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The Truth with Lisa Boothe: Censured For Telling the Truth with Rep. Laurel Libby
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Lisa
Has become ground zero in the fight to keep men out of women's sports. The state, especially the governor there, Janet Mills, has defied President Trump's executive order regarding Title 9 to do just that to keep men out of women's sports. And we saw this disagreement really escalate during a recent White House meeting with governors. President Trump specifically called out Mills for what she's doing, what the state of Maine is doing. And in response the governor said this I'll see you in court. Now the state's being investigated and well, things are going down, so to speak. But one state representative is taking a strong stance in support of women, in support of what President Trump is doing and as a result, the Democrat controlled House censored her for calling out a high school male athlete who transitioned to compete in the girls pole vault this year as a result of switching over to women's sports. Well, guess what? He won the Class B state championship. So what she did, what her next guest did, is she posted about it. That's all she did. She posted her social media saying this is wrong, calling out the fact that switching to women's sports helped this young man win. That's all she did. And as a result, she's had her voting rights revoked by the Democrats in the state House. So we'll hear her perspective on this issue, why she refuses to back down. She's doubling down. And we'll talk about her statement, ground zero and all of this. Where does this go politically, electorally, particularly looking ahead at the midterms. So stay tuned for Maine State Representative Laurel Libby. Well, Representative Libby, it's great to have you on the show. I've been following your story and I also saw that you opposed vaccine laws and mask mandates. So I was like, I need to get her on the show. So I, I can't wait to dig into everything that's happening in your state and, you know, what you've been through. I just really appreciate you making the time.
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Laurel Libby
Absolutely. Thanks so much for having me on. Yeah. We have a long history of tyranny. There's all kinds of stuff we could talk about regarding Maine.
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Lisa
It sounds fun there. Fun in parentheses, right? All right, well, let's start at the beginning. So Maine's Democrat controlled House, they voted to censure you and strip you of your voting rights. Why? Let's start from the beginning. Give us the backstory.
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Laurel Libby
Yeah. So about a month ago now, President Trump issued an executive order that biological males could not participate in girls sports. Common sense policy finally being implemented. But the powers that be in Maine, namely the Maine Principals association, came out several days later and said, we are not going to abide by this eo. We are going to continue with our policy that allows biological males to participate in girls sports. And so I shared that information online and a couple folks reached out to me and said, you know, there is a biological male who is probably going to win a girls pole vault championship here in our state in a couple of weeks. And so, sure enough, he did. And that night that he won the girls state championship for pole vault in Maine, I posted side by side images of this young man the previous year pole vaulting as a male standing on the podium in fifth place at a regional meet. And then that night's photo standing at the top of the podium with the first place win as competing, supposedly as a girl. And that post, of course, sent shock waves not just across Maine, but across the country. And the Democrats in Maine decided to censure me, as you say, silence my voice and my vote, as they said, because I posted photos of a minor. But we all know the real reason is they don't want to talk about this policy because of how unpopular it is.
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Lisa
Well, and the irony is. So they voted to revoke your voting rights in the House, and then the Democrat speaker ended up deleting his ex account after trying to silence you. So, you know, kind of hilarious that in an effort to silence you, he ended up silencing himself, I would presume, because of the backlash he was receiving.
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Laurel Libby
Yeah, a tremendous backlash, folks. You know, looking at the big picture, folks don't support biological males and girls sports. And so, you know, folks reacted strongly and in defense of girls, in defense of women's rights in our state. And so then when you have a speaker who silenced a woman for speaking up for girls, that was very unpopular, again, not among the Democrat majority in Augusta, but certainly among my fellow Mainers who have been speaking up vigorously in my defense.
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Lisa
And what sort of reaction have you seen? I saw online that it looked like there was a rally in support of keeping men out of women's sports. It looked like there were hundreds of people there. Kind of walk us through what's happened since this has all gone down.
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Laurel Libby
The best thing to happen out of this has been seeing folks speak up. That's really been remarkable. There was a rally on March 1, and folks flocked to Augusta by the hundreds to protest Governor Mill's stance on this policy and legislative Democrats and to support females in girls sports and to support the removal of biological males from girls sports. This is not an isolated incident. There are other biological males participating in girls sports in Maine. But this is the first time we've seen people really speaking up en masse about it. And that's really encouraging to me. We also saw some young ladies from Maine high school students who have been affected in one way or another by biological males participating in girls sports travel to Washington, D.C. to speak up there. They met with AG Bondi and a number of other AGs to highlight what's going on in our state. And, you know, I'm hopeful because there are so many folks now speaking up that will see resolution to this, whether that comes from the federal government or state, which I think federal is more.
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Lisa
Likely, and it means really pretty radical or I mean, it is radical on some of these issues. I mean, the state has a shield law that protects transgender health care provider providers providing transgender surgeries from civil or criminal challenges from other states. Also allow 16 and 17 year olds to receive, you know, transgender care, including hormone therapy, without parental consent in some states. So, I mean, the state is radical on this. Where do you think the people come down on it in the state?
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Laurel Libby
Well, that's really, that's really the important question, Lisa. And I think we're seeing that as Maine people wake up to what's going on, they don't support this radical agenda. And, you know, just looking at girls sports for a minute, I think the reason that that image that I shared was so was took off as it did, was because it was that it was a picture. And here in our state, we've been told for a long time, you know, it's not happening. There aren't biological males taking girls places. You're making a big deal out of nothing. This is a nothing burger, and just shut up about it. And that image showed that that's simply not true. And I think it's helping to highlight some of the other areas where our state policies do not align with Maine people. We don't align with the WOKE policies that have been passed over the last couple years, but it's been, it's been done quietly and kind of insidiously without drawing a lot of attention to it, enabled by mainstream media's, you know, complicitness in it. And so now Maine people are kind of waking up to what's going on in our state. And I would say that they are displeased, they are not in agreement. And so hopefully the Democrats are going to face a reckoning.
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Lisa
You know, I mean, this is an 80, 20 issue, at least the issue of keeping men out of women's sports. Why do you think Democrats keep taking the 20% on this issue?
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Laurel Libby
You know, I don't know. One factor certainly is that that minority position is it's a very loud minority. They are extremely vocal. And you got a lot of folks in that 80% who simply want to live their lives and be left alone. But they do certainly respond to the injustice of seeing a boy take a girl's place on a podium and in sports. But I think that that that very vocal but small minority has convinced people that they're a larger number and a mightier number than they are. And I think in our case here in Maine, the Democrat majority, a slim majority, I'll tell you, needs to be reminded that that vocal minority is indeed the minority and the majority of people won't stand for this kind of woke policy.
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Lisa
You know, it's interesting because I'm sure you saw that Democratic Republic Representative Jared golden has flip flopped on this issue. You know, he's previously voted to allow men in women's sports. And then in a recent interview, he said in public schools in Maine, biological boys shouldn't compete in sports against biological girls. Obviously, the midterms are coming up. Trump won his president, Trump won his district in the past election. You know, the governor is also up for reelection. Why do you think Representative golden is changing his tune and how do you think this will all play out electorally.
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Laurel Libby
Interstate Representative Golden, Jared golden does a brilliant job of walking this very fine middle line where he's convinced people he's just your average Mainer just like you, when really for the vast majority of time he's voting with the Democrats in D.C. but he covers that well. And in this case he, he understands that where public sentiment lies in our state and that is not to allow biological males and girls sports. Now he has, I don't believe he has voted the right way in D.C. so he's talking the right message, but I don't think his, his votes align with that. And he says that the reason for that is that this is a state's issue and it shouldn't be handled at the federal level. But that's, that's, you know, that's just passing the buck where he is on the record voting wrong and main people don't align with his position.
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Lisa
Why did you decide to double down? Because I believe they told you, hey look, if you take this down, you know, you can vote again. But you know, you said, you know, the hell with it, right, Like I'm not doing that. So why'd you decide to double down?
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Laurel Libby
You know, people responded to the truth and the truth is there are biological males participating in girls sports. In my original post I simply stated that John had won fifth place previously and now won first place as Katie. It was the truth. And people are tired of having the truth obfuscated and hidden away and they want the people who are supposed leaders to be standing up and not backing down just because a bully or a tyrant says do X, Y or Z. And so I won't apologize for speaking the truth. That's all I did. I spoke the truth. I said what is actually going on in our state and the Democrat majority and the speaker don't like the truth being highlighted. And so yes, they've given me the option that I can apologize and I can have my vote back but I won't apologize for speaking the truth.
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Lisa
And now there are questions if what they did is constitutional or not. Where do you come down on that? And you know, is it, was it.
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Laurel Libby
I don't believe that this is constitutional for the speaker to take my vote and my voice. I think it's an end run around the constitution which requires 2/3 of my colleagues to vote for my expulsion and they know they don't have two third and so they've tried to do this instead. So I'll have an update for folks later on today, information regarding challenge challenging that in the courts.
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Lisa
This been like for you? You know I would, I would assume that you, you probably have gotten some, I mean obviously a lot of support and I know your social media has grown, you know, tremendously as a result of people following your story and, and what you're doing and, and taking, you know, taking action and standing firm in that. But you know, you've also gotten negative comments, maybe even death threats. I'm sure it's been interesting in the House. So what's this been like for you?
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Laurel Libby
You know, walking back in there a week after being censured was kind of surreal. It's a weird phenomenon to walk into the House chamber, sit in my seat, and know that I will not be allowed to vote or speak on behalf of my constituents. I have 9,000 folks in my district who, as of right now, their will is not allowed to be expressed. I was elected to represent my district, and so it's been a really strange feeling. Of course, there are folks who. Who are not happy about my stance. I've heard from folks on both sides of the aisle. I would say that breakdown is around where you find polling that 80, 20 or even higher to the 9,010 with folks who are, you know, cheering me on. Yes. Continue on, please. Don't back down, Laurel. Don't apologize. Stand your ground. And then folks who are unhappy about the post that I made on the other side of that, I'm encouraged for the future of our state through seeing the response, in part because I'm seeing young people stepping up and speaking up. Shortly after this all occurred, there were some school board meetings where young people spoke up and spoke out on this policy that I think, you know, people have been fearful to tackle. And so I'm thankful that that's part of the outcome. And I'm really. I'm thankful to have had a part in that.
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Lisa
You know, it's interesting because they say that, you know, you doxxed this man, this young man. But, you know, when you win a state championship like that, like I played sports in high school, when you win a state championship like that, those pictures end up in newspapers and online. You know, like it's. It's sort of a ridiculous accusation for them to make.
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Laurel Libby
And not only that, you know, you've got the nature where it's a public event, you make the choice to step up on a public podium. Aren't you proud if you win a state championship, Isn't this something to be celebrated? Pictures similar to those that I posted have been posted in the celebratory context, right? Saying, yay for this biological male who is breaking barriers and winning in the girls category. They've been posted in major newspapers and online. But because my post got a negative reaction from folks who were seeing the reality for the first time, it's not acceptable.
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Lisa
How do you think we got to this place? Because even looking back, like 10, 15 years ago, I would never in a million years think we would have to be concerned about men taking titles and championships. Away from women and, and pretending they're women. So how do you think we got here as a society?
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Laurel Libby
I think silence is consent. And you have that small but very vocal minority who's making a lot of noise and convincing people that they better be quiet, sit down, take a backseat, not make waves. And when, when we're silent, those of us who hold the common sense view that biology matters and biological males should not be participating in girls sports. If we, if we sit down and are silent, well, then that's policy. That's going to stand. It's incumbent upon us, and that's another reason that I won't apologize. It's incumbent upon us to speak up, speak up for the truth.
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Lisa
We've got to take a quick commercial break. More on all of this on the other side. Don't miss it.
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Lisa
What do you make of this argument? So what the left what they'll say is they'll be like, oh, it's just, you know, as you pointed out previously, they're like, oh, we're not seeing instances of this happening. Or they'll be like, oh, it's just a handful of people. We even saw Charlie Baker, the ncaa, NCAA president not too long ago to Congress say, well, there's only like 10 cases of this happening. So they try to downplay the numbers. So what would you say in response to that? Oh, you know, representative, it's just a few different cases. It's not that Big of a deal. Why are you making such a big deal out of it?
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Laurel Libby
A couple responses I could give to that. One is, of course, whatever the number is now, I think it's likely to grow. But the other answer is, how dare you minimize the effect on others when you look at the girl standing in second place on that podium. They worked hard for years. They worked hard for years to get where they are, to achieve what they've achieved. And their first place prize has been stolen by a biological male. How dare we give credence to an argument that would allow for any number of females to be displaced by a biological male? That is, it's unacceptable, whether it's one or 1,000. When I think about the ways that women have struggled and fought in very recent history. I gave an example in the floor speech I attempted to give about the first woman to run the Boston Marathon. That was in the 19. It was either the late 1960s or early 1970s. And that woman was tackled by the race director and he tried to force her off the course of the Boston Marathon because women were not allowed to run. And now, 50 years later, we would cheer on a biological male taking the place of a woman in her rightful place atop that podium. It is unconscionable that we adults would allow that to happen to our girls who work so hard and have rights that should be upheld.
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Lisa
We've also seen some of these young women get injured by men in women's sports as well. Peyton McNabb, who attended the joint address that President Trump gave to Congress, was partially paralyzed by a man in high school volleyball, or there's a Massachusetts field hockey player who had her teeth knocked out as a result of a man. So, you know, sadly, we're putting these young women's lives in danger.
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Lisa
And obviously that's concerning.
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Laurel Libby
Absolutely. There's a mom who reached out to me after all of this went public and she wanted to tell me about her daughter's case. I don't have permission to tell the full story publicly yet. And that's one of the reasons I think, that we, we see this still going on. They don't. They're not comfortable speaking up yet. And I understand that because the opposition can be fierce, that small but vocal minority. But her daughter received such a significant concussion from being attacked on the field of play by a biological male that she was in and out of school for the next three months. And she still has long standing repercussions. Meanwhile, the male never even in a case where had it been a female who did the same, they would have been red carded and out of the game. They never had any repercussions whatsoever, despite the fact that they injured this girl so badly that she went down and could not get back up.
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Lisa
I mean, I played field hockey in high school, and I got hit in the head with a field hockey ball. And, well, one, it almost hit me in the temple in one instance. The other dropped down. I hit me in my forehead. I dropped down. I had two black eyes for an excited period of time. It took me to the ground. That's how hard I was hit. So I can't imagine having that ball hit me with any additional force as a result of a man. I mean, that would put you in the hospital. That's something that could. Could kill you, to be honest. So it really is dangerous what they're doing now. This isn't the first time you've been punished by the Speaker. You were also punished during COVID Tell us about that story and what happened there.
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Laurel Libby
Yeah, this is kind of round two, Lisa. During COVID Maine had some pretty tyrannical policies by the same governor and the same speaker was in power in the House. And so after a year and a half of a mask mandate, statewide. Mask mandate, our governor lifted the mask mandate, but the speaker insisted that that mask mandate stay in place for the state House. So Maine people did not have to wear a mask any longer throughout the state, but they did if they wanted to competition their government in the state House. So I and five other reps, we walked into the state House without masks the following Monday, and I was promptly stripped of my committee by this same speaker. So this is, as I said, this is round two. But you know what? Tyrants need a. Tyrants need a challenge and need to be. Need to be held accountable for what they do. And here in Maine, we have a long history of tyranny under the current governor and Democrat majority, and they need to be held accountable for it.
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Lisa
Well, I'm sensing a pattern with you, but you're my kind of girl, so I like it standing up for, you know, what is right. Very boldly. So why did you get into all this to begin with? You're a mother of five. You're a small business owner, registered nurse. You know, why did you want to get into politics? It's. It's a messy business.
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Laurel Libby
Yeah, it is a messy business. Boy, you learn how messy it is a few years into it. You know, I was born and raised here in Maine, and I love our state. The negative things that have been brought to light recently. Whether it's the interactions between our governor and the president and woke policies notwithstanding, Maine is an incredible state. It's beautiful. The people are wonderful, independent minded folks. I could go on and on about how amazing our state is, but one day back in 2019, my husband and I kind of woke up out of a decade of parenting and said, gosh, our state looks a lot different than it did when we were growing up. What is going on? So we started getting involved the following year, realized that I, I was going to have to run for state rep because my state rep kept voting wrong. And so I ran against a two term Democrat incumbent and booted her out, took that seat and this is now my third term. And I, I wouldn't say that we have any less tyranny yet in Maine, but we certainly are a heck of a lot closer to gaining a conservative majority. And I think what gives me the most hope is that I think folks are really waking up to what is actually going on in our state. Everybody has that awakening that I had at a different point. And once we hit critical mass, I think we're going to see a big change in our state because the vast majority of folks don't support the agenda that Governor Mills and the Democrats in the state House are advancing.
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Lisa
Before we go, is there anything I missed in the conversation about what's happened in Maine and what's happened with your case?
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Laurel Libby
I just would emphasize that, you know, the genesis of this was speaking up for girls whose rights in our state are being infringed. And I don't know if that fix is going to come at the federal level or if there will be a little bit of common sense to come by way of constituents pushing the House and the Senate to change our policies. But one way or another, we need to ensure that we are successful in, in changing, changing how girls and boys compete in our state, that biological males are no longer allowed to take the place of our young ladies. And so I'd encourage folks whether you're in Maine or any other state out there to continue speaking up. It's the only way we'll see change, whether it's in Maine, California or anywhere in between.
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Lisa
I 100 believe in that. And we need bold people like you standing up to make a difference. So Representative Laura Libby, thank you so much for making the time. Appreciate what you're doing. We'll continue to follow your story also. Where can people follow you?
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Laurel Libby
Yeah, folks can find me on X on Facebook or at my website.
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Lisa
Laurel Libby.com all right, well, thank you so much. We appreciate your time.
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Laurel Libby
Thank you guys.
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Lisa
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