The Karol Markowicz Show: Real Friendships & Real Accountability: Buck Sexton on Connection, Peter Schweizer on Corruption

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: The Karol Markowicz Show: Real Friendships & Real Accountability
Guests: Buck Sexton, Peter Schweizer
Release Date: September 12, 2025
Podcast Host: Carol Markowitz (guest-hosting on iHeartRadio)

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show—guest hosted by Carol Markowitz—looks at two main themes: the challenge of building real friendships and accountability in adulthood, and the responsibility and impact of deep investigative reporting in America. The show is divided into two substantive interviews:

• An advice segment on making friends as an adult, especially for women in their 30s with young children, featuring Buck Sexton.
• An in-depth conversation with investigative journalist and author Peter Schweizer about his work, the nature of research and writing, threats faced by public figures, and broader life lessons.

Throughout the episode, the hosts blend practical, relatable life advice with candid insights into the world of political investigation, all while maintaining a conversational, upbeat, and occasionally humorous tone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Advice on Friendship in Adulthood

Guest: Buck Sexton
Segment Begins: 03:52

• The Listener's Dilemma:
  Cara, a 36-year-old mother of two, shares her struggle with forming strong friendship circles, despite living in the same city her whole life. She’s frustrated by the picture-perfect friend groups she sees on social media.

• Buck Sexton’s Approach:

  • Start with Conversation:
    “Just get in the habit of talking to people... It’s a lost art these days.” (05:33)
    He draws parallels between making friends and dating—both begin with simply being open and friendly in everyday encounters.
  • Project Positive (and Relaxed) Energy:
    “You put out an energy … that is completely lacking in desperation and there’s, like, a warmth...” (07:36)
    He suggests that people are often drawn to relaxed, genuine confidence.
  • Simple, Open-Ended Questions:
    He recommends starting with non-intrusive, everyday topics or “What are you excited about these days?” to open people up, rather than the overused “What do you do?” (08:32)
    Carol adds: “My opening question is, where are you from? … often sparks a conversation.” (09:27)
  • Don’t Compare to Social Media:
    Carol stresses: “Social media is not real life. … That’s not our everyday life… So yeah, when we see each other, it’s like 10-person selfie on the ‘Gram’–that’s not how we are all the time.” (09:48)
  • Parenthood: A Golden Opportunity:
    “You are in the golden age of making friends. This is literally like going back to first grade and making friends all over again.” (10:29)
    Carol encourages parents to see their children’s playdates and school activities as natural friendship-making opportunities.
  • Shared Experiences Matter:
    “Shared experience, it doesn’t have to be shared activity, but shared experience is very powerful.” (11:12)
  • Follow Through on Good Advice:
    Buck humorously laments, “I tell people to do things, and then they don’t do them, and then they come back and they want to know, what should I do?” (12:16)
  • Tailoring to Environment:
    The vibe of a place matters—some towns encourage talking to strangers; others, not so much.

• Buck’s Rule of Thumb:
  “People love to talk about themselves. Just ask them about their lives.” (13:21)

• Memorable Moment:
  Carol to Buck: “No, no, she identifies herself as a woman, not identifies as a woman. Buck, in your salmon shirt.” (09:47)
  (A playful jab at contemporary language and Buck’s style.)

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2. Investigative Journalism and Personal Accountability

Guest: Peter Schweizer
Segment Begins: 19:35

• Peter’s Claim to Authority:
  Carol opens with, “She said that you’re the main game in town as far as political books are concerned.” (20:04)

• The Role of Research:
  “Honestly, I’m not as much a writer as I am a researcher… That’s always been the key.” (20:33)
  Schweizer explains his passion is for digging into information, not the writing itself: “Of those two years [between books], probably 75% of it is just doing research and then the other 25% is actually the writing process.”

  • He emphasizes: “I think I’m a very good researcher, not a great writer.”

• Unplanned Career Trajectory:
  “If you’d told me when I was 20 that you’re going to be living in Florida and writing these books, I would have said no way… So it was not expected in that way.” (21:51)

• Core through His Books:
  “What I try to do is anticipate and look ahead what the story really should be.” (25:00)

  • He aims to uncover the deeper truths governments and media often ignore, focusing on subjects like corruption and Chinese influence rather than staying on the surface of the news cycle.

• The Surprising Appetite for Deep Dives:
  “Is it surprising to you that people enjoy that deep dive and that they’re still able to kind of get into it?” (26:36 - Carol)
  Schweizer: “It does a little bit… I have tried to make adjustments… but yeah, I am very grateful for the audience…” (27:09)

• Fact Checking & Integrity:
  “Everything in my books, there’s always a paper trail. There’s a corporate record, there’s a legal document, there’s something that supports what you’re saying because I don’t use anonymous sources.” (30:51)

• Notable Anecdote — Real-World Consequences:
  “[Taiwan News] had mentioned my name… and it was how a guy named White Wolf, who’s the leader of a criminal gang in China, was being charged with fentanyl trafficking. And the prosecutors cited my book Blood Money as one of the reasons they decided to launch the investigation. So on one level you’re excited, but on the other level you’re like, you know, now we’ve pissed off White Wolf, right?” (37:21)

• On Security and Threats:
  “The nature of the work that we do is something that upsets a lot of people.” (37:22)
  Schweizer discusses practical safety steps (like concealed carry permits), but also the necessity of accepting what one can’t control:
  “As I’ve gotten older… I just realize there’s just a lot you don’t have control over… for me it’s about trusting God… Not doing things foolish, but trusting God.” (38:19)

• Advice to His Younger Self (and the Young):
  “Don’t try to plan out your life. I think there is a plan for your life… but it’s not up for you to determine.” (41:39)
  “Hard work is worth it… If you want to be good at something, if you want to rise, it’s hard work… There’s no substitute.” (43:39)

• Life Lesson for Listeners:
  “Realize ultimately what’s going on in your life is not about you. I believe you were created for a purpose. It’s larger than you… If you make your life so much about yourself and about your needs, you’re always going to be disappointed. So think of something larger… that you can be part of and how you can make a difference, and I think that’s going to give you joy and happiness.” (45:26)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Friendship & Approachability:

  • “People love to talk about themselves. Just ask them about their lives.” – Buck Sexton (13:21)
  • “You are in the golden age of making friends. This is literally like going back to first grade and making friends all over again.” – Carol Markowitz (10:29)

• On Resisting Social Media Comparisons:

  • “Social media is not real life… That’s not our everyday life.” – Carol Markowitz (09:48)

• On Investigative Integrity:

  • “I don’t use anonymous sources or anything like that. But it’s just a laborious process…” – Peter Schweizer (30:51)

• On the Danger of His Work:

  • “You know, now we’ve pissed off White Wolf, right?” – Peter Schweizer (37:21)

• On Life Purpose:

  • “Realize ultimately what’s going on in your life is not about you… think of something larger… that you can be part of.” – Peter Schweizer (45:26)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:52 – Buck Sexton on making friends as an adult
• 05:33 – “Just get in the habit of talking to people.” – Buck’s advice
• 09:48 – Carol on the reality behind social media “friend groups”
• 10:29 – On making friends as a parent of young kids
• 13:21 – “People love to talk about themselves.” – Key to initiating conversation
• 19:35 – Introduction of Peter Schweizer
• 20:33 – Peter Schweizer on preferring research to writing
• 25:00 – The through-line of Schweizer’s books: Seeing what’s below the surface
• 27:09 – Discussion of reader appetite for deep dives
• 30:51 – Fact checking and insistence on verifiable sources
• 37:21 – The real-world consequences and risks of investigative journalism
• 41:39 – Advice to his 16-year-old self: Don’t over-plan, work hard
• 45:26 – Life advice: Find purpose outside of yourself

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Summary Flow

The episode opens with Carol Markowitz presenting real-life, practical advice on making meaningful, adult connections, with co-host Buck Sexton offering a mix of humor and hard-earned wisdom. The discussion is honest about the challenges but optimistic—rooted in the importance of authenticity, open conversation, and the realities behind the image-focused social media world.

Transitioning into a discussion with Peter Schweizer, the episode delves into the importance of research-driven work in uncovering the hidden truths shaping American political life. Schweizer contrasts the visible “headline” stories with the deep, complex realities often uncovered only through patience, hard work, and a willingness to look beyond immediate trends. He and Carol explore the personal risks of such work, the unpredictability of life, and the enduring value of resilience and purpose.

Both segments weave together the episode’s central themes: true connection requires effort and honesty, and the pursuit of accountability—whether in friendship or in political life—is rarely easy but always worthwhile.

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For listeners:
This episode offers a double dose of practical and philosophical guidance: actionable steps for improving your social life as an adult, especially if you’re feeling isolated, and thoughtful advice on how curiosity, integrity, and a sense of greater purpose can shape a rewarding life and career.

Transcript

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[Carol Markowitz]

Hi and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz show on iheartradio. My guest today for the advice segment that I sometimes do before the interviews is my good friend, co host of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show, Buck Sexton. Sexton. Hi, Buck. So nice to have you on.

[Buck Sexton]

So good to be on.

[Carol Markowitz]

Well, the first time we did this, we answered a really hard question. A man had written in that his wife of four months, it had come out the month before his wedding that she had cheated on him and he was wondering what to do. I think you and I handled it quite well. We disagreed.

[Buck Sexton]

Wait, did she cheat on him? Carol, I think you're stacking the deck a little bit. I think you're. Excuse me. She before they were exclusive got a little.

[Carol Markowitz]

They were not exclusive. See, you know I'm anti these technicalities. I was always team Rachel from Rachel, Rachel and Ross. They were not on a break. Yeah. So our question today is going to be maybe a little easier, maybe a little harder, but definitely a little less intense. Our question today comes from Kara. Kara writes. Hi, Carol. Big fan of your show. I've been listening since the first episode. Well, thank you so much for that, Cara. My favorite episode was when you and Dave Marcus discussed becoming friends again after a falling out. I'm writing to ask you about how to make friends. I'm 36, have two kids age 4 and 2, and my husband and I just don't have the kinds of groups of friends I see all over social media. You've talked about making friends after moving, but I've lived in my city my whole life and never developed the social life I want. Please don't recommend joining a running club or something. What do you think, Buck? How do you make friends in your 30s, talk to people?

[Buck Sexton]

I think it's that it's the same way you actually, if you're trying to meet, you know, trying to meet women, if you're a guy who's single, you just talk to people. Just get in the habit of talking to people. I, I think that it's a lost art these days. And, you know, I understand, like, should you go up to somebody at night at the gas station pump when you know there's nobody else around and be.

[Carol Markowitz]

Like, where do you live?

[Peter Schweitzer]

Hi.

[Buck Sexton]

Should not. But there's so many opportunities and, and I just think that one, it's really talking to people. I will tell you that one thing that makes me. There's a lot of things that make me a little sad about the digital age of like, socializing, dating and where everybody is their own brand. I was of my friend group. I was the guy. I mean, there are people I know who are married because they were like, Buck is a heat seeking missile. He will go talk to this person for me right now and bring them over and like make it happen. And I get that, by the way, straight from Speed Sexton Senior. Not my son, but my dad.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah, he's the best.

[Buck Sexton]

His name is Speed Sexton. So that tells you a lot.

[Carol Markowitz]

I could talk to your dad for hours, actually.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, my dad's great. He loves talking to you. He's a big.

[Carol Markowitz]

I should invite him on for one of these segments.

[Buck Sexton]

He would love to share his almost 80 years of life wisdom with you.

[Carol Markowitz]

Love it.

[Buck Sexton]

But you know, my mom and dad fight over who's a bigger Carol Markowitz fan. It's pretty funny about it. But I would say making friends is. You're putting out energy all the time. Here's a little bit of an example, a little bit of a diversion or digression. But guys are always like, why is it that when I have a girlfriend, all of a sudden these beautiful women, like, want to talk to me? And they're like, is it because of my Instagram post? And the girlfriend's like, no, it's because you're just being like, if you're being a decent boyfriend, you're just being like a cool, normal guy and you have an energy that's just like, hey, like, if you start talking to the gym, you're not like, oh, you know, right. I like the way you look in. In those tight clothes. You're just kind of like, oh, man, like, what a day today. Like, quite a workout. How you doing? Like, you're just.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

You put out an energy.

[Carol Markowitz]

Casual that is.

[Buck Sexton]

Casual that. That is completely lacking in desperation and that is. Is. There's, like a warmth and a. You know, and also the. The affirmation of being in a relationship is like, you're a guy.

[Peter Schweitzer]

You feel.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, assuming you're. Again, you think that girlfriend's cute or you're happy with her or whatever. You know, you're. You're in a place where you're just like, life is good. And that just comes across all the time. And I know people. This sounds like some, you know, seminar thing for, like, how to be, like, a, you know, alpha male. But it's true. Your confidence comes across all the time, men and women.

[Carol Markowitz]

And what's your opening question? What's, like, the first thing you ask a stranger or somebody you just met?

[Buck Sexton]

I always think it's good to just ask something, to just, like, put something out there that is either super easy for them to join you in the response. Like, man, it's. It's a. Isn't it, you know, crazy how expensive these avocados are here these days? You know, something really like that? Or if you want to be a.

[Carol Markowitz]

Little more Making friends in the supermarket.

[Buck Sexton]

Okay, great place, by the way. But, you know, I would say the other thing is to ask people, and you never, never ask, like, what do you do? Or, you know, you just ask, what are you excited about these days? I think. I think asking people what they're excited about these days is one of the. Because if. If their answer is like, man, it's like, well, you're clearly a lot of fun. Right?

[Carol Markowitz]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

Like, because it can be. You give them room to run, but you. You position it in a positive way. So, like, if I asked you, like, what are you excited about these days? You could be like, oh, my gosh, like, my son's history competition was so crazy. We're overseas.

[Carol Markowitz]

That's not.

[Buck Sexton]

You could be like, okay, excuse me, excuse me. Or you could be like, you know, my gosh, like, did you see that Trump executive order today? That was so awesome. He's so funny. Like, you go anywhere you want, but the point is, you've established that commonality of positive vibe right off the bat. So.

[Carol Markowitz]

But honestly, My opening question is, where are you from? Because I think people love talking about their hometowns in general or they love talking about how much they hate their hometowns. But where are you from? Often sparks a conversation. But I also want to say to this person, and she identifies her, you know, she says her name, she's a woman. I think that women get caught up.

[Buck Sexton]

Identifies as female.

[Carol Markowitz]

No, no, she identifies herself as a woman, not identifies as a woman. Buck, in your salmon shirt. She says that, you know, she doesn't have the kinds of groups of friends I see all over social media. And you know, the main thing I want to say to you is, well, two main things. One, social media is not real life. And look like we have a really good group of friends. Buck, Buck and I, right? How often do we actually see each other? So yeah, when we see each other, it's like 10 person selfie on the gram. That's not our everyday life. That's not how we are all the time. I mean, we all like each other a lot and that's great, but.

[Buck Sexton]

And we have families. We're old, we get tired. We need that. It's like very different.

[Carol Markowitz]

The second thing I'll say to this person is she says that she has two kids age 4 and 2. You are in the golden age of making friends. This is literally like going back to first grade and making friends all over again. You get to start again. My one tiny regret about moving to Florida is that my kids were a little bit older. So I missed those young years where you're meeting moms at play dates and, and you're really getting to know people because now my kids just go and they hang out, you know, on the streets and you know, play with their friends and go to each other's houses and there's not really interaction with the parents. You have such an opportunity right now to start again to make friends with parents who have kids the same age as yours. Take this opportunity and don't look at social media.

[Buck Sexton]

I would say also the thing, I understand and I get it, she's like, don't tell me to join a run club. But shared experience, it doesn't have to be shared activity, but shared experience is a very powerful. So, you know, we, you know, you mentioned our friend group. It's like we are basically a collection of Florida, like refugees to Florida from the northeast, mostly Covid drawn. And so there was this shared bond that was built for all conservatives.

[Carol Markowitz]

And we're all generally in media.

[Buck Sexton]

So there's already like a lot that's there. And when you're talking about somebody who's got kids who are 2 and 4, like, there's a lot of commonality there that. That's why it's easy to make friends, right? Because you're having.

[Peter Schweitzer]

Even if you're not.

[Buck Sexton]

This is what I mean. Even you're not having the experience together. You have shared experiences. Insofar as you're doing a thing, they're doing a thing. You're both in that place in your life, and. And I think that can really work. But I just. My biggest thing, anyone that I've ever told this to. One of my big things, Carol, is like, I tell people to do things, and then they don't do them, and then they come back and they want to know, what should I do?

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, like. And I just. I'm like, how about the thing that I told you to do that you agreed was good, but you chose not to do. When I've told, it's generally guys, but when I've told guys, you know, if they feel like they're in a rut with dating or meeting women or something, or else I'm just like, don't think of it like you're getting phone numbers. Forget. Forget about that. Because again, that goes to the, like, eagerness, desperation. Like, hey, hey, maybe we could get a coffee sometime. Just talk to people. Yeah, just talk to people. When it's an opening and it's cool to talk to people. I will say, you know, in some places, like, I was just in North Carolina on vacation. It's actually where this old Edwards comes from.

[Carol Markowitz]

What is old Edwards?

[Buck Sexton]

Old Edwards Inn in Highlands, North Carolina. Great, great place. Relay and Chateau. Highly recommend.

[Carol Markowitz]

Nice.

[Peter Schweitzer]

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[Carol Markowitz]

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[Buck Sexton]

Not sponsored. Yeah, I wish. But I would just say people there, like, everyone wants to talk to you there.

[Peter Schweitzer]

Right?

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, everyone's talked to Kerry there. Talking to me there. Some of them knew who I was. But I mean, just. Even strangers who had no idea it was people are very. Miami's a little bit different, but the point is you get. You get that rhythm. And I would just say. I would just say talk to people and, like. And give them an opportunity.

[Carol Markowitz]

And the.

[Buck Sexton]

And the. Always the fallback, especially if you're shy. People love to talk about themselves.

[Carol Markowitz]

Oh, they do.

[Buck Sexton]

Just ask them about. This is why I get so excited when Carol has me on and doesn't ask me about, like, the latest polling for whether Biden should be indicted or something. I never get to talk about this, Clay and I talk about a lot.

[Carol Markowitz]

This is why you're. Well, you're welcome to come do these segments anytime.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, like, Fox News never calls me. It's like, hey, Bob, can you come on and talk about, like, what's going on with the culture? It's always like, hey, someone left classified documents in a bathroom somewhere. Like, is this a violation of statutes?

[Carol Markowitz]

This is why, you know, this is why you have to come on here and do these segments with me. I've really enjoyed this. Thank you so much for coming on Buck. Stay tuned for my interview with Peter Schweitzer.

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[Carol Markowitz]

And welcome back to the Carol Markowitz show on iHeartRadio. My guest today is Peter Schweitzer. Peter is a New York Times bestselling author eight times over, including the number one New York Times bestselling books, Blood Money, Red Handed Secret Empires, Profiles and Corruption, and Clinton Cash. He is the president of the Government Accountability Institute and host of the Drill down with Peter Schweitzer podcast. So nice to have you on Peter.

[Peter Schweitzer]

Carol, great to be with you. Thanks for having me.

[Carol Markowitz]

I have to start with a compliment. One time I was talking to somebody in the conservative publishing world and she was telling me how hard it is to get political books published. And she said, unless you're Peter Schweitzer and, you know, she said that you're the main game in town as far as political books are concerned. I've read several of your books. I love your work. What makes your books different than the other books that are out there on the market?

[Peter Schweitzer]

Well, Carol, I mean, the secret is, honestly, I'm not as much a writer as I am a researcher. I've loved research. That's always been the key. It goes back to when I was in high school and in college, I was on the debate team. And I loved the research part. So I have to do the writing because that's what pays the bills. But what drives me forward, what excites me, what energizes me is digging through the bowels of information and finding those nuggets that nobody else has. It's like when I was a little kid. I love show and tell, you know, in first grade. So it's that's kind of what drives it. So I would say it's the research I spend. I take two years between books. I would say of those two years, probably 75% of it is just doing research and then the other 25% is actually the writing process. So I, I don't think I'm a great writer. I think I'm a very good researcher, not a great writer. And I think that's what makes my books a little bit different is the amount of research that goes into that.

[Carol Markowitz]

Them so interesting because for me it's like everything else pays the bills. But I love writing and I can't stop. Like it's, it's the least profit of everything else I do. But I, I can't give it up because I just enjoy it so much. So. Did you always want to be a writer? Did you always want to be a researcher?

[Peter Schweitzer]

A great question. When I was in middle school, I worked on a novel. I actually wanted to be a novelist when I was younger. And then when I joined the debate team I really got into research. But my original goal, honestly when I was in my 20s, was I wanted to work in the White House at the National Security Council. I was a kind of Henry Kissinger wannabe in terms of, you know, a great thinker on strategy and foreign policy. And I, and I did that for a while, but I found that it was kind of constraining. A lot of it had to do with, you know, the connections of who you knew. And I didn't like depending and relying on that. So the writing kind of is something that happened. An agent, literary agent, saw an op ed I had in the New York Times in 1989, said, have you ever thought about writing a book? I said sure. And that's kind of how it happened. So I, I really kind of stumbled onto it. If you told me when I was 20 that you're going to be living in Florida and writing these books, I would have said no way. That's, I'm going to be in Washington D.C. i'm going to be doing things with a think tank. So it was not expected in that way. I'm very grateful to that. I'm thankful to God for that because if I'd planned my life, it probably would not have been good and as rich and rewarding. So yeah, it's been kind of a revelation. I've been very grateful for it, very grateful for the experiences I've had in the book publishing industry and the response to my work, which has taken a long time. I mean, my first bestseller, I didn't have my first bestseller Till I was 40 years old. I had written, I think nine nonfiction books before that. So it was, it was a real, it was a Real grind there. But. But I. I enjoyed it and I'm thankful for it. And what could I say? I'm just. I'm just fortunate.

[Carol Markowitz]

Did you have, like, a plan B in case writing didn't work out? Did you have something else that you kind of had as a backup?

[Peter Schweitzer]

Good question. I. For a while, I thought about being a college professor. I had gone to graduate school at Oxford. I had gotten my mphil International Relations. I thought about staying there and getting a PhD. I decided not to. Then I thought at one point about going back. But, you know, I have friends that are in academia and, you know, that world is completely different given the decline of American universities and whatnot. So, again, I'm fortunate that that hasn't happened. So that was kind of my fallback plan, but I never had to exercise, and it was never very well developed, I think. And I think one of the things, Carol, I realized as I've gotten older is, you know, I'm 60 now. There's so many things that I planned. I'm kind of a planner. And very few of those plans actually worked. I mean, honestly, very few of them actually worked.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah. As the philosopher John Lennon said, life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans. Right. So.

[Peter Schweitzer]

Very true.

[Carol Markowitz]

What would you consider your beat for people who haven't read your books? What would you say is your kind of the line that goes through your books?

[Peter Schweitzer]

I think that I try to explain what I think is really happening. So if you look at my early writing career, I wrote books like Victory, Reagan's War, which were kind of looking at the Cold War and making the case of how Reagan won the Cold War. I used KGB archives, I used declassified government documents. I interviewed people. So that's the first part of my writing career. And then I kind of switched to investigative journalism on, you know, on corruption. So seemingly different. But what I would argue all of them are trying to say is there tends to be a story that. That the mainstream media is push, pushing, that we all kind of latch onto. I mean, a lot of what we do is responding to what the story supposedly is. What I try to do is anticipate and look ahead what the story really should be. And so when I write a book like Red Handed, about, you know, people that are getting enriched with the Chinese, what I'm really trying to say is, yeah, the US China relationship, there's a lot of issues there, but there's something else going on. People are being paid off, so we should be paying attention to this. So that's probably the common thread. But again, I mean, the research is the part that has always driven all of this. And my goal is to really get people to thinking about what's going on below the surface. Because as you know, you're in the news business, you see it all the time. The things that drive the media are oftentimes not really what's going on below the surface. It's more kind of the predictive, easy stuff.

[Carol Markowitz]

Is it surprising to you that the easy stuff is very popular, but your stuff goes deep? It's not just a catchy headline, it's not a, you know, 30 second TikTok video. Is it surprising to you that people enjoy that deep dive and that they're still able to kind of get into it? You know, we, we hear all the time that our attention spans have shrunk and we can't pay attention to anything. And yet here these people are following you down the path that you're taking them and really looking into something in a deep way. Does that surprise you?

[Peter Schweitzer]

It does a little bit. I mean, it is funny, I will tell you. You know, I've had the same editor on the last five books, Eric Nelson, great guy. I've had editors before and I've had friends that have been in the industry for a long time. And, and everybody keeps telling me you need to write shorter chapters precisely for the reason that you mentioned. And so I have tried to make adjustments. You have to look at the reality of where your audience is in terms of their time constraints. There's so many alternative choices they can make. What I always try to think of is there's so much free information out there. I'm asking people to drop down 25, 30 bucks to buy a book. So I gotta really, really, really make it worth it for them and find stuff they can't get anywhere else. So that makes it harder. But yeah, I am very grateful for the audience and, and you know, even though the book industry is kind of struggling right now, I am grateful for people that buy the books that take an interest. And I love to hear from the people that read my books because they oftentimes have, you know, really fascinating insights, takes that really shows they're thinking, they're not just receiving it, they're interacting with the material, which is what I love.

[Carol Markowitz]

But no TikTok videos yet. Maybe someday you would not want to.

[Peter Schweitzer]

See a Peter Schweitzer TikTok video.

[Carol Markowitz]

First of all, totally, totally would want to see a Peter Schweitzer TikTok video.

[Peter Schweitzer]

I think it would be poorly done if I were doing it. And number two, it would be really boring. But I appreciate the encouragement, Carol. Thank you.

[Carol Markowitz]

What are you working on now? Any previews of your next book?

[Peter Schweitzer]

I'm writing a book right now that will come out in January. And authors always say this, but it is true in this case. This is probably my most challenging book. I won't go into detail, but it is about subversion in a way that I think other people have not thought about it. And we've got some, I think, very stunning material on the forces that are working to influence and are influencing our political campaigns, corrupt our, our leadership class, etc. So I'll have to leave it at that. But I'm. This week, actually, Carol, I'm not doing many interviews, but I wanted to do this because we are in fact check legal review mode. And I've got a grumpy guy upstairs who's my fact checker. Great guy, good friend. He's a pain in the butt. So I'm going through that this week and Lord Willie will get through that safely and we'll send it off to the publisher and it'll come out in January. January.

[Carol Markowitz]

Grumpy fact checkers. I feel like that's the only kind of fact checker you can have. If they're too happy, you don't need them, you know. So is fact checking the most nerve wracking kind of part of it?

[Peter Schweitzer]

I would say the most nerve wracking part of it is when you're doing the research and you find something that's really good, but you're trying to figure out what it means. I mean, I'll. I'll give you an example from the past. We first uncovered Hunter Biden's China deals in December of 2016 because we were researching around and we found this picture on Chinese social media. And it was Hunter Biden with basically in China, the equivalent of the head of Goldman Sachs, the Federal Reserve, the Treasury Secretary. I mean, everybody.

[Carol Markowitz]

I remember that. Yeah, the picture.

[Peter Schweitzer]

And you're like, what is what, what is Hunter Biden doing here? How is it connected? And so the most frustrating part is when you find something, you know, it's really, really, really good, but you're trying to make sense of it. And the key thing there is in all good things is just patience.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right.

[Peter Schweitzer]

Just need to look at all the different possibilities. So that's the most frustrating. The fact checking is actually very, very good and necessary, but also relatively easy because everything in my books, there's always a paper trail. There's a corporate record, there's a legal document, there's something that, that supports what you're saying because I don't use anonymous sources or anything like that. But it's just a laborious process, as you can imagine.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right, so the grumpy guy can't get too grumpy because you could prove it all.

[Peter Schweitzer]

Well, he, he is, and I say this with great affection. I've known Steve for a long time. He's a former A10 pilot for the Air Force. So he's very detail oriented, you know, with all the knobs. But he, he, he embraces the grumpiness, Carol. So it's, it's, it's, it's part of him. It's inherent to him. It's not going away.

[Carol Markowitz]

He sounds awesome. Actually, I, he is awesome. I hope he takes this conversation as a compliment. We're going to take a quick break and be right back on the Carol Markowitz Show.

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[Carol Markowitz]

What.

[Peter Schweitzer]

Do you worry about on a personal level? You know, you worry about your kids, you worry about the people you care about. You worry about your country. You, you know, you worry about security. You don't obsess over it. I mean, the nature of the work that we do is something that upsets a lot of people. We had a moment probably four or five months ago where the Taiwan News, which is the main newspaper in Taiwan, it had mentioned my name in an article and it came up on Google alerts. And I thought, what is this all about? And it was how a guy named White Wolf, who's the leader of a criminal gang in China, was being charged with fentanyl trafficking. And the prosecutors cited my book Blood Money as one of the reasons they decided to launch the investigation. So on one level you're excited, but on the other level you're like, you know, now we've pissed off White Wolf, right? Yeah. So you worry about those things. But as I've gotten older, As I said 60, as I've gotten older, I just realize there's just a lot you don't have a control over. And the more you learn that, you know, for me it's a bit. It's about trusting God. Not doing things foolish, but trusting God, but realizing you can't control those things. All you can do is not be foolish. And it's the same thing with, you know, when you worry about your kids or you worried about people in your life, you know, try to be there for them and love them. But I've stepped back from hopefully from really, you know, always worrying about and obsessing about it. And that's been really nice. People tell me when you get older, you get into your 60s, that gets better. It certainly has been for me so far, so I'm grateful for that. But I, I worry about those kinds of things pretty regularly.

[Carol Markowitz]

The security question is really interesting. I think people don't think about it, about how writing books or writing anything, writing on, on current event topics and how dangerous it could be and how you could piss off the wrong white wolf. You know, during the Obama administration, I mean, I was born in the Soviet Union. My mom, you know, definitely was like, do you have to criticize the president? I feel like you're going to get into trouble. So there's. And that's not even a Chinese mobster, you know.

[Peter Schweitzer]

Yeah, no, it's real. And you know, look, I live in a place where it's a little bit less marked, but you know, you think of people that live in Washington D.C. or New York or California or places where there's more, more hostile, let's say people living around you or if you're writing on particular issues. I know there have been, there's a lot of threats made of people who, who raise challenges and I think rightfully so on the, on the trans issue and women's in sports, it gets very vicious and nasty. And so it is a real concern. It should be a real concern. And you know, my philosophy is you just use unconventional ways, you know, to, to, to float below the radar, so to speak. I won't go into those. And you know, we all have concealed carry permits at my office and you.

[Carol Markowitz]

Just live in Florida. We don't even have to have permits.

[Peter Schweitzer]

Exactly right, we don't. And although I, the reason I like mine is if I buy a gun, I can get it immediately, right. From the, from the, from the gun store. If you don't have the, the license, you have to wait, I think two days for a handgun in Florida.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right.

[Peter Schweitzer]

But yeah, no, you're exactly right. So yeah, that's, that's the you can do, I think is, you know, be prepared and, but not obsess over. You can't live, live your life around it.

[Carol Markowitz]

Absolutely. I was going to make the Simpsons joke about the two day wait like, but I'm angry now. I got threats in Brooklyn. I had people come to my house, but living in Florida has definitely made me a lot more secure. And it is the gun laws and all of that obviously helps, but just living in a saner place also helps quite a bit.

[Peter Schweitzer]

Yes, I'm glad for you. That's great news.

[Carol Markowitz]

What advice would you give your 16 year old self? Having to do this all over again. What does 16 year old Peter need to know? Was he a good kid? Was he chapel maker?

[Peter Schweitzer]

He was a very good kid. My mom is still living, she's 911 and she said, yeah, I never really worried about you. I figured you always would kind of, you know, I was so. I was a very good kid. I would say, you know, I, I made a lot of plans, Carol, that, that I focused on, on, I obsessed on. And I became really frustrated when those plans didn't pan out. And looking back now I'm like, right, come on man, what are you talking about? You know, making a plan at 21 years old and the world doesn't conform to it, it, you know, so the first thing I would say is, is don't, don't try to plan out your life. I think there is a plan for your life. I think God has a plan for everybody's life. But it's not up for you to determine. And part of it is going through and realizing A, what you're good at and B, what you really are knit together to do temperamentally again. When I was 16, 17, I was the guy who was hanging out with everybody, doing things, doing events. If you told me at that time you're going to be spending hundreds of hours hunched over a word processor writing books by yourself, I'd be like, you're out of your freaking mind. That's terrible. And that's what I ended up doing. But I didn't know that at that age. So the first thing I would say is don't plan things. You don't know, know what the future holds. But the second thing I would say, and I would imagine this is probably your experience too, Carol, because you have really climbed in this field, is hard work is worth it. It's hard work. I mean, if you want to be good at something, if you want to rise, it's hard work. And I liked hard working out when I was young. But I think it, I thought it was a little bit more things would just kind of happen, happen. And there's no substitute for hard work and it's immensely rewarding. I don't think I'm ever going to retire. I just enjoy what I do. I feel the value of it. The Merit of it. So that's what I would say. Don't. Don't plan so much and learn that the hard work is really worth it.

[Carol Markowitz]

Do you give the same advice to your kids or are they different kind of teenagers? Were they different?

[Peter Schweitzer]

They're different. My kids are all in their 20s now, and I think that, yeah, we do. They're not interested in the same things that I am in terms of politics and journalism and whatnot, which is perfectly fine. I mean, honestly, Carol, as you know, it's kind of a nutty thing that you and I do.

[Carol Markowitz]

It's crazy. Why do we do.

[Peter Schweitzer]

Is absolutely crazy. So. So, yeah, I think I would like to think that they are finding their way and moving their way, you know, to independence and heeding that kind of advice. The, the hard work thing is something I tell, you know, my kids. I tell the interns that are here. I said, look, what's going to determine your success here? And whatever you do is sure, you got to be smart. Okay? If you're, if you're not really bright, you're not paying attention, right, you're going to have problems. But the thing that's going to make up for an abundance of problems elsewhere is going to be hard work. And that is something that I think. You know, maybe I don't want to sound like the old grumpy man, but maybe I am. You know, I don't know if the younger generation quite gets it. My dad said the same thing about my gener, so I'm excited about that one.

[Carol Markowitz]

Every generation that comes after us is a little lazier than us, right?

[Peter Schweitzer]

Exactly.

[Carol Markowitz]

Or maybe we just think that way. Well, I've loved this conversation. I always, you know, whenever I run into you at a party or something, I always leave kind of laughing and smiling. I think you're just a fantastic person and so interesting. Leave us here with your best tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives.

[Peter Schweitzer]

Best way you can improve your life is, I think, realize ultimately what's going on in your life is not about you. I believe you were created for a purpose. It's larger than you. And the more that you obsess and focus on yourself and your needs, there aren't. I'm not saying there aren't legitimate things there. You don't want people abusing you. You don't want to be ignored. But if you make your life so much about yourself and about your needs, you. You are always going to be disappointed. So think of something larger, more significant, more important, that you can be part of and how you can make a difference and I think that's going to give you joy and happiness. That has certainly been my experience and I have, I've been there where I made it about myself. So I know exactly how that works, how it's like and how it ultimately does not lead to satisfaction.

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[Carol Markowitz]

Thank you so much for coming on. He is Peter Schweitzer. Check out his amazing books. We can't wait to read your new one in January. Thank you Peter.

[Peter Schweitzer]

Always fun. Thanks Carol.

[Carol Markowitz]

Ah, come on. Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

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