The "Pathocracy" Exposed: The Elite’s Secret Plan To Radicalize & Destroy Young Men | EM Burlingame | Ep. 56

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: The "Pathocracy" Exposed: The Elite’s Secret Plan To Radicalize & Destroy Young Men
Guest: E.M. Burlingame
Host: David Rutherford
Date: September 17, 2025

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Overview

This episode takes a deep dive into the concept of "pathocracy" — a system where individuals suffering from severe personality disorders gain power, shaping society to their disordered worldview. In the wake of the assassination of Charlie Kirk, a conservative leader, host David Rutherford and guest E.M. Burlingame explore how elites, through manipulation and psychological warfare, seek to radicalize and ultimately destroy young men, thereby controlling the future of society. The conversation blends personal, historical, and psychological perspectives to explain how societies are destabilized, and what can be done to reclaim and rebuild communities.

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Key Discussion Points

1. The Assassination of Charlie Kirk and Its Ramifications

• Charlie Kirk’s significance: Kirk stood as a moderate and rational voice, advocating for young men's empowerment and moderation, and his public assassination is positioned as highly strategic (03:05–06:35).
• Purpose behind the assassination: The elimination of a moderate figure is seen as preparation for a coming campaign to radicalize young men. By removing Kirk, elites have cleared obstacles for the next ideological escalation (07:13–13:37).

“They had to kill the moderate before they radicalize and they had to do it publicly.” — David Rutherford (09:33)

2. Manipulation and Demoralization of Young Men

• Historic patterns: Drawing parallels with Ukraine and WWII, the discussion argues that the demoralization and radicalization of young men is a classic strategy to destabilize societies and facilitate elite control (07:13–13:37).
• Demoralization mechanisms: Societal changes since the 1970s — promoting ideas like “toxic masculinity” — are interpreted as long-term attempts to strip young men of their sense of value and connection to the land, culture, and community (07:13–13:37).
• Final objective: Once sufficiently broken and radicalized, young men can be manipulated into violence, enabling elites to seize remaining wealth and assets (“the great taking”).

“Without that [young men willing to stand and fight], nothing has any value.” — David Rutherford (04:13)

3. Pathocracy Defined: The Elites’ Model for Control

• Definition: A pathocracy is described as “a system of government where individuals with personality disorders, particularly those in cluster B … gain decisive influence... their disordered perception of reality becomes the operating system for the nation.” (15:50–16:05)
• Financialists’ Role: The so-called “financialists” manipulate government structures to ensure those with these pathologies (narcissists, sociopaths, etc.) ascend to positions of power for large-scale societal extraction (16:05–20:02).
• Historical context: The pathology-oriented structure is traced back through liberal democracy to the Venetian and Roman systems.

“Liberal democracy from its inception is a system of borderline personality disorders. It was designed specifically … to pull cluster A, B or C personality disorder types into the regime.” — David Rutherford (19:15)

4. Understanding the Cluster Personality Disorders

Cluster B (Dominant in Power Structures):

• Narcissistic: Ego-driven, performative, grandiose, lacking empathy (20:26–21:27).
• Antisocial/Sociopathic: Lacking remorse, impulsive, recruited for roles demanding ruthlessness.
• Borderline/Histrionic: Emotionally unstable, craving attention, crisis-manufacturers (25:57–29:01).

Cluster C:

• Anxious bureaucrats: Obedient, fearful, maintain and process destructive systems uncritically (29:01–30:23).

Cluster A:

• Ideological fanatics: Paranoid, schizoid, driving extremism, seeing threats everywhere (30:26–31:07).

“Their policies aren’t designed for public good, but for personal aggrandizement and the permanent memorialization of their ego.” — David Rutherford (21:09)

5. Why the Anglosphere is Especially Susceptible

• Anglo cultures as “rule of law” societies: Due to environmental and historical factors, English-speaking people have higher trust and status for women and legal systems (37:10–44:12).
• Steady erosion of harsh environmental checks: As life became easier, society stopped “rooting out” the disordered, leading to infiltration by pathological personalities into key institutions (43:04–45:27).
• Result: Today, the English-speaking world is “riddled” with these types, setting up the current crisis.

6. The Great Wealth Transfer and the Final Stage of Extraction

• Boomer wealth as the next target: The largest intergenerational wealth transfer is occurring, and regulation and industry manipulation are removing protectors for young inheritors, clearing a path for elites to seize assets (47:36–49:47).
• Radicalization as distraction/asset removal: Elites provoke conflict to remove young men as obstacles, using social divisions to distract from their true aim—asset theft.

“The final theft of the boomer wealth… is happening already, but it's not going to finalize for another seven, eight years. And you need three or four years to get young men radicalized enough…” — David Rutherford (49:01)

7. Pathology Versus Ideology

• Ideologies as theater: Ideologies are masks for deeper psychological disorders; chasing ideologies misses the underlying disorder (55:39–58:07).
• Danger of missing the real enemy: Without recognizing and removing pathological individuals in power, changing ideology changes nothing.

“These ideologies don't create the pathology; the pathologies are attracted to that kind of ideology... If we keep looking at Marxists and National Socialists... these are insane people attracted in similar ways.” — David Rutherford (55:39)

8. What Can Be Done? Reclaiming Society From Pathocracy

• Community-level action: Rebuilding must occur locally; all real power is local. Understand and recognize personality disorders in local leaders, and use existing structures (voting, meetings) to remove them systematically (61:46–67:28).
• Men must mentor men: Older, virtuous men should connect with and vet young men, developing their tangible and martial skills, connecting them to job and asset opportunities, and restoring their sense of status and belonging (74:07–89:17).
• Reasserting value: The message to young men must be relentless: "You are the asset," and improvement comes by building necessary, productive capacities.

“Men vet men, not HR, not some DEI program... Men vet men, period.” — David Rutherford (88:39)

9. The Role of Veterans and Successful Men

• Veteran leadership: Former warriors and successful operators should guide, select, and connect new generations for the defense and rebuilding of communities.
• Bridging with the elite: These “modern knights” act as the link between skilled young men and the holders of legacy wealth and businesses, re-establishing generational continuity and defenses against dispossession (75:48–78:49).

“Guys like us need to be doing what we do best when we go into a country and we're working with host nation and that's how we have to think. Training, working with, and identifying who needs to get who's good, who's solid, who needs a little guidance, who needs to get slapped a little bit…” — David Rutherford (77:08)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "They had to kill the moderate before they radicalize and they had to do it publicly." – David Rutherford (09:33)
• “A pathocracy is a system of government where individuals with personality disorders... gain decisive influence... their disordered perception of reality becomes the operating system for the nation. This is our present condition.” – David Rutherford (15:50)
• “The final theft of the boomer wealth… it's happening already… you need three or four years to get young men radicalized enough…” – David Rutherford (49:01)
• "Ideologies are theater. They're disposable... The pathology is attracted to that kind of ideology because it was created by that type of pathology." – David Rutherford (55:39)
• "Men vet men, not HR, not some DEI program... Men vet men, period." – David Rutherford (88:39)

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Timeline of Important Segments

• 03:05 – Introduction; Charlie Kirk’s Assassination, significance, and responses.
• 04:23–06:35 – Why young men are society’s “real asset” and why elites target them.
• 07:13–13:37 – The cyclical patterns of demoralizing and then radicalizing young men; parallels with Ukraine, Germany, WWII.
• 15:50–16:05 – Definition and concept of "pathocracy."
• 16:05–22:25 – How financialists and power structures select for the disordered; explanation of Cluster B personalities.
• 29:01–31:07 – Role of Cluster C and Cluster A in bureaucracies and ideological movements.
• 37:10–47:36 – Susceptibility of Anglosphere cultures, the erosion of social immune systems, historical context.
• 47:36–49:47 – The impending great wealth transfer; financial system manipulation.
• 55:39–58:07 – Ideology versus pathology; why focusing on surface-level ideologies is a mistake.
• 61:46–67:28 – Concrete steps to reclaim institutions: local knowledge, action, systematic removal of the pathological.
• 74:07–75:48 – Advice for men mentoring the next generation and resisting radicalization.
• 77:08–78:49 – Veterans' unique position to reconnect generations and anchor communities.

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Closing Advice

• Moderation is Key: Resist attempts to provoke disgust and rage; avoid becoming pawns in elite games (74:07–75:48).
• Rebuild on the Local Level: Identify, mentor, and connect. Establish loyalty, develop skills, and strengthen ties between generations and classes.
• Root Out Pathocracy: Seek out and remove pathological leaders at every level, especially in local institutions.
• Value Young Men: Constantly affirm that young men are the fundamental asset to society, and help them develop skills that benefit their community (87:00–89:11).

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Summary in a Sentence

This episode exposes how elites use pathocracy—rule by the psychologically disordered—to manipulate, demoralize, and radicalize young men, facilitating societal collapse and asset theft, while offering a roadmap for men of integrity to reclaim communities through local action, mentorship, and vigilant recognition of psychological pathology in leadership.

Transcript

[David Rutherford]

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[David Rutherford]

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[E.M. Burlingame]

In light of the tragedy that has recently taken place and the loss of one of the most notable people in the entire conservative movement around the world, Charlie Kirk's assassination, I felt compelled to bring somebody that I have profound respect for who I thought might be able to give us a deeper insight or understanding of the pathologies that are driving these types of actions. So I reached out to have him on the show again. Mr. E.M. burlingame, welcome to the David Rutherford show, sir.

[David Rutherford]

Sorry it's under these conditions, Dave.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Yeah, me too. I, I, you know, as, as if, if anybody is. If you're listening, what I highly recommend is you go follow em, get on his mailing list. He's been writing just some incre. Incredible articles, including this morning he put out a, A real powerful reflection on, on Charlie's deaths. And, and would you just talk a little bit about what you put out in terms of the required and continued influence on, on young American men?

[David Rutherford]

Yeah, this was no accident. This was highly, highly thought out. And I don't mean the action itself, but Charlie taking out Charlie in order to bring about whatever, you know, whatever resentful ideological faction comes to dominate, it doesn't matter. In order for them to dominate and win the United States and thereby, you know, have a weapon against the rest of the world again, still they have to take the only real asset in high ground, and that's our young men. Because there are no other assets. Nothing has any value without young men who are willing to stand and fight for it, period. It, the land doesn't have value with the assets of the land. No banks, no built up, all this, all this stuff, you know, down underneath is dependent on young men and men our age still, right? Who will, who have to lead. But it's dependent on men who are tied to the land, tied to the people, tied to the assets and civilization, society who will stand and fight for it. Without that, there's nothing has any value.

[E.M. Burlingame]

So I, I agree wholeheartedly. And this is something that when, you know, when Jordy and I first started and launched the show, our main target audience, what we wanted was those young men, right? Because you know, our generation, we, we have, we went and we fought, you know, our, our war and the G. W.A.T. and you know, you could say A lot of us are kind of, you know, sitting in, in preparation for what we know is coming. But these young people have, you know, so many aspects of their, what their, their belief system is built around has been, you know, part of this consortium of, of of manipulation to try and really get them to stop believing in the fact that they are the asset, they are what makes the land valuable.

[David Rutherford]

Yes.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Can you talk a little bit about some of your, how you interpret what attacks have taken place against them over the last 20 years and then, you know, kind of lead into how Charlie Kirk and taking him out is so pivotal as a result of what has emerged from his influence. Sean Ryan, trans Christian influence and other, you know, other gwad or other people that are really professing this, this new, it's not new. I, I, maybe you could help me understand the best way to describe what it is.

[David Rutherford]

So there's a cycle, there's a pattern. Right. And we're watching this pattern play out in Ukraine right now at the death of almost 2 million Ukrainian young men in three years, as opposed to about 140, 150,000 Russians, which is still a serious number larger than all the deaths, American deaths since World War II. So not inconsiderable. What do they do? They demoralize the young men. They impoverished the young men. And this started, you know, I'm 58 years old now. This, this messaging was already happening in school. Toxic masculinity and, and you know, men were abusers and all of this stuff was happening in school when I was young, you know, white gu and male guilt and all that was, is already started in the early 70s when I started school. You demoralize the men, you impoverish and demoralize the men. And what does that do? It separates them from loyalty and connection to the land and the peoples of the land and the culture. Right. Of the peoples of the land. It ensures that they have nothing to, to live for, nothing to fight for. And then you feed this, you know, what we call Marxist now over the last century and a half. But this isn't a much older, you know, you go after morals and value and honor and duty and beauty and all the things that, you know, motivate young men to build something, be something to develop themselves. And you attack them all the time and you find ways to socioeconomically and culturally promote ugliness and insanity and people who don't earn a damn thing but somehow become wealthy. And it's all done on purpose, but at some point your intent is to, you know, over that times convert enough of them to come over to your side and just burn it all down at some point. That's not because young men, most young men do have thousands, hundreds of thousands, not millions of years of genetic programming in them to defend, to protect their own. And so at some point, you know, that's going to overcome the, you know, recruiting to your malevolent side. And so, you know, at some point you're going to have to radicalize them with disgust, impurity so that they will go out and burn the world to the ground and die in great numbers. This is what happened to the Germans. We did not defeat the Nazis, the socialists, we defeated the Germans at the cost of 5 to 7 million of their men, right? So it's the same thing again happening in Ukraine right now. Ukraine is being wiped out because all the men are being killed in this purity, you know, this disgust, impurity, fight against the Russians, never mind it's a civil war, because of the same peoples, right? So the reason they had to kill Charlie Kirk is because they're getting ready and James Lindsay is talking about this, and I brought it to his attention five years ago, actually. Where they have to go now is they've got, they've gone as far as they can possibly go with the Marxist degenerate, you know, insanity stuff. And now they're ready to flip the switch to disgust and purity to radicalize our young men, get them ethno nationalist. It won't start that way. First it'll go after the trans, right, etc, and then it'll get ethno nationalist if it goes that way. Well, the reason they had to kill Charlie Kirk is because Charlie Kirk, no matter what they threw at him, was calm, logical, rational, and called for moderation in thought, in emotion, in action, etc. They had to kill the moderate before they radicalize and they had to do it publicly. That's one side of it. The second piece of it is that it, you know, this from our other world, right? It's called confidence targets, right? And so they had to give the radicals, the Marxists, the degenerates, you know, the ones that they want. So what are they going to do now? They're going to switch young men, all these demoralized and impoverished young men, wrathful young men, incense, incel, forced, you know, young men, and they're going to drive him into disgust, impurity, to go kill the trans, the LGBTs, the violent, you know, so they're going to drive him into this place where they do what they take out the foot Soldiers that have been used over the last 40 years. That's right. But you do, in a certain late stage insurgency, you take out your foot soldiers because you don't want them around to continue to be an insurgency against you because they are actually technically insane. Right. The ideologies didn't create the insanity. They were attracted to the ideology that matches their insanity.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Wow.

[David Rutherford]

Right. So that's why they had to take out Charlie Kirk, is because the movement and you can see it, we can see Nazi stuff, literal Nazi stuff, poking, popping up. We're seeing the white pride stuff pop up. There's not all of it's wrong, some of it's right stuff. And maybe not so much the Nazi stuff, but you know, you know, loving your own people, there's nothing wrong with that. Right. But you're watching probably $10 billion a month being put into this subtle information campaign. It's what the rape gains are about. It's what the crime, you know, the releasing the criminals is all about. It's about getting the young men into a rat, into a place where they can trigger disgust. And trans is the primary one. We have deep wiring against trans. It's deeply, deeply wired into us, you know, to defend our tribe, our community against the threat, that kind of insanity threat, violent threat. They're now ready to flip the switch. And they had to get rid of Charlie Kirk and they had to give the courage and confidence to the trans and the criminals and the BLMs and everybody else that you're protected, you're good, it's weapons free.

[E.M. Burlingame]

So they, they, they, they had, they're setting the stage for the battlefield.

[David Rutherford]

Yes.

[E.M. Burlingame]

And, and the battlefield, as you so articulate, is the battlefield for the mind.

[David Rutherford]

Yes.

[E.M. Burlingame]

And, and so what I'd like to do now is, is you wrote this beautiful, beautiful piece, the, the yesterday's on September 10th and which was pretty remarkable timing that you wrote this piece the day that this happened. And it's called the Pathocracy that Owns Us. How Personality Disorders are Now the Anglo World. And I just want to read one, one, one little paragraph from this to introduce the concept and then hopefully you can expand on it and really take us through step by step on what you're describing. Because I really think make sense to people in the grander context. Because last time you came on we, we had you talk about the financialists and their kill chain methodology, how they collapse certain cultures or civilizations to continue pilfering the system. And almost like a host just moves from one opportunistic culture, society at A time. And I got a lot of great feedback from that. I mean people were really like whoa, we didn't, we haven't heard of that. Like this, you know, there's the, you know. Oh, the Rothschilds are in charge of it, you know. Yeah, the directed, I think conspiratorial distractions if you will, then understanding the matrix of this conspiracy at its true intent. So let me just read this to everybody. A pathocracy's a system of government where individuals with personality disorders, particularly those in cluster B, narcissistic, antisocial, borderline histrionic, gain decisive influence over total control or total control, their disordered perception of reality becomes the operating system for the nation. This is our present condition. Could you just describe the pathocracy and how the financialists have utilized this and they're gaining control of the battlefield of the young male mind right now.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah. Government doesn't work without vast amounts of capital and power relationships behind it. Government doesn't create those. Government only consumes. Right. Doesn't create those. It can provide some protections and security for it, but it has to feed on artificial, you know, artificial realities, artificial systems, artificial structures, et cetera. Because that's what it is, it's artificial. The financialists put government out there, you know, the, the big bankers. This isn't all bankers. It's not all banks are bad, not all financial institutions are bad. It's you know, like in all things there are factions and there are some that are absolutely horrendous. Give me a second. When a system is financialized where everything is, you know, in a sense tokenized in some form of a contract and that is done without the willingness or the participation of the citizens and the populace of that land. You have to make sure that you have government at every scale that's going to support and defend that as it exercises the courts, the law enforcement, the contract and get, you know, enforcement, resource allocation, tax base, all this complex stuff, right. It, so you have to ensure that the individuals who rise up into major decision making points and policy writing places all fall within cluster A, B or C personality disorders. Because if they don't, they're, you know, because those peoples live in an artificial reality where either they're all for the steel and the malevolence or they believe that the world is out to get them. And so government needs to do what it needs to do. They're already in that space. Whereas if you have non borderline personality disorder people, they're going to look at the government process or pro or that judge's ruling or that district attorney's action or that politician's bill and they're going to go, yeah, we're not going to support this. This isn't right. This is against the people. This is non. This is unconstitutional. Right. And we're a nested constitutional peoples at the federal level and the state states also have their constitution and then depending on some of the counties, they may have further Right. So point is, is that liberal democracy from its inception by the Venetians, which were the old Roman Praetorians. Liberal democracy from its inception is a system of borderline personality disorders. It was designed specifically for and by the, well, for these people, for these types to pull cluster A, B or C personality disorder types into the regime, into government, which is, you know, the, the shield on one side and, and the tool on the other side to pull them in such that the financialists can unrestricted, enslave and steal everything. You know, enslave everyone and steal everything, all with the plausible deniability. It's not us. Look at the government, look at that, look what they're doing. Right, right. So the whole thing from liberal democracy from its inception is, is literally a system of how do you attract in and incentivize and enrich and empower personality disorder peoples.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Can you go through.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah, go ahead.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Yeah, I'm sorry to interrupt you. Can you go through those different clusters A, B and C A little bit.

[David Rutherford]

Give me a second. Let me draw it up here. Because my recall memory isn't what it used to be after a couple knocks on the school and age one or.

[E.M. Burlingame]

One or one or two rocket ranges will, will have that effect.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah, I've been banged about a bit. Yeah. Okay, so you got cluster A, B and C. Cluster B is the dominant one. That's the one we see quite heavily in, in government. Right. And cluster B is narcissistic personality disorder found in most CEOs, media figures, politicians who exhibit boundless grandiosity, craven admiration, complete lack of empathy. They see the citizenry as an audience for performance, for their performance as sources of a narcissistic supply. Their policies aren't designed for public good, but for personal aggrandizement and the permanent memorialization of their ego. And boy, that's what I love.

[E.M. Burlingame]

That line right there just waylaid me.

[David Rutherford]

Right.

[E.M. Burlingame]

I mean that, that is at the permanent memorialization of their ego.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah.

[E.M. Burlingame]

And it's, and it's that idea that somehow their actions are going to be relent, relevant for infinite terms. Right?

[David Rutherford]

Yes.

[E.M. Burlingame]

That they're Leaving their mark on history.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah. It's why the politicians work so hard at doing these big grandiose bills. Because maybe they might, it might be named after them. Yeah, right. Or some law.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Right, right, right.

[David Rutherford]

Okay. It's also why so many major corporations fail is because you don't have a founder, CEO anymore and you get one of these self aggrandizing people in there and they run the company, you know, to, to feed their own ego and that runs the company in the ground because it turns out, run a company.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Off ego Cracker Barrel, Bud Light. I mean target. I mean the list is just, it's so strikingly.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Like in your face. Like if there's no. It's not like. Well, maybe. But like that. It seems like that, that's completely gone now. Like it's just, it's so flagrant, these disorders. Right.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah. So. And I would, you know, sadly say this about our own community. I, you know, I went in the army in the mid-80s, got out in the early 90s. I went back in late 2000s to go into Special Forces or try to. And then fortunately I was able to do so. And the difference in leadership was so striking. We had a lot of these types of. As you know, pretty much every flag officer I met and sadly, which really shocked me, is an enlisted guy. A lot of the senior enlisted guys. Yeah. From E9. You know, mostly the E9s and yeah, quote unquote, E10s. Right. It's. And actually even some of the E7s. Etc. You know, in my day when I first came in, it was first a, you know, a sergeant. Back in the day, you know, decades ago, if one of your guys got in trouble and you hadn't tried everything, all the programs and all the counseling, everything else, you got in trouble too.

[E.M. Burlingame]

That's right.

[David Rutherford]

That's not what was happening. When I came back in in 2000s, the senior enlisted were just burning guys constantly. Constantly. And the officers were even worse. Right, that's right. I won't call somebody out, but I. Well, there was one. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

[E.M. Burlingame]

No, I, I just remember after I had gotten out and I was at Blackwater, I remember right after kind of the transition from George Bush, you know, to Barack Obama. Right. There was a purge of junior officers with subst combat experience within the special operations group. Like it was something like 500 plus junior officers. And they got rid of them. They early retired them all. And I was just like, well that seems kind of dumb. We're right in the middle of this thing. The G wad. And why would you purge all these people?

[David Rutherford]

Yeah, I watched it in, in Green Beret as I watched captains getting passed over, I, you know, being told they were going to get passed over. I watched majors get passed over and there was all the solid guys.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Yep.

[David Rutherford]

And it didn't matter what command was trying to do because in some, you know, many cases, command was actually pretty good, but they were getting passed over at the colonel level, Lieutenant colonel level, etc, so. Yeah. Okay, so also under cluster B is antisocial personality disorder, sociopathy, pervasive in finance, corporate leadership in the upper echelons of the administrative state. Right. Including the military and law enforcement. Oh, gosh, I have friends that have been, you know, lifetime law enforcement guys, and it's like, become just impossible to even be an officer anymore. Police officer. Right. These individuals display a profound disregard for the rights of others, which is also a really bad thing in law enforcement. Deceitfulness, impulsivity, and a stunning lack of remorse. They can sanction policies that lead to widespread poverty, violence and death because they feel nothing for their victims. They're the hitman of the financialist class.

[E.M. Burlingame]

I love that statement too. Right. Because the financialists are never going to do their own dirty work. No, Right, right. And, and, and some of these other parts of the personality disorders.

[David Rutherford]

Right.

[E.M. Burlingame]

You know, you need to have somebody that can act without that remorse. And it's these sociopathic tendencies that they recruit directly for.

[David Rutherford]

Well, it's again, back to, you know, our old units. It's not like we don't recruit for it too certain percentage D. I, I.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Was on, you know, I, I forget. I, I was talking with somebody recently and we, you know, they asked me about that. Do they recruit? I'm like, of course they do. That's what they're looking for.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah, but not overall. Right. There's a certain. Yeah, yeah, so I want to be careful.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Tendencies. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[David Rutherford]

A tendency and a certain percentage of. Well, let's see if that guy's got it. Let's see if he's sane enough that he can get through. And then we got some other work for him somewhere else usually. Right, yeah. Right, right. Okay. And then the final one under cluster B is borderline histrionic personality disorder. This is rampant in media HR departments, which the military has just become one giant freaking HR department. DEI offices and lower level government roles, they rule by emotion, drama and perpetual victimhood. Their decision making is intensely unstable and unpredictable. Driven by fear of abandonment and a need for attention. They create crisis to feel needed, enforce Ideological conformity through emotional terrorism. Right.

[E.M. Burlingame]

I, you know, I, what I always find interesting about this description of, of borderline personality disorder is, is the, the common, the commonality of that, that concept of abandonment and how that does it. Right. And it's the, it's the social rejection.

[David Rutherford]

Yes.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Right. And so what do they do? They, they bulldoze through the, the normal, the normalities of behavior. Right. The reciprocal nature of oh hey, I'll help you, you help me, we'll help each other. Common mission. They' about me. It's about me. It's about me. Right.

[David Rutherford]

I disagree with that a little bit. Just the last part. Okay. Yeah. These are people who don't have innate talent. They have no way to know their status in a hierarchy except for in the hierarchy in the language and you know, you know, by being super knowledgeable about the nuances of some regulation or policy etc and then their interpretation from experience of it. But these are people that don't contribute anything. So innately they don't know how they belong. That's the abandonment. And we've seen people like this, you know, in the military, even in special operations. Rare, not as often as special operations. But sometimes it's because they don't have an innate sense of belonging because they don't naturally contribute anything. And so they're constantly. And so what they're afraid of go back, you know, go back just a couple hundred years in some places. Right. Three, four hundred years. What they're worried about is if there's a attack or there's scarcity, they're going to be the ones put kicked out of the, you know, out of the Palisade and they're going to starve to death or they're going to be killed by the Raiders. And this is really what's, you know, at the deep underlying what's going on. So what do they do? They become hyper knowledgeable about systems and structure that. And then they do somewhat to what you're saying, function and waste where they make sure they're indispensable.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Right, right. That's the, what I typically affiliated to is that that indispensable nature. It's that, you know the congressional.

[David Rutherford]

Yes.

[E.M. Burlingame]

You know that appropriations. Yeah. And they know that policy inside and out. Right. And it's some, it's just some antiquated regurgitated policy that's all made up. That's right, that's right.

[David Rutherford]

That knowledge is going to save you when the barbarians are actually inside the gates. Like I'm still going to abandon your ass Anyways, so that's it for cluster B, right? Cluster C is the anxiety. Anxious bureaucrats, right? The dependent and avoidant personalities, in particularly, it's the avoidant personalities, right, fill the sprawling bureaucracies that are obedient clerks of the pathocracy. Too fearful to question authority or deviate from the script. They follow orders not out of malice, but out of a pathological need for security and a terror of conflict. Again, just like above, you know, they are worried about when their times are hard. They're not gonna, you know, they're not gonna be in the. In group. They ensure the machine functions smoothly, processing the paperwork for the destruction of their own societies without a second thought. Right again. These are people that don't naturally. These are the lower level people that don't contribute anything other than, you know, their cog in the machine. I don't remember if you ever see the movie Brazil.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Oh, yeah, love that movie.

[David Rutherford]

This is these people.

[E.M. Burlingame]

That's right, right, that's right, yes.

[David Rutherford]

And you know, it's also in Hitchhiker's Guide in the Galaxy. But I think he did a really, really good demonstration of these types in Brazil. Right?

[E.M. Burlingame]

And that was Terry Gilliam, right?

[David Rutherford]

Terry Gilliam.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Yeah, yeah, that's right.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah, yeah. So.

[E.M. Burlingame]

God, I love him. He. What a brilliant, brilliant. What a brilliant, brilliant.

[David Rutherford]

Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, then finally, cluster A is the ideological fanatics, the paranoid and schizoid personalities. This gets back to the ideologies comment earlier, right? Often drive the most extreme ideological movements. Their detachment for reality and pervasive distrust makes them perfect revolutionaries. They see existential threats everywhere and demand total ideological purity, fueling the endless moral panics and witch hunts to characterize modern institutions. This is, you know, there's a trans genocide going on. How the hell can we genocide of people that don't exist, right?

[E.M. Burlingame]

And then the same could be true. Now, like you were saying in the beginning that, you know, now they're gonna radicalize the fanatics through their own pathology on the other side, through this idea of.

[David Rutherford]

Of correct Christianity. And the. The unfortunate thing is that we do have to burn it out.

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[E.M. Burlingame]

This is no other one I wanted to get to. This is what, like, because this is what I think the core context of most of your writing has, has been not so delicately presenting as, as the probable outcome. Right. And, and that's the thing. It's like, okay, this is, you know, all by design for sure, to protect the, the, the next movement, the next evolution iteration of whatever this, the next financialist framework is going to look like, the kill chain is going to look like. So the inevitability is there. Right. And, and you, you really did a great job in, in, you know, describing this in the United States, Australia and the United Kingdom. Can you talk about that a little bit and why it's so easily in your mind. It's so, it's so easily depicted with what's taking place right now.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah. So this gets back. You know, I just published a book called this Our English Civilization.

[E.M. Burlingame]

I saw that. Everybody go to Amazon and buy that today, please.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah, it's a collection of essays. Most of the books I'm publishing now are collections of essays that, you know, I'm not smart enough to think ahead. I've got to write things as they come to me. Also, things are happening so rapidly now and there's so much uncertainty. It's like anybody who's projecting ahead what's going to happen in the future, even three years out, is wrong. That's right. They might randomly be right about something, you know, but anyway, so in English civilization, going back to the real hard roots of it in the 800s really started the 700s under Eckbert Alfred, the greatest grandfather. But and even before that, you know, who was one of the greatest, you know, rulers in the English peoples. Right. What would become the English peoples? Buddha.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Richard. Oh, brutica.

[David Rutherford]

Oh, wow. Right. And what does she do? She, she went to war with Rome because they raped her daughters and I think her too. Right. Killed her husband and, and, well, her husband died and then they were trying to steal the land, you know, doing the financial skills chain stuff because that's still who the same people are that we're dealing with. Right, right. In the Roman system. And so she went to war. So point being is that, you know, and that was 400 years or 500 years before the English civilization was coded in the common law. Point being is this in Germanic, you know, in the peoples from northern and northwestern Europe, because our growing seasons are so short and because our winters are so harsh, we tend to have less children, which makes every. And you know, we still had higher, you know, high death rates from mothers at childbirth. Etc, so in our, in our northern and northwestern European cultures, our women have more value than in other places of the world, even in southern and central Europe. Wow. And over time, just because of statistics, because of the amount of warfare, conflict, harshness, etc, virtually all of our power and assets passes down the matrilineal lines, mother to daughter to daughter to daughter, because the, the patrilineal father to sonlines die out after, you know, or get killed or, or an avalanche or, you know, just because of the nature of the environment in which we grew up, the harsher, you know, and our ancestors come from. So we naturally, our women have naturally had a higher role in status in our societies as a part of that, but not, not specifically. We've also been a people that have been a rule of law people, particularly the Scandinavians. Because when you live in harsh environments, even the slightest infraction by some resentful or selfish, you know, or crazy individual can kill the whole, the whole tribe that winter or could get them betrayed on some, you know, in some fight with some other enemy. And so you have to have. And at the same time, you can't just go and start killing people because you don't like them or they're crazy, etc, because that causes this destability in the, the, you know, in the, in the tribe itself. In the tribe. And so we, you know, and again, because of the shortness of our growing season, the harshness of our winners, the limitation, you know, we've Got to prepare for eight months, for four months of basically being locked down historically. Right. And I actually lived above 7, 500ft up in the Canadian border as a kid for about 8 years I lived that way. And I'm going to tell you, I kind of miss it, honestly.

[E.M. Burlingame]

My wife is from Maine and she laughs at me when we go up and in the winter to see her family, you know, and, and she, she jokes at my Florida blood and how weak I am and you know, she, you know, I remember when I first, we first met, I tried to make my claim that you know, going to school at Penn State was in the tundra and she says, nothing's colder than Maine. And I was like, I was like no edge. She proved it to me. So I was like, no wonder why you're harder than I am.

[David Rutherford]

So yeah, it's the same with the, you know, what is the only US conus US military base that issues Arctic gear? It's Fort Drum.

[E.M. Burlingame]

That's right.

[David Rutherford]

Because of the. Yeah. So point being is that we're a rule of law people, you know, and that's so that if we do have to do something harsh, you know, like kill somebody or extra ostracize somebody, that we do it in accordance with a set of laws and principles that the community adheres to as well. Our women, again, because often the men were off fighting somewhere or, or off, you know, gathering resources etc. Even the non warrior warrior ones, our women have had a much higher status in our societies. The problem is, is that when, you know, starting in the, the 12, 13, 14, 1500s, really in the 15, 1600s, where you know, everything started to become easier and we can move resources around with ships and we were able to get resources from other parts of the world. You know, the absolute need for us to adhere to these strict systems and structures and the male, female, balance of power, et cetera, all of that started to slip and go away because the underlying reasons why that were, were environmental reasons were gone.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Right.

[David Rutherford]

Well what that did is it allowed for and where did all this coalesce and really centralize in the British Isles, right? In the English, English society, civilization. Because half of the English culture is Dane. It's the Dane law, Right. The same with Scots and etc. Not to take away from the native peoples, but we're a mixing of peoples who goes back thousands of years. Right. So point is what it did is it makes us the English speaking people, specifically common law people, specifically susceptible to these personality disorder types infiltrating our systems and structures and organizations. Why because historically, when there was resource shortages and there was this, you know, losing a lot of our women in childbirth and we're losing a lot of our kids when they were young. We were pretty harsh about these people, like blood eagle kind of harsh sometimes. Right. And personally, I think we need to bring the blood eagle back. That would solve a lot of problems.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Just can you explain that to people.

[David Rutherford]

Who are blood eagle?

[E.M. Burlingame]

Yeah.

[David Rutherford]

Blood eagle is what for the ultimate offense in Scandinavian society, culture. You cr, you slay the back, open it up like wings. You lock their arms out, you flay their skin off their back. You cut through, crack through the ribs with a hatchet. Right. Of an ax. And then you pull their lungs out and put them on top of their shoulders and you let them die. Right. You don't let them die while that's going on. You let them die once they're all wide open. That's, that's a blood eagle. There's actually a pretty good depiction of it on the show Vikings.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Yeah. Yeah.

[David Rutherford]

Right.

[E.M. Burlingame]

And that, that was, that was a common punishment throughout the Scandinavian people. Right. It wasn't just in centralized.

[David Rutherford]

Well, I know the British isle, wherever there were Scandinavian people. Ye. Right. And some of the Germanic, because Northwest Germans are more. We're all similar ethnic peoples. Right. Where the Scandinavian, Germanic, Britannic, you know, what would become the Britannic peoples, etc. Which is a mix of peoples. So. But the blood eagle was for the ultimate offense. Right? Right. But boy, it left a message. Right. Way more than heads on pikes.

[E.M. Burlingame]

You see someone in that capacity and you know, and that it goes back to like, like right now. I mean, I, I, I had multiple people who viewed, you know, Charlie's, you know, just shattering traumatic death who had never seen death. Right. And they'd never watched the videos. They had never seen it. A really, you know, none of the, you know, the endless videos coming out of Ukraine for the last several years or October 7th or any of these horrific realities that you can find, you know, all over your feed now, they hadn't seen it and now it's prominent and you know, that high caliber, you know, round penetrating through his neck and just the massive exsanguination that took place. It's. People are like, it almost looks fake. And in that statement alone, I think is relative to what you're talking about. Right. We have lost the recognition of. These are the outcomes when society devolves. Right. The outcome will end up being the blood eagle as a, as a, as a retribution for destroying the agreement. The laws of the land that keep order.

[David Rutherford]

Correct. So the pro. So Absolutely right. And, and why they have to kill Charlie Kirk. Because they wanted to go too far. Right. They want us to go too far because in that we die in the millions. Like the Ukrainians are part. That's either war or in a foreign war. Which is what they need because they need the young men off the land so they can confiscate the land. The great taking. Right. There's all kinds of people talking about this. And the last thing that they really need to steal, which is why the stablecoin act and all these other things all cleverly done and letting private equity into 401k plans and tokenization of all this. That is attempt to steal the boomer's wealth. Wealth. The largest collection of wealth ever accumulated. Well actually 36 they tried to do that. The young men who should be inheriting that wealth and young. That's you, right?

[E.M. Burlingame]

Yeah, I mean in my daily, you know, job, I travel all across the country. I'm. I'm engaging with these financial advisors and what, what I. There are two fascinating components of this that I like that I often bring up and kind of sidebar conversations is you have, you know, the average age of a financial Advisor is like 61, 62 right now. And they are escaping this profession in droves. I mean I think they see the writing on the wall, you know, and so in the next five to 10 years there'll be half as many advisors advising the younger generations on how to protect their wealth. And then you also have the greatest transfers transference of we amongst generations in the history of all people to the tune of about $36 trillion in wealth transfer primarily in the United States. That's going to take place. And there will be nobody available to guide them to maintain and keep their wealth in a specific spot. Right. And how are they doing that? They're driving these people out of the industry by hyper regulation, by making it more difficult to log and track. All the thugs like you can see it taking place.

[David Rutherford]

Yes.

[E.M. Burlingame]

In, in real time, you know, and, and it's just.

[David Rutherford]

So this is why the assassination now. This is why the move to radicalize the young men now. Because the final theft of the boomer wealth is gonna, you know, it's happening already, but it's not going to finalize for another seven, eight years. And you need three or four years to get young men radicalized enough that they'll go die in the military. Civilians fighting some, you know, made up enemy. Right, right. They're going to fight A real enemy first they have to. Right? You can't make. You can. You can false flag them into that fight. But the fight is real and the enemy they're fighting is real. But you're setting that up to get them all, you know, God, king and country, glory, honor, duty. So that then they'll go fight some other big enemy that you tell them you need. They need to. But they're just going to die in the middle. Millions in that fight for nothing.

[E.M. Burlingame]

That's right.

[David Rutherford]

And then that locks in the steel. That's why it's all happening now. Right. So back to the. You know, just to finish with the pathocracy we owe in steadily over the last 400 years have had such luxury and comfort increasingly that we've forgotten that when this kind of person pops up we should kick. We should either kick the living out of them or should just kill them. Right, right. Shun and shame and all that first. But if that doesn't work, then you kick the out of them. We were still doing it when we were young and some of those people when they realized I watch it my little, my kid, right. I watch it with kids, kids will try behaviors and unless they're checked they'll go okay, that one works. And it works in these circumstances with this type of person, I'm going to keep doing that. Well, the problem that we've had is that we've been so comfortable we. We've not had to worry about our, our winters as bad. We've not lost as many, you know, steadily all of that reasons for why we were so, you know, we were so observant and careful to make sure these types of personality disorder behaviors did not become the norm amongst us. That has steadily been that impetus for that has steadily been declining over the last 400 years until now they're riddled throughout everything thing and the financialist, you know the, the old Venetian bankers become Dutch bankers become City of London bankers become some of Wall street bankers etc and now they're firmly over in UAE and Cutter, they know this. They, they, you know have been steadily feeding us comforts, right While stealing everything. But they've been steadily feeding us comforts and making sure that the old, old, you know, difficulties that made us be more aware of other people around us and, and more careful to excise these kinds of behaviors. They've been making sure that all the impetus, the dry. The motivation for that's been removed from us. Why? So they can embed these people so they can build out these extractive systems. These Financialist kill chain systems and they started in Europe back in the 7000s roots. It ultimately led to the 1054 schism where the Catholic church was created out of, out of orthodox Christianity. And it's just been going since there and now they're at the stage where the largest wealth transfer in human history, which will probably never happen again, they want to steal it. They are all and bent on it. Never, you know, again. Like the great taking. There's so many people talking about it. Right. And articulating it. Well the one thing that prevents it, the one thing that prevents it is young men who stand on their, on the lands and say Malone lab and understand what that means. Right. Really understand, really understand. It wasn't about the weapons. Yes, you had to take the weapons from the dead hands. But what they were saying is come take our lance, try it.

[E.M. Burlingame]

That's right.

[David Rutherford]

Come take the assets, try it. Right. That's what that really is. And I've written about this, you know several articles as well on this. So. So they have to if to do this, the big theft, this trillions tens of trillions of dollars of real wealth, not just derivative wealth but actual underlying fundamental assets. They have to wipe out the young men and the only way to defeat them is to have the young men and have the young men remoralized. Have the young men connected to the land and the soil and the people etc and that means the uber wealthy and elite need to. Something you said earlier need to do a better job of reconnecting with the young men of their communities and getting involved. And somebody posted something earlier today about there's a whole lot of boomer land and wealth out here that's not being, you know that best thing to do would be to put young men to work on it.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Yes.

[David Rutherford]

In various forms. Young men would then have an ability to earn status in place and in a sense of honor. Counter. Right. We don't need everybody on war fighters. No, it only takes 2 to 3% you know, war fighters to take care of all of it. We need people who are young men who are tied to land, who will fight if necessary. But we need young men that they, their soul is connected to that land, their families connected that land and the productivity of that land.

[E.M. Burlingame]

It's fascinating. And we did a show with this, this group called the Beef Initiative and they talked about how many family farms are being eradicated at such an alarming rate. I just saw another story about California and there's a large contingency of California fifth generation, sixth generation farmers that have lost the fight and the resources and they're having to sell their land here in the next few months. And I think that goes straight to the heart of what you're talking about. And then you also look at the sheer magnitude of farmland that Bill Gates owns this year. Magnitude of farmland that the Chinese have purchased. You know what. Yeah, Ted Turner. I mean, so you, you see, I mean, at least I think we see it. So the idea is for you, the listener to begin to see this for what it is. And it's the, the, the, the manipulation, right? The pathological. And that's, that's before we got on, you know, you, you referenced, hey, one of the things that we need to stop getting caught up in is, is, is the context of ideology being the focal point. Can you talk a little bit more about that? Why it's so critical to distinguish between pathology and ideology?

[David Rutherford]

Yeah, so great. Bring it back to this. Ideologies are theater. They're, they're disposable. Cis. Anybody who goes into one of these ideologies and is espousing the. They're disposable, they're just disposable body bags, basically. They'll do violence and do you know, as we need to tune up this, these, this type of pathology that goes into that ideology will tune up that pathology magically. That ideology is dominant right now if we need to tune up this other one, we'll do that. The issue. And again, these ideologies don't create the pathology, the pathologies is attracted to that kind of ideology because that ideology was created by that type of pathology. Right? And so if we keep looking at Marxists and National Socialist and white supremacist and black, black, whatever lives matter, all these, these are, they are insane people. They attract the insane. Now they're insane in similar ways. So they go to a certain, you know, set of words and you know, canon and magics that they can go to where they feel like they belong. But it's the underlying insanity first. And we need to get down. It's like the book I wrote, the Eternal War. There's first principle stuff that we need to get back to because the pathocracy uses these masks of these ideologies and threats, etc, so you keep chasing that and you're not removing them and you know, you're not restoring sanity to your systems, right to the halls of power. And so they'll let you go. You can chase the ideology all you want, you'll change nothing. And oh, by the way, what to the purity thing right now where they're gonna, they're already hard flipping from the Marxist to the National Socialist. That's what's happening, happening. You see all the signs and social media, etc, right? It's exactly what you do. They feed one ideology for a while, that pathology, and then when they're ready to flip to the other, you know, or flip to another one, what do they do? Well, they burn that one. What changed? Nothing. Because we didn't realize that that's a personality disorder type and not Marxism. It's not national socialism. It's not white supremacy. It's a neurological personality type. Right. Disorder type.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Right.

[David Rutherford]

And then once you realize that now you can look at government and go, that sheriff is a cluster, is a cluster B. That district attorney, that politician, that business leader, that right. And now you can start dealing with and are and going, okay, okay, how do we deal with that? Right? We used to shame and shine and kill. How do we deal with it? You know, they're everywhere now. This, this pathocracy is in everything, particularly in the English speaking world.

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[E.M. Burlingame]

So what do we do? What is. I mean, you had this great. The reclamation of our communities, countries, states and nations requires the deliberate and systematic deep pathologization of our institution. Can you explain what that means specifically?

[David Rutherford]

Yeah. So we can see. Okay, so first off, all power is local. Federal power is an accumulation of local power. You can do everything right at the federal level and change, not nothing. Right? So what you have to do is in your small and local area. So first off, you need to understand these pathologies and the neural types and you can do the studies. You don't have to be, you know, an expert on it, maybe know an expert who knows these things. One of the things you got to be careful of is a lot of the experts also have these pathologies and they, they go into those professions like the people who write the dsm, you know, the, the DSM bibles. Yeah, they're psychopaths and they make sure that they downplay the degree and amount of psychopathy. So if I was a psychopath or a sociopath or a narcissist, you know, cluster A, B or C, and I had an inclination towards academia. I might go into a profession where I'm doing studies that demonstrate this very, you know, disorder that I have and downplays it.

[E.M. Burlingame]

It's, it's so funny that you. Not funny, but it's so poignant that you bring this up as before you caught on. Jordy and I were having this convers where I was trying to describe just that. Where you look at the, the history. Right. It started off, if you go as far back. Right. It, it's, it's the metaphysics of our rituals. Right, right. It's this, it's the spring and the fall, the winner, the female, the male. Right. All of those which emerged into those types of, of tribalistic explanations for existence and then, you know, and then those morphed into something a little bit more tangible or manipulative from a theological perspective. Then you had Greek philosophy emerge and then Roman philosophy and you know, the age of enlightenment. And then, you know, from that, you know, you had modern psychological psychiatric theory emerge. And it's all just the same thing, you know, people. It's trying to minimize or soften the reality of this evil that's present. Right. And the gross manipulation for those who truly understand how easily manipulative or manipulate, how easily it is to manipulate those lower order male figures. Right. And we just continue to redefine it, as you said in these ideologies, to distract, act to say, hey, this is what's really taking place.

[David Rutherford]

Here's an enemy for you to go. Yes, yeah, go fight that enemy. Right, yeah. And they wait. Yeah, so, so very good. You asked the question about what do we do with it. We need to understand what these pathologies are. They're very well known, they're very studied, they're way more prevalent than again, the academics allow. Right. Also there's another piece there people need to realize. I don't know many academics and I did PhD studies in a pretty hard field. Field I didn't finish. I haven't done my dissertation, so I'm not a PhD in case somebody wants to try and throw that at me at some point.

[E.M. Burlingame]

They're gonna throw a lot more than that at you once. Once you go over the tipping point, brother.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah. So what we need to realize is that most of the, you know, most of academia until the last 50 years has been male and most of them were lower status males trying to get less laid. So how the hell can I trust most of the freaking analysis about male female differences there? No, most of the they've been writing was to get laid by unhealthy women.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Oh my God, that's perfection.

[David Rutherford]

It's the truth. Right? So. Right. So yeah, let's listen to the experts. That was trying to forgive my language, Jeremy. Sorry, but that guy was trying to get lame made and he lied about a whole lot of. And I don't care if he's got you know, 3000 citations for that paper and you know, etc.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Trust the experts.

[David Rutherford]

Trust the experts. I'm not trusting the expert if he's a beta male anyways. Right. Which is actually I won't go down the pathway. Alpha Beta relationships are actually not what people have been said because the Betas in animal species do the fighting, they do the raising of the young. Yeah. They do the foraging, they do the hunting, etc. The alpha only fights other alphas and then maintains the balance internal. So I want to be.

[E.M. Burlingame]

That's a good classification. Thank you for.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah, so Betas need to be careful because we, we have Betas in our societies and cultures and they're very necessary and they're very good and we need to be right. What we're talking about when we say Betas and this was all done in purpose by these academics trying to get laid. Right? Right. Okay. But in what we're talking about when we say Betas. Right. When. When we hear it are actually Thetas and Omegas and you know. Etc. Right. Okay, back to the. So we need to understand these pathologies. We need to understand how they work. We need to understand how to pick up the cues. And there's great videos on YouTube on each one of these goes into detail. Great videos actually very well done. Usually they're fairly short work and it talks about a parent that's you know, mother, that's a narcissist or this. And there's a lot of great work. Do that. Then look at your local leadership and identify who's. Who's what and who's where. Now be careful not to do confirmation bias and project something upon etc But I'm going to tell you right now, there is virtually nobody in any position of government at any level that isn't. Isn't in one of the clusters.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Right.

[David Rutherford]

Period. And then start looking at. At okay, using the structure in the system, you know, voting, council meetings, etc. How do we get people removed? Doing the pro. The process the right way, it takes a lot of time, a lot of effort. Right. Takes community getting together but it's doable with short of violence and then barring that, what winds up happening historically. And this is what they're trying to push for. Right. If people don't do that then it goes to blood and we don't know if we, we the healthy saint people get wiped out and the clusters win and dominate everything which is what happened with World War II and World War I. Right. And somewhat the GWAT, although a lot of us survived and we've found ways to recover from the brain injuries and you know, the guys that have PTSD have been finding ways to recover and, and that's amazing. Your community, the SEAL communities actually kind of took the lead on that 15 years ago. And I've got to give you guys, I don't like to give you guys a lot of respect for much anything, but I got to give you that one. Right.

[E.M. Burlingame]

I, I, I will say we, we definitely took the, the construct of operator Syndrome and have been, yes. Promoting that, that reality that in a much more.

[David Rutherford]

And God bless you guys for it. Ryan. The grave race just now catching up. Right. So I mean what's interesting respect, what's.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Interesting is our community as, as a integral, you know, those, those people who are running our community have been very adamantly opposed to allowing the idea into the community on an operational level. And it's actually the different SF groups that have begun to allow Dr. Free and a lot of other people into their communities to begin to talk about it at the command level, which is.

[David Rutherford]

Well, that's because we watched the destruction to the SEAL platoon. That didn't happen.

[E.M. Burlingame]

That's right.

[David Rutherford]

Right. So but the guys that were outside the platoons, you know, and I, the guys that started one was a Green Beret, Andrew Moore. But the guys that really started me in the, in one SEAL in particular, Bob Aguiler or Bob Auello. Right. Yeah, Bob told me because I was very suicidal. Bob said I was too. He said but as the recovery goes, that signal will just go away and then one day you'll realize, realize that you don't hear it anymore. That's right. That saved my life. So for sure, the first guys, when I started back in 2019, diagnosis and then treatments and then working through identity redevelopment, all they were all seals. A couple CAD guys. Yep, couple Dev Grew guys and then Green Beret colonel and a couple. But most of the guys were SEALs. And you're absolutely right. They were all having to do it privately, they're having to do it outside. They were, you know, so yeah. So again, we need to, we the sane of communities need to do a better job of recognizing the, the insane and not just the ones on the streets, etc, but these personality ones, these clusters and then identify who in different positions of power. Start with the positions of power like judges, district attorneys, sheriffs, police chiefs, governors, mayors. It's, you know, people that have enforcement capabilities and powers Right. Start there. Really look at judges. Because people need to understand the most powerful group of people in the English civilizational system are judges.

[E.M. Burlingame]

By far.

[David Rutherford]

By, by far.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Growing up as a. My dad was an attorney and he'd been preaching that to me since I was a little boy.

[David Rutherford]

Boy, yeah.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Like you know, the people that, that control our society are the judges because they're the purveyors of the law. They're the ones administering, you know, the, the consequence of, of whatever actions they are.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah, yeah. So that's where it starts. And if we, if we fail in that. Terribly sorry. One, one little final piece. If we fail in that, then it goes to blood. And it's probably going to be a mix of both. And even if it goes to blood, we still need to do this. Don't focus on the ideologies. Yes, we got to do defense there. But the honest truth is that's not too hard. Right. We can deal with that. Right. The one, the place where we need, what we need to realize is that all the ideologies are being fueled. This whole trans thing like this gun and engravings on the bullets. That's the passport from 9 11. Yeah. It's the bloody equivalent of the passport of 9 11. That's right. You've got to be joking me. But why they do that is they get us into disgust, impurity and rage so that we're not looking at them, we're not looking at the system, we're not figuring out. And they will act like they're backing us and supporting us. The judges will do the right thing and the district. No they're not. They're just burning their low level disposables so we don't look at them. So even if, even when. And it is when and it's already started, but when this goes to blood, we have got to root out these personality. This pathocracy seat or we lose everything we can win. You know, it's like we've won every gun battle since World War II and lost every war. Right. Why this same thing? The same thing.

[E.M. Burlingame]

That's right. Is there a component like we always. I know, I think as I, I watch, you know, closely your posts, I watch Clay's posts, I watch, you know, Dale Stark's posts. I watch, you know, the, the gwat guys that I really believe have a comprehensive understanding at the, of this. Right. And they're looking at it in these types of layers, this type of societal or civilization, these underpinnings that have taken place because they've educated themselves as a recognition of, of the tool that they became themselves as a result of 9 11. Right. You know, we've moved to this point where we all seem to recognize that our, our influence on those younger males right now is pivotal. So what, what advice could you give those of us that are out there doing it, or even firefighters, police officers, even just local carpenters or welders or, or, you know, just good men, men out there? What is the messaging that we should be focused on to try and influence these young men before they're, you know, before they become victims of the pathocracy?

[David Rutherford]

Yeah. So the great question. And again, this gets back to why Charlie Kirk was assassinated yesterday. Right. You know, there's a saying in our world. Right. Right. You need to be a monster, but you have to have that monster under control at every minute, except those minutes when you get to let the monster go. Right. I said this at the bottom of the article this morning. Right. I touched on it last night, but I said at the bottom of the article about Charlie Kirk this morning, and that is that we have to do what we have to do do to root out this pathocracy. We have to do what we have to do to defend ourselves and our lands and prevent this theft of the, of the boomer's wealth. That's our wealth. That is generational wealth that belongs to us already. Doesn't need to be titled paper. No, that's, look, that's our parents and our grandparents. That wealth belongs to us and our people in these lands. So we need to prevent that. So we're going to have to do what they force us to do do. But we need to be moderate in our emotions, in our thoughts, in our actions. We cannot allow them to drive us to hate and disgust because then they're in control. Okay. I want to give a more, you know, that's a message that we need to have with the young men in a conversation and our own community because we got our own hotheads and especially guys with, you know, brain injuries and, you know, still dealing with inhibitory neuron issues and impulse control, etc. Right. And, and, and some guys, just like, they see it, they're tired, they want to do it. Right. Let's get it over with.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Right.

[David Rutherford]

Okay. There's a more sophisticated thing that I think really needs to happen, especially with people like you and Sean and others that have the higher level societal connections and relationships. Our generation of G. What guys are the equivalent of Patton and Eisenhower and those guys in World War II, because that's what's happening now? What's happening happening is we are now going into phase two of this collapse, which is our equivalent to World War II. The G Wat is the equivalent of World War I. Now we're moving into, you know, the equivalent of World War II. Okay. It's the younger guys that are going to fight and it's the wealthy elite that need these young men to stand and hold and fight because they own the assets. There's no connection or relationship between them now quite despite many of these family offices are genuinely trying to find people to fill jobs, jobs to even run companies and asset and they just can't find the quality guys. Well, gwag guys need to be doing a better job of getting to know the young men in their communities. And I've got a friend, a long time Navy diver who was with you guys, you know, with the, the teams his whole time and then he went to other special project stuff. Right. Usually those guys in the Riverine guys do.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Right, that's right. They, they are the ones who keep going, going.

[David Rutherford]

Right. Yeah. So he's doing it out in Utah and he's doing an extraordinary job and he's just, you know, filtering through these guys and, and getting to know him and understand them. And we need to be doing that with the young men and figuring out, you know, mentoring, shaping, guiding, but we also need to be doing selecting and then we need to connect them, you know, with the high net worth people who have jobs for them, companies and businesses and opportunities for them and become. Because the high net worth folks are ready to let the whole thing burn down because they can't and they're ready to let our lands be inflooded with millions, you know, tens of millions of people who shouldn't be here because they're trying to find people who will work.

[E.M. Burlingame]

That's right.

[David Rutherford]

Good quality people. Well, we got a lot of them here. It's just what's the filtering process? Right. Because school is so corrupted and, and all of the normal mechanisms we've used have been so corrupted in the last 20 years with all this dye and everything else. Right, right. So a more complex but absolutely essential is guys like us need to be doing what we do best when we go into a country and we're working with host nation and that's how we have to think. We need to be training, working with and identifying who needs to get who's good, who's solid, who needs a little guidance, who needs to get slapped a little bit, verbally or otherwise. And then we need to be introducing them to the, you know, elites here, you know, the, the asset owners in our country and getting, getting them linked together and going, hey, you know, you got this business, you've been trying to hire somebody. I got this kid over here, right, and reconnect that loyalty that, that multifamily, multi generational dependency that is a land and a people.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Interesting.

[David Rutherford]

And a lot of you guys, you know, like you and, and really Sean and some of the others, you guys do have the communications with these families, family offices, you do have, you know, with the high net worth people. And we do know that, you know, the guys like Clay and others and my friend Sam out in Utah, who Sam Brigette's actually his name, you guys, these guys are doing this, this just two connected efforts and we got to connect those two efforts together or we lose everything.

[E.M. Burlingame]

I, you know, it's fascinating. I, I go out and I go to these teams that are, are emerging and you know, the RIA space is exploding, the independent space. Everybody's bailing out of the wirehouses because they see the manipulation, the control that the main wirehouses, that the advisor is just the commodity like the client is now too. It's an abomination. So this massive movement towards independence in this area is taking place. But what I continue to see and I see a lot of like in our field firm, we are perpetually recruiting, you know, former Division 1 athletes. I think, you know, we've, since I've come on board four years ago, you know, I've got multiple Green Berets that are on the group. We just partnered with a firm out an international emerging markets organization that one of their principals is a former team guy, you know, and so it's these athletes and team guys that you know, or operators or military personnel that you're, that our organization has seen. And you know, I think it's indicative of that sales mindset, right? The go getting the alpha drive, the workaholic guy that's going to sacrifice family to, you know, do the 35 meetings a week, if you will, or whatever, going out at every night to entertain. But what I don't see is, I don't see the advisors groups hiring those guys to have them come in and, and take over their books and, or put them, connect them to their clients.

[David Rutherford]

Right, because they're intimidated.

[E.M. Burlingame]

That's right, they're intimidated. That's right. And, and it's just like man, I, I just, it's almost as if there's a, you know, like that, that because one thing I Also see, when I, when I, I, you know, before I was pretty much solely involved in this, this industry, when I would go work for major corporations and come in and do the presentations or work with her, you know, I would be like, all right, how are you recruiting? Who are you recruiting for? What's the, you know, and it was the pathocracy they were looking for.

[David Rutherford]

Yes.

[E.M. Burlingame]

They, you know, they had, they had tagged or labeled or however you want to in their interview process that if you were former military or former law enforcement or you know, former Division 1 athlete or athlete, that you would be problematic for the integration. Yeah, that's right. And you were, they, they were, they basically exercised you from, from the potential of joining the firm. And that was all by intention. And so, you know, I think now part of that, the development and mentoring these young men into those, into the belief that they can fulfill those components. I almost like want to say, you know, to almost take the Mike Rowe methodology to say, hey, you know, like, like you had commented, go work the land. Right. Figure out how to work the land. Whatever that looks like to be a plumber, an electrician, to be a builder, to be, you know, whatever that looks like to be. Become invaluable for the maintenance of, of of what the underlying foundation of society is. Right. That's where we have to drive these young.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah, that's right.

[E.M. Burlingame]

The reality.

[David Rutherford]

Yeah, that's reality. So I'm, I have a book coming out here probably next week. It's called Modern Knights Guidebook.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Oh, I love it.

[David Rutherford]

Okay. And it's. Yep. It goes into all this kind of stuff in detail. I've been having conversations with some folks and all that, you know, the young kids, I'm like, they're not even, most of them aren't concerned about college, etc. And I'm telling them, you know, there's this massive transition to these companies and these businesses go work for one of them. Go credit, you know, go, go get your, you know, learn the trade and we'll help you buy it. You know, I, I will find somebody, you know, that's right. Somebody who will help you and lend and they'll help you buy. And the owner might, if you prove yourself and, and somebody, these are businesses that are some of them 40 years old. They got a built in clientele, they got all of that. Right. Help you buy it. So that's a natural thing that's going to happen anyways. And kids, they understand college is bs Etc, Boys and girls realizing that. Right.

[E.M. Burlingame]

So, well, I told my kids I've told my kids, you know, we send them to a very nice preparatory IB school so they can get learn to think. And that way we've said them, listen, if you don't want to go to college, we're fine with that. We will fund your entrepreneurial aspect for four years, years to get you launched and going in order to have your own business. And, and here are the places, here are the people we can introduce. So we've made that very clear to our girls.

[David Rutherford]

Well, there's amazing opportunities now for young men and women that just didn't exist for the last 50 years and it's this transition, this, this demographic transition. But unfortunately private equity and, and family offices are rushing in there and they're not, they don't really have any intent to run it. They can, can't. Right. I've been around since the junk bond days and I watched what private equity did in the LBO days. Right, right. And we're still dealing with that. Give me one second. So, central theme for guys like us with the young men is we need to break this lie that has been used to destroy our young men. And we need to remind our young men they are the only actual asset but they have to develop themselves and they have to develop themselves with skill sets that are necessary to the tribe, to the community, to their families, etc, and they need to develop their martial capabilities. They don't necessarily need to go, you know, in the units and things that we did, although I recommend it for anybody, or into combat arms or even in the military, etc, but you know, they need to be trained and prepared and ready. Maybe they're not going to be frontline troops, but if comes to them, they need to be able to stand and defend and we might need to be able, you know, this is probably going, I don't see it. Not. But in some places at different times there's going to be a phone call to 30 guys. It's like we got to go boys, get your, let's go get your gear. We got to go do something. Right. And in many of those cases we got to go defend something or we got to go, we got to go re, snatch and grab somebody or we got, we got, etc.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Etc.

[David Rutherford]

Etc. So you know, what we need to remind young men is that without young men standing on a piece of land and fighting for it with guns and everything else and intelligence and knowledge and all of that and a relationship and networks because lone wolves don't do nothing but make good assassins. That's about it. That's Right. So teaching young men, breaking this lie and this illusion that's been steadily taught for the last 400 years, years, that these banks are the value, that money, the portfolios are assets, and, and that the real value is the is. And I hate to say this, what I was going to say is going to tick some people off, but that the real assets, the women. No, it ain't. Women can be replaced. Young men that can fight for. And this historically accurate, young men who stand and fight for the land and are capable of fighting, those are not replaceable. You cannot replace them with foreigners. It has never worked in history. Street.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Yep.

[David Rutherford]

Right. So. And I'm not saying young women aren't important and women aren't important. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying though is what we have to do is we have to. And everything we're doing is let these young men know, no, you're already an asset. You are already the asset. Don't let anybody convince you otherwise. Now what you need to do is improve the value of that asset. And here's the things that you can do. And that needs to be message after message after message after message. We got to cut through, cut through, cut through. And if we take a step back and look at all these ideologies and everything that's being done, it's actually specifically to prevent that very message. Young men, you are the value in the asset. And here's things don't have to be wild crazy. You don't have to go to Harvard, you don't have to go into seals. You don't have to do all this. You can improve your asset value every single day substantively by doing just some simple things, just by improving yourself. And here's some men in your community. Community, right. And there's all kinds of these men trying to do things, right? To help out. Here's some men in your community might want to go build a relationship with because they can guide you, accelerate, connect you, all of that. And we need to connect from there again. We need to connect with these, you know, asset owners that have businesses and companies and go, hey, I got a good guy for you and I vetted him, right? Because that's the other thing, right? Men have to vet. Mention men, not hr, right? Not some die program, not some government, no school men, vet men, period. You, you and I know that well, right? We've been through numerous vetting processes.

[E.M. Burlingame]

That's right.

[David Rutherford]

Right. And then there's that saying, I don't know if you guys have in the seals in the Green Berets, we have a saying. Every day of your life, once you come into this world, right into this life, and you choose this path, every day of your life thereafter is. Is you are being assessed for another selection event that you don't even know about. That's right. And you might get a tap on the shoulder one day and says, hey, you know what? I'm gonna go talk about this. There's some other stuff we can be doing. And it doesn't all have to be Secret Squirrel kind of. You know what I mean? It's just investment opportunity. There's a business opportunity, right? Yeah.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Hey, I need you to go be a part of this collective that's going to till this land into something significant.

[David Rutherford]

That's it. Yeah. Yeah.

[E.M. Burlingame]

Em, man, I. I look forward to our conversations. Every time I look, every article that you post, I. I appreciate you more than you could possibly fathom. I think you're bringing clarity to this whole situation in ways that other people just don't have the capacity or the willingness to step forth onto the breach like you are. And so I'm honored to be your acquaintance and. And hopefully developing a friendship. And I just. I respect the hell out of you and what you're doing, so. So thank you so much.

[David Rutherford]

I just want to say that I'm probably borderline and I don't know how much danger I'm getting into, so I'll just keep going until.

[E.M. Burlingame]

All right, well, on that note, thank you.

[David Rutherford]

All right, take care, dude.

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