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Travis Holloway
And I'm Travis Holloway. Welcome to the Wealth Break Podcast, a real conversation about financing. Let's be honest, building wealth doesn't look the same for everyone. I feel like sometimes being broke is a cycle and that we might have.
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Steve Hilton
To revisit that and we're not stopping at success stories. What happens when it doesn't go right? How do you cope with it?
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Lisa
Because wealth isn't just about money.
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Travis Holloway
It's about creating a life where you.
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Lisa
Thrive and help others do the same.
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Steve Hilton
Listen to the Wealth Break podcast on the iHeartRadio app. So today we're diving into Signal Gate and the White House's crisis comms. Our heads about to roll or is it being overblown? We'll discuss. We'll also unpack Bernie Sanders and AOC's Fighting Oligarchy Tour, pulling massive crowds 20 months before the midterms. Should this worry us? I mean, they claim to be populous, but. But are they? Today's guest, Steve Hilton, knows a thing or two about that, having been a key voice in Brexit's leave campaign, even clashing with his old boss, David Cameron. We'll get his take on all of that. We've seen the UK have a lot of issues with free speech, censorship, as well as immigration. How much of those issues are intertwined and what's the future of the uk? And lastly, we'll dig into Steve Hilton's new book, Califalia Reversing the Ruin of America's Worst Run State. Can a Republican Save the Golden State? And is that Republican? Steve Hilton. Well, Steve Hilton, it's such an honor to have you on the show. You're one of my favorite people at Fox News and I've just enjoyed previously going on your show and just kind of getting to know you throughout the years. You're just, you're a great guy. You're so smart, you're a friend. And so it's exciting to have you on. And I'm excited about your book that we'll dig into.
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Travis Holloway
Thank you, Lisa. It's wonderful to be with you. I'm so happy. I totally agree with you. I feel like we kind of came up together at Fox and it's just great to be with you today.
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Steve Hilton
Well, we've also, I mean, you know, the past few years have just been so interesting in history. Right. I mean, we kind of, you know, I remember going on your show during COVID and, you know, you were one of the few people out in the media really questioning things and allowing a space on your show to question things, which I think was so important at the time because people just weren't doing it. I mean, you were having people on who, you know, weren't for lockdowns and who didn't think that everyone should go out and get vaccinated. And you really allowed for a space for actual debate and different opinions. And so I think you really played a really critical role during COVID Well, thank you.
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Travis Holloway
And actually, my favorite thing, especially this week, is to note that I was the first person that put Jay Bhattacharya on tv. And of course, he's just been confirmed as the new head of nih, which is such a beautiful kind of revenge against all the lockdown lunatics.
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Steve Hilton
Well, you know, it seems like a lot of these people like Jay, and I really. I didn't realize you were the first person. I mean, I knew that you had him on. I knew that you were, you know, very brave and sort of having these people on earlier than, you know, other people were willing to have them on. But that's very cool. But it is nice to see a lot of these people who got really beat up and really battered and bruised and bloodied for telling the truth during COVID I mean, the amount that he went through at Stanford and just through his years and, you know, and then to. To now, to be in a position of authority in the country on public health is poetic justice, if you could ever. You know, it's just. It's a beautiful thing to see, and we'll all be better as a result. All right, so I wanted to ask you just out the gate, and we don't have to spend a lot of time on this because obviously it's. It's being discussed enough. All right, so signal gate. What do you make of it? And how is the White House doing in its crisis communication response?
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Travis Holloway
I honestly don't know what to make of it other than clearly everyone agrees that it was a mistake. So no one's defending it as, yeah, this was a good thing that happened. I think it is important. And they are making the point, which I think is, in a way, the main point, that the actual substance here was very positive. In other words, they were discussing something that then happened and was very successful and was a great example of American leadership. So that, you know, we can't lose sight of that and all the conversation around the process. And it's the kind of story that the press absolutely loves because it is about process and the kind of internal workings of things rather than, you know, real policy in the real world. Having said that, the thing that I just keep coming back to is that when we think about this, obviously the addition of the journalist was just a mistake, and these things happen. And I think they'll probably learn from it and make sure that. I think we're already hearing that in the future there will be much, there'll be someone checking exactly who's on chains like this or whatever. But the broader point I think is security of communications. And how can you run that properly in the modern world where people are running around and everything's on phones and all the rest of it. And it takes me back to my first days in working in the government back in the UK in the Cameron administration. And I remember very clearly having the security briefing and they were going from the British security services and they were on and on about how vulnerable smartphones were and they said, look, don't assume anything hostile foreign powers and security services can get into any phone any way they want. I remember very clearly they said they can even take over a phone that is not even turned on. They can take it over and turn it remotely into a listening device for any room that you're in. So just be incredibly cautious about your phone. And the other thing they said was this only applies to smartphones. And at the time I had, I never, I've never had a smartphone and I had an old fashioned Nokia phone and I just held it up and said. And the guy said, yeah, that's it, that's secure. They can't get into that. So I think for all the conversation, and it's now become known as signal gate or whatever. I think actually the real story here is about phones and the device because that's the real vulnerability.
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Steve Hilton
And you've not, if I can remember you, you're not a cell phone guy, right?
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Travis Holloway
I remember I have now got a flip phone and. But it's still, it's an old fashioned flip phone, it's not a smartphone. I'm on the road now a lot in California, so I do need to, you know, just be a bit more available and call people and text and whatever. So that's what I have a flip phone which enables me to do that. I can make phone calls, I can text, but that's it.
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Steve Hilton
Although I kind of love that you've lived in tech world, but you're, it's, that's kind of cool. I kind of like that. You know, I also just think that the Democrats are overplaying their hand here, right? Because like it is a loss for the White House, it's a win for Democrats to, you know, try to put some points on the board. It's not a good news cycle for the White House. We can, we can all admit that. But then it's like they take it so far to the point, like so hyperbolic. That it's like, okay, like, you know what I mean, you're right about it being embarrassing. You know, you're right to, you know, knock the White House on this. But then like, you take it so far and try to make it these things it's not. And then you sort of lose the plot. And then also, just after all the incompetence we had to go through with the previous administration, getting 13 service members killed, you know, droning an aid worker, the list goes on. It's like you don't really have much of a leg to stand on here either.
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Travis Holloway
I totally agree. I was just watching some of the, I was on Fox and Friends this morning and, and I was just going, watching. They had a sort of compilation of some of the comments from Democrats and media pundits on, you know, the Chris Hayes, I think on MSNBC was particularly egregious. Just the insanity. They're so over the top. This is the most appalling security breach in the history of the country. I think it was literally as extreme as that. And you should think that. What are you talking about? You just sound like a fool.
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Steve Hilton
You know, Exactly. It's like they just take it so far. They're too dumb to even take a win. You know, it's like. But so in this conversation, one thing that came to mind that I wanted to ask you about. So we have an administration that's moving so quickly, right? Like, it's like, I feel like we're living through dog years. Like it's just like it's going, you know, it's, it's, you know, it feels like we've already been through a year of an administration, right? It's just going so quickly. He's moving so quickly. How does it play out in the midterms? Like, it seems that it's been able to throw Democrats off their game. Sort of like the inability to figure out how to. Outside of this, you know, one incident with the signal gate sort of more self inflicted. They've not really been able to land knocks against him because it's like so much is happening. But how do you make sure the American people are aware, you know, that they're not just caught up in like the chaos and go into the midterms feeling chaotic, you know, how do you, I guess, how do you sell that to the American people where, you know, they, they know that winds are happening, that things are good without just feeling like chaotic.
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Travis Holloway
It's really interesting. I think that the driving factor will be substantive, like what is actually happening in the real world, particularly on economic matters, by the time people start thinking about their vote. So really, I think opinions about how things are going are going to be set summer next year. I think that's typically how it works with elections, that however people are feeling in June, July next year will be determinative of how the vote goes, honestly. And so I think it's all about, not just the process wins in terms of initiating actions, whether that's tariffs or the DOGE stuff, whatever it may be. That's great. And I think right now there's a positive sense of energy. I think people overwhelmingly like that. You can see in the approval numbers, which are the highest that we've seen for Donald Trump. And in comparison to other presidents, it's all good news in that sense. But I think by next year it's going to be, well, what's the real news, what's actually happening? And so I think that we just have to wait and see. I don't think anything the Democrats are doing right now is likely to be shaping perceptions. Then. I do think that if they continue down the path that they seem to be on, which is moving, I would say, even further left or at least doubling down on a kind of left positioning, particularly if, I mean, I will talk about Bernie and aoc, if that's where this is heading, I don't think that's going to serve them well at all. But I think the real driver will be what actually happens in the real world. And it'll be a combination of domestic and foreign policy. For example, if, if the administration does manage to pull off an end to the war in Europe, like a real end to it, that's a huge success that they can point to. And the same with jobs and the economy. I think that it's very possible that actually you will see by early summer next year. Really great stories in terms of investment in the US and, and jobs being created and the sense that the America first economic agenda really is delivering what it was supposed to, which is better jobs and higher earnings for Americans. But that has to happen in order for people to feel good about it.
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Steve Hilton
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Steve Hilton
You know, we've had a lot of these conversations on tv and everyone's like, oh, you know, Democrats are lost and they are obviously. But that doesn't necessarily matter for the midterms. It matters for 2028 when they have to pick a candidate, they have to pick a direction for the party. And, you know, whoever the individual is that wins will take on that mantle and probably reshape the party. But for a midterm, it's really dependent on how President Trump is doing, how this White House is doing, how the economy is doing, how Americans feel about the direction of the country. And so far we've seen polling where, you know, I think Americans, more Americans believe we're on the right track than 2004. So that is how it looks heading in the midterms. We're good. But, you know, I think you kind of nailed it in the sense of like, it really just comes down to what's the public perception of President Trump and this White House heading into the midterms.
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Travis Holloway
Yes. And I think one thing I'd add to that is if you compare it to the last. I mean, I think the Democrats are very excited about the comparison with 2018, which is obviously a good midterm for them. And you had the whole resistance movement and all of that stuff going on, and you had the controversy over supreme, you know, just a ton of stuff. You know, Brett Kavanaugh, you know, there was a lot going on and the rage against Trump, which was totally amplified, of course, by the media, it was really strong. And actually already by then, you were having good results on the economy in the first Trump administration, but it was drowned out by just the sheer kind of level of the rage and hostility and the media amplifying every single thing that went wrong and so on. It's very different this time because you have just a much more experienced and unified team. And apart from this thing we've just been talking about, it's basically been really professional. And the chaos argument just doesn't really stick. And also there just doesn't seem to be the appetite for the kind of universal anti Trump rage. It's just not like that. He's not new anymore, you know, and people can see that this is a very different feel to the administration. So I don't if, like last time, what I'm really saying is that last time there were already good results happening in the real world for President Trump in 2018, but it was drowned out by this chorus of rage. I don't think that'll happen this time. If he does have good results, if things are going well, I think that will translate into good outcomes in the midterms.
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Steve Hilton
That's a really good point. You know, we're sort of, I think especially just since the past four years have been so bad, I think Americans eyes have kind of been open to like, they sort of get the game now, you know, with how the media works in the left. That's a really good point. So I wanted to ask you about the whole Bernie Sanders and AOC thing because you've worked in, you know, the highest, highest places in politics and you're also a proponent of, well, positive populism. This is not positive, but, you know, maybe populism nonetheless, but. Or some form of it, but. So, okay, so they've been on their Fighting Oligarchy tour, according to organizers, which, you know, take it for a grain of salt because. Take it with a grain of salt because it's. According to organizers, but they say nearly 87,000 people have attended five events last week. You know, that's a Lot of people, particularly so far out from a midterm election. I mean, should we be worried about that? Is that. Is there something brewing there that we should be paying attention to?
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Travis Holloway
I don't think so. I think, if anything, it could be mildly encouraging for Republicans because what you've actually got going on, look, I think it reflects the, you know, these are real partisans. These are people going to be voting Democrats. The activist base, it seems to me, that's showing up. And they are, you know, obviously, hugely, hugely demoralized by the defeat of Kamala Harris and President Trump's reelection, which they just couldn't believe. You know, how they used to talk about him and still do, and they just were assuming that Kamala Harris would win. And so. And then ever since then, they've seen this really astonishing press coverage, really, of President Trump both in the. In the transition period, in the first, you know, few months of the administration. They're just looking and thinking, oh, my goodness, what is this? Trump's the monster. He's a devil. What's going on? And then finally they see somebody in their party just making a stand and showing up and being angry and kind of channeling their emotions, and they respond to it. So I think that's natural. I don't think it's anything to be sort of particularly concerned about. And I think the really interesting thing is if the lesson that Democrats take from it is, yeah, okay, well, there's support for this aoc. Maybe we should have had Bernie all along. Maybe he's right. Maybe aoc, that's the direction that we want to set. And of course, you're right that the real direction, setting will happen once they choose their presidential nominee. But if, in the interim, it feels like this is where the action is and it's all about the left, I think that's really helpful for Republicans because it seems to me that the defining feature of the Democrats post election, whatever you want to call it, collapse of morale, is they really haven't come to terms with why they lost. And it seems to me it's very simple. They lost because they went too far left on all these issues. And, you know, whatever. You know, you pick an issue on the climate stuff or immigration, obviously, in the border and crime and gender and all this stuff, they went too far left everyone, every normal person. It's obvious that that's what happened. But they're not learning that lesson, it seems. And if they go. If they. If they get excited about the energy or being on the AOC Bernie side, and they think okay, fine. Maybe left is the way to go. That's helpful for Republicans.
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Steve Hilton
That's a good point. You know, it's like they're like little children, and instead of just, like, you know, you lose a game instead of just hitting the pieces over or, like, whatever, they're like firebombing Tesla. Little more extreme. They're like psychotic children. It's like, a little more extreme, you know, it seems to me, you know, because I think looking at their defeat this past election cycle, like, it's not just a political defeat. Like, President Trump took down a system, Right. You know, he had a media with the most biased coverage ever in, like, the history of campaigns against him. He had, you know, Hollywood working against him, big tech, which are now, you know, with him. But he had, like, every, you know, the deep state, like. Right. Every system, like, the court, like, weaponized everything working against him, and he defeated it. And so he sort of depleted their power structure. And so I think that's why they're so angry and so stammering and, you know, like. Right. I mean, do you agree with that or what do you think?
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Travis Holloway
Exactly. They don't. They can't believe it. It's like, what. How did this happen? You know, how. How did. I mean, even the first time around, it was like, how. Are you kidding me? Hillary was supposed to be crowned, you know, and now it's happened again, and to a female candidate, and it's just unthinkable to them, and they. And they completely, you know, gobsmacked by it, and. And that's why it's coming out in these weird ways. And there hasn't been any kind of serious, you know, thoughtful, you know, reassessment of where they went wrong. I suppose you could say, I don't know, Gavin Newsom's doing it a little bit. I mean, I don't want to give him much credit for it, because I think it's all about personal positioning for him with his podcast and these new positions that he's trying to stake out, but totally insincerely because he's not actually doing anything about it, because he happens to still be the governor of Californ, and so could be acting to implement all these new things that he's discovering, like how unfair it is to have biological men and girl sports. He could actually be doing something about it. So I don't want to give him too much credit. He's not actually sincere about it. However, the fact that he is, you know, trying to move in that direction shows that I think at least he gets it, but I don't think any of the others do.
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Steve Hilton
Yeah, I agree with you. I think the only reason he's having conservatives on his podcast is, you know, he's at least astute enough to realize that, like, that's the direction he's going to have to go in if he wants to run for president. Right. And so he's sort of like using Republicans as pawns in his game.
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Travis Holloway
One person, I just want to say who I, you know, and I should, you know, be transparent about this. It's someone I know and I like personally, who I think is just staking out kind of an interesting path here is Ro Khanna. I think that what if you look at what he's been saying and doing, he's a congressman from California, near, near where I live. And he's a populist of the, you know, in one sense, you know, I mean, he was, I think, co chair of Bernie's presidential campaign. So he's definitely. And the, I think, co chair of the Progressive Caucus. I can't remember exactly what his title is, but definitely, you could say on the left, however, he's the only one that I've noticed. I think I really is the only one in terms of a leading Democrat who's very clearly and strongly condemned what's going on with Tesla. So that has no place in this. Just really stood up for that and also just speaks about things in a much more reasonable way. You. And he goes on Fox and he doesn't talk in a aggressive manner about, you know, he's just, he's different to the others and I think it's interest. But equally, he doesn't pander and he's been consistent in his views. So I think he's one to watch, actually. I think he's got an interesting, he's, he's, you know, taking an interesting approach.
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Steve Hilton
To all this and he seems authentic. And, you know, in having watched him, he seems pretty consistent in the things, you know, so I'll give him credit for that. We've got to take a quick break. More with Steve Hilton. On the other side.
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Amica Insurance Representative
At Amica Insurance. We know it's more than a life policy. It's about the promise and the responsibility that comes with being a new parent, being there day and night and building a plan for tomorrow today for the ones you'll always look out for. Trust Amica life insurance. Amica empathy is our best policy.
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Thrivent Representative
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Steve Hilton
Want to shift your book in just a second. Before we do, I just want to what was it like you were publicly involved in the Brexit campaign? You were even on opposite sides of your former boss, the UK Prime Minister David Cameron. You know, what was it like to be a part of Brexit? And also, what was it like to sort of be on the opposite sides of your former boss on it?
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Travis Holloway
It was interesting. So I I'd always felt like, you talk about consistency. I mean, I'd always, you know, as long as I can remember, thought that the EU was just outrageous, the way it took power away from a national sovereignty, away from elected governments, and put it in the hands of an unelected bureaucracy. And so. And actually, that was very much the Conservative Party position. And in fact, I remember back in meetings before David, before the election, before David Cameron became Prime Minister, I was a senior advisor. We would have meetings about, for example, we were discussing the possibility of leaving the EU as a policy matter and whether we would even put it in our platform for the general election instead. And we were debating whether that would be the right way to do it or whether we should have a referendum. And so, you know, so it's not like this was some outlandish position, they're leaving the EU position. It was pretty mainstream in the Conservative Party, but then by the time it actually came around in a classic manner, you know, people who've been in. In power, they get, you know, they. The phrase in England, if it's a familiar phrase, they, you know, they go native, kind of get attached to the way that things work. I felt very strongly that this was a really big decision for the uk. By that time, I was living in America. We moved here in 2012, but I had just written a book, it came out in 2015 called More Human Designing A World Where People Come First. And then the paperback came out in the UK the next year, in 2016, and I did a forward for it. I kind of updated it as you do. And one of the themes of the book was that everything's become too big and bureaucratic and centralized and removed from the human scale. And I applied that argument right across a whole bunch of policy errors, from schools and healthcare and, you know, the economy, everything. And of course, to government itself, it's just become too big and bureaucratic and centralized, and there's no better example of that than the eu. So I updated it in the context of the referendum, which had already been called, and it got a lot of attention in the uk, and I went back to campaign for it and I don't know, I felt good about it. I felt like I was just saying what I thought. And actually, it was interesting. I didn't myself think of it as any kind of personal disagreement, but I'm afraid that David Cameron did see it as that, because he very much saw it as a referendum, not just on Brexit, but basically on his prime ministership. And indeed, as soon as he lost like literally the next morning, he resigned. And so I think he felt it as a kind of personal betrayal because his job was on the line, whereas I was looking at it as a, as a question of political philosophy.
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Steve Hilton
You know, the UK has got a lot of problems right now. Mass immigration issues as well as free speech issues. Are those two intertwined and where is that all going?
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Travis Holloway
Well, I think it's all one thing, actually. If you, if you look back over the last, you know, few years in the uk, as a guy, I wasn't involved in it. We've been here since 2012, and I'm an American now. But the performance of the, I mean, you don't even want to use the word conservative. You know, the Conservative government since Brexit has just been totally lamentable and unconservative. I mean, the whole point, for example, of Brexit, not the whole point, but like a really important central argument. As prominent in the Brexit argument as it was in President Trump's campaigns both in 2016 and just now, was the immigration argument controlling our borders. That was really central to the Brexit argument because in the eu, you have zero control. It's literally open borders within the eu. That's how it works. They call it free movement of people. And so that was like at the heart of the Brexit argument. And they haven't done anything about it. So you get Brexit, but you don't get immigration control. In fact, the numbers have gone up since Brexit in the uk. So, like, what were they doing? And I think on all of these measures, you know, the clamping down on free speech and all of this stuff, it just felt like you had a Conservative government that wasn't conservative at all, and that's why they suffered this absolutely massive defeat. Now you've got a Labor government that's even worse. And it just feels like the UK's really lost, actually. It's very sad to see.
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Steve Hilton
Well, let's talk about your home state, which is also lost right now.
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Steve Hilton
The book about it, Reversing the ruin of America's worst run state. You sure know how to pick them, Steve. Okay, so you name California, obviously, as America's worst run state. I guess what, what gives it that distinction from your point of view and the argument you make in the book?
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Travis Holloway
Yeah, I mean, the first thing I'd say is, I love California. It's my home. You know, I raised my family there, started a business that, you know, it's. I, I still think it's there's nowhere better than California, but it's just so disastrously run and it breaks my heart. And that's one of the reasons I wanted to write the book because I'm more and more engaged in the fight to save California. And you've got to make the argument about what's gone wrong, how it's gone wrong and how to put it right. And I'd also say it's a warning to the rest of the country because I mean, just going back to what we were discussing, AOC and Bernie. Well, that agenda, that policy agenda that Bernie and AOC are pushing, we don't need to guess what it would look like. That's basically what has been implemented in California for years now in these nearly two decades of one party rule by the Democrats. And they've gone further and further left and they've basically implemented all the things they want. The Green New Deal, massive increases in the minimum wage, taxes, regulations, everything that they want. That's California today. And so you ask, how do you define it as the worst run state? Well, just look at the numbers. It's unbelievable how badly California is doing on every single measure. Pretty much that matters. California is the worst in America, like not even like in the middle or 41st out of 50 or whatever. It's the work. We have the highest rate of poverty, the highest taxes, the highest costs for pretty much everything that matters. Housing, gas, electricity, water, all of that. The most expensive in America. We had the lowest income growth last year in America, the highest unemployment. Right now this month it's the second highest unemployment. But you know, for a lot of last year it was the highest unemployment, the worst business climate, which is amazing when you think of California as the home of innovation and all these things. Chief Executive magazine does a survey every year of chief executives around the country which, which states have the best and worst business climate and they rank them. California's been last for 10 years, bottom and on and on. There are more measures. I mean it's just unbelievable. Everything, it's not just homelessness. We have 11% of the US population, 45% of the US homeless population. Just a terrible, terrible record. A complete failure on every single front. And they say when you put all this to Democrats, they say, well, we're still, you know, we're the fifth biggest economy in the world. And that's true. If you took California out of the US on our own would be the fifth biggest economy. Great. But when you look at what that is driven by, it's basically these giant Tech monopolies with huge revenue that buoy up California's gdp, but they hardly employ anyone, relatively speaking. And that's why you can have this kind of thing at the same time, the fifth biggest economy, but the highest unemployment in America. And so something is going really badly wrong. And this is what you get when Democrats get everything they want. That's why this is a real message for the rest of the country. This is the Democrat plan in action. Look at it. It's in California right now, today, and it's completely failed.
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Steve Hilton
And we know that the decline's been ongoing, but at what point did it accelerate?
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Travis Holloway
So I think that the real answer to that question is just over 10 years ago when they got a super majority in the legislature. Because it's not just the governor, it's not just Gavin Newsom. A lot of this, you know, I mean, just the stories. I mean, just to take one step back. I think the sort of defining characteristic of all of this and the reason everything's gone so badly wrong is the massive growth of big, bloated, bossy, nanny state government. Just this enormous growth of the government. They've doubled the budget of the state of California in the last 10 years, pretty much, even though the population's been falling. So everything is affected by that. It's impossible to run a business, to build anything, whatever. It's all a nightmare. And the re. And when that really started was when they. They achieved a super majority in the legislature. And that meant that they had no more, you know, need to get Republican votes on anything. Well, there's two things that happened. They. They put in place a ballot initiative called Proposition 25. I believe that was 2010, when they. They changed the requirement for passing a budget in the state legislature. It used to be that you needed 2/3 votes to pass a budget, and they reduced that to just a simple majority in order to make it easier for them to get their way without any kind of input from the opposing party. So that, that itself was the first step, but they didn't even need that for very long because in 2012, they did achieve, just through, actually through gerrymandering, 2/3 majorities in the state assembly, in the state Senate, so total control of the legislature. And it's been like that ever since, which means that they've just. There's been no challenge to them. They've got. So it's all the pressure is coming from the left, from the activists who basically control them, the unions who fund them, especially the government unions, the teacher unions and so on. They themselves are controlled by far left activists. So just the insane legislation that's been coming out and the governors have just signed it and gone along with it, and they haven't stood up to the party. So I think that's the origin of it. When they achieved the super majority. I just want to make a point about that, which is that if you look at, and this is, I think, the note of optimism for California, it's a much more Republican state than people think. So even in a bad year for Republicans, when you have like a not particularly well known candidate with no money, that's what happened last time in the governor's race, Gavin Newsom was up for reelection. The Republican candidate was a guy called Brian Darley. Nice guy, you know, I did my best to support him, put up on my shows and all the rest of it. He was a state senator from the north of the state, but he didn't have any money, barely had a campaign. But he got 41%. He got 40.8%. I believe it was like, call it 41% of the vote with like no campaign effectively. And in fact, the average share of the vote for Republicans in statewide elections in the last 20 years is nearly 42%. So there's a very solid, call it 40% Republican support in California. But if you look at the legislature, you don't have 40% representation for Republicans. It's not even 35 or 30 or 25, it's 20%. And that's achieved through gerrymandering that the Democrats did. They hijacked a ballot initiative that passed in 2008. It was called independent redistricting, but they totally hijacked it to draw the district in a way that suited them. And now they have this super majority and they've completely caved to the left on everything. And so you end up with this insane legislation going through, plus also insane volumes of legislation. It's incredible how many bills they pass. Just the sheer volume of crap that comes out of Sacramento. That's really the sort of defining thing, the super majority in the legislature totally unchallenged by the governor.
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Steve Hilton
Well, and I think people were alarmed by just the inability to govern on the basic level with the fires.
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Travis Holloway
Yes.
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Steve Hilton
We recently saw with both Gavin Newsom's inability, Karen Bass as well. And then I was reading that there was a reservoir specifically set up for the Pacific Palisades and it was empty. And so it's like, you know, and then you had the California legislature meeting about how to stop Trump and, you know, so it's Like, I think it was alarming, you know, so walk us through that and sort of what. That highlights, you know, also some of the problems in California as well.
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Travis Holloway
Well, exactly. I remember I was in the. I spoke at a congressional hearing about the wildfires. And, you know, it's a classic sort of pantomime. You have the Democrats, you know, doing their partisan stunts and whatever. And there was one woman on there, a Democrat member of Congress from, I don't know where, I think Vermont. And she was. And there were four of us who were witnesses. And I'd been very critical, you know, and I had made all these points about the failures of policy that the climate extremism. That meant that all these regulatory agencies had literally stopped residents from clearing the brush by their. On the hillsides near their homes, even though they wanted to. They were fined if they did proper fire maintenance, all on the grounds of, you know, carbon and air quality. Just ridiculous stuff, right? So I was making all these points and. Plus the reservoir and all the rest of it. But this woman just. She came in with these classic congressional pantomime questions. She goes, do you believe the fires were caused? She made a little speech about dei. You know, Republicans say, this is all dei. Do you remember about the fire chief and whatever. Do you think the fires were caused by the fact that the fire chief is a lesbian? Like, no. But the point I made was like, actually, you take the acronym dei. It is the cause of all this. Just give it a new name, Democrat. Extremism and incompetence. And it's those two things together, their extremism and their incompetence, that made this fire disaster so much worse than it need have been. I mean, that thing with the COVID with the reservoir is just so insane. Exactly as you say, that reservoir was built in order to hold water in the event of a fire in that part of the city. 117 million gallons. And it had been empty for a year. And the reason that they. It was empty was because there's some regulation about covering it in order to preserve the, you know, from. Preserve the water quality from, you know, bird droppings, whatever. Fine. Okay, so that. But there was a tear in the COVID That's the reason. But they could have just fixed the COVID but they didn't. They emptied the whole reservoir and they had it. And they didn't even realize or didn't think that it would be a problem that it would be empty during fire season. This is a totally predictable event. The Santa Ana winds that kind of whip up these fires Every year. These weren't even the worst ever. They're bad, but they were not unprecedented and it's just unbelievable. But by the way, the person in charge of that, that comes out of the LA City Department of Water and Power, the person that was hired to run that by Kara Bass, her salary is $750,000 a year. Oh my God, it's unbelievable. And you think, well, what's going. And you look at these, the way these, this is what happens when they get completely complacent. There's no accountability because there's no challenge from. They don't think that there's any political competition or threat. They get totally complacent. There's total arrogance and they do these things and there's no kind of accountability for it because they don't feel the pressure from any kind of political challenge. It's all within their own party. And then the real thing is you get all these machine politicians rising up through the ranks like Karen Bass, who are basically useless. They kind of left wing, bureaucratic minded people. Their skill is managing, you know, the unions and the activists and all of that stuff. They have no clue. They haven't done a real job. Kamala Harris is exactly the same and it's just a disaster because they don't know how to run things properly and they have bad ideas that are just left wing ideology instead of common sense. Practical.
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Cprewards.Com you identify nine pathologies that have led to the state's failure. How did you come up with those? And sort of what was the thought process in trying to identify them?
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Travis Holloway
What is this, you know, like how did this happen? And you know, I've talked about some of the sort of practical things, you know, the 2/3, majority, all that kind of stuff. Also, there's a very important point, which is the whole process was really initiated by Reagan when he Gave collective bargaining rights as governor to the government unions, starting with firefighters and police and so on. And then Jerry Brown extended that. So that's created this incredibly powerful political force, which is the government unions in California. They spend about a billion dollars a year on political activity. And of course, in exchange for that, they get, you know, luxury pensions and health care and so on. It's totally corrupt. So that's a very big factor in it as well. But I was just thinking when I was going through, I didn't just want to say, well, this is. This is how they screwed up homelessness or whatever. I wanted to go a bit deeper than that, like, well, what's going on here? Why? And so I. I went through all the failures and was trying to think honestly about, well, why? Why do they do that? What's that about? And as I went through, I just thought, you know, that's why I came to these. These different, as I call them, pathologies, because it is pathological. None of this really makes sense. For example, if you look at the homelessness crisis, there's a law that was passed in 2016 called Housing first, the only one of its kind in the country at any state level, which makes it illegal to. For anyone offering homelessness services that have any kind of state funding in California to require sobriety or mandated drug treatment or anything. And given that 80% plus of people who are living on the streets have a drug problem or alcohol or both mental health problems, it's just insane that it's illegal to deal with those problems. And it makes no sense. But what's behind that? It's pathological. It's like if we force people off the streets and into drug treatment, somehow that's not compassionate. And that we have to be compassionate and let people do. But that's not actual compassionate. That's why I called it compassionism. It's this ideological, demented kind of view that I want to look compassionate by not, you know, forcing people to do things that they don't want to do. And it's just ridiculous. Makes no sense. And that informs a lot of their stuff, you know, even in schools, you know, where they've basically made it impossible to discipline unruly kids, and it all has to be restorative justice, whatever. It's all this. This pathology of compassionism rather than true compassion. And you go through all the issues, it's all like that. The climate stuff makes no sense. It's, you know, they're literally shutting down our own oil and gas industry, which used to provide 80% of the, of the oil and gas we use in California, we still use basically the same amount. It's gone down a little bit in the last few years, but it's pretty much, you know, I mean, 80% of our total energy use in California is, is fossil fuels. But now instead of producing 80% of that in, in state and importing 20%, it's the other way around. We import most of the oil and gas we use. And they're shipping oil. They're shutting down oil wells and oil fields in Kern County, California, you know, 100 miles or so from Los Angeles where the refineries are. You could, you could send it there in nice pipelines and clean and safe, instead of which they're literally shipping it in halfway across the world from places like Iraq on giant supertankers which run on the most filthy fuel. It's called bunker fuel, the most polluting form of transportation on the planet. They're shipping it halfway across the world. So in the name of climate, they are literally increasing carbon emissions. It's insane. It makes no sense, but it's this ideological pathology. It's like climatism, that's what I call it. It's like we want to look like we are fighting fossil fuels, but it's insane. And you go through all the issues, that's what it comes down to. It is this totally extreme ideology above any kind of practicality.
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Steve Hilton
That's. That's wild. I wanted to ask you, so your parents escaped communism. How has it shaped your political views and also how you view California?
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Travis Holloway
Yeah, it's interesting. I never really thought it did very much, but now I'm more engaged in it. I realize that it does. And it's that real instinctive kind of rejection of overbearing government that just tries to control people. And it's really interesting. I remember I've thought about this more recently, particularly in the context of speech, free speech when I was a kid. So I was born in the uk, but there were all of my family. My, my parents are Hungarian. My stepfather's hunger. Everybody's Hungarian. And most of the family is still in Hungary. And when I was a kid, we used to go there all the time, less so now, but I spent every summer there, often Christmas as well. And I remember I had two cousins. And I remember, you know, 10 or 11 years old, something like that, walking around on the streets of the town, our hometown, which is a town called Seget S Z E G E D It's in the south of Hungary, beautiful town. And I remember I don't know why I was doing this. I guess I was always, you know, a bit of a. I don't know what this says about me. But anyway, I was walking around and in Hungarian, I speak Hungarian was yelling on the street the name of the then Communist leader of Hungary, guy called Kadar. K A D A r Yanos kata. And I was saying in Hungary, which means idiot, like Kadar is an idiot. You know, just. I don't know why. Anyway, that night I remember my aunt taking me to one side and said, I heard about what you said today. And I know in England that's fine, it doesn't matter. You can say things like that. But here you just can't say things like that in public. Your cousins could really be punished for that at school, you know, I could even lose my job. So just don't say things like that. And I just remember thinking. I hardly thought about it. Then it came back to me in the context of what's going on in California. Like, one of the chapters in my book is called Maoism, which is the kind of the policing. A lot of these terrible things that have infected the rest of the country started in California. The speech controls, the race, the race extremism, equity agenda, the gender extremism, the Green New dis. So many of these things started in California. And the speech control stuff really got going in California universities. And I'm just thinking, what is this? What's going on? Because there are so many people in America today, in California today. I've heard from so many people who said, I can't say what I think because I'm going to lose my job. And, you know, I think it's. Now with the last election was a real fight back against that. So that's great. And of course, Elon, with X, et cetera. But we really got to a point where this comparison of the left here with Communism was not outlandish. Actually. It was really the same kind of mindset. And I think that for me, it's very much about. I just can't stand, you know, over mighty arrogant institutions, whether that's the government or unions or anyone else. Like, no, don't tell me what to do. That's why I feel so at home in America and so proud to be an American. Like, we're the home of that and that spirit. And California should be the most like that in the sense that we were built as a state, you know, the pioneers and the rebels and the. And if you think about all the great things that, you know, Whether that's Hollywood or Silicon Valley. It's a rebel mentality, it's disruptive. It's not this kind of nanny state bullshit, you know. And I just think what we see now in California is just the absolute opposite of the spirit of California, which is let me follow my dreams and live my life and don't tell me what to do. And we have the opposite and I feel really strongly about it.
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Steve Hilton
I think that's why we're friends. Don't tell me what to do. Same, same mentality. Steve, before we go, we saw President Trump make inroads in California. Can Republican win a gubernatorial race there? And is that Republican you?
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Travis Holloway
Yeah, well, look, I've just been very direct about it. Thank you. I'm very strongly considering it. I've been working along those lines. I haven't made a final decision yet. Kamala Harris tells us that she'll make a decision by the end of the summer. I'll make mine much sooner than that. I think that this, the signs are encouraging. I'm not saying it's going to be easy, but good, good encouraging signs. I mean, as you say, President Trump did really well. Best of any Republican candidate for generation. You saw 10 counties flip from blue to red last time in November, including, you know, and you know, not just kind of tiny, you know, important ones like Fresno county, the fifth biggest city in California. So that's all good. You saw Prop 36, which reversed the disastrous Prop 47, Kamala Harris's Pro Crime Initiative pass overwhelmingly 70. George Gascon lost in LA, the far left, DA same in Oakland, etc. So those were good signs. Also another thing I'll point to which is really just bit. It's local but it gives you a sense of what you can achieve. So there's so Huntington beach, well known beach city in Orange County, Surf City, usa, home of the beach, was, you know, they, they like just over. When was it 2020 that, that the city council of Huntington beach was six one Democrats. And then in 2022, a friend of mine, Tony Strickland, longtime political guy in California, he put together a team of candidates, four of them to run for the City council. On a very clear common sense, but, you know, strongly you could say MAGA platform. And I think for too long Republicans in California have had this idea that the way you, the only way you can win is to be kind of slightly, a little bit like a Democrat and water it down and it's California, so you can't be too kind of conservative, whatever. They went totally the Opposite direction, very strong MAGA direction. And they won four, three. They took control of the council and then they started to implement a very aggressive conservative agenda on homelessness and crime. What, what was available in the libraries. You know, they challenged, they really aggressive lawsuits against Gavin Newsom on all his statewide mandates. And they passed voter ID in Huntington beach in a ballot initiative. So they did all these things. And then just now in November, they. And they ran seven candidates this time, the seven on the council. And they literally called themselves the Magnificent Seven. Huntington Beach. They won. They all won. And so now 70 Republicans. So in the space of four years, they've gone from 61 Democrat to 70 Republicans. And I just think that spirit, that fight is really infectious and that's what we need to do. And then that's all of that is before the fires, which of course totally woke everyone up to the complete calamitous mismanagement and the fires. It's very important that they're in LA, because LA county is the biggest county, 23% of the electorate. So Republicans have to do better in LA if they're going to have a shot. And so all of that comes together, I think, and to create conditions where I think this is the best chance for, you know, at least two decades for a Republican to win. So it's not going to be easy, but it's definitely doable. There was a poll just now, literally this week, 48% of Californians would consider voting for Republicans. So I think it's definitely all to play for.
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Steve Hilton
Very interesting stuff. The book is Califalia Reversing the Ruin of America's Worst Run State. Steve Hilton, you're brilliant, my friend. Really interesting conversation. I enjoyed it very much. I hope to see you soon.
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Travis Holloway
Yes. Love being with you. Thank you.
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Steve Hilton
Lisa, I got to see you at the inauguration. We're on air together, which was a treat, so hopefully, hopefully we see each other again.
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Travis Holloway
Absolutely. Thank you.
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