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Carol Markowitz
Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz show on iheartradio. My guest today is Molly Hemingway. Molly is editor in chief of the Federalist, senior journalism fellow at Hillsdale, a Fox News contributor, and the author of the excellent new book the justice who Reshaped the Supreme Court and Restored the Constitution. Hi, Molly. So nice to have you on.
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Molly Hemingway
It's great to be here with you, Carol.
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Carol Markowitz
Molly's also one of my all time favorite people and I'm so thrilled to be doing this with her. We were just talking before the show that her husband, Mark Hemingway had been on the show before. And, you know, we want to make a complete Hemingway set here.
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Molly Hemingway
You get the lesser Hemingway this time.
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Carol Markowitz
So tell me about Alito. I feel like he's a very understated member of the Supreme Court, and you writing a book about him was sort of almost surprising to me.
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Molly Hemingway
Well, it's kind of why I wrote the book was because I feel like nobody knows anything about him. And I had previously co authored with Carrie Severino a book on Justice Kavanaugh. And when we wrote that, we interviewed tons of people, including people on the Supreme Court and Alito's own colleagues and other really influential, interesting people. They all wondered why nobody writes about him because he's so significant. And you see that even recently he authors this massive decision against racist gerrymandering. He's the author of the Dobbs decision. He is the author of Hobby Lobby. Even when he's not authoring an opinion, he's considered the most effective, along with Elena Kagan at oral argument. That's where the justices kind of try to make an argument about what the case should be decided on. But he's so quiet and he's so reserved, nobody knows about him. So I was like, well, I want to know more about him. So decided to write the book. And I'm really glad I did because I'm learning that a lot of other people wanted to know about him as well.
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Carol Markowitz
Did you get to know him pretty well?
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Molly Hemingway
I've had the opportunity to interview quite a few Supreme Court justices, including for this book. All of my conversations are always on background, and I just keep it that way.
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Carol Markowitz
I love that. Any interesting tidbits in the book that surprised you?
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Molly Hemingway
Well, there were really big things that surprised me about how Elena Kagan handled herself after the Dobbs leak. But on a more personal level, I just loved, you know, I interviewed a lot of his former clerks, some of whom were like, you know now judges or people in high positions, I should say. And they had these really touching stories about his very dry sense of humor, how thoughtful he was toward his to his staff and clerks. You know, each year the clerks do like a review show at the end of the term where they kind of poke fun at different chambers. And one year the clerks did one for him that was making fun of how he's very expressive with his face. He'll get in trouble sometimes for rolling his eyes or he once mouthed the words that's not true or simply not true. At a State of the Union when President Obama mischaracterized a decision. The clerks always say they can tell how debates went among the justices. Cause when he returns from doing that, they can just see on him, was he happy or was he sad? But they did a World Series of Poker where the whole, I was gonna
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Carol Markowitz
say I don't think that he's gonna be a great poker player.
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Molly Hemingway
So the whole thing, they had someone playing Justice Alito and if he got a good hand, oh, he was beaming. And everybody else folds and if he got a bad hand, he would be glum and people would, you know, would, would go for more money. So he's, you know, just kind of getting those kinds of details and just seeing how the court is like, we know a lot of what happens at the court, but we don't know what it's like on a day to day basis. And getting to tell those, those behind the scenes stories was fun too.
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Carol Markowitz
Has the court become your personal beat? Like, I feel like you're very into the Supreme Court and who they are and what they do and kind of the background stories about it.
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Molly Hemingway
Yeah, no, definitely not. But I do, I do love covering the court and I do love reading. I'm one of those people who reads the opinions and the dissents. I have, you know, I just like take delight in it. And I have loved covering the court and I love also, since most of the reporters who cover the court are from a left wing perspective, being able to not be from that perspective and cover the court I think is important, particularly since the left wing is really just those three justices now. And that leaves a lot to be explored by reporting.
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Carol Markowitz
A reporter at Reason magazine, Nick, yesterday was saying that he was gonna interview Gorsuch and he said, you know, what should I ask? And I suggested asking, are you bitter that Molly Hemingway hasn't written a book about you yet? Do you think you will go down the line?
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Molly Hemingway
I don't know. I always write books only when I Think they're necessary. So when Carrie and I wrote the Kavanaugh book, we knew what was gonna happen because she clerked for Clarence Thomas. And when Clarence Thomas went through what he went through, most people came out of that believing Clarence Thomas. But the left, they always. You know, they write books, they do documentaries. They just keep going at a narrative until they convince people. And we knew we needed to get the history down. And so that was like just, you got to do it. And I love doing that. That's where I really got into covering the court. And then for my book on election administration, again, I was like, what happened? I need to know. And so on this Alito, I do feel very strongly that the country does not recognize him like they should. And I wanted to tell his story, get into his biography, explain his jurisprudence, and also put him up as a model for the right. Right now, like Carol, you see these people who are either, you know, they just say, like, you gotta win at all costs. You gotta have power, and you gotta deploy it, and that's all that matters. And then you have people who are like, all that matters is that I discuss philosophy in my quiet library. And he really blends those two. He says, you know, yeah, we have principles, we have values, we have this philosophy. And also, we're serving people here. And so showing how you can balance those things inst. As in conflict, I think that's something the right could definitely learn. But also, just Americans in general, that these are both important things to have.
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Carol Markowitz
I think you blend those two things very well also. Molly Hemingway.
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Molly Hemingway
Appreciate it.
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Carol Markowitz
You have a really natural curiosity about you. You always seem to want to know more about different topics, and I think that makes you a natural journalist. But what would you be doing instead if it wasn't this?
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Molly Hemingway
So I will say, when you asked, is the Supreme Court your beat? I did always want to go to law school and didn't do that. Writing this book was awesome because I'd be interviewing a federal judge, and he'd make a reference to some case that I'd never heard of that obviously everybody should have heard of if they went to law school. And I would say, oh, I don't know what you're talking about. And then I would have a respected federal judge or justice or law school dean explain it to me like I was their private student. And I'm like, this is amazing. And much cheaper and more efficient than going to law school. Yeah, and definitely better. But I think that's the wonderful thing about being a journalist is you can go from topic to topic and rather than having just one thing for your whole life. So I've loved covering intelligence agencies. I actually loved covering election administration, which has to be one of the more boring topics out there. But you know, I enjoyed it and I love covering the courts and the Supreme Court.
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Carol Markowitz
We're going to take a quick break and be right back on the Carol Markowitz Show.
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Carol Markowitz
network when I first started reading you, you were a mommy blogger. Yeah, I feel like a lot of people don't know that about you. Molly Hemingway, you are actually a fantastic mommy blogger. You were a beautiful writer. I mean, obviously you still are. And I thought that you had very interesting takes on parenting and that sort of thing. Do you miss writing about that kind of stuff?
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Molly Hemingway
Well, I try to still keep a foot in that. I think that the most important work I do is my family work. So I, I also don't like a lot of the talk that's out there about being a wife and mother. So I try to, you know, point out that there are healthier ways of approaching these things. And I've always been, I've always been a non feminist, which is kind of unique among people who are in D.C. or New York. Yeah. And so I've just had a different perspective and I like to share it. So I do miss it though, because I actually think it's really important that women have a proper understanding of the joys of, of family life and that they be recognized properly.
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Carol Markowitz
I think that's a book in and of itself. I could definitely see that being a future book of yours. You have a lot of range. That's what I was trying to say. I wasn't trying to block the Mommy blogging.
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Molly Hemingway
Carolyn, did you know I used to be a sex columnist, too? No.
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Carol Markowitz
Really? Oh, my God.
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Molly Hemingway
You want range.
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Carol Markowitz
Where did you write about sex?
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Molly Hemingway
Oh, I'm, like, totally forgetting it was this publication. I'll send you some of my. I think very good.
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Carol Markowitz
Suspicious. You're forgetting I once gave a conservative. A speech to a conservative organization about how sex is the most important thing in a marriage. And, you know, I also. I love mentioning that my husband was sort of liberal when we met. And, ladies, you can change them, you know.
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Molly Hemingway
Exactly right.
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Carol Markowitz
So if the next step is not doing another biography on another Supreme Court justice, if Alito is, you know, the one that you stop the biographies with, what would you write about next?
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Molly Hemingway
I mean, I have thought about taking some of the work that I've done on Russia, collusion or the corruption of the FBI. You know, when that was going on, when I was reporting on that with my colleagues at the Federalist, I kept on thinking it needs to end somehow. You know, how do you write while you're in the middle of it? And with so much of the stuff that came out in the last year, I have. I long ago gave up hope that there would be actual accountability. I mean, I still hope for it, but I don't really think it's. You know, nothing will happen at the level it should. But I think we actually understand how everything happened now. And having been so in the weeds on that, I kind of want to put it together, but I am.
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Carol Markowitz
You tell good stories. And I think that that is a story that a lot of people. I have to include myself somehow. I mean, I know what happened with the Russia collusion, but I don't know everything that happened. And I think that would be a story that would be great to tell.
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Molly Hemingway
Well, okay. Well, I'll sign you up. Talk to you on publishers. Yeah.
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Carol Markowitz
What is it that you're most proud of in your own life?
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Molly Hemingway
So, actually, I have to tell you, Carol, that that word pride, kind of sets me off. My brother had told me once that in his Bible study that the pastor had pointed out that pride is never used as a good word in scripture. It's viewed as a negative thing. So I'll go with pleased, maybe, like what I'm most pleased with. Okay. You know, I already mentioned my family, but I think maybe that I was able to put together a career that balanced these things. I did put thought into it and work into it at the front end. I remember getting in trouble for it, that I was thinking that I wanted to be a Wife and mother before I became. Long before I became a wife and mother. But I tried to figure out things I could do that would match well with raising my own children. And I love that I was able to do that, am able to do that and have a husband who also believes in raising our children and prioritizing our home life.
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Carol Markowitz
You have two of the greatest kids ever. Like, I love your daughters. Every time I see them, I'm so impressed. They're just, I mean, they're beyond. They're really wonderful, wonderful kids. How do you do it? What's the secret?
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Molly Hemingway
Well, I think you know from your amazing children that you try to do the good things, but that doesn't mean you kind of know. It's not. It's beyond you. They just come out the way that they are.
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Carol Markowitz
They are who they are. Yeah.
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Molly Hemingway
But we definitely invested a lot in education and we are totally comfortable being stricter parents than our friends and neighbors are. And in fact, I have a, like a mother who's German, you know, so she, I think she took it as a compliment if you said she was being too strict. So I kind of have a little bit of that too. I'm sure my children would cringe if they heard me, you know, acknowledge that I actually like being strict with them. But I don't know. Yeah, we have a happy home life. It's just fun.
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Carol Markowitz
Awesome. Give us a five year out prediction can be about anything at all.
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Molly Hemingway
Okay, so five years out, 2031. I've been thinking about this recently. This is related to my absolute hatred of AI Slop. And it enrages me when people share it on Facebook or Twitter. To me it's so obvious that that picture is. It just looks fake. Or that, oh, that tweet that's going viral from that account. That clear. Like if you can't get it in 140, 280 characters, like just, it's just probably AI. I mean, I just, I don't even like to deal with it, but I think there will become a market for non AI stuff and that people will be willing to pay for the. For interacting with actual human thought.
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Carol Markowitz
Interesting. How are they going to know that it's actual human thought?
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Molly Hemingway
Well, I don't know exactly. I'll let the market figure that out. But you know, in the same way that like a boutique has done the work of selecting things rather than going to the, you know, the big department store where there's just so much that's overwhelming, I think there will be some type of boutique aspect of okay. This was actually written by a real person or this movie was made without AI.
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Carol Markowitz
Right.
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Molly Hemingway
And that. You'll pay a premium for that.
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Carol Markowitz
I already see it a little bit in the kids. They're like, oh, that's AI. And it's not a positive ever. It's always like, oh, that's AI. This looks too AI, you know.
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Molly Hemingway
Yeah.
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Carol Markowitz
But the older set, I think almost can't tell a lot of the time. And I don't. It's sort of. I know, I know. I, I would say I don't think I've fallen for very many. I, I fell for one recently that bugged me. But, you know, it happens. But the, the people, the generation older than us, I think are, you know, fall for it on a regular basis.
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Molly Hemingway
It'll keep getting better. Quote, unquote. Like my own personal thing is I don't know what I think until I write it. So I can't use AI. I have to do it myself or else it's like it didn't happen.
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Carol Markowitz
Yeah.
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Molly Hemingway
And I. So I'm very strongly, like very strongly opposed to it.
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Carol Markowitz
So you don't know where you're going when you sit down to write. You're just like, yeah.
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Molly Hemingway
Or you might think you're going to
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Carol Markowitz
see where we end up.
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Molly Hemingway
You know, frequently I'll think I'm going to write this. And then what ends up being written is not quite that. And it's an important part of the whole thinking process. And why would you take that away from yourself? It's a joy to read people's thoughts and have them challenge you.
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Carol Markowitz
And so I've never used AI to write and I've seen people suggest that there are like all these apps, they can monitor how you wrote a piece. And I was like, if anybody sees how I write my pieces, they're going to think I'm a complete lunatic. I'll have like a random word that I want to use in a sentence and like build a sentence around it. And I don't need anybody looking at how I get there.
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Molly Hemingway
Oh, man, it would be embarrassing. Yeah. But that's. Everyone's process is their own and that's how they get to the final product. And obviously your final product are awesome. So it works well.
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Carol Markowitz
Thank you very much. But yeah, I just can't have the security of the fighting AI find out how I do it because that just can't work for me. Molly, you are just one of my all time favorites in every way. I love your work so much. I think you're such a fantastic writer and just a best human. Leave us here with your best tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives.
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Molly Hemingway
Okay, I'm gonna assume a lot of people have said to have kids or get married, so I'm gonna move past those.
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Carol Markowitz
I don't know. I get a lot of like, read books, get off the Internet.
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Molly Hemingway
Oh, okay. Well, that's all very good too, I would say. You know, from my perspective as a Christian, go to church, like become part of that community. Have things that are beyond the temporal, that you are focused on higher things. And it keeps everything in perspective. And it also helps provide structure, you know, in your marriage when you have trouble or with your kids when you have tr, you have these systems that can help you think through how to be appropriate.
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Carol Markowitz
I love it. She is Molly Hemingway. Check her out at the Federalist. Read her new book, the justice who Reshaped the Supreme Court and Restored the Constitution. Thank you so much, Molly.
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Molly Hemingway
Thank you, Carol.
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