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Lisa Booth
Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth where we cut through the noise and we try to get to the heart of what's really happening today. We're going to dive into all of the big stories with my guest, Clay Travis. He's the founder of Outkick and the host of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. He's also my colleague from Fox News. So we're going to talk a little bit about the Tennessee Volunteers prospects this football season because Clay Travis is a huge Tennessee guy and I went to the University of Tennessee. So we're going to cover the big topics, football. We're also going to talk about the COVID up of Joe Biden's health. Obviously, this books out Jake Tapper, Alex Thompson, everyone's talking about it. So we'll get Clay's take about the COVID up of Joe Biden's health. We'll also unpack President Trump's push for peace in the Middle east using that momentum he had from the Abraham Accords striking all these business deals in the Middle East. Why this business first approach might just rewrite the region's future. Plus, we'll tackle the latest on tariffs. Also, we're going to get into nil reform in college sports. Has that ruined college sports? Buckle up. It's time for the Truth with Lisa Booth and Clay Travis. Well, Clay Travis, it's great to have you on the show. Appreciate you making the time.
Ryan Seacrest
Appreciate you continuing to dominate. I think the last time I saw you was in New York City and you were wearing a Tennessee orange ish outfit. So. So hopefully we'll have some games to celebrate this fall. But in the meantime, I got a little bit of time.
Lisa Booth
So that was actually going to be my first question to you. We'll get the important stuff out of the way first. How do you think Tennessee will do this year?
Ryan Seacrest
Well, so did you pay attention as a four, as an alum to the drama surrounding Nico and what was going to happen? I mean, it was such a big story. It was hard to miss. And so I think there's a lot of question about the quarterback position, the over under, you know, you know, you know, I love sports gambling and have been involved in sports gambling for a long time is eight and a half wins. I think that's probably about accurate. I think they'll go 8 and 4 or 9 and 3. I think they'll struggle as usual to beat Alabama and Florida on the road. So I would put losses in there. Georgia, Tennessee has not been very good at for a long time. Georgia obviously very good that game is in Knoxville. So I would probably say that is going to end up being a loss too. And then they should win the rest. So I again, I think eight and a half, nine wins is probably a fair estimation. So I would say 8 and 4, 9 and 3. Not bad, but not, not elite.
Lisa Booth
So I shouldn't purchase SEC championship.
Ryan Seacrest
Not purchase SEC championship tickets again. And then. And then have me buy them and give them to. To. To deserving a dad and a son. Which was a very positive way to end that story. By the way. For people who don't know you bought a couple of years ago SEC championship game tickets thinking Tennessee was going to be there and then Tennessee was not there and. And so we ended up giving tickets to a dessert. Was he an LSU fan? I think an LSU fan guy. Yeah.
Lisa Booth
Yeah. So basically I got a little excited watching because we beat Bama.
Ryan Seacrest
Yep.
Lisa Booth
And then so I got a little too over my skis and so I like bought these like sick tickets to the SEC championship and then we did not make it and I was like trying to offload them and I was texting like everyone I knew and was like trying to figure out how to get, you know, how to like get someone to buy them. And then I texted Clay and he was like, well, let me buy them. Like we'll give them away to someone and. Which was really sweet of you by the way. You have a good.
Ryan Seacrest
You're gonna, you're gonna kill my reputation that I'm doing nice things. So.
Lisa Booth
Yeah, but. And we. We found this guy who. Special forces guy, you know, he was suffering from TBI and you know, but just really good guy. And he took his son and did the best time. I did pay for the hotel because I didn't want to be like a total cheap ass. But it was really. It actually ended up being really cool and that was really nice of you to do. So it ended up turning my ill advised decision into, you know, something that was really nice. So appreciate and that was really kind.
Ryan Seacrest
But yeah, well, I like to see I'm a. I'm a sucker for. Since I'm a dad of three. Anytime dads andor moms who are sports fans get to go with young kids to games. I just remember I've talked about this before but. And I'm sure you feel the same way. You remember things so much better when you're like 11, 12, 10, 13, whatever. When you get to do super fun things in a way that doesn't resonate the same way for whatever reason as when you're 23 or 33 or whatever, when you become older and more of an adult. And so I still remember some of those awesome trips to games that I got to go on when I was 11 or 12 better than I do, you know, games that I went to three or four years ago. It's really kind of crazy.
Lisa Booth
Well, and it's also, you know, so I grew up with my. Like, I grew up going to Caps game. You know, I had three brothers, right. So I played sports my whole life. Was always kind of like, you know, the girl that, like, had a bow in my hair, but then would, like, roll around in the mud and, like, kick soccer balls and throw football, you know, that kind of thing. But. And played sports. But so I. We grew. You know, we went up Caps games with my dad growing up. And I remember my brother. My older brother and I, we saw a drug bust outside of the Caps game, and we thought it was. We thought it was like, the coolest. Like, that was, like, the highlight. And we came home and like, told my mom. My mom was like, what?
Ryan Seacrest
That's. Was that when the cat. Did the Caps play where they do now? Or was it because people forget, like, that arena that they have now used to be in a really rough neighborhood and. And then it eventually got. Got pretty nice. But. But, you know, it was. It was not a very safe place to be after hours sometimes.
Lisa Booth
Yeah, I don't remember. Honestly, I'm 40. It was so long ago. But. And then also Slap Shot signed my cast on the jumbotron. And I thought I was like, that.
Ryan Seacrest
Would be super cool if you could find that video.
Lisa Booth
Yeah. Like, I was like, oh, man. Like, this is a big moment. Yes, I'm on the jumbotron.
Ryan Seacrest
It is pretty cool. I got my. I got my boys on the jumbotron a couple of times. The Braves, to their credit, during COVID when they wouldn't let anybody in the stadium, it was really pretty badass. They still had kids doing, like, the, hey, let's, you know, toss it to the Braves on television. They put it on the jumbotron even though there were no. No fans there. And they let my son say, hey, I'm, you know, Lincoln Travis. This is the Atlanta Braves game or whatever. Like, it's time to play ball. And I mean, that's pretty badass. Yeah, for sure.
Lisa Booth
Especially, like, when you're a kid, it's totally like, it's. And like, even as an adult, but, like, you know, when you're a kid particularly, it's like, very. And you get to like, tell all your friends at school. And it's, you know, it's very cool. All right, so Clay, Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson have this book out about the COVID up of Joe Biden's health. Did you know that Joe Biden wasn't doing well?
Ryan Seacrest
I had a sneaky suspicion that I talked about incessantly for four straight years on my radio show, as well as tweeting videos that I was told were cheap fakes and that I was a purveyor of misinformation and disinformation for years, as I know you were on top of this also. And, and somehow all of us were able to see what Jake Tapper and most of the members of the Washington, D.C. press corps were unable to see, which is Joe Biden was not mentally or physically able to do the job of President of the United States.
Lisa Booth
It's pretty wild to profit off of something that they knew all along. Yes, getting rewarded for.
Ryan Seacrest
You know, I think it's a great point, but you know what I think it is, Lisa? Like, even beyond that is he profited in both directions, right? Because as long as he was helping to prop up the weekend at Bernie's presidency of Joe Biden, they would give him good guests. So his CNN show, in theory, got access to better newsmaking guests because he was in good standing with the Democrat Party, because he was willing to tell the lies that were necessary to stay in good standing. And as soon as Joe Biden's political career was over and as soon as Kamala Harris lost and there was now going to be four years where no one was in power in either of those sort of, sort of universes, then they could tell the truth. And it was so eminently predictable that this would happen. I said, and, and I don't know how you would break this down, but if you think about villainy, like, who's to blame? To me, the media is number one. And, and let me tell you why I would make that case. Because their job is to speak truth to power. I think that they are over and above beyond anybody who lied about Joe Biden's physical, mental deterioration. Like, I expect that the people that surround Joe Biden wouldn't say, hey, guess what? You know what? He's like a shamble of the person that he used to be, because that would be super disloyal once he was already elected to sit around and, and lie about him now. So I put media number one on the blame chart because their job is to challenge and to be adversarial. To people in power. But the person who's inside of the Biden team, to me, it's Jill. I mean, what. See, I put her at two because the reason is. And I'll. Let's. Let's. Let's talk about this. But I put her at number one in the administration because she was clearly aware of what was going on. But he is not supposed to be adversarial, which is why I have her at number one inside of the Biden team. But I think the media is worse.
Lisa Booth
And.
Ryan Seacrest
And look, I think what she told herself, and tell me if you buy this thesis, first of all, I think she's not a good person. And. And I think that she should be severely questioned and blamed about all of this. But I think what she told herself was she convinced herself that. That Donald Trump was Hitler and that her husband was the only thing that stood between Hitler and America descending into Nazi Germany. And we all know that's a joke, but I think that's what she convinced herself of. And so if that were the choice, is Joe Biden, even in a diminished mental and physical state, better than Adolf Hitler? In her mind, the answer was probably yes. And I think she looked around, knew Kamala was not up to the job, and said, nobody else can beat Trump. Joe might be able to do it. I'm going to help cover up everything about it.
Lisa Booth
See, I think she's just so fame and power hungry that she was willing to sacrifice her husband to public humiliation to get it. And I think that's what.
Ryan Seacrest
I think that's a read. And that's an argument that's legit, too. And I buy into a lot of that as well.
Lisa Booth
And, like, I think if you love your husband, your number one, like, if you're a wife and a mom, like, your number one job is to protect your family.
Ryan Seacrest
Yep.
Lisa Booth
You know, and. And like, your number. And so if you see your husband in that sort of deteriorated state, I'm like, I'm gonna be like, hey, babe, we don't need this. You know, we've got enough money. Like, life's good. Go do speeches, write books. Let's go. You know, we can go spend all the time on the beach, adult, like, whatever. Right. Like, let's ride off in the sunset. You know, Like, I agree with you. Legacy as it is.
Ryan Seacrest
You know, I talked to my wife a couple of years ago. I mean, this goes to how much we talked about it, not only in on the show, but also privately. And I said, hey, I do three hours a day of radio I'm 46. Hopefully I've got, you know, 30 years of being fairly solid mentally still to go. But I said, you're going to notice if I start to deteriorate, as all spouses do, before probably most people in public will, because think about it. I mean, this was the argument I made, Lisa, for why it had to be so much worse behind closed doors. We only saw Joe Biden About 5% of the day, and they were doing everything they could to make him look the best that they possibly could, and it was still an awful look. And so I told her, I said, look, imagine what's going on behind closed doors. I said, look, we're in a good spot. Like, I'm not going to need to work to. To. To, you know, we'll have enough money. Like, we can, to your point, go hang out at the beach or whatever else. But if you start to see that I have lost my fastball, tell me, like, sit down with me and say, hey, I think it's time to hang it up. And I had that conversation because I watched what was going on with Joe Biden, and I don't ever want to be in public a shell of the person, because we have kind of public jobs that I had been before. Yeah.
Lisa Booth
And, like, and you. You should. Yeah. And your wife is the person who was, like, you know, supposed to have your back on that, which I know your wife would. But clearly Joe Biden, you know, was more interested in being able to fly an Air1 and, you know, having all the power and the fame, and she may have been.
Ryan Seacrest
Lisa, here's the question that nobody's taking the next step to. If Joe Biden is clearly. And I know this is a question we asked, but I haven't heard very many people in the legacy media asking this. If he's unable to do the job of president, which at a minimum, he was certainly not able to do the job 23 and 24. Who was actually making all the incredibly difficult decisions that the president has to make? Was it Jill? I mean, look at him on the.
Lisa Booth
I think she's smart enough. Like, well, maybe also here's the thing, too. Like, they're so dumb. Like, I saw the quote from David Plouffe saying that, you know, Joe Biden totally F'd them. Obviously, he was an advisor for Kamala and then also for Obama in 2008. You're an idiot, David. Like. Like, plus, though he did not, he helped you. The longer Kamala Harris would have been in that race, those numbers would have looked even Worse for her, he did them a favor by dropping out late. And then also beyond that, he screwed them by picking her as the vp. That's when he F'd them over because they were stuck with the first female, first black vice president. They were never getting rid of her because they're the party dei. So that's when he screwed them. If they had a viable alternative, then, you know, maybe they would have done better. But, you know, it's like they still don't understand it.
Ryan Seacrest
No, you're right. I mean, the longer Kamala had to be the. The nominee, the worse I think it would have gone for her. And remember, they tried to hide her, too. They tried to echo the Joe Biden 2020 campaign, except they had covet as an excuse then so they could his interaction. But they spent a billion and a half dollars in three months, and Kabul lost ground in all 50 states. Think about how crazy that is if you. They spent way more money than the Trump team. The Trump team has said, hey, if we had Kamala money, and it may be well true, they said, hey, we would have won New Jersey and we would have won Virginia. They lost both those states, I think, by five. But they just didn't have the resources to be able to pour into as many states as Kamala did. And if they had had her money, if they've been able to outspend Kamala, they think that they would have been able to run up the margin even more.
Lisa Booth
Yeah, she's probably going to go down as one of the worst presidential candidates in. In history, certainly in modern politics. I wanted to ask you about this Middle east tour or. A colleague from Fox Trainings tweeted, there is a massive momentum shift happening right now in the Middle East. Real opportunities for peace and diplomacy. Obviously, this comes as the President's been in the Middle East. You know, we know that he got the Abraham Accords done during his first term. Why do you think that President Trump is able and can broker peace where other presidents have failed?
Ryan Seacrest
Because I think he focuses on the deal more than he focuses on the politics surrounding the deal. And I don't think that gets talked about enough. Ultimately, Trump is and has spent most of his career negotiating deals. And you know this because you've been around him. He's actually an incredibly likable guy face to face. And I think so much of these deals with foreign leaders come down to a large extent to personal relationships, because there's so many different moving parts. There's so many subsidiary individuals involved. Ultimately, when you're Doing a deal with somebody, it comes down to, do you trust the primary principal person on the other side of the table? And also maybe do you like them? And so I think Trump understands and respects the, the Saudi, the UAE and the Qatar individuals who are super strong business people. Right. I think you strip away everything else. Business people speak a common language, and I think they connect on, hey, let's figure out ways to make we're capitalist. And I think Trump respects that, and so I think that works on that level. And then also, I think he's not hamstrung by what people said in the past, because Trump, uniquely for a politician, is not a grudge guy. I mean, J.D. vance compared him to Hitler, and he's the VP, right? There are a lot of people in politics who, if you've ever said anything negative about them, they remember it for the rest of their career. Trump is transactional in the sense that he may say something bad about you, you may say something bad about him, but when it comes time to get a deal done, he's willing to sit across the table from you and hammer out a deal. So I think it's being willing to reject all of the past history and just focus on, hey, do I trust these individuals? Are they business people? And typically, what do business people want? They want to create environments where more money is made. Where is more money usually made? Usually it's in peace. It's not in war, unless you're a defense contractor. And so I, I think all that factors together. And, and I'm cautiously optimistic that Trump may be able to solve some of the issues in the Middle east and make it a safer, healthier place to do business and live. I also think, Lisa, Trump is not all in on having some sort of religious aspect to this, and that might sound a little bit controversial to some people, but when you're talking about the Jews and you're talking about the Muslims in the Middle East, I don't think Trump has some strong affiliation with either the Jewish faith or the Muslim faith, such that he feels like he has to make a choice on a religious basis. I think he's focused more on the business side than the religious element. And given the fact that you toss in typically a Christian president from the United States, you've got three different religions, sometimes pulling in three different ways. And I think Trump is more focused on the commerce and the business side than the religious aspects, which I think is helpful.
Lisa Booth
Well, it's also interesting because, you know, he was able to improve his numbers with both Jewish voters and with, with, you know, Muslim voters as well. We've got more with Clay Travis. But first, I want to change gears for just a moment and talk about Israel. It's now the month of May, and 80 years ago this very month, the horror of the Holocaust, the final solution, came to an end. But did you know that half of all Holocaust survivors live in Israel? The pain of the past is now intensified today by October 7 and the rise of anti Semitism everywhere. And along with other elderly Jews, thousands in Israel live below the poverty line. There's no safety net. That's why I support the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. The fellowship provides a lifeline to those precious ones in the form of hot meals and boxes full of healthy food. And for only $25, you can help provide a food box. Better yet, $335 provides hot meals for an entire year. To give generously, call 888-488-IFCJ 888-488-4325. Or you can also go online to give at IFCJ. That's ifcj.org.
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Lisa Booth
There was a line from his speech in Saudi Arabia that I thought was great, where he said that he wanted to forge a future where the Middle east is defined by commerce, not chaos. Sort of to your point. And I think what's really interesting about him, and I'd love your input on this, is how he sees these economic deals as a means to national security. Like this understanding that if you're in business together, there's this mutual desire for stability in the region and sort of tying those two together, that's really unique to his background as a business guy. You know, when you. What do you think about that?
Ryan Seacrest
I think it's totally true. And you know, I'm an old school history nerd. You know what the number one way that kingdoms used to align themselves in old history, historical terms to try to avoid war, they would marry their sons and daughters to each other. And, and it doesn't get talked about that much anymore, but the goal to try to keep France very single. So, yeah, yeah, you need. Yeah, maybe there's a, maybe there's a kingdom. You can be married, man.
Lisa Booth
You know.
Ryan Seacrest
You know, it's funny, but we don't think about it as much now, but it actually does make a lot of sense. Right. Because they would say, well, if your grandson is going to end up being the king of, of France, you're probably less likely to invade if you're in charge of England or vice versa. Right. Just to use some of the examples. Examples there. And the, the commerce example, I would say is some form of a modern business relationship. Those, those were business relationships and they were political in nature. But the idea was you both had something to lose and something dear to you that mattered. And in a capitalistic context, you know, before the, the era really kind of fell apart. Thomas Friedman had a theory which was super interesting. And it was two countries that had a McDonald's had never gone to war before. And it was using McDonald's as sort of a metaphor for global connection and a common language that you could speak. Now, it has ended since. But, but I do think that Trump, looking at it from the commerce perspective, is, is more likely to be able to speak a common language than people trying to look at it through the prism of maybe religion or geopolitical history. And let me, you know, I was in Israel in December. I don't know if you've been to Israel. I'd never been before.
Lisa Booth
I'm not. I've always wanted to go.
Ryan Seacrest
Okay, so it's an amazing tr. What stood out to me when I was walking through the old city of Jerusalem is the incredibly important site of, of the Muslim faith. The Christian faith and the Jewish faith are all like 200 yards apart. So it, you know, we have this huge global world now, but basically the three religions that are constantly at each other's throats over the last thousand years or beyond are all within just a few hundred yards of each other in this cradle of civilization, cradle of religion, in the old city of Jerusalem. And the Reason why I bring it up is it was amazing to see it in person and think about how much passion, how much emotion, how much raw, raw, just spirituality is embedded in such a close area area. And then getting people to change their minds about that in any way, when you've got the afterlife involved and everlasting at times, disagreement, I don't know that you can solve a religious issue. Leading with religion. And so I think leading with commerce actually allows there to be a common language in a way that is different than it would be if you are looking at it through the prism of, well, this is the Jewish faith's land, this is the, the Muslim faith's land. This is where the Christians are. And, and I think Trump is doing that, and I think it allows him to speak a common language without having to trod on thousands of years of historical rancor. And I think that's unique about him.
Lisa Booth
Well, and also, like, I was just thinking about this, you have these cultures, too, where, like, you know, the men are very much men. You know, you can. Or, you know, there's obviously, there's abuse and things that aren't that great. But, you know, point being is, you know, you've got a lot of these, you know, cultures where, like, the men are men and, like, Trump's a man. Right. In a way that Biden wasn't and Obama was not. And so I'm sure there's probably, like, a respect there where, you know, Trump's the successful business guy, he's very masculine.
Ryan Seacrest
Think about this, Lisa. It's a good analogy. What has Saudi Arabia done to try to ingratiate itself with the larger world? They've brought wwe, AKA wrestling. They brought major combat sports, UFC and boxing, to the kingdom, and certainly Qatar, we saw with the World cup in 2022. Am I right about that? I think I am. And, and you look at all of these different setups that have happened, and I think they connect on sports, too. And sports is certainly a world of commerce. It's also another common language. You and I started off talking about, you know, the University of Tennessee football. If you're walking around in the south and you go into a meeting. I live in Nashville. One of the things you could probably most talk about with people in that meeting is college football before you start talking about other things. And when you establish in some way a commonality of language, it can sometimes be disarming in terms of trying to negotiate about something more significant.
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I wanted to ask you about the tariffs. You know, we've seen recent news, obviously with the deal with the UK and then also some movement with China as well. Clearly, there was a moment of absolute freak out with the media and a lot of people. What do you think people will say about the tariffs at the end of his term, at the end of his administration?
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Well, you know, Hindsight will be 2020 if the stock market is doing well, if unemployment is low, if inflation is low. I think they'll say Trump tried to address something that is a major issue and most politicians talk a big game and then avoid making difficult decisions. And I would say, Lisa, there are three things that Trump is trying to address in a relatively short period of Time that most politicians would sh. Shy from, shy away from. One is the border and immigration policy, which is broken. And a lot of people talk a big game, and then they get in and they don't want to change anything because it's politically difficult. Another is politics of trade, the trade imbalances and the issues that have. Have grown and become bigger and bigger in the generation as China has come on the world stage. And I would say the third is the budget. And so if you look at Trump in the first 120, 150 days, he went after the budget with Doge in a way that we've never before. He aggressively went after immigration, shut down the southern border. It doesn't get talked about at all now, but he basically made it the most secure it's ever been in our nation's history and then tried to go about getting out. I asked Tom Holman. He says there's 20 million illegals. He's trying to get the 20 million illegals, certainly the most violent among them, out as rapidly as he can. And he's also trying to fix generational trade imbalances. And those are all three things that politicians talk about in campaigns and usually get into office and avoid because it's hard to change systemic structural issues that have become a major hindrance for the nation. And I think Trump sees it as, this is his opportunity to get things done in the first two years, and he's going to move fast and break things.
Lisa Booth
Before we go, since we started with sports, we'll end with sports as well. I wanted to get your take on the nil deals in college athletics. We've seen people like former Alabama coach Nick Saban talk about how, you know, he's worried about how it's impacting college athletics. You know, arguing that there's sort of this lack of competitive balance with some schools being able to spend significantly more on nil deals than others, and that this disparity is creating an unequal playing field. He's called for Congress to act to make it equal across the board, and even asked for President Trump to step in. Do they have a role in this? And, and how has nil changed college sports?
Ryan Seacrest
Okay, so first of all, nil is a broad category. Nil. I don't know if you know Olivia Dunn. She's now former LSU gymnast. She's going to be on the COVID of the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue. Really good, looking super popular on social media. What she does is actually nil. She gets deals with. And you're probably going to know these Brands better than me. Is it Viora? It's, you know, like she's, she's, she's wearing the different, the gear and she's advertising for them. That is nil. Right? If you got a Windy sponsorship, that's nil. Name, image and likeness. If you sold your autograph, that's nil. What really nil has become what Livy Dunn and Olivia Dunn at LSU has done is nil. What has been classified as nil is actually just pay for play, which is, hey, I want you to play quarterback for me. I'm going to give you $3 million. Hey, I want you to play linebacker, wide receiver, defensive back. Whatever it is, is, here's several hundred thousand dollars. And so the game of college sports is predicated from a popularity perspective on the competition itself. Lisa I've argued for a long time, sports is the only business I can think of where you don't want to put the team that you compete against out of business. Right? Like if I run Walmart, I wanted Kmart to go into the ground. I want Target to go bankrupt. If I'm at McDonald's, I want Wendy's, Burger King to go bankrupt because I'm kicking their ass so much. In sports, if you're too dominant, then people don't watch as much. The competition is actually the business. And so what Nick Saban is getting to and what a lot of these guys are sitting around and talking about is, well, the reason salary caps exist in the NBA, in the NFL, in the NHL, soccer in the United States is because otherwise the richest guy just buys all the best players and the competition is not as good. And the concern right now in sports is the richest schools are just going to go get all the best players and the overall quality of competition is going to collapse. Because If I have $100 million to spend on my team and you only have 5 million, or vice versa, you should kick my ass all the time because your players are going to be way better than mine. And so they're trying to restore some form of competitive balance in a new world where suddenly players can be paid with something other than college scholarships to attend schools.
Lisa Booth
That makes sense. Do you think Congress or President Trump would get involved?
Ryan Seacrest
Well, so I think what they should do is if they could give an antitrust exemption, and this is getting into the weeds a little bit. But right now, every time somebody tries to restrict compensation for players, the players sue and say, well, you guys can't all come together and restrict how much I make because there is no collective bargaining agreement and again, getting in the weeds a little bit. The only reason, say, LeBron James can't sue the NBA because he's been underpaid during his tenure is because there's a collective bargaining agreement. And what it really does does is keep the best players from making as much as they otherwise would, but it elevates the lower tier players so that they make more. It's kind of the purpose of a union in general, right? That's what the players union does. There is no players union in college athletics. So if they could say, hey, there's no antitrust violations, then all these schools can get together and say, hey, everybody's going to have the same budget. Each of you gets $20 million to pay on play. Paid players, people still do well, but you don't get into a situation where what I think is inevitable is a billionaire. You know Tim Cook went to Auburn, right? He's the CEO of Apple. If Tim Cook decided, hey, I'm going to give a billion dollars to Auburn, they would get the best players every year. And it might be good if you're an Auburn fan, but if you're an Alabama fan or if you're a Tennessee fan or if you're an LSU fan or Georgia, somebody that's playing Auburn many years and competing with them in many sports, well, that's not very fair because they're always going to have the best players. We want, I think a competitive playing field. But where it comes down to how good are your coaches, how good are your recruiting, how well are you developing players? Not simply can you go pay the most money to get the best players, then it devalues the overall competition and people in theory are going to care less.
Lisa Booth
Clay Travis, I think we solve the world's problems, I hope. Yeah, always great to have you on. Always smart and interesting. Hope to run into you soon around Fox. Appreciate you making the time, Clay.
Ryan Seacrest
No doubt you keep up the good work. I'm always impressed how well you do too. And go Vols.
Lisa Booth
Oh, it's Clay Travis. Appreciate him for making the time to come on the show. Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday. But you can listen throughout the week. Until next time.
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Podcast Summary: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Episode: The Truth with Lisa Booth: Biden's Health, Trump's Peace Strategy, and the Future of College Sports with Clay Travis
Release Date: May 15, 2025
In this episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, hosted by Lisa Booth, Clay Travis delves into pressing issues spanning politics, sports, and current events. The conversation navigates through the Tennessee Volunteers' football prospects, the controversies surrounding President Joe Biden's health, former President Donald Trump's strategies for peace in the Middle East, recent tariff implementations, and the evolving landscape of college sports in light of NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness) reforms.
[04:09] Lisa Booth: "How do you think Tennessee will do this year?"
Clay Travis offers his insights into the Tennessee Volunteers' upcoming football season, addressing the team's performance and potential challenges.
[04:18] Clay Travis: "I think they'll go 8 and a half wins. Probably about 8 and 4 or 9 and 3. Not bad, but not elite."
He anticipates a solid performance but underscores the team's struggles against formidable opponents like Alabama and Florida, predicting potential losses in high-stakes games.
[05:13] Lisa Booth: "So I shouldn't purchase SEC championship tickets."
Clay humorously reflects on past optimism about Tennessee's championship chances, sharing a personal anecdote about ticket mishaps and the subsequent charitable outcome.
[09:15] Lisa Booth: "Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson have this book out about the COVID up of Joe Biden's health. Did you know that Joe Biden wasn't doing well?"
The discussion shifts to the recent revelations about President Biden's health, critiquing media portrayals and questioning the transparency of his administration regarding his physical and mental state.
[09:34] Clay Travis: "Jake Tapper... was not mentally or physically able to do the job of President of the United States."
He argues that both public perceptions and private observations indicate significant concerns about Biden's capacity to lead, emphasizing a perceived lack of accountability within the media and his administration.
[10:11] Clay Travis: "I put media number one on the blame chart because their job is to challenge and to be adversarial... they lied about Joe Biden's physical, mental deterioration."
Travis places substantial responsibility on the media for failing to critically assess and report on the President's health, suggesting a collusion to maintain his political positioning.
[17:57] Lisa Booth: "Why do you think President Trump is able to broker peace where other presidents have failed?"
Clay Travis examines former President Trump's unique approach to Middle Eastern diplomacy, attributing his potential success to his business-oriented mindset and personal rapport with regional leaders.
[18:32] Clay Travis: "Trump focuses on the deal more than he focuses on the politics surrounding the deal."
He highlights Trump's emphasis on commerce and trust-building, arguing that this strategy fosters stability and mutual economic interests, which are pivotal for lasting peace.
[27:17] Clay Travis: "Trump is more likely to be able to speak a common language than people trying to look at it through the prism of maybe religion or geopolitical history."
Travis underscores Trump's ability to navigate complex relationships by prioritizing business and economic ties over entrenched political and religious conflicts, facilitating a conducive environment for negotiations.
[37:13] Lisa Booth: "What do you think people will say about the tariffs at the end of his term, at the end of his administration?"
The conversation turns to the implementation and future implications of tariffs under Trump's administration, evaluating their impact on trade balances and national economic health.
[37:36] Clay Travis: "They made the most secure it's ever been in our nation's history and then tried to go about getting out."
Travis praises the administration's aggressive stance on immigration and trade, positing that such decisive actions address systemic issues that previous administrations may have neglected.
[39:19] Lisa Booth: "We've got to take a quick commercial break. But first, when a mother with an unplanned pregnancy is deciding about the future of her unborn child..."
Note: This timestamp seems to be misaligned with the topic. Assuming the continuation relates to NIL reforms.
[40:02] Clay Travis: "NIL has become what Livy Dunn and Olivia Dunn at LSU has done is NIL."
Travis elaborates on the complexities of NIL deals, critiquing the commercialization of college sports and its ramifications on competitive balance. He argues that unchecked spending by affluent institutions undermines the integrity and fairness of collegiate athletics.
[42:38] Lisa Booth: "Do you think Congress or President Trump would get involved?"
Travis discusses potential legislative interventions to regulate NIL agreements, suggesting that standardized budgets could restore competitive equity across universities, preventing wealthier schools from monopolizing top talent.
[44:40] Lisa Booth: "Clay Travis, I think we solve the world's problems, I hope."
In concluding the sports segment, Travis reiterates the necessity for balanced regulations to ensure that college sports remain competitive and equitable for all institutions involved.
The episode offers a multifaceted exploration of current issues, blending sports analysis with deep dives into political controversies and international diplomacy. Clay Travis provides candid opinions and unfiltered perspectives, challenging mainstream narratives and advocating for transparency and equitable practices across various sectors.
Notable Quotes:
Clay Travis on Tennessee Football:
"[04:18] 'I think they'll go 8 and a half wins. Probably about 8 and 4 or 9 and 3. Not bad, but not elite.'”
Clay Travis on Biden's Health:
"[09:34] 'Jake Tapper... was not mentally or physically able to do the job of President of the United States.'"
Clay Travis on Media Responsibility:
"[10:11] 'I put media number one on the blame chart because their job is to challenge and to be adversarial... they lied about Joe Biden's physical, mental deterioration.'"
Clay Travis on Trump's Peace Strategy:
"[18:32] 'Trump focuses on the deal more than he focuses on the politics surrounding the deal.'"
Clay Travis on NIL Reforms:
"[40:02] 'NIL has become what Livy Dunn and Olivia Dunn at LSU has done is NIL.'"
This comprehensive summary encapsulates the core discussions and viewpoints presented in the episode, offering listeners a clear understanding of the topics covered without delving into the advertisements and non-content segments.