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The MAGA Split Explained: From Trump's Golden Escalator To The Epstein Coverup
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David Rutherford
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That's Morton buildings.com Epstein endless wars land for sale the MAGA split is real. This is the David Rutherford Show. What's up everybody? It's pretty awesome to be back. I just. Man, I had a hell of a July 4th weekend. Went up to the Nashville area, got to spend some time with my best friend and his family. Had a great time. But while I was gone some, we have some monster news to cover. And that monster news is that our very own executive producer, Mr. Jordy Long had his first child. So I want to wish him the best along with all the audience and just say, jordy, we're so stoked for for you and your wife and now your beautiful daughter. Brother, how does it feel being a dad?
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Jordy Long
Dude, it is amazing. Everyone's healthy. That's what I care about. Baby and mom are good. Everyone's here and doing great. Sleep deprived, but don't even really care. It's awesome. And yeah, man, that's people were right. Nothing compares.
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David Rutherford
Well, I'm so stoked for you. I think you're going to just be. It's just going to be the greatest experience. There's nothing better in the world than, than being, you know, married to the right person, having beautiful, wonderful kids that keep you on your toes and keep you young and then it just gives you true meaning in this life. And I know as a man of faith like me, you're going to do an amazing job as a dad and a husband. So congratulations, buddy.
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Jordy Long
Thank you, sir. I'm so stoked. I'm so stoked. It's the best.
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David Rutherford
Well, you know what else went on this weekend, Jordy, was while I was enjoying myself in Nashville with my family, while you were having your first baby, the DOJ decided to Drop a little dose of. I don't even know what to call this. But basically they released a memo on Sunday, you know, Sunday afternoon, holiday weekend, and they release a memo that came out and they profess that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. There was no list of clientele and that there was no international blackmail scheme going on. And as a result of that, I think it kind of really exacerbated what I believe had already been kind of percolating across the MAGA movement. Movement, which was leading to where I now 100% believe there is a fundamental split in the MAGA party, the MAGA movement, the MAGA coalition, whatever you want to call it. There is a very significant fissure in this entire thing. Right. And the challenge, I believe, for us who are part of that MAGA movement is how do we evaluate this? Because one of the things that I felt was really unique to us is the long process that we all got to that got us to this place. Right. And a lot of people say, well, you know, it began this summer with Trump's assassination attack. That was attempt. That was the ultra unification of this emerging party. You know, I disagree wholeheartedly. There's a group of people that I think really came out of the woodwork after the 2020 election fiasco that was a part. Yep. Then there are the loyalists, the die hard loyalists that go all the way back to Russiagate and the recognition of that internal. And we just saw what we just said. We just saw the DOJ and the FBI announce there's an investigation going into Comey Brennan and potentially Clapper, who were the head of the intelligence agencies. I'd like to see Chris Wright thrown in there for sure. He was a part of this. And you know that. You know, and then a lot of other people believe that it was the moment that Trump came down the escalator in June of 16 while when he really initiated his run. But what a lot of people don't realize is that. And when do you think, Jordy, when do you think Trump trademarked the motto Make America great Again?
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Jordy Long
I think it was after he announced. So I think it was post elevator. Was it wrong 2015, then 2012 is.
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David Rutherford
When Trump trademarked that slogan and it was a direct result of Mitt Romney's kind of ineffectual run against Obama in the 2012 presidential run. And so a lot of people believe, all right, that that's where it got its start. But I disagree because what I wanted to really understand, to help like I want to do like Jordi and I want to do on this show is we want to contextualize and give a greater context to the magnitude of what's taking place in the moment. And the only way you do that is if you go back and you evaluate the sequence of events that took place. So what I believe what really initiated this was I think there was a consensus probably around 2008 or 9, that that something was not on the up and up. And in particular, there were two major places that I believe this took place. One in particular was the war in Iraq. And what was taking place. We had already learned so much about weapons of mass destruction, them not being there. And what was really fascinating recently there was a gentle named Scott Horton who went on the Tucker Carlson show and he wrote a book called Provoked that's phenomenal. And what he talks about is he lays out the exactitude of the sequence which led us up into the Iraq war amongst our current what's going on in the Middle east and what has taken place over the last 40 plus years. And what's interesting is a lot of the reason for going against Iraq had really nothing to do with Iraq and mostly to do with Iran and a bunch of other kind of neocons in the, you know, one in the Reagan administration, then George Sr. And then certainly in the Clinton administration. And it's a great episode to listen to if you want to understand or buy that book. And there's a lot more to it. And I think American, both right and left, really began to realize that, hey, this is ridiculous. Why are we still, we're spending trillions of dollars, we're losing American life for what? What is going to be the outcome? And I think that began to percolate that in particular, you saw that with GWOT veterans starting to be a little bit perturbed as to what was the plan, what's the plan? What is the outcome we're going for not only in Iraq, but Afghanistan and all the other initiatives or strategic initiatives within the gwat. And that's that I think that on the right is a core place to begin to see where kind of the lack of confidence in the government was going on the other side. After Obama had been elected in 08, you had the economic collapse that had taken place too. And this was something that I also believe touched both sides, both left and right.
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Jordy Long
Why?
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David Rutherford
Because we saw an economic collapse that was a direct result of the financial system essentially giving subprime loans to everybody and their brother. Right. The Big Short, the movie. Did you see that movie, Jordy?
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Jordy Long
The Big Short I love that movie. And it was not just, I have to say, it wasn't just a financial system. It was a financial system enabled by government policies meant to help people, quote unquote.
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David Rutherford
And, and do you know what those government policies were?
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Jordy Long
It was all related to the mortgages. Make it really easy. You know, every American needs that American dream. Needs, needs a house. Let's get them all in.
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David Rutherford
George Bush, Right? It was. And it was like, let's get every single American in a house. That's what we're going to do. So that was in a Republican initiative, but was also supported. Right. You had the Dodd Frank bill and a bunch of other things. You know, they had. And all these other things. Well, anyways, 08, the collapse happens. Now, what took place immediately after that, the American people began to see that guess who's getting bailed out, right? The mega corporations. Right. All of these organizations received a tremendous amount of support from the US Government. And we heard the phrase, what? Too big to fail. Right. So now you've got something going on overseas and then endless wars in the Middle east, right. Exacerbating shooting our budget through the roof. You've got this massive bailout. And do you, do you know what the, the, the number was? Did you find that number, Jordy, on how much if bailout money took place in that?
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Jordy Long
I sure did. So the number just. Bottom line between the main. The main program for 08 was TARP. TARP. That was about 7 in the 700 billion mark around there. There's another program called ARRA. Combined congressional spending was about $1.5 trillion. Now this doesn't get into QE that happened all through the 2010s, but if you just want to look. Which was related to it. Definitely related. But if you want to look at just the acute spending to address a national, quote, unquote crisis, and then in an emergency, it was about 1.5 trillion.
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David Rutherford
It wasn't just national, it wasn't just. This was an international. They believed that if they didn't spend that money to support the car industry, the banking industry, all these people that had utterly leveraged the positions to the expense of the American taxpayer. Right. Ultimately, everybody was like, if we don't save the American financial infrastructure, then the entire world's gonna go into a catastrophic recession, that there are millions and millions of people are gonna die. There's gonna be chaos everywhere.
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Jordy Long
They may have been right with the system, the system that they've set up with the Federal Reserve, central banking, all of that. How, you know, don't even get into the petrodollar and all that. Right. They, it was interconnected. It would have been a bad thing. But it's kind of like, you know, the, the arson, who's the fire? The arson, who's the firefighter? You're like, yeah, it would have been a problem, but it's because of the policies and the systems that we've built in America.
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David Rutherford
I completely agree with that analysis. That's great. And you mentioned qe, if you're not familiar with qe, it's called quantitative easing, which basically the Fed. Yeah, such a, basically the Fed said we're going to give free money away with almost zero interest rates in order to bring this back, get all this going. And if you really want to dig into this, there's a guy that I follow on X, his name is Brian Westbury. He's one of the top economists in the game out there. You can find him on Fox Business all the time. A brilliant guy. But that guy is able to summarize the Fed better than anybody else I've ever heard and seen. And one of his big focuses was their quantitative easing, positive QE policy and how that got us to where we are today. So check him out online. All right, so you have the endless wars in the Middle East. You have the government bailing out Wall street and big corporations, right. That comes together as a result of that. You saw two unique initiatives or reactions to that on a political level. One was the Tea Party, which was much more significant and much more well funded by the Koch brothers, by the way, and then really kind of propped up. Rush Limbaugh really got behind the idea of this and the whole thing was like, hey man, we cannot let the government go rampant on this type of spending anymore. They're going to destroy our economy. A real libertarian mentality. And if you really want to go back and really understand that, suggest you look at some of Ron Paul, Rand Paul's old work. Really amazing stuff during that time. But tangentially to that, you had the Occupy Wall street emerge. And this was really my belief in terms of, you know, the people who began to realize, hey, this American dream you're promising is not really accessible to me when I just, I have, you know, $300,000 in student loans coming in at low end. Tech has taken over. I don't know how to code. I just got my degree in international basket weaving and applied, you know, Middle Eastern dance, whatever it is, and that it's not accessible for me to go and do this. So you saw this Occupy Wall street movement take place. So in my mind, what you had in from basically 2008 to 2000, I would say 1415, is you had these rumblings taking place across the American public and you had this building concentration of, hey, this is horseshit, man. We need to start taking care of ourselves. We're spending billions of dollars overseas to help other people. We're also spending billions, billions of dollars overseas to wage endless wars and the war against an adjective. Right? And the American people are getting fed up. And they're getting fed up not with just the right, but with the left as well. Too.
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Jordy Long
Now country too, for the, the bankers and the financiers who got away scot free with all of this.
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David Rutherford
That's right. Right. What, what, one dude went, went to jail for that whole thing? I think, yeah, I think it was.
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Jordy Long
Like one dude and they got him on something, some obscure charge, but which. Right. It's a slap in the face, essentially.
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David Rutherford
Well, that's exactly what it is. It's all of this when you can have one of the greatest financial catastrophes ever and nobody gets in trouble, nobody gets fired, nobody gets whatever. And the same thing is true for the Iraq war, right? That whole thing was a lie to the American people from the get go, from the beginning, a complete and utter lie to the American people. And guess what? Nobody went, nobody got reprimanded, nobody got in trouble, nobody went to jail, nobody went for trees. Nothing, Nothing happened. So now you have these two major cataclysmic events, right, that people are seeing, young people in particular, right? The millennial generation that's coming up. They're in high school, they're in college during this whole thing and they're seeing. Well, that's what I'm, I'm thinking. For me, I was, I was kind of on the other end of that, right? I was, I was in my 30s when this was taking place. I was still working for the government, right, Essentially as a contractor then for the agency during the midst of all this. So man, I, I was, I'm not gonna lie, I was, think I was pretty inept on, on connecting the dots. All I wanted to do was go overseas and carry that gun and try and hoo ya, support America. I didn't care how it, what it looked like or what it did, what I did, but the, the, the people that were here, your generation, we're starting to go, hey man, why is everything so jacked up? What else happened during that time, Jordy? What emerged out of that?
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Jordy Long
Well, you don't you don't want me to say bitcoin, but you're probably thinking of something else.
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David Rutherford
I love that you always go to bitcoin. God bless bitcoin. Right.
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Jordy Long
Well, the other thing related to that is I think another movement that's worth mentioning is the whole in the Fed movement. And I think that was a pretty powerful movement and slogan amongst especially young people. I mean, I even. I remember that I was young, so I'm only. I'm 31 years old, but the first politician that I thought was interesting, like, I'd heard of it, but by the. The first time I was like, you know, trying to pay attention and like, I knew a politician's name and, you know, really, like, liked someone. Dude, it was Ron Paul.
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David Rutherford
Yep.
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Jordy Long
Dude. I started with that. And the first, like, big. I mean, I guess you could count 911. I remember that. But I was so young that I was just a kid. But the first time, like, started to get aware was literally started with 08 and all of the fallout from that. And for at least for millennials, a lot of millennials, that's like the beginning of their. Think about that. Their political awareness.
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David Rutherford
Yeah, that's interesting. That's a great. That's a great fact. Right. And I also. You also got to believe that, you know, during that time when what was being taught in universities, what was being taught had really hardcore skewed left. Right. And I.
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Jordy Long
Around 2013 or so.
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David Rutherford
2012 is where you see the diagram of the media just explode with a lot of these dei esg, you know, all these movements that really began to emerge. We need the police, censorship and all that type of thing as well.
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Jordy Long
I went. My first year in College was 2012. Right. And so I remember that was like a transitional period where you kind of remember the old world, but you started. That was. You started to hear some.
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David Rutherford
Some.
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Jordy Long
Some new ideas entering the campus. Right. People talking a little bit differently than they used to. Also, you can't really say certain words that you used to be able to say that were fine. It was like a weird transition period. I remember when I first got into college, but then the second, third year I was in college, it had solidified.
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David Rutherford
That's right. It went from political correctness of the late 90s, early 2000s to woke. Right. Woke. Exploded around that time. That woke mentality. And it really. It blossom. And because they had political control, right. It. They were able to get it and nurture it and expand on it.
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Jordy Long
And social media exploded around that time.
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David Rutherford
That was the thing that I was Trying, that's the thing that I was trying to provoke an answer from you about. Social media exploded at that time, right? So now, you know, all of the mainstream conduits of information no longer had their permanent grasp. Right. They couldn't be completely controlled. And so social media began. And initially social media, the algorithms were pretty wild. They were pretty, you got, you saw what you saw and that was it. But then again, around that 2012, 13, 14, 15, you really started to see it shift, right where you, you know, whatever you were into, maybe they were putting other things in your feed. There was, you could start to see a titration of the algorithm, if you will. And I think it was really kind of Obama's second term where the American population began. A good deal of the American population and especially the, you know, the more traditional sense, and I'm not saying more traditional conservatives or traditional liberals, I'm saying traditional people that are in that middle started to say, hey, something's not right. And I think that really provoked Donald Trump in that moment to come out in 15 and really start to think about it. And then when he came down those stairs in June 16, it shocked the system. And how did the system react? Thank you so much for listening. Again, apologize for the interruption, but I want to just tell you about one of our core sponsors, Firecracker Farms. Now, if you want to spice up your life, that means you need to spice up your food. I'm done with the hot sauces, I'm done with all that nonsense. What I go to now is Firecracker Farms and it's Three Kings technology, right? That's the mixing of the hottest peppers into these beautiful, this beautiful spicy salt that I just pepper the hell out of my eggs in the morning, my steak at night. Man, this is one of the best products I've ever had. It's really just brought a whole new nuanced approach to how my food tastes and my enjoyment of it. And you know what the kicker of this whole thing, it's a family run business and I love those family run business. My buddy Alex and his family get put their heart and soul in delivering this incredible product. So go visit Firecracker Farm, punch in promo code of rut 15, that's Romeo, uniform, Tango, and get taste buds going. Booyah. Right? The system reacted in a very significant way. And what we now know, right, you had Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Biden, right, they basically, through the guise of Hillary Clinton, her campaign, which was John Podesta, Jake Sullivan, Anthony Blinken, you know, all these Political players basically said, you know what? This guy's a Russian agent. This is what's going on. Meanwhile, everybody's trying to hide the sale of nuclear material to Russia that had taken place, the scandal of running guns down into the cartels, the opioid crisis that had emerged. Right. All these other things. It cracks me up when people actually have the audacity to say, barack Obama, there wasn't a single scandal in his entire administration. Right. And I think the veneer of everything, people with the ability for the Internet and people to talk to one another around the world, that began to crack. And so they doubled down on Trump. And because of that, it was so obvious that people like, whoa, this is not. They're not going to let this guy govern, even. Right? And for me, the big one that really initiated was Mike Flynn, General Flynn, when he was indicted for perjury, which is just crazy to me, because it's like they all perjure themselves every day of the week and twice on Tuesdays. Right. But they. He. He per. He supposedly lied to the FBI, which was a setup, by the way. We know that now. And that began the whole thing. Next thing you know, we've got the former head of the FBI as a special counsel, you know, and his background is just crazy, too, what he was part of prior to when he was. When he was at the height of his service in the US Government. But then it became obvious, wow, they're not going to allow this guy to govern. And that really exacerbated the base. Right. And you started to see things that not make sense. They were almost dystopian in nature. You would see the president come out and say one thing, and then something else would happen in the government. You'd say, he'd come out and do one thing, and then something else would come out over here. And you could see the fighting or the resistance from Trump's movement. Now, obviously, there were quite a few successes during his time. Really got the economy pumping again. And I think people had a general sense, okay, we've kind of suppressed that, that. That progress, that, you know, hardcore progressivism. We've got a stalemate on it. And then what we do, we went into 2020 and the fricking wheels fell off. And when you go, and you look now at all the evidence, we did a show, we. We mentioned a little bit of election interference taking place, and now we know that that was all real. And I played a major, you know, I. I paid attention, and one of the people that I was just invested in during that time was Dan Bongino. I mean that guy covered Russiagate election, the 2020 election, better than anybody I saw on the net. Right. Everybody was, he was all over that. Really 2017 is where I really became invested. And then you started to see all the other right pundits on whichever side they were kind of like start to fall in love. And the 2000s was the. I think that was the catalyst for this MAGA movement to really come together under this banner of there is an internal swamp. Right. And that's where we heard the term the swamp emerge that there is this thing and it does not matter if you're Republican or Democrat. It's all about keeping the status quo in the power structure of Washington D.C. and that became utterly apparent with the lack of response from the Republican Party at obvious problems with mail in balloting with COVID I'm still ready for some hardcore intel report to come out saying this is only the greatest pandemic in human history. And we still don't know where it started, where it went down, how it emerged, but yet there was a full blown pre pandemic event called Event2.01, which took place in October of 2019 where they said by that time the spread was happening, where they had the deputy director of the CIA, heads of corporations, heads of news meetings all getting together saying, hey, what happens if there's a pandemic? Well, we're going to handle it like this. So that that started going. But by then what. According to Mike Benz, the great Mike Benz, who if you haven't found him, I highly recommend you go look at all of his work he's done on the industrial censorship complex. And that was the consolidated effort by the US government to put pressure on social media companies to suppress conservative voices at the highest level for one. Which that happened to me as well too. But I mean it happened to everybody. I mean this happened to every major person out there that was, was doing this, who questioned anything that questioned, even questioned. And what was interesting, this was also the time where I think, you know, traditional liberals. Traditional liberals, right. This is the, the people like Joe Rogan, the people like you could argue that. Who else was a person that came over? Robert F. Kennedy Jr. You had, you know, some of these hardcore scientists that were silence. Jay Batari. Batachari, Dr. Robert Malone. Right.
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Jordy Long
And that's where the left used to be that you, the left used to be aligned with, questioning the elites. You know, it's funny, we had, you know that Pixar movie Cars playing the other day There was some scene in it where the. One of the cars goes and visits like some organic fuel shop or something, and it's like run by a hippie car. He's like an old six, you know, 60s boomer guy. And he starts going like, that's because the big oil companies are a conspiracy with the government, man. They don't want you to know. And I'm like, dude, the hippies were like. Sounded like a bunch of MAGA dudes back in the, like, back in the day. They were questioned. The elites. It's all about the regular people versus the elites. That's the common thread. And that was on the left.
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David Rutherford
Oh, I 100% agree. Like, who is running. Rogan's been posting a lot of this in the last few months as well too. He's showing video of Hillary Clinton's campaign speeches back in 2012. And if you close your eyes, you would say, oh, that's who's running in the MAGA party right now in terms of immigration controls, fiscal responsibility, all of this thing, all of these. But when they came into power and maintain power, they're just the same as. As the other side. And I think you're right. I think what's starting to become fundamentally apparent to the American population as a result of X being a free speech platform, really the only one out there that you can do it, other than your own website, your own substack, I think is doing great. They've really been able to show that. I think Spotify's ability to stand behind Joe Rogan and not cancel him when they tried to cancel him. So there are. There are way. What? Rumble? That's right. Rumble. For sure. Rumble. I got on Rumble when I got canceled. For sure. You're right. So there is this now mechanism to speak your mind. All right. That's a lot of backstory for you to understand. Now what I think this summer when I think for me, the ultimate catalyst of all this was the first assassination attempt against Donald Trump. Right? That was the thing. After we watched all of this take place, all of the persecution, all of the. The impeachment, all of the trials, all of these things. And then to watch him be assassinated in, or attempt to assassinate him in the way we did by that Rolf Kidd and his inexperience and all the shortfalls in the tactical planning and all like, that was it.
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Jordy Long
No Internet history with no online history ever.
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David Rutherford
His apartment completely cleaned like a professional would clean it. You know, we hit this moment where it was like it was a unification at a level we haven't seen, right, where Tulsi Gabbard is now coming on board. Robert F. Kennedy Jr's on board. You have these people that were kind of liberal centrists that are now supporting Joe Rogan. Interviewing you know, you had Glenn Greenwald.
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Jordy Long
Coming out against stuff, Matt Taibbi, Matt.
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David Rutherford
Taibi, Michael Shellenberger, you know, you know, plus the pundits on the right got, you know, were out there hardcore campaigning because they realize the nature. And then the one that I think really was a major catalyst for everybody, too, was Elon Musk coming on, on the team, right, and saying, we are at an existential crisis. If this, if the hardcore left continues and is able to gain power, we will, it will be irreversible. They will legalize immigration. They will make 20 million people legal immediately with amnesty, and we will live in a perpetual blue political environment.
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Jordy Long
Which states they'll get rid of swing states, basically.
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David Rutherford
Well, and that's what we, we saw that, right? We saw what, 20,000, 25, 30,000 Haitians being put into Ohio.
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Jordy Long
There was swing state.
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David Rutherford
Yeah, yeah. They tried to do Florida, like something like 400,000 illegals were into Florida, but they lost that in Covid and all the New Yorkers moved to Florida. You know, you see this, this, this, you know, this union, right? And it really was a coalition very similar to the coalition on the left. All right? And what we see about the coalition on the left, and this is something I think we need to be attuned with as to the predictive nature when a coalition starts coming apart. Why? Right, and what you saw on the left in the lead up, right, you saw all these individual interests starting to eat themselves, going after themselves. And that's what ultimately has broken the, the Democratic Party into a place where they have no idea, like, who's going to emerge and take over this. I mean, Buddha judge was polling pretty high recently. You know, I think AOC is always out there in the fringe.
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Jordy Long
But AOC would crush Buttigieg, first of all.
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David Rutherford
Oh, no doubt. There's no doubt.
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Jordy Long
It wouldn't even be close.
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David Rutherford
Oh, I agree. She's much more charismatic. She's much better on the pulpit. She, she knows how to whip everybody into frenzy. You know, she get a great speechwriter for her and a good political campaign, and, you know, she's off to the races, which I think we'll see for sure. But again, you saw that coalition break apart. And where, how do we know that? We saw that in mail, Hispanic voters and male African American voters and how they Voted for the other side. Right. Which was the biggest that we've ever seen. So, you know what I. So I'm always trying to say, all right, what are the patterns and behaviors of cultures and subcultures? Like, how does it rise and fall? What are the connective tissue in there that holds it together, even though they're not 100% on all things. Things? What is that? And so what I think, you know, you have with the MAGA movement, the connective tissue is. Is really kind of these things. First and foremost, it was immigration. You have to shut the borders down. We cannot. Right. Build the wall. And that was a defining thing in Trump's first term. That's what got him. I'm going to build the wall. I'm going to shut it down, down. So I think that's huge. That's why it was such a seminal movement for Trump to come out of the gate and shut that sucker down, to which he did. And, you know, all props, kudos to the President for that. That's by far, I think, the most successful thing he's been able to do to date was to militarize that section along our southern border. The northern border is still wide open, by the way. Just saw a great interview with an investigative journalist on Sean's show where she said, you know, the northern. The cartels have just moved up north now, and they're just producing fentanyl in the remote or rural areas along the border, and they're just reversing it because the northern border hasn't been shut down at all.
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Jordy Long
Now, do you, do you think that the northern border is going to be harder to get to? Because, I mean, they got to go around like an ocean, you know, to get through to the northern border to come into the US or do you think, no problem, they got. They're just going to switch borders?
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David Rutherford
The way she made it sound was it's easy because the Canada's visa work applications green, you know, not green cards. I forget what they call it, but it's. It's a lot easier to fly from Mexico into Canada than it is America into Canada. Like right there. Maybe that's not right. It's not as difficult, obviously, to go into Canada on a tourist visa or whatever it is. And so that's what they're doing. And then they're literally renting out these farm properties or these urban areas, and they're just building a fentanyl lab right there. And so, I mean, they've made so much money that it's ridiculous. Right, right. Anyways, go back to that, that connective tissue within the MAGA movement. So the border was one, he came out and did that. Now the other one, which I believe is the initiator, the igniter of the beginning of the split was his absolute promise to end the Russia Ukraine war, right, and to end, to get the hostages back in Israel and to end the conflict between Israel and the Palestinian or the Hamas in Gaza. Those were massive, massive statements, right? So, and then the other one was to rein in spending, right? That was the whole Elon Musk thing. He's going to do Doge, he's going to come in, he's going to just pilfer the waste, fraud and abuse, right? And then the third one, I think by far as a result of COVID And what we learned from those, those just the death shots, what we learned was that the pharmaceutical companies have been completely manipulating us for as long as we can remember, right? And so you had RFK Jr saying what, we're going to come in and we're going to, we're going to go after them and we're going to, we're going to fix this. We're going to make America healthy again. So you had those things, and then underneath that, right, you had these social kind of issues, these issues that were, that provoked an intense guttural reaction. And, and the most significant one was, was government corruption. And then it was ending the, the magnitude of human trafficking and pedophilia, right, and how robust that whole system is. So it was all right, we're gonna, gonna, we're gonna release the RFK files, the JFK files, we're gonna get the bottom of Martin Luther King files, all this stuff, and then over here, we're gonna completely expose the Epstein thing. Now the other ones, you know, are kind of like, okay, that's kind of cool. We have RFK Jr. That's, that's important. That grabs a lot of attention. People like to repost that stuff. But the Epstein one, man, this is built into the consciousness of, of, of, of the American public. And this is, and not just for the last four years. This has been going on since the early 2000s, when he was first indicted in Palm Beach County. And I, and I'm, you know, I'm, I'm from that county. So, you know, it's like, wait, what this guy? And then he got that sweetheart deal.
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Jordy Long
So I think this all relates to another Trump promise. I think it's a pretty foundational MAGA movement fundamental, which is drain the swamp.
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David Rutherford
That's right. That's right.
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Jordy Long
That was a huge phrase.
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David Rutherford
That's right. That's right. In. In dite. Well, he came off that quite a bit in this last run. Like. He came off that.
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Jordy Long
He came off of it, right?
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David Rutherford
Yeah.
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Jordy Long
And then you can just see it just slowly dissolve up to this weekend.
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David Rutherford
So it's. It's holding people accountable, right? That's. That. I think at its core, that's what the American people want. Because if you go back and you. You know, the legacy of what we represent is we held what. We held the British government accountable. Right? We. And we held our own society accountable for the atrocity of slavery. Right? We held that accountable. What we were gonna hold accountable, the catastrophe of. Of. Of Hitler and his reign, which then immediately morphed into holding Stalin and the catastrophe of communism accountable, which led into the Vietnam War. And then what, we're gonna hold terrorism accountable. Right? And so there's.
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Jordy Long
How do you do that?
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David Rutherford
You can't. It's a fucking lie is what it is. Sorry, can I.
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Jordy Long
Can I coin a term here? I'm gonna try to coin a term really quick.
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David Rutherford
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Jordy Long
At least from my perspective as 31 year old millennial, watching these things, basically my whole awake, you know, awake political life is made up of all these insane things. And I'm going to say this is the pattern of the. Oh, no, wait, what movement? Because think about it. You have. Oh, no, there's. There's terrorism in the middle of Italy, Middle East. There's weapons of mass destructions. We have to go over there. Wait, what? There's no weapons of mass destruction. Like, like, why. Why are we over there? Wait, why are we in Iraq? And then you have the 08. Oh, no, there's a huge recession. It's going to be global. Like, we got to like clean things up. And then you're like, wait, what? No one went to jail. They actually got bonuses and nothing changed. And then you got the Russia gate. Oh, no. It looks like Donald Trump might be a Russian agent. That's terrible. Wait, what you mean it was all like fabricated 2020 election? Oh, no. Like, it, like Biden won. Wait, what? There's questions about that last one. Covid. Oh, no. There's a global pandemic. Everybody, like hunkered down. Like, let's be careful. Like, like, what's. What is this thing? It. Wait, what? It's not even that. That deadly.
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David Rutherford
Fauci made it.
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Jordy Long
Fauci made it. So this is the oh, no, wait, what? Pattern over and over and over again to the point where it's just broken all trust in the elites. And that's what you're seeing in these people. It's. I've been lied to so many times. There's been so many oh, no, wait a minute, hold on. Moments that you just can't believe anything now.
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David Rutherford
100%. 100%. Oh, no, wait, what? I love that. That's what we're gonna. That's how we're gonna call this out from now on. Jordy, that's brilliant way to it. That's exactly what it is. And I think what happens as a human being, I certainly felt this the more and more I began to realize, you know, that, that the initiative of what I was representing on the ground as a seal, as a military intelligence guy working for the challenge community was. That was pretty much the whole thing. That was it from day one. Which is, to say the least problematic for me emotionally on a grander scale. It pisses me the fuck off. That's what it does. Because it's like, you want to profess you're going to whip us into a frenzy and say, hey, trust me, we're going to get after this and then it doesn't happen. And I think that's what Russia, Ukraine, the one big beautiful bill, which increase 6 trillion in spending. You had the Iran, Israel thing, we're not starting any new wars. And a lot of people will say, well, that was a strategic strike. And I am all for Iran's nuclear program being dismantled. But again, to what end and what happens? I believe a lot of the pundits that within the next, before Trump's out of office, there will be more strikes on Iran. There'll be an escalation in that for sure. I just don't know when or how. And then, you know, you got this land sale. We're going to sell 7 millions. Now that was a beautiful thing. You know, Braxton McCoy, once again, you know, God bless you for leading the charge on this. That was taken out of the one big beautiful bill. They're not going to sell public lands. I think, you know, all the people that got behind that in terms of Sean and Jocko and all those people that were like Cameron Haynes, man, God bless you. The meat eaters guy, all got behennings and really kind of made me feel like, hey, if we unify as a voice, we can shut this stuff down. Right? And then the final, the coup de grace is, is the Epstein file in the release. And it's so telling. And that that press conference that, that they showed and, and Jordy dropped that in here right now. If you could. Let's watch that. Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been talked about for years. You're asking, we have Texas, we have this, we have all of the things. And are people still talking about this guy, this creep?
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Jordy Long
That is unbelievable.
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David Rutherford
Do you want to waste the time and do you feel like answering? Sure.
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F
First, to back up on that, in February, I did an interview on Fox and it's been getting a lot of attention because I said I was asked a question about the client list and my response was it's sitting on my desk to be reviewed, meaning the file along with the JFK MLK files as well. That's what I meant by that. Also to the tens of thousands of video they turned out to be child downloaded by that disgusting Jeffrey Epstein. Child is what they were never going to be released, never going to see the light of day. To him being an agent, I have no knowledge about that. We can get back to you on that. And the minute missing from the video. We released the video showing definitively the video was not conclusive, but the evidence prior to it was showing he committed suicide. And what was on that? There was a minute that was off the counter. And what we learned from Bureau of Prisons was every year, every night they redo that video. It's old from like 1999. So every night the video is reset, and every night should have the same minute missing. So we're looking for that video to release that as well, showing that a minute is missing every night. And that's it on Epstein.
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David Rutherford
Okay, so if you're like me and you watch Pam Bondi make that comment, and then Trump come out and say, are we still talking about this guy? We've got so much other awesome stuff going on. We still talking about this. Meanwhile, that was one of his core things. He promised. It was one of the things that everybody talked about. Jfk, junior Tulsi Gabbard. And then the one, the real insult, the real thing that just fries me is, is Cash Patel and Dan Bongino. Dan Bongino in particular. Now, you want to know a definitive way to lose your credibility? You, you spend eight years talking about this and talking about the, the, the depths of this, this disgusting thing. And then Pam, Bonnie says, I have thousands of hours child. Okay, who with? And then also, if there was no blackmail, there was no whatever, why is Ghislaine Maxwell still in jail? Or better yet, why does a guy that's completely innocent of all things, why does he kill himself in jail? We have reached the 1984 moment where basically it's like, oh, what you see is not accurate. This is accurate. Right is left, left up is down, right, the sky is red, and they're telling you, shut up and believe us. And if that's why there is a MAGA split now, at what point? And the thing that really is challenging for me is that a lot of people that I respect on, on both. Well, there's multiple sides of this. There's the anti war movement, there's the, there's the, there's the oligarchy that's taking place, you know, who's getting fat deals off this. There's the, there's the, I mean, just. There's so many layers to all of these things, why people are getting upset. But for me, it was like watching the people that just six months ago had come together and formulated this great coalition of, of to generate this, this new version of the MAGA movement that was unstoppable. We saw that by election night. Now there is a, a definitive, definitive split against these people. You know, just watching the, the Degradation of, of Trump and Elon Musk, their relationship. Right? That alone, to me, is unbelievable to watch in real time to the point where they're calling each other out like little kids on X. And then Elon gets to the point where he posts this, well, guess what? Donald Trump's in those files and you'll never see him. Then he went on to even say Bannon was in the. Steve Bannon was in the files as well, too. You know, then you have Trump saying, well, you're bad because I took away the EV thing. And, you know, meanwhile, he's like, you take it away, I don't care. I'm still the most successful EV car maker in the world. You know, to hell with you. I don't need you. You know that. And then having that spiral out, too, to where you've got Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, Candace Owens. And I know, you know, a lot of people believe Candace Owens has stepped off the cliff with this and her stance on all the things that she's. She's bringing out. But you have that group, and then you have this other group. You've got Hannity, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, right? And you know, Dave Rubin, that group. And they're going at each other all day, every day now, right? You know, the James Lindsay's on one side, and then you've got this other kind of libertarian thing going over here, which is like, you know, what, what the Alex Jones, the Joe Rogans kind of, you know, the. I don't know where Mike bends, he kind of floats in the middle of all this, just exposing corruption. But certainly the hard libertarian is, you know, the Dave Smiths, the Scott Horton, right? You've got the Glenn Greenwalds, the Sajar and Jedi, you know, that are beginning to call out foreign policy issues that they have with our relationship with Israel. They're calling out kind of these deals that are being done, you know, behind closed doors. You know, I think, you know, for me, the place that I pay attention to are, are the guys that are my peers. I pay attention to the gwad operators because you know what? I think a lot of people out there, you know, I think a lot of people gravitate towards our collective group, right? They're paying attention to Sean Ryan. He's got one of the biggest shows in the world. They're paying attention to Jocko, to Mike Ritlin, they're paying attention to Clay Martin. They're paying attention to the donut operator and that crew, the veterans with signs. They're paying attention to the black rifle guys. They're paying attention to the anti hero podcasts. They're paying attention to these. Now, why is that? Why do people seem to gravitate towards, you know, us in the way we evaluate things? And I'll tell you why.
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Jordy Long
For me, it's. It just from my perspective, because you guys have skin in the game. You. I trust people who have sacrificed and put themselves at risk for something, for what they're saying. It's not just words on a TV screen. Even worse, it's not words they're reading, reading off a teleprompter. They have sacrificed and put their own skin in the game for what they're saying. And I just automatically trust that more than someone who hasn't. Whether they're right or wrong, I just trust it more.
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David Rutherford
Well, Jordy, thank you for saying that. I think you're right. I think a lot of people feel the same way, right? There's, there's some type of trust that emerged from somebody that's willing to die for something, right? And I think that lends itself to that. Now, on top of that, you also have, you know, these guys, you know, that were operators, man, that their whole job was to decipher intelligence, was to chase down the enemy, was to evaluate information at every level. And it's not just the intelligence community that does that, right? You've got, you know, all these programs internally in DoD where they talk, taught soft guys how to run their own assets and sources and sub and create their own intel networks like Green Berets. That's what they do, man. They, they do that for a living. So there's a tremendous amount of Green Berets out there that are, are speaking, you know, truth to all of this stuff. Based on what? Evaluating the information that's available.
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Jordy Long
So they can see it because they've been trained on it and done it.
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David Rutherford
That's right. Patterns. Now you, you, you take those same guys that did, you know, 15, 20 years in, in whatever soft unit, and then they went over and worked for another five to 10 years in the intelligence world doing it. So, you know, and now you have a whole ration of former agency personnel and others, you know, the. All these whistleblowers that we've seen in the last five to eight years who are saying, yeah, this is what's going on internally. So you can't come out and look at the cameras and look at me in my face and look at all those around me and say, guess what? There's nothing to see. Here after we have not just one example, but like years and years and years of examples of internal government corruption. Both sides covering for each other, enriching themselves with insider trading or, or lobby different lobby firms. You want to go down, you want to know who runs a politician. Look who donates to their campaign. Both sides. Doesn't matter. Right. You also look at corporate donations. What corporation is in their area where they represent their constituents. Right. This is, you know, when you start to understand and recognize patterns, you're able to make, make good assumptions. Now everybody, what, what happened, and this is what I want you to be conscientious of is that who's ever on the other side of, of your opinion, you know, what you need to do is you need to see if they're addressing the substance of the questions. Right? Right. That's what you're looking for. You're not looking for the blatant attacks on character or these people are idiots or they're dumb or they're. They're this type of thing. They're this. They' and names. What you want is to see if they address the accusations and if so, how and with what per proof. Remember, the burden of proof is not on us, the American public, to prove all these things. And there's enough stuff that's been out, I mean, the wiki files, the WikiLeak files from Julian Assange, I mean, just spend a few days going into that and see what you, how you come out. Or how about Snow Godin, right? And basically coming out and saying, yeah, the NSA has an active campaign to listen to every single American in the country at any time they want. They're collecting every piece of data. You already know that with your phone, right? You already know that. We know that certain organizations around the world are using things like Pegasus, where you don't even have to open anything and it. And it populates your phone automatically. We know, know that the American government has access signal to listen to different people. Right. They looked at, they were listening to Tucker Carlson's conversations when he was trying to set up an interview with Putin. We saw recently Pete Hegseth's internal communications. They were way. They were exposed because they're somehow a journalist that was connected to that thread. Right. So here's my thoughts. Okay, this is the tough one. All political movements eventually come to a space where, where once they've been manipulated to the highest degree that the core of these movements starts to, to, you know, not revolt, if you will, but starts to push back heavily. And I think what you have is you have both political movements. I mean, I think the left is far more deconstructed now. Fractured, like it's been exploded. Right. We're at the precipice of that now. What is that? I think you have to evaluate who benefits when a major movement is broken apart. Well, the people in control, the people in power. And so what I. What I want you to do moving forward and what would most benefit you is not to. And I get this a lot, and I see this a lot, and I talk to a lot of people, including people that are involved in these. These bringing information, assessing information involved in the government. Government is. People are just at the point where like, well, what difference does it make? And I'm going to tell you what difference it makes. It makes a monumental difference. We are $38 trillion in debt. That is unsustainable. And you and I are going to feel the effects. But you know who's really going to feel the effects of this? Jordy's new daughter and my daughters and my friend's kids and then their kids. That's who's going to feel the effects. So as you feel overwhelmed with all of this and you feel as if it doesn't matter, they're going to do it anyways. I just kind of got to get mine while I can get mine. Igm. The IGM mentality. Think about what you're sacrificing. You're ignoring it because it's too painful or it's too much to follow or it's too difficult, or nothing you're going to do is going to make a difference, and you're just going to go about your daily life. You're going to focus on what you can control, and you're just going to have your little world. You are actively participating in whatever we get in the future. Right? Part of our civic responsibility as people that are American citizens is that we take on that sovereignty, that. That responsibility at the highest possible order, that we recognize that every day, you know, it's our responsibility. And the immediate reaction I typically get when I present that challenge to somebody is, yeah, but rut, I vote, and it doesn't matter. No matter who I vote for, the same outcome happens. Okay, I get that, but what else could you do? What else do you think you could participate in your school boards or do. You could start funding rallies or actually go out and find somebody or start an organization that calls this stuff out, or, you know, write a anonymous blog on Substack or start your own podcast that calls this stuff out or actually do the research, right, get in those files, start paying attention to these people who their sole mission in life is to expose the corruption on both sides across the whole board. Whether it's the Fed, whether it's the endless wars overseas, whether it's the financial system, whatever it might be. If there's something that gets you, then do the work. Do the work. Investigate it. Try and figure out. Become that flashbang of truth yourself. Educate the people around you. You. Now I know what you're saying. You're going like, hey, Rut, man, I already lost three uncles, two cousins and my brother. Because I, I'm, I'm at the dinner table at the fourth of July and I'm slamming my hand down about the going on with all this stuff, you know, And I don't want to destroy my family anymore. It's enough is enough. Yeah, you can quit for sure. And that's a guarantee that what's going to happen is what's going to happen. Or you can play an active role and at least helping people understand the complexities of this. Like I try and do now. A lot of times people are, they ask me when I'm out there and they go, well, Rut, well, what do you feel about it? And I'll tell you what I believe that we should, should not engage in any more wars overseas unless it's absolutely necessary. Unless there is an existential threat to the homeland, an existential threat to our way of life, an existential threat to our economic system. Maybe that's it. We should not do that. We're done. We need to circle the wagons and rebuild that, if you will. The other aspect that I firmly believe is that, that if you are a pedophile in any way, shape or form, and you have hurt children, young women, young boys in any capacity, I don't give a what your position is. It is a moral obligation to go after all of those people. Now, you want to listen to something that'll, that'll make your heart drop? There's a guy named Darrell Cooper, runs a podcast called the Martyr Maid. He does a three part series on the Jeffrey Epstein thing. Go listen to that. It's the most scary thing that, that pedophilia and, and blackmail operations with pedophilia have been going on forever and is one of the core ways where you can manipulate powerful people because of their immorality and their inability to say no. And then the third one is if you're stealing and from the American people, from my children, and you're guaranteeing that their future is going to be riddled with financial calamities, existential nuclear threats, or just a complete breakdown in the system, then you know it. It's incumbent upon you to protect the future of your own family. Family. That's the way I feel about this. So we will continue to monitor this, we will continue to pay attention to this. We will continue to call out what we think we need to call out. But what we really our main objective here is to continue to educate you, to give you greater context of what's taking place and to try and give a little bit of opinion based on my my experiences, my the way I evaluate things and the conversations with people that I really trust and believe in in order to frame an idea, a concept, or to frame some hope for you and your family. Thank you very much. God bless you.
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