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Ollie London
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Carol Markowitz
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Unknown
Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz show on iheartradio. My guest today is Ollie London. Ollie is the author of Gender One Man's Devastating Struggle With Woke Ideology and His Battle to Protect Children. Hi, Ali, So nice to have you on.
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Ollie London
Hey, Carol, So great to be with you. Thanks for having me.
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Unknown
So I've followed you on Twitter and then X for a very long time and you're always very on top of all the news. You feel like you have all the stories kind of just as they're breaking. What made you get into this world?
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Ollie London
So I actually started out on social media being more of a kind of influencer. So travel, fashion, music, comedy videos on TikTok. And I did that for probably about five years and it just wasn't very fulfilling for me. You know, I wanted to actually use my platform to try and do something good, to try share a positive message and to try help people. So, you know, about three years ago, I actually became a Christian, started going to church and that actually really helped me have some clarity in life and just want to change my life and, you know, try, try to give back to other people and raise awareness of issues.
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Unknown
It's amazing. How did you become a Christian? What led you to that?
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Ollie London
So I was going through a kind of identity crisis and, you know, I was very lost. And, you know, throughout my life I was, you know, I went to a Christian school as a kid, but then as a teenager became atheist and had no relationship with God. I was kind of pushed away from God. You know, it was only three and a half years ago when I needed to make some changes in my life. You know, I wasn't happy with who I was, the direction I going. So I needed to find a different outlet that would give me some positivity, that would give me some motivation. Yeah. So basically slowly started going to church and found the Christian community super welcoming and kind and, you know, amazing people and, you know, just become very passionate about faith ever since and just been to the Holy Land, Jerusalem and, you know, planning to get baptized later this year. So, yeah, it's been a great journey.
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Unknown
So it's not an easier path, that's for sure. Especially living in a public way. I think it would have been easier to stay an influencer. Talking about travel and food. Do you have any regrets?
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Ollie London
You know, it definitely was a lot easier just posting fashion, pictures, music, entertainment. You know, I still did get some hate. But you know what, the hate now is obviously like tenfold. I got the trans activists, I've got the Palestine activists, you know, but the end of the day, I think that as long as you're doing something positive in the world, you're trying to help people. You know, I think it doesn't matter about the backlash, doesn't matter about the hate. And, you know, might be more difficult now being outspoken about certain issues, but, you know, it's, it's totally worth it when you can make a difference to someone's life. Like, you know, parents that are maybe struggling with their kids being susceptible to gender ideology, or the Jewish community that right now really need people speaking up. So, you know, whatever these, the hate or the difficulties online, it's worth it to try and help these people.
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Unknown
What made you write gender madness?
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Ollie London
So I went through my own identity crisis for a long time, actually since I was a teenager. I always struggled with who I was and wanted to change myself, struggle with gender identity, the way I looked. So I went for a lot of changes. And, you know, I got to a stage again three and a half years ago when I became Christian, when I just wasn't satisfied with myself. And, you know, I thought, what is, what am I doing? You know, this isn't making me happy, it's actually making me unhappy. How can I try and change this? So, you know, I went through that process, had some therapy, went to church, and then I was, you know, I wanted to try and help people that are going through this struggle because it's a very common issue. You know, it's affecting so many young people these days, kids, teens, and you know, for parents, it's a very tough challenge. So I think, you know, because I went through that personally, I wanted to try and offer that insight to try and help that people struggling, to try and give them some hope, some positivity to try and get people to embrace who they are and learn to love themselves and just to give some help for parents. Because there wasn't anything out there, Carol. There was no manual out there to help people that are going through this. There's no information to help detransitioners. So I wanted to compile all of that information in one book to try and, you know, try and help people. So it's, you know, kind of like a self help book.
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Unknown
I love that. So not to give away, you know, the Book plot, let's say. But what's the first step that you tell parents to take if their kids are kind of going down that gender confused path?
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Ollie London
Well, it's a very, very tough situation because you have different types of parents. You have some parents that generally push this on kids. And you know, there is. People call it Munchausen by proxy when you have some parents will want their kid to be trans or non binary because it makes them special, because they stand out and they get attention. But then you have many parents that generally just want to help their kid and, you know, they don't know what to do, Carol. They're struggling and, you know, their kid is coming home from school, they're changing, they're changing their pronouns, you know, changing their identity. And you know, most parents just want to help their kids be happy and be the best version of themselves. But, you know, I think parents really need to be aware of what's going on, you know, at school, behind the scenes, you know, maybe in after school clubs, you know, what are their kids being exposed to online? You know, you know, parents can have kind of parental controls on phones just to make sure the kid isn't, you know, on TikTok five hours a day looking at, you know, trans activists telling them how to transition, you know, because that is a thing on TikTok. So I think, you know, parents just need to be aware of what's going on behind the scenes to try and see the signs of their kid struggling with something and just try to speak to them, you know, heart to heart, try to help them. But it is a very difficult situation because some kids, because of the trans ideology, they're taught to push away from their parents. So if the parent comes in to try and help them, they are being told by people around them to, that your parent is a bad person. They're trying to stop you living your life. So it's a very, very challenge.
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Unknown
Even when I, when I lived in New York and I saw the trans, you know, insanity kind of explode onto the scene, there were a lot of parents who were even super left parents who their kid would say to them, I think I'm the opposite gender. And they would say, well, why? And a girl would say, well, I play sports and I like to climb trees and I like to wear pants. And if the parents didn't immediately support that, the school would often step in and let the kid be a boy at school. And it was really tough. Even again, even for very liberal parents, they could not get their kids sort of away from That, I mean, you know, you feel less sorry for them because this is the system that they've built. But I would just want to say that it's not that all parents want this for their kids. Even very left parents often don't.
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Ollie London
Yeah, yeah, very good point. I mean, like you said in New York, in other Democrat states, like Oregon, Washington state, California, sometimes, you know, if the parent doesn't want their kid to transition or, you know, they're trying to look out for their kids, the school will then push that and you'll have school therapists and counselors transitioning the kid, giving them new pronouns, giving them a new name, you know, affirming that gender identity. Yeah, that is wrong because at the end of the day, the kids should only be having, you know, the parents should be involved in their life. They shouldn't have some school counselor, some teacher, you know, some pronoun person pushing this on the kids. That is a conversation to have between the parent and the kid. And it is very concerning because like you said, there are liberal parents out there that, you know, their kid might be a tomboy. And, you know, there's, you know, what happened to tomboys? There were so many tomboys in the 70s, the 80s, 90s, suddenly now that they. Thems, they are, you know, trans. And it's, it's, it's wrong. You know, we should just let kids enjoy their lives, you know, grow up. And there's lots of girls that like to do, you know, typically boys things, football, you know, climbing trees. There's lots of, you know, lots of boys that might want to play with Barbies or they like the color pink. You know, doesn't mean they should be changing gender, doesn't mean they should take hormones. So, yeah, that is something that the parent needs to be aware of. And, you know, it's, It's. You're absolutely right. There are schools that push. There are certain, you know, states, Democrat states that push it and make like Colorado is a trans sanctuary state. And, you know, they will sometimes get child protective services to take the kid from the parents. So it's a really horrible situation for, for any family.
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Unknown
Right. I often say this, but had this happened when I was in high school, I would 1 million percent be they them. I would a million percent make my teachers call me a different pronoun every day. And if they get it wrong, they get in trouble. Oh, that power. I would have definitely liked that. I think it's just, it is a lot of influence to give a child to say everyone around you is Going to affirm whatever crazy thing you think. And if they don't, they can get in trouble. It's a lot of power.
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Ollie London
Yeah. And there's also now all sorts of trends. You've got this furries trend, which is basically people dressing up as furry animals and, you know, like dressing up as dogs and barking, dressing up as cats and meowing, and, you know, they're running around on all fours. And in some classrooms you have that now, and it's like the teachers going along with it. That is just insanity. It's like, we get that kids, you know, a little kid might say they want to be a dinosaur. They might want to be an astronaut one day, you know, like Katy Perry. But it doesn't mean, you know, it doesn't mean we should be affirming their. Whatever they feel like that day. You know, it's like their kids, just let them have fun, let them be happy, but, you know, don't then go say to that kid, okay, let's take you to the doctor, let's get you some hormones, let's cut off your body parts. You know, that is just insanity. And like you said, you know, years ago, that wasn't the case. And some kids, they also like to rebel. So if you can now give them that power that they can say their teacher misgendered them, you know, that would.
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Unknown
Have been why I would do it. I feel like I was always pretty girly, but I would have 100% used that influence. I mean, why not? Oh, I would have leaned so into it, for sure they them all the way. So it wasn't enough that you get all this hate for your extremely sane views on trans. You then have become sort of an outspoken voice on Israel and against antisemitism. Why?
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Ollie London
Well, again, it's part of my Christian journey. So, you know, since I became Christian, I've been outspoken on a variety of issues because I think, you know, you can't turn a blind eye to certain things. And, you know, people, somebody needs to speak up. And, you know, what I've seen happening to Jews around the world in the wake of October 7th is it's absolutely abhorrent to see, you know, Jews in New York scared to wear a Keeper or their Star of David. Same in London, same in Berlin. And it's so wrong. So I just feel that, you know, if you have a platform, even if you have 100 followers, you should be speaking up for other people. And, you know, as we know, Jews are the most persecuted people in history. And the fact that this you know, what happened, obviously, during the Holocaust, and now people are repeating that same kind of level of rhetoric, that same level of antisemitism, you know, that you had Kristallnacht. There was a similar incident last year in Amsterdam with Israeli football fans being attacked. And it's shocking to see. It's like history repeating itself. So I feel like I want to be on the right side of history. And I think people, like Jewish people should not be alone. And sadly, I've been to Israel three times in the last year and a half, and a lot of them say they feel they're quite surprised that there's a non Jew standing up for them. And I think that's shocking. I think it's shocking that they should say that, that there's not more people speaking up. It's. For me, it's common sense. It's human decency, especially what happened on October 7, and, you know, spend a lot of time in New York. New York has the biggest Jewish community in America, and it's very sad that they don't feel safe going to places. It's very sad that Israeli restaurants and businesses are targeted and, you know, people wearing, you know, traditional Jewish clothing or ultra Orthodox Jews are getting attacked, and it's just wrong. So I think for me personally, it's very important to speak up.
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Unknown
Well, you're very appreciated, I assure you of that. But it is. It is hard for me to imagine taking that kind of risk. And it's not even, you know, it's again, very appreciated. But the idea that you don't have to be doing this is often something that I think about. Like, you could have taken the easier path. You could have. You could have stuck with your just one controversial topic, you know.
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Ollie London
Well, you know, I've already got the trans activists attacking me before. Why not have the anti Semites?
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Unknown
It's really. It's the same people often, too.
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Ollie London
You know, it actually is. It's the queers of Palestine, you know, the they thems.
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Unknown
Right.
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Ollie London
So you know what? I just think at the end of the day, I want to have a good moral compass. I think we should all have a good moral compass and we should speak up for people that need a voice. And at the moment, Jewish people are having a very difficult time in Europe, Canada, Australia is very bad, you know, so it's important to speak up for them. And, you know, we shouldn't. We shouldn't have to worry about what other people think or I'm going to get some hate comments, you know, who cares about that if you can help somebody that is, you know, being persecuted or being attacked, you know, I, I a big studier of history, read a lot of books and you know, I've seen, I saw what happened in 1930s Germany with the build up and it, it wasn't an overnight thing, it happened over decades. This hatred of Jews, it's always been there, sadly. And you see the buildup. So I've seen the buildup since October 7th and you know, it's very concerning. So everybody should be speaking up. So, you know, who cares about few hate comments or whatever. If we all speak up, you know, there's nothing to worry about. So you know, I just want to encourage people to speak up.
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Unknown
Very, very brave of you, honestly. More coming up with Ali London. But first folks, we are seeing something truly disturbing. Antisemitism is on the rise around the world and sadly, right here in America. Jewish schools being targeted, synagogues threatened, families living in fear. It's something we hoped we'd never see again in our lifetime. And let me say this silence is not an option. This is the moment to take a stand. That's why I want to tell you about the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews or ifcj. They are on the front lines providing real help where it's needed most. They're giving food and shelter to Jewish families under threat, building bomb shelters for children, helping survivors of hate rebuild their lives. And they don't just respond to crisis, they work every day to prevent it. Your gift of only $45 will help support their life saving work by helping provide food, shelter and much more. The Bible says I will bless those who bless you. Supporting IFCJ is a spiritual stand. It's showing up for God's people when it counts. So please call 888488 IFCJ. That's 888488, 4325 or go to IFCJ.org every dollar helps. Don't wait be the difference. Visit IFCJ.org or call 888-488-ICCJ now, Ryan.
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Unknown
What do you worry about?
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Ollie London
You know, I worry about the state of the world. I mean, thank God President Trump is back because we've seen a huge, you know, it's like, it's like a miracle, you know, what's happened in the US within the last hundred days. You know, so many great things. And it did feel like, you know, the world was changing in a very dark way, you know, with the Kamala Harris and, you know, Democrats and around the world becoming very socialist. So it is great to see Trump is back and, you know, America is being respected again by the world. And, you know, I know Europe's being a bit weird with the Trump administration, but, you know, Trump and J.D. vance are, are being tough on them, rightly so. But I worry about the future because it seems in some countries are going very authoritarian, like the United Kingdom. Free speech is being attacked. You have Christians praying outside abortion clinics, silently getting arrested. So that is a concern and a concern across Europe to see the growing trend of, again, anti Semitism in Sweden, in Germany, in Amsterdam. So. So that's a concern. But I think now with Trump, I think there is a confidence across the world that things are changing. Certainly people in Israel, the Jewish community, seem more confident and seem very grateful that there's a new administration that's on their side, the most pro Israeli administration in modern history. So I think things are changing, so we should always have a positive outlook.
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Unknown
I was very pessimistic for the last four years, and I never was really before. I, you know, I'm an immigrant to the United States. I was born in the Soviet Union. I Feel so lucky all the time to be an American. But last four years I was definitely feeling like we were on a really wrong path. I mean, longer than four years. But the last four years really brought it into focus. I agree with you. I think that it's an optimistic moment. I don't love every single thing he does, but I don't think it's normal to like every single thing a politician does. So I'm feeling good. I think it's a brighter moment. You know, these, these podcasts are recorded like several weeks out, so I hope we're still feeling like this when this comes out. What advice would you give your 16 year old self?
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Ollie London
That's a great question. I would just say, you know, it's, it's tough as a teenager. You know, all teenagers struggle with who they are, their identity, confidence. And I would just say be confident with who you are. Learn to love your own skin and be happy with who you are. And be, try to, try to always do something every single day to help other people. Whether that's giving somebody a compliment, you know, saying to a woman, oh, that's a beautiful dress today. You know, just make someone feel good, you know, feeding a stray dog on the street something every day, just make a small impact because that can make a world of difference to that one person or animal. So that would be my advice to my 16 year old self. You know, be confident, don't change yourself and just always, every day be grateful and try to make a small difference.
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Unknown
I feel like 16 year olds aren't confident by nature, but it's an important trait and if they're not, I think you can, you can head down some dark paths. I think we're seeing the result of that in so many different places where unconfident people are retreating to their kind of, I don't wanna say holes, but that is what it seems like a lot of the time on the social media. What would have made you more confident at the time?
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Ollie London
I mean, that's really tough to think because I think all teenagers struggle with anxiety, self esteem, self confidence. So that is a tough question to try and say that, but just, just to tell.
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Unknown
My kids are heading into the teen years, so this is particularly interesting to me.
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Ollie London
Yeah, I mean, you know, all teens go for it, but I would just say, you know, whatever you feel right now is going to change. It's going to be completely different as you get older. As you get older, you get more wisdom, you grow in confidence. So whatever anxiety you have as a teen, don't worry about it. You know, don't stress. You'll be happy as you get older. You know, once maybe you start university or you know, once you start a career in life. So just have a goal in life. Whatever career you want to do, stick to it, stay motivated. And yeah, that would be my advice because it is tough. You know, teens, they feel, you know, the world is against them. And, and I think that's why many teens do turn to this gender ideology for a way of assessing or to try and stand out or even to gain attention. So I would just say yeah, just, just try to be happy with who you are.
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Unknown
We're going to take a quick break and be right back on the Carol Markowitz Show.
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Unknown
Would you tell your 16 year old self to turn to God or did you need the kind of path that you took to get there?
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Ollie London
You know I definitely would but I think I did need to go through the path and journey I did go through to be doing what I do now. So you know I like I said I did go to a Christian school as a kid but then as a teen became atheist. But you know, I would say everybody has a different path in life and you know God will guide you and every, you know some people are born into Christian families, some people as they're an adult, you know, so I think everybody is different. I think God already has a plan for everybody. So it will happen whenever it's meant to be. But I do think for young people it's important to have faith, to have that sense of community, to have that sense of doing goodwill and giving back to the world and kindness. I think there's a lot of great, great messages in the Christian faith.
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Unknown
Love it. I feel very close to the Christians in my life. I think we have a very similar shared values. Obviously I like the Sebastian Maniscalco. He talks about Italians, but he says, you know, the same corporation, different divisions, that's, that's very much how I feel about the Christians in my life. I've loved this conversation. You're such an interesting person. Leave us here with your best tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives.
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Ollie London
So my best tip would just be again, yeah, do something positive every day. And you know, everybody has stress in life. Whether that's, you know, doing the nine to five jobs. Some people have to work two jobs or three jobs. You know, you might be going for a difficult time, you might be going through a divorce, but just try to every day do something positive to help somebody else's life. Whether that's smiling at someone, you know, taking, taking a moment to help an elderly lady across the street, you know, speaking to someone in a store, you know, just spread positivity. I think if you do that, you receive that positivity back and you know, it can change your outlook on life. It can make you positive. So, yeah, just try to do something good every day.
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Unknown
I love it. Thank you so much. He Oli London. Check out his book Gender Madness. Thank you so much for coming on, Ollie.
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Ollie London
Such a pleasure. Thank you, Carol.
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Carol Markowitz
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