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The Truth with Lisa Boothe: From Chaos to Clarity: Fixing the FBI from Within with Nicole Parker
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Lisa Booth
Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we try to cut through all of the noise and get to the heart of the issues that matter to you. So Today we've got Nicole Parker on the show. She's a former FBI special agent. She's been on the show before. She's a friend of mine, a colleague from Fox News. But she's got a front row seat to the inner workings of one of America's most critical institutions, the FBI. We're going to dive into some of these seismic changes and shake ups that are happening at the FBI under Director Cash Patel, from the reassignment of agents that have been tied to politically charged cases to this big restructuring of the agency's command. Also, just a renewed focus on things that the FBI should care about, like terrorism, actual terrorism and violent crime. We're also going to get into recent news about this 764 network that's been targeting kids online. What's that about? Also, what does she think about all of these reforms that Kash Patel is conducting? Are they the right move? And we'll also talk about those agents who were photographed kneeling during the 2020 George Floyd protests. So buckle up for a candid conversation as we unpack all of this with Nicole Parker. Stay tuned. Well, Nicole, it's great to have you on the show. Always love when I get to see you and being able to connect with you. So I really appreciate you making the time.
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Nicole Parker
It's my pleasure. I always love to join you.
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Lisa Booth
So I know you've been very passionate about wanting reforms at the FBI and making that known in a really bold and brave way. How is the FBI doing so far under Cash Patel, you know, how would you assess sort of his first 100 plus days so far or however long it's been since he was confirmed. I don't know. I should have done the math, but you know what I mean.
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Nicole Parker
Yeah, yeah, it's a little less than 100 days, but.
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Lisa Booth
Yeah, yeah, something like that. But you know.
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Nicole Parker
Right, exactly. So I think that, that Cash Patel is a breath of fresh air. And for those of those of us, the FBI that really just wanted to come and serve with honor and put bad folks behind bars, uphold the Constitution, protect the American people, I mean, his mantra is let good cops be good cops. And frankly, that's what the FBI should be doing. And I love seeing what he's doing because that's exactly what is happening. And I left the FBI the latter end close to the end of 2022. And it was under the Biden administration. I had worked under three different administrations. And it was just such a stark contrast to go from, you know, one administration where President Trump was very much focused on fighting violent crime. And then to go into the Biden administration, which is very much focused on January 6th, and going after, quote, unquote, domestic terrorism and going after conservatives, and the list goes on and on. But yet the FBI at the same time was turning a blind eye towards crimes that were being committed by those on the more liberal and progressive end of the spectrum, and the Biden family in particular. So to see Cash Patel come in and to say, look, the political weaponization of the FBI is over is very refreshing. And I do think that he's made some bold moves. When he initially came in those on the seventh floor, he basically cleaned house of the senior level executives on the seventh floor, at the Hoover Building, at the FBI headquarters. And I don't think the reform stops there. I've talked about it many times. The FBI leadership is just the beginning. Unfortunately, a lot of the issues start at the top, but they trickle down all the way through the organization, all the way down to, you know, those in the field, agents, support staff. And so I think what they're doing is looking at each individual field office, looking at the special agents in charge of each of those field offices. And I think, frankly, Lisa, a lot of these people that are not on board with the new administration and the way the FBI should be functioning, I think a lot of them are just retiring. If they're eligible to retire, they're retiring. And I don't think that's a bad thing because that way you're automatically cleaning house by those that don't want to get on board. No problem. You're eligible to retire. It's time for you to go. And so I think Americans expect to see change so quickly and drastically. And we have to remember that this problem didn't start overnight, and solving it is not going to happen overnight. But what I've seen Cash Patel doing at the direction and instruction as well, under the leadership of Attorney General Pam Bondi and ultimately under the leadership of President Trump, I have to say I think they're doing an outstanding job.
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Lisa Booth
Well, and to that point, you know, as you pointed out, they've pushed out some of the more senior agents and senior officials. They're also reassigning agents and they've resigned some agents who were photographed kneeling with demonstrators during the 2020 protests after George Floyd's death. They are also reviewing the conduct of more than 1500 agents associated with some of the more politically motivated cases. What do you think about those moves? And then also what do you think their process is when they're going through those 1500 agents to decide if they should be reassigned or, you know, pushed out.
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Nicole Parker
Okay, so first of all, you bring up a very valid and important point. The story that came out, I believe CNN broke it actually last week, is that there were members of the FBI special agents. And it was on June 4th of 2020, and they were seen kneeling to George Floyd. George Floyd protesters in Washington D.C. and what they did was wrong. These are FBI agents in their ballistic vests clearly marked with FBI. FBI agents, current and retired, were appalled by what happened on June 4th of 2020. We were absolutely shocked. But what I've said before is that there really are two FBI's. There were individuals that were appalled and shocked by that behavior of those agents that knelt to the protesters June 4th of 2020. And yet, as we see with what just occurred with these reassignments and demotions of those individuals, there were current and retired agents that were disgusted that these individuals were demoted. So there really is a push and pull inside the FBI. Some people praised the kneeling of the protesters. Others were disgusted by the kneeling of the agents to the protesters. And so it highlights what I believe is an underlying issue at the FBI. There really are two FBIs, and one of Cash Patel's really big jobs is going to be to make it one FBI. But going back to the Kneelers, what they did was clearly wrong and they're clearly marked FBI ballistic vests. And it appeared they were supporting the cause of the George Floyd protesters. And like it is never appropriate to make any political or social statement on FBI time and FBI gear, and especially in public. And the FBI is supposed to remain politically and socially neutral. And just like wearing a Trump shirt while working on FBI time is entirely inappropriate. You have your First Amendment rights, you have your rights to your opinions. But when you are an FBI special agent who has been charged with enforcing the law, you have to leave those political and social opinions at the door. And unfortunately, what I witnessed under the last several years prior to Trump coming out, coming in again as president under the Biden administration, particularly the FBI, political and social weaponization was at an all time high. And so these protesters claim that they were in fear for their lives. They were in fear of violence breaking out. And in my opinion, I saw no signs of violence or anyone being in imminent danger of death or serious physical injury. In fact, I saw agents that were clapping and were smiling at the protesters. And those are definitely not signs of duress or stress. And so we are highly trained in the FBI to defend ourselves against violence in violent situations. We are not trained to kneel. That is not what we are trained to do. And so FBI one agents, people that are trying to do the right thing at the FBI, we were certain, we're like, these agents are going to get reprimanded, they're probably going to get fired. And we were shocked. Not only did that not happen, Lisa, they got promotions to some of the most highly sought after positions at the FBI. And the FBI Agents association actually offered them $100 gift cards for the stress that they had to go through that day. And I can tell you right now, I've worked some very high stress situations and I was never offered a $100 gift card. And so that's just a slice of what was going on at the FBI under the last administration and under the leadership of Christopher Wray. So those are, that's just one blatant example of political and social weaponization. And so I do agree, when cash is coming in, Director Patel and saying, look, that should not be rewarded, and those individuals were reassigned and demoted, obviously the FBI doesn't give an official statement on it because they don't discuss personnel matters, but they did. There were individuals that came out and spoke about that.
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Lisa Booth
How do you. Okay, so I get the senior officials and the people calling the shots. Right? Because they're the decision makers. Right. And if they're making bad decisions, then, you know, they should be cut loose or I know, reassign sometimes that they can't fire people or whatever. But for the 1500 agents they're looking at, I guess, how do you decide between, like, were they just doing their jobs because that's what they were asked to do working at the FBI, or are they to blame? Right. Like, I guess, how do you figure that out? Is that an excuse that it's just their job? I don't know. I'm just trying to think through it.
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Nicole Parker
Right. And that's a logical question to ask. And I, and I agree with you 100%. You know, well, what is the, what are they looking at? And I think what the media is reporting and what's actually happening internally at the FBI or sometimes very two different things. But I do think that there are individuals who are not in leadership roles at the FBI who have done the wrong thing. And they basically use their law enforcement power to push their political and social agendas. And trust me, there are ways for the new FBI director to find that out. And I think it's a lot about motive and intent.
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Lisa Booth
Right.
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Nicole Parker
There were a lot of agents that said, you know, several agents Thousands of FBI employees were assigned to work January 6th investigations. And I can tell you that I personally know people that did not want to do that. And they, they did it because they were told that they had to. And they, you know, well, I'm doing what I'm told to do. I also know agents and support staff that were told to do it, and they said, I'm sorry, but I'm not going to do that. And so I think it really has to do with a lot of times in life, and especially at the FBI. What is your motive? Are you salivating at the chance to go after Trump supporters? Because I can tell you there were individuals at the FBI that literally were. That's what they, you know, they had no problem doing that. And there were others that were more resistant. And so they're going to have to look at the individuals on a case by case basis. I'm not sure what their criteria is or what they're looking at, and I'm not sure what their overall plan is, but I'm telling you it's starts at the top. And so I think that's what they're initially trying to do, is start with the leadership and see who is where and what needs to change. And I have no doubt in my mind, though, that there will be accountability and that there will be tangible consequences for those who have not done the right thing as they have served in the FBI. There has to be, in order to gain the trust of the American people, there has to be consequences. And, you know, we talked about Another case, the 2017 shooting at the baseball game, right, where Steve Scalise almost died. That's serious. And it just came out and they've reviewed and Cash Patel, Director Patel, released, you know, the file, and there's, there's proof that that was a botched investigation.
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Lisa Booth
And so just real quick for the audience. So the House Republicans, because of information that records released to Congress by Cash Patel in March, the House Republicans have revisited the 2017 congressional baseball shooting. They put out a report from the House Intelligence Committee, and basically the FBI initially tried to characterize the intentional shooting, the attentional assassination of House Republicans as a suicide by cop, mission by the Bernie Sanders supporter instead of what we know it to be, which was, you know, an act of terrorism, basically a politically motivated act of terrorism to kill Republicans.
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Nicole Parker
Correct. And for an FBI agent to not be able to see that and to call it what it is, there needs to be accountability. Granted, that was in 2017. I couldn't tell you who worked that investigation, what Their status is with the FBI. If they're current employees, if they retired years ago, I don't know. But that is the type of thing that destroys the trust of the American people. And there has to be accountability and consequences. And one thing I deeply respect about this new administration and about what Director Patel is doing is he's transparent. You're seeing more things released. This was back in 2017. It is now 2025. Why did it take them so long to release this? Right. A lot of documents are classified. The FBI has a lot of classified information. Well, they do that for several reasons. Sometimes it's fully justified that it's classified. But I personally believe many things are over classified in an effort to keep it within the agency. Right. And so I have a huge amount of respect for what Director Patel is doing. He's going in there and he's saying, look, we need to gain the trust of the American people. Let's be transparent, let's be honest. Let's learn from our past mistakes. Let's have accountability and let's move forward. Let's get back to what Americans actually care about. Okay? The fact that they focused on January 6, predominantly misdemeanors for four years, while there were violent criminals pouring into our country across the border, and there are people who have been murdered. That's. Americans want to feel safe, and that's what this FBI is going to be about, making America safe again. But again, we cannot forget what happened, and there has to be consequences. But we've got to look forward and take care of making America safe again.
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Lisa Booth
When Kash Patel made that point during his confirmation hearing, which I thought was really great to hear, he said that his objective is that the 100,000 rapes in this country next year to make sure that when you're looking at the 100,000 rapes that we saw or the 100,000 drug overdoses from Chinese fentanyl and Mexican heroin and 17,000 homicides that his goal is to look, to try to, you know, cut those in half, to diminish those, to get back to the basics, as you pointed out, of what the FBI is supposed to be about. The real core mission of the FBI and, you know, to get away from all the politics. Correct.
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Nicole Parker
Correct. Foreign terrorist organization groups, that's FBI's primary responsibility. You know, foreign and domestic terrorism. But in the last administration, the definition of domestic terrorism doesn't exactly match what the true, you know, definition of domestic terrorism is Going after. School board, parents, you know, going after Catholics. That's not what the FBI's focus should be so foreign terrorist organization groups. Terrorism in general, foreign and domestic, obviously. Counterintelligence, espionage. There are some major threats coming from China, Russia. These are things that the FBI is entrusted to investigate and to protect us from. And additionally, you have all the criminal matters. Okay, so you've got the terrorism side of the House, counterintelligence side of the House, and the criminal side of the House. All of those together have to be investigated. And so the use of valuable resources at the Bureau, we have to make sure that we're prioritizing what truly matters most in protecting our country. And I can tell you what they did for the last four years. And focusing on January 6th misdemeanors, in my opinion, was a blatant misuse of FBI resources. And now Cash Patel is getting the FBI back on track with Dan Bongino and all of the other leadership that they're appointing. And they're looking at the true threats facing Americans. And I respect that. And as an agent who worked violent crime, that's a serious problem in our country, and especially violent crimes against children.
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Lisa Booth
Well, I also think that, you know, they put us at risk, to your point, because if you're focused on going after grandma who spent two seconds in, you know, the Capitol and didn't cause any harm to anyone, it didn't cause any injury to anyone. That means you're not going after, like, a terrorist or you're not going after a child molester, or you're not going after, you know, it's like you're the big fish in an effort to catch, like, someone who probably shouldn't even be arrested to begin with, you know, so it's like, so that made us less safe. We've gotten more with Nicole. But first, as Mother Day approaches, I want to highlight an organization that cares deeply for mothers, and that's preborn. Preborn's network of clinics exists exclusively to offer love, life, and support to pregnant mothers who are feeling scared and alone and are being pressured to make the ultimate choice that will not only sacrifice the life of their preborn baby, but also take a piece of their heart. When a distressed mother comes to preborn, she is welcomed with open arms and is offered a free ultrasound to hear and see the precious life inside of her. And the majority of the time, she will choose life. This Mother's Day, you can help bring life to both a mother in need and an at risk baby. One ultrasound is only $28 and five ultrasounds are $140. Every penny goes towards loving mothers and babies as well. And when you become a monthly sponsor, you will receive pictures and stories of the lives you help save. To get involved, simply dial pound250 and say the keyword baby. That's pound250 baby. Or visit preborn.com booth that's preborn.com booth B O O T H E sponsored by Preborn.
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Nicole Parker
Foreign.
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Lisa Booth
I want to ask you too about the way the FBI is traditionally structured and then this desire for reform from Cash Patel to sort of decentralize the command structure to, you know, reorganize the FBI into like three regional divisions and to kind of like what do you make of that desire to decentralize? What do you think that would mean for the FBI and how do you see that?
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Nicole Parker
Okay, so first of all, I think a lot of the problems from the FBI, again, FBI too, is what I refer to it, the political and social weaponization. Those that are not doing the right thing. I think a lot of them do stem and the nucleus has traditionally been in the Washington, D.C. area, either at headquarters or Washington field office. And so I think what his goal is to There are way too many people in Washington, D.C. and the headquarters division. Okay. What he's asking and changing is decentralizing a lot of that and sending a lot of those agents that are in positions that are, I would say almost administrative. I call them paper pushers. Sometimes they're not actually working cases and investigations that are protecting and saving the American people. They're up at headquarters doing administrative work. Okay. That's not really what Americans need right now. So I love the idea that Director Patel is sending agents from headquarters in D.C. and saying, no, you're going back to the field. And that's all going to come into effect, I believe, you know, in the next couple of months. We're talking a lot of people that have been at FBI headquarters in Washington, D.C. on what we call temporary duty assignments, TD wise. Typically they're about 18 months. And he's saying a lot of you are now going back to the field offices because that's actually where the crimes are committed and that's where they need the agents is working actual investigations, because investigations are what cause people to. Agents conduct investigations. That's when you're putting the handcuffs on people and they're going behind bars. That's what actually makes America safe, not pushing paper up at DC and so I love that that's what he's doing. And so decentralizing a lot of it and getting bodies out of D.C. unfortunately, a lot of the deep rot is so intertwined in that inner beltway of D.C. and by moving bodies out, I think it really will assist in decentralizing the problems of the FBI and breaking it up and getting people back into the field, doing work, putting it into the different components of the three different regions. I think it's something that they should definitely continue to pursue. Let's see how it works. But what they're doing right now and what Christopher Wray had been doing and Jim Comey, it wasn't working, it wasn't successful. And the FBI became completely politically and socially weaponized under that structure. I like that he's taking a fresh look and trying to see how can we really create true reform. And so again, taking these TDY assignments, putting agents back into the field where they're actually working cases, I think that's a huge, a huge bonus and a great move for the FBI.
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Lisa Booth
So it's reported this week that the FBI is investigating this what they call sophisticated criminal network targeting kids and online or in teens online, known as 764. And the predators are known for targeting minors on social media, using coercion to get them to film themselves committing violent acts or sexual or violence or sexual acts, and then using those videos to extort minors for more violence and sexual videos that are then shared with the. These 70. 764, that's what the group called the, the group of followers. So they're investigating at least 250 subjects who are tied to this online network. Had you heard of this online network before? Does anything stand out to you about, you know, hearing about this network called 7 64.
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Nicole Parker
Yes. So, first of all, yes, this is something that the FBI has been looking into and will continue to look into. There are some very dark, evil things that the FBI investigates. And in my opinion, the violent crimes against children, that's what this, you know, violation would fall under, the crimes against children. To me, it is the darkest work that FBI agents do. And children are the most vulnerable members of our society. And unfortunately, there are some evil, sick monsters out there who are violating our children and are doing evil and disgusting things to our children. And like I said, they are the most vulnerable. They don't have things to defend themselves. They are moldable. They are. You know, they do. It's online predators. It is so imperative that parents are aware of what their children are doing online. Who are they communicating with, how are they being attacked online? A lot of this is happening, and parents don't even know. I've worked on VCAC squads. I've worked recruiting sources for crimes against children. It is very, very dark. And I can tell you that this administration is going to be more committed to protecting our children probably than any other administration. I know Attorney General Pam Bondi is all hands on deck. I know FBI Director Cash Patel, all hands on deck. And frankly, the work that those agents are doing, it is exhausting. They are swamped. It is overwhelming. And this is an example of how I would like to see, personally, resources that may have been dedicated towards January six and shifting it over to protecting and saving our children. These are complicated and sophisticated cases. They are very dangerous. Lisa, I know I've talked to you about it before. My best friend in the FBI, Special Agent Laura Schwarzenberger, shot and killed the morning of February 2nd of 2021. And she was executing a search warrant against a child predator. Okay, this is serious. These criminals are the most dangerous. They know that they're going away for a very long time. Because when you go to jail for a crime like this, like Pam Bondi has promised today, this administration is not going to go easy on these people. And you're potentially looking at life. I've worked investigations for crimes against children. I worked one in particular off the top of my head. The guy got four life sentences. That's more than some people get for, you know, killing someone. And so it's serious. But what they're doing to your child is even more serious. And the way that they manipulate and hurt children is inexcusable. And we must treat this and execute and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. They must be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I love that the FBI was participating with doj and they came in and executed these arrests of a couple hundred people. That's huge. That is a wake up call to the American people. Director Patel means business. Attorney General Pam Bondi means business. And they are not going to back down. And I don't know about you, but I'd rather be hearing about children being protected than grandma's getting arrested for going inside the Capitol with their camera or their phone. That's what the FBI needs to be doing and that's what you can expect to see more of. And that's what's going to regain the trust of the American people.
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Lisa Booth
And there's been criticism from the right about with the Attorney General Pam Bondi and Cash Patel for not releasing things like the Epstein files of, you know, wanting more information, of wanting that transparency. The attorney general said that the FBI is going through the Epstein files, that there are tens of thousands of videos of Epstein with children or child porn and hundreds of victims, and the FBI is going through all that. Will we get that information about Jeffrey Epstein and who was involved? Do you think that information will ever come to light?
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Nicole Parker
What I believe is if Pam Bondi says she's going to do something, she is going to do it. And my understanding is that they're working on it right now at the FBI and there are very important rules and laws and protections that a lot of people may not be aware of. But as a victim of a crime, you have rights. And when you are a juvenile, also known as a minor, we protect them. And those victims, they must be protected. Their identities have to be protected. Their information has to be protected. And that's how it should be. And that's what Americans should want. We do not want to exploit any of these victims. They've already been horrified enough that they had to live through this. And so a lot of time it takes to go through and make sure. That anything that refers to a victim has to be redacted. Any of the information about them, their age, their, you know, all of that sort of information has to be redacted. We've got images, videos, child porn. I mean, it is a lot of information that they're having to go through. So it takes time. And I know that's not what people want to hear, but it's got to be done right. And that's out of respect for the victims.
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Lisa Booth
Makes sense. Nicole Parker, great to have you on, my friend. I appreciate you bringing us some insight into some of the FBI developments and would love to have you back on and hope to see you soon.
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Nicole Parker
My pleasure. And again, I'm very hopeful and I think amazing things are in store for our country and I think the FBI is getting back on track.
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Lisa Booth
Well, your hopefulness makes me more hopeful. All right, I appreciate it.
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Nicole Parker
All right.
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Lisa Booth
Thank you, my friend. Take care.
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Nicole Parker
All right. Bye. Bye.
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Lisa Booth
That was Nicole Parker. Appreciate her for making the time to come on the show. Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday. But of course, you can listen throughout the week. Until next time.
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Nicole Parker
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