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Carol Markowitz
Hi and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz show on iHeartradio. The Carol Markowitz show now airs Wednesdays and Fridays so you can get this non political podcast, the Carol Markowitz show on Wednesday and Friday and then normally the political podcast. I co host with Mary Kathryn Ham every Tuesday and Thursday. The only day you don't get me is Mondays. This is my final episode of 2024 and I'll keep the monologue short. The new year is always a good time to take stock and think about things you can do better. I know I definitely do that. If you've listened to me for a while, you know that the things I strive to do better in my own life include reading more fiction books, spending less time online, cultivating more friendships, considering working out someday, the usual. We've gotten so many great pieces of advice from guests this year and a lot of them are on these same themes. Because it turns out that better living isn't much of a mystery. It's doing a few things for yourself that will improve your life. I got this note a few months ago that has stayed with me and I wanted to talk about it on this year end episode because I wasn't really sure how to answer it. Hi Carol, Love the show. I'm one of those people who can't get over the COVID years. I'm still angry about what was done to us. How do you let go of that anger? Ha ha. How do I let go of that anger? I haven't. It's still just under the surface. Honestly, I feel a lot better since we moved to Florida nearly three years ago now. But I had to change my whole life to give my kids what I would consider a normal life. I'm so happy here. I'm so grateful. I drive around smiling. But I am still bitter that I was forced to leave the life that I thought I'd live. A theme in a lot of the notes and comments I got this year are people struggling for a sense of control. The last few years have seemed very out of control. The pandemic time specifically, and people are trying to get a handle on their lives again. I'll tell you, I've seen optimism since the election and I love it. I also feel optimistic, but of course it's going to take more than one presidential election to turn things around, especially in your own life. I would say that step one is getting that sense of control and we have to accept that it will take some time. Step two A little harder. It's growing from the experience. Look, I'm still angry too. I get you, but I think about all the things that I'll never fall for again. Think about how much clearer you must see the world after kind of going through an experience like that. Focus on the positive and hey, maybe in the next year we'll talk more about how to get over things. I'd love to learn how. I've loved our conversations on the Carol Markowitz show so much and I particularly love these notes and these comments. I love hearing from listeners. I love hearing who you are and what you worry about. Drop me an email anytime. Carolmarkowitzshowmail.com It's K A R O L M A R K O W I C as in Charlie's. Zeasandzebrashowmail.com Thanks for listening. Coming up, my interview with Scott Jennings. But first, protecting our families and homes is essential. But are we truly prepared? Break ins happen every 25 seconds. Even with a security system, can it really keep intruders out? Layer your defenses to buy yourself time. Start with Saber Driveway Alerts to know when someone's approaching, paired with floodlights to deter them. Sabre's door security bars reinforce your front and back doors, stopping up to 650 pounds of force to secure entry points even when you're not home. And if you are home, many invasions happen at night. Sabre's Home Defense launcher is the ultimate choice to protect yourself and family. Sabre projectiles hit hard, causing intense pain and can still be effective even if you miss as intruders within the six foot pepper cloud experience sensory irritation. Plus, Sabre's home defense launcher is the only 68 caliber launcher with a 7 projectile capacity, offering up to 40% more shots than others. Stay secure day or night with Sabre's Solutions. Visit sabrerradio.com that's S A B R E radio.com or call 844-824 safetoday to protect what matters most.
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Scott Jennings
Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz show on iheartradio. My guest today is Scott Jennings. Scott is a senior political commentator at CNN and partner at Run Switch Public Relations in Kentucky. Hi, Scott. So nice to have you on.
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Love this opportunity. I'm a huge fan of yours and was flattered that you asked.
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Thank you, man. I'm a huge fan of yours and so excited that you're here. So this is a show about living better, improving your life, but also about how you got to where you are. So I have to ask, when you were a little boy, did you dream of being in a five against one situation every night on TV where everybody's yelling at you?
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I did, but I thought it would be in professional wrestling, not in political punditry. There's not a huge amount of difference. Yeah, I mean, I've got my whole Hulkamania shirt on, you know, wrestling. When I was a kid, I loved wrestling, but I was, you know, Hulk Hogan was my hero, but I was always a little drawn to the heels and the wrestling promotions. You know, I love the iron chic. Yeah, he was one of Hulk Hogan's greatest foes. You know, these, these people who really, in the business, they call it bringing the heat like they generate heat. And so now here I am later in life generating heat on, on CNN and similar kinds of battle royales. No, I, when I was a kid, I, I didn't really know what I wanted to do. You know, my grandfather, actually my father were Democrats and my grandfather was a Democrat elected official. So I had some attraction to politics as a kid. I sort of became a Republican in high school when Newt Gingrich became Speaker of the House. I felt close to the Republicans. I Liked what they were saying. And I voted in the 1996 Republican presidential primary, which caused a great stir in Dawson Springs, Kentucky, where I'm from, among all the people there, because back in those days, it was a Democrat territory down there.
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So they knew you voted in the Republican primary. That's the.
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Well, it's a closed, it's a closed primary. And so when you go down to the, to vote in one of our three precincts, there's lists. And so they've got a big book of Democrats and one sheet of Republicans. And that lady who was taking the names, she said, does your grandfather know what you've done?
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I love that.
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I said, I don't think it's supposed to, you're not supposed to intimidate people at the polls. You know, like that's, that's long since been outlawed. But anyway, I, I, you know, I wasn't sure what to do. I, I happened to upon a scholarship program at the University of Louisville called the McConnell Scholars, started by Mitch McConnell. He doesn't pick the scholars and he doesn't run the program, but he raised all this money to have a scholarship program for, for high school students in Kentucky. Full ride to the University of Louisville. They picked 10 kids a year, and they picked kids who are kind of interested in public service. And so that's how I got into college. I mean, my dad was a garbage man and a factory worker. I mean, I didn't have anything. And so getting this scholarship and then being oriented towards public service and public affairs is kind of, you know, it's kind of how I got the ball rolling. And then when I was in college, I was a reporter. I was a news anchor and a reporter for WHAS Radio in Louisville, Kentucky, for four years. I spent more time in the radio booth than I did in the classroom. Apologies to my professors who passed me anyway, but. And so if there was a period, Carol, where I thought I was going to be a journalist, right? And then, then the 2000 campaign came.
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Along, and then you joined the George W. Bush campaign then. And so tell us about that. How was it?
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It was amazing experience. I was in the news business and really had a great experience. You make no money in radio, but it is fun, and I loved it. But in 2000, as I was preparing to graduate from Louisville, Mitch McConnell actually called me one day. I struck up a relationship with him throughout my college time. And he said something I'll never forget, which was, when are you going to get off the sidelines and get into the game? And you know, he was recruiting. Well, I've got. Believe me, I could do the whole show this way. But he. He was recruiting me to work in politics, and I hadn't really thought of it because I really was sort of focused on journalism and broadcasting. But, you know, it was too good of an opportunity to pass up. So I went to work on a presidential campaign for George W. Bush. I was on the campaign in Kentucky, and. And then we spent a little time in West Virginia. At the end of that campaign. People forget Kentucky and West Virginia. In that area, it was still Democrat territory. In fact, Bill Clinton won Kentucky twice, and no Republican had won West Virginia. And I don't know how long. And so that's how I got into it. And that presidential campaign was magical because we won. And obviously the aftermath of 2000 and living through that whole period. I worked on the Presidential inaugural committee. I was on the opening ceremonies, which was at the Lincoln Memorial. And I had one important task. I had to find every porta potty on the Eastern seaboard and have it shipped to the Lincoln Memorial. This took me a full 30 days to pull off, or 20 days, I guess. Yes. I still to this day believe it. Had I not done my job, this would have been a disaster of an inaugural, but believe me, there were plenty of places to go.
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Well, I think you did a fantastic job because we hadn't heard anything about the lack of porto potties at that inauguration, but. So you're such a happy warrior. You're just always in such a, like, you know, it appears to be a really good mood, even though, again, everyone's yelling at you and you're arguing. How do you maintain that? How do you stay kind of happy?
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I. Well, I tell people that in this job, you can't take any of it personally. And you have to also understand people. And I'm like this, too, you know, I. I also have an emotional attachment to what I think is best for the country. But you can't let that affect how you converse with or treat other people. And you do see people sometimes in these debates get overheated or. And look, I'm guilty of it. You know, there's been a time or two where I've gotten a little unhappy with the way somebody approached me on an issue or. You know, my least favorite thing is when you say something factually correct or you say something where you have an opinion that is fully grounded in facts, and the immediate retort is, oh, you're just lying, or Scott doesn't tell the truth, when you know that you are. And it. So I don't mind to be disagreed with. What I don't like is to have my name besmirched by calling me a liar. I'm not a liar. I approach this job like a journalist. I don't tend to deal in things that I don't believe are facts, factual statements, and honest statements. But I just. I just try to remember, don't take it personally, and I put myself in the position of the audience. If I were watching two people debate an issue, would I rather watch two people scream at each other, who hate each other, or do I want to believe that it's possible for people with differing ideas to have civil discourse, maybe a little humorous, and you can laugh at yourself a little bit and not ultimately take it so personally that it sort of destroys the conversation.
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So one of the things you get a lot of credit for is for having these conversations with people on the left. But I think one thing that goes kind of unnoticed about you is that you also straddle basically the entire right. Like, everybody on the right is a Scott Jennings fan, whether they're, you know, I don't know. I don't even know what the terms are anymore. But basically, how does a guy who worked for George W. Bush also be the guy who was considered the MAGA representative on television? How do you do both?
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Well, I. I think there is a through line from my career working for Bush, McConnell, Romney, Trump. Yes, they're all very different. Yes, they all, you know, had different ideas on policy and whatever. But I'll tell you, I think there are also some similarities in these people. They're all conservatives. They all believe in the future of Western civilization. I think they all fundamentally, in their own way and in their own time, were effectively a bulwark against the excesses of the left. I mean, in every iteration of my career, you know, there were always people on the left who were doing things that I thought were fundamentally bad for the country because they believe the country was rotten at its core. I mean, that's the thing about politics is, you know, we have two parties, and. And you can love George W. Bush and you can love Donald Trump, because in their own time, they were both fighting against people who, I think fundamentally thought the United States was rotten. They thought our founders were rotten, or they thought the founding principles or our founding documents were wrong. Somehow, I don't agree with any of that. And so I have no trouble supporting Donald Trump today as much as I had no trouble working for and supporting George W. Bush or Mitch McConnell. Before, because I see this as a battle of ideas. And I think there's no politician I agree with 100% of the time, but I think 90, 95, 98% of the time Donald Trump's going to do what I want, and 0% of the time Joe Biden did what I want, or Kamala Harris would do what I want, or anyone on the left, you know, aoc, you name your, your Democrat du jour, they're never going to do anything that I want because I think they fundamentally view the country differently than I do. So my through line is I'm here to defend Western civilization and give a voice to half or more than half of the country that basically stands for common sense. And that's how I see the Republican Party. We're the party of common sense. The Democrats are the party of uncommon nonsense. And I have no trouble drawing that line.
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Such a sane position, like I, you really just don't hear that from anybody. So are you going to run for office? Is this where you come to make your announcement?
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No, well, no, not today. I haven't ruled it out. I wouldn't mind running. You know, my grandfather was an elected official and, and it was a local office, but I rather enjoyed watching him run. And my father was a local official in our small town of Dawson Springs. So I have some low, you know, sort of a familial connection to it. And I've worked on a lot of campaigns. I haven't ruled it out. It is of interest to me. Yeah, I don't, I don't know when that will be. Could be soon, could be far. But I think what I'm doing right now is actually really important. And I, I, I'm very happy with this job I have on cnn because I think sometimes conservatives, middle America people, rural people, I'm a rural person and I still live in Kentucky. I think there's a whole bucket of people in this country who often feel like their views and their point of view and their people with their background just aren't represented in media and they don't have a voice. Like, they don't have someone who's analyzing the world the way they would. So this mission I'm on is to give that group of people a voice and a defense of their values and their views every single day. And although I think running for office is very noble and I might do it in the future, I think what I'm doing right now is also really important. And I actually think the election results in 2024 were sort of A revenge of this group of people who just kind of got tired of all the narratives and all the things they were being told that they knew fundamentally were not true, and they just sort of struck back against it and said, we're not buying it anymore.
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Yeah. I think one of the more important things that you've kind of got across on CNN is that there's no such thing as my truth or your truth. Like, I think that's a giant step forward for the network, for people watching to understand that there's no such thing as, you know, my truth or your truth. Do you? I feel like that's a crusade that you're definitely on. Would you agree?
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Well, I. I just. I feel like in our political culture, in our. Well, just in our culture, period, we are playing strange games with language. Things no longer mean what we. What they used to mean, and I just. I can't stand it. I mean, honestly, this is one of the reasons I think Donald Trump is successful. He doesn't play the Pablum game. He doesn't give in to the reordering of language. He kind of talks and sounds like, you know, most people that, you know or, you know, most New Yorkers that, you know, he doesn't give in to people who are trying to give new definitions to words and this idea that there can be multiple versions of the truth or, you know, we were debating the. The Caitlin Clark situation the other night, and, you know, she sort of gave into it. I'm sure a PR person told her, hey, in order to get all these people to like you, you're gonna have to talk the way they talk. And I. I think I said at the time, she's gonna learn a hard lesson. You can never. There's never. It's never enough. Never enough. You can never. And then what happened? The next day, she's. She gets an amazing award, Athlete of the year. She then grovels for forgiveness from the league, which she is carrying on her back. And the very next day, the owner of the Mystics said, well, they should have put the whole WNBA on the magazine. They hate Caitlin Clark. It's the dumbest business thing of all time. And no matter how much my truth, your truth, lived, experience, whatever, it's never enough. So my view is most people feel that way, and people are kind of tired of having their language reordered. And I just kind of want to stand up for, you know, clarity and speech, I guess.
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Yeah. Caitlin Clark will learn the circular firing squad. Never misses it. Never misses. And when you're in it you're in it. What do you, what do you worry about?
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Well, I worry about the future of Western civilization. I mean, it's, it's. I think there are a lot of people who would love to turn it upside down, rip it out root and branch and do something else. And a lot of them are in the United States of America and a lot of them are involved in politics in our country. I worry about this whole group of young leftist radicals that we see on college campuses and in the streets of major cities, rampaging around, tearing down the signs, the posters of the hostages in the Middle east flying, you know, Hezbollah and Hamas colors while they do it. Burning the American flag in front of Union station in Washington D.C. i see this whole generation of young left radicals who clearly hate the United States. They don't love this country. They don't love sort of the foundations of Western civilization that we've ordered our entire society and culture on. I worry about it a lot and, and I think people have to stand up and realize that we're not just simply debating tax policy or trade policy today. We're debating the future of Western civilization. So I worry frankly about losing that debate. And I worry about sort of the direction of culture and society, not just American government, although I think American government is very determinative in that. So that's, that's one thing I worry about a lot. That's a macro worry. My micro worry is that my four kids, you know, have a country to grow up in where they can achieve. Where they can achieve. You know, they, they're all different. They're all going to do different things. But I worry about them having better opportunities than I had. That's the American dream. Give your kids better opportunities than you had. So that's my micro worry at home is just, are these kids going to have the same or better opportunities than I had? Those are probably the two things I worry about the most.
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How old are they?
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15? 11? 9 and 7. They're all boys.
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Boys. Nice.
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Yep. A lot of destruction in the Jennings household.
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Scott Jennings
So what advice would you give Scott Jennings at 16 years old? I guess it sort of would translate I guess also to what advice you're going to give your boys.
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Well I'll tell you one piece of advice I would give myself is learn about health and nutrition at an earlier age. I was probably 30 something years old before I ever really understood the relationship between what you're eating, how much you're eating and how it makes you feel, how it makes you look, your body and, and you know, I've struggled with that for a big chunk of my life. Later in life I've kind of learned about it and I, you know, I feel great now I'm 47 years old now I, you know, but I, I didn't know anything about this, I didn't learn anything about this until I was well into adulthood. So one thing I would tell myself is get better educated about about this rule which is what you eat and how Much you eat, and when you eat is really determinative in your overall health. And I'm thankful that I have learned about it now. But I. I sometimes think, God, I was so stupid. Like, I was. I mean, I just. I never even crossed my mind what I was doing. And so anyway, that's. That's one thing I think about all the time. How many years did I struggle with this? It was really just due to a lack of knowledge, honestly.
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But was it you not knowing, or do you feel like everybody kind of didn't know? I think there's so many. So much new information and just generally a change in perspective about health policy and, you know, all of it.
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Yeah. I don't blame anyone, and I don't kick myself over it, but you asked me if I could go back in time.
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Yeah.
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And wave a magic wand. I would give everybody the knowledge. I mean, and I. I just. I don't know. It's so, like, your health is so determinative of how you feel about everything else in your life. And. And I just. I don't know. I feel. I feel better today than I've ever felt. That's great. And so. And I agree with you. We have more knowledge about it now. I. Honestly, I think this is one of the appeals of rfk. Truthfully, I. Look, I don't. He has said things in his career that I fundamentally disagree with. I mean, I'm old enough to remember when he was accusing people like me in 2004 of, like, you know, rigging the voting machines in Ohio to steal the election for George W. Bush and changing the weather. Yes, but. But I'll tell you one thing. He's on to this whole Make America Healthy Again, the idea of learning a little bit more about what we eat, what's in our food, you know, what. What could we do as a society if we improve that? He's on to something, and that's part of the reason people are drawn to him. I. I get it. Again, I. Yeah, I don't endorse everything he has ever said or worked on, but some of this is a real thing. And. And I think a lot of Americans, honestly, are waking up to it.
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I've noticed you wear the yellow ribbon on tv. What is that about?
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Well, I wear it because of the hostages that are being held in Gaza. I've been wearing it since right after October. October 7th. I think that most Americans are outraged and horrified by what happened on October 7. But I also think that the people who are trying to rationalize it or Maybe even say, well, hey, maybe this wasn't such a bad idea. Are overrepresented in our political discourse. And so I started wearing the yellow ribbon because I wanted people to know there's at least one person who is thinking about those hostages and thinking about, can I tell the difference between right and wrong? This is one of those things where, like, clarity matters. And what happened on October 7 was wrong. The people who did it are wrong. The fact that they took hostages is wrong. And the fact that we still have Americans being held there makes my blood boil. I think we've had a weak presidency on this front. And I really am grateful for what Donald Trump has said in the last few days, which is, if you don't send my people home, there's going to be hell to pay. Imagine if you had a president that was that clear over the last year. And so I wear that because I just want to. I just want to show the colors of people. For people who have lost loved ones in this attack, who are mourning, who still know people that are hostages there. But also broader than that, I, again, I view. I view this point as a fundamental flashpoint in the fight for the future of Western civilization. And I think the relationship between the United States and Israel is one of the most important relationships we have as a nation. And I'm going to unabashedly and unapologetically support it for as long as I'm on television.
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I love it. I think that's so brave and bold, but so clear of you. I just. I think you're just the best. Thank you. Thank you for doing it.
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Well, you're very welcome. And I just. This whole idea, I feel like the world has gone crazy. How can we. How is it so hard for people to tell the difference between right and wrong? These people flew in, murdered people, raped women, tortured people. I mean, this is the most barbaric thing you can do to other human beings. They didn't even treat them like human beings. They treated them like animals or something. Less than that. And we're out here, we got people out here like, well, I don't know, if you were oppressed, maybe you would do it, too, like this.
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Carol Markowitz
No, No, I wouldn't.
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Scott Jennings
So. Of course. And so, you know, when you. When you think about, well, look, look out, look online. I mean, the discourse around this among particularly young people and how they kind of got indoctrinated with the idea that Israel is the bad guy here and somehow it was okay for this side or, or even they were told what you were told about October 7th didn't really happen. It just, it drives me crazy. And so why can't we just clearly state what's right and wrong and stand up for what's true? And what's true here is these folks absolutely terrorize their fellow human beings and they deserve everything they're getting from Israel, in my opinion.
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You're absolutely right. This has been such an amazing conversation. Scott, I think you're just such a fantastic person. I love watching you on tv. I think you're doing an amazing job. End us here with your best tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives.
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Gosh. Best tip on how to improve your life. You know, I used to be a golfer. I don't get to golf much anymore. But one thing I learned in golf is you can never worry about the last shot. You can only ever hit the next shot. And I think a lot of people in life spend more time worrying about what happened yesterday than what they might be able to do tomorrow. And if I had any tip, it's the last shot is over. Hit the next shot, hit it on the green, hit it close to the hole and you'll feel a whole lot better.
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I love that. Come golf in South Florida. We've got lots of courses here.
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I would, I would love to come to South Florida. I've been spending most of my time in cold and somewhat dreary New York lately. So South Florida sounds a lot better.
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I think you should come down. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Scott Jennings. Check him out on cnn. He's the guy arguing with five people every night on tv. He's just wonderful. Thank you, Scott.
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Thanks Carol. You're one of my favorites. I appreciate you.
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Carol Markowitz
Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Markowitz Show. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.
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