. Like I said, I followed you for a while, and I always think you have interesting opinions. Leave us here with your best tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives.
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Corey Walker
I think reading, honestly, I think that's something that is becoming a lost skill. I think especially in the new era of artificial intelligence, where people don't do their own reading, they don't do their own writing. But I think reading is a good way to understand, I think other people and their perspectives in lives. I think reading or reading history, I think especially is important. Nonfiction, I think, is important largely because that's, you know, so many of the answers for current predicaments, I think, are in the past.
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Carol Markowitz
Yeah.
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Corey Walker
These are not, you know, these are not really new battles that we're fighting in our society. And I. But I think that we struggle to learn from our lessons because we don't really look, you know, we. We forget, like, we have amnesia because we don't, you know, revisit our, you know, the. The past issues of our society. Right.
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Carol Markowitz
Like, we've done this already.
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Corey Walker
So I think reading I. So. And I'm probably really bad at this, but I think turning off social media is really good because I think you get sucked into these virtual worlds and landscapes that don't. Are not real, not reflective of society, but also just incentivize the worst possible behavior.
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Carol Markowitz
Absolutely.
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Corey Walker
And I think that that's something. And I also think one thing I'm kind of thinking of is a lot of the kind of current economic landscape is built around, like, really hijacking people, getting them addicted. You're singing this a lot with young men. So, like, one thing I've been thinking about a lot, nonstop, is actually gambling. So, like, gambling is becoming really. Is super, super accessible.
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Carol Markowitz
Yeah. So easy.
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Corey Walker
But it's also addictive. And so you're starting to see, especially with young men, for some reason, I don't know if women have this issue, but as young men.
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Carol Markowitz
Sports, right? It's the sports.
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Corey Walker
Yeah, it's sp. Yeah.
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Carol Markowitz
Yeah. So.
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Corey Walker
And I read something that, like, 47%, I believe, of men that were, like, 14 years old have gambled in the past year.
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Carol Markowitz
Right.
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Corey Walker
And it goes up to, like, 60. Over 60% when you talk about college age. 18, 19. Yeah. And so we're. We're building an entire generation of young men that are addicted to gambling, which is bad because, you know, as anyone who's dealt with any sort of gambling addict knows, it's very hard to break. Yeah, you can end up losing your house. Like, you know, it's so this stuff is really, really bad and it's addictive and exploitative and there's no guardrails. Like we decided to legalize it. We had no national debate on this at all.
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Carol Markowitz
Right.
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Corey Walker
Like, you know, we have more impassioned debates over like weed, but we decided to just gamble. You know, just put that out there. There was no discussion. We just did it. And so there's a lot of things I think we need to be thinking about as a society.
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Carol Markowitz
I love that. Read more Be on the Less I think that's a good recipe for my listeners. Thank you so much for coming on. He is Cory Walker. Read him in the Alge Miner. He is fantastic on X. Check him out. Thanks so much, Corey this is Jacob
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