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Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth. Today we've got Attorney General Ken Paxton on the show. He just announced a primary run against John Coran for Senate. So of course I'm going to ask him about that. Why did he decide to run? What are his chances? We'll dig into that. Also, I don't know if you saw, but the New York Times is now coining a new phrase for the left, dark woke. Sounds stupid, probably because it is. What does it mean? What do you need to know about it? Also, was Biden's border crisis just a deliberate ploy to flood the country with new voters and also to skew the census and electoral college votes? We'll dig in with Ken Paxton. And why are Democrats just doubling down on men and women's sports? We know it's a 20 issue for them, so why double down? So from these political power grabs to these cultural controversies, we're going to dig into all of it and get the truth with Attorney General Ken Paxton. Stay tuned.
Well, Attorney General Ken Paxton, it's great to have you on the show. I appreciate you making the time.
Ken Paxton
Hey, glad to be back. And you have a great show and I'm glad to be on it.
Lisa Booth
I appreciate it. So I wanted to start it. I don't know if you saw. So Democrats are like desperately trying to figure out their footing as we, we've seen. And there's this New York Times article, we talked about it on Outnumbered today, which I just thought it was really funny. I don't know if you saw this. And it's they're calling it the dark woke. And the New York Times quote says, what is dark woke? Democrats are trying out a new attitude. It's provocative, edgy and perilously toeing the line of not being too offensive. But it just sort of underscores this journey that the Democrat Party has been on. Why do you think they're struggling so hard to find their footing?
Ken Paxton
Because this, this wokeness that they promoted doesn't work. People don't benefit from it. They don't get it. They see that the results of it are bad for America and it's bad for them, bad for their families, bad for their kids. There's no upside to it. It's just liberal policy that harms people, that doesn't provide benefits. And people have figured it out, so they're struggling to find a new message and a new narrative.
Lisa Booth
I had this conversation with Paul Morrow, who I'm sure you're familiar with from Fox, and we're talking about with all these judges trying to block President Trump from following through with this promise of mass deportations. And if you really think about it, it's kind of genius from the left to have allowed millions of illegal aliens into the country because I think they knew that it would be difficult to try to deport them. You know, you look at the immigration court, there's a backlog of over 3.6 million people already. Even for non asylum cases, the proceedings can take a couple of years. Will we ever be able to get.
Rid of some of these people?
Ken Paxton
Look, first of all, I think these judges are out of control. There's no doubt there, there is a place for, for a nationwide injunction, but it usually relates to things like we did where we sued Joe Biden for not enforcing deportation laws. This is a President Donald Trump who's actually trying to enforce the existing laws. And these judges are stepping into a role that is not theirs. They're not the executive, they're not the president. But I do think over time, we're going to win these cases. And I think we're going to start seeing the Trump administration push more and more of these illegals out. But you're right, the left, their philosophy was get these people in here as fast as possible. And that's what they did. They got what it was like 3 or 4 million people a year that they pushed into this country and moved them all over the country and took care of all of their needs to the detriment of the American people.
Lisa Booth
I mean, I think he's smart to use things like the Alien Enemies Act.
Right.
I think that was part of the plan to sort of allow for, to make removal easier, you know, particularly for, you know, these gang bangers and bad people. What do you think to yourself when you see Democrats like Chris Van Hollen going to El Salvador to advocate for a guy, an illegal alien, who, you know, a couple judges thought to believe that he was an MS.13 member, that even the Prince George's Police department thought to be an MS.13 member?
Ken Paxton
I think the senator is a pathetic senator because you're Talking about people in this country that are, that did really bad things, have done evil things to American people and that are doing evil things. And that will be a risk and a threat. I mean, they're one, they're here illegally, but second of all, they're being targeted because they're criminals. What? And we've got senators, you think that he had, he's got a multitrillion dollar budget deficit every year. He's got all kinds of problems in America, and he's off helping some guy in El Salvador who's, who's a threat to our society. I don't know what's wrong with that Senator, but he's got, he's got issues.
Lisa Booth
Well, like, it clearly shows that we're not the priority. Right. Like they don't care. They've given up trying to appeal to, you know, American voters.
Right.
Like they don't. It's not about America first, it's Americans last. And, and you see, they don't even really have to clear a pathway for illegal aliens to be able to vote because they're already impacting the power dynamics in the country with the census right. Of non citizens being included in the apportionment for both the House of Representatives as well as for electoral colleges. And we heard from Representative Yvette Clark during a hearing in 2021, and she said, my district can absorb a significant number of these migrants. Adding, I just need more people in my district for redistributing searching purposes.
Ken Paxton
That's one of the, I mean, that's.
Lisa Booth
Kind of the goal, right?
Ken Paxton
Yeah, yeah, it's one of the nefarious goals. I think there's several goals, but that's. Certainly they ultimately want these people voting. But definitely the first step was using those numbers to pad their numbers in the House so they can control the U.S. house and potentially even affects Senate seats. So there's no doubt. And potentially presidential election. So there's no doubt that they had nefarious purposes. They know they can't win on their message. They don't. They see it. They see that their message doesn't help America. And, and so they import votes and they import strategies that help them hold on to power at the expense of the American people.
Lisa Booth
Why do you think I know that you've been fighting against this even in red state of Texas, but why are Democrats doubling down on men and women's sports?
Ken Paxton
You know, that one's even a mystery to me. I don't understand why any parent, which most of these Democrats are parents who have daughters would want their daughters to have to deal with this issue because it effectively eliminates daughters from being able to compete in sports. And the whole purpose of federal laws protecting women's sports was this, so that they would have an opportunity to compete. They'd have fair opportunity to compete, fair opportunity to participate. And now the Democrats are saying, no, we're going to let men have an unfair advantage and come compete against women. It doesn't make any sense to me. I don't even, I don't understand at all. It's one of the most, I guess, mysterious positions that they've taken.
Lisa Booth
You know, it's interesting too. I'm sure you remember, like I was working on Capitol Hill and in politics and I remember the whole like, war on women.
Right.
Like Republicans were engaging in this war on women. It played out in the 2012 presidential race as well with Mitt Romney being like, I binders full of women, which was a strange comment to make. But, you know, I digress. But now to your point, it's like it's not just the gauging a war on women. They're trying to erase women. Like, it's like it's, it's confusing.
Ken Paxton
It's very confusing. I mean, these statutes were designed to give them, you know, some funding and some opportunity and sort of generally agreed on by, you know, it was a bipartisan really issue. Even though they claimed that it was a democratic issue. The reality is now they flipped it on its head and they're opposing women. I'm shocked that more Democratic women aren't upset about this. Those women have, have children as well. They have daughters who should have a fair opportunity to compete and be equally funded. And, and that's, that's obviously getting flipped if you allow men to participate in women's sports. I don't even understand why, Honestly, I don't understand why men want to participate in women's sports. It seems like a, I don't know, they have an unfair advantage and why they would feel good about themselves winning in a women's sports. I don't, I don't really understand that either.
Lisa Booth
Yeah, I mean, like the men doing that, I question their desire to want to be in a woman's locker room. I question their desire to want to steal those opportunities for women. You know, that makes me very suspicious of these men. Right. And they're, they're, you know, what their true motivations are. It's, you know, question their, their mental health as well.
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You've decided to get in to primary Senator John Cornyn. What provoked that? You know, why did you make that decision?
Ken Paxton
So it's just been too long. He's been there for 24 years. He wants to be there for 33 decades of serving Mitch McConnell effectively. What he's done, it's been Mitch McConnell's lap lap dog and he hasn't represented the people of Texas, okay, maybe he's a Republican from New York. We might accept his, his weak behavior and his lack of ability to lead on important Republican issues. But, you know, he's been the guy that was, you know, Joe Biden's guy for passing gun restrictions. Well, that wasn't a very popular issue in Texas, certainly not what we sent him to do. But he did it. He enabled the ATF to push forward even greater expansive gun restrictions that I had to go sue them over. Had John Cornyn not done that, I wouldn't be in the middle of those lawsuits. But he effectively is fighting against his own people. He's been an outspoken critic of the border wall and Trump's border wall. He said it over and over that he didn't want a border wall. He's insinuated that amnesty is a path that he likes that's again, very unpopular in Texas. And he's also been a, he's been, he's been in opposition to President Trump in 2016 when he said he was an albatross around our neck. And then in 2024, he insinuated that he was a criminal and that he was not going to support Trump, that we needed to move in a different direction. And I heard him on the radio today supposedly saying that he was he aligned with Donald Trump, as I am. Well, maybe today Johnny come lately because he's in a primary, but that has not been his position over the last 12 years or 10 years that Trump's been around.
Lisa Booth
And I think Texas is kind of an interesting state too, because it's sort of like loosing the football for Democrats. They keeping like this is our cycle, we're going to win statewide. And then inevitably they don't sort of looking ahead at the midterms. You know, what are you seeing in Texas? You know, what are you hearing sort of electorally of what this might look like for us as a party?
Ken Paxton
You know, we're pretty far out, I think, you know, midterms typically don't go as well for the party in power, but it all depends on performance. And if Trump can, can pick up this economy, which I, I think he will, he's had success in the past. If the economy is in shape, usually that means good things for, for the, for the party in power. So I'm optimistic because I believe in Donald Trump, I believe in his policies, and I think they're good for America. So as long as we're performing well in two years, I think we'll be fine. If we have trouble with the economy for Whatever reason, then that's always more of a challenge.
Lisa Booth
Where are you on the tariffs?
Ken Paxton
I'm a free trader, but I also want fair trade. And I think what the President is trying to address is the fact that many of these countries, particularly China, but other countries as well, have not treated us fairly. And I think he's trying to even the playing field. I think in the end, we're going to see a lot more trade, a lot more free trade, and it's not going to be so one sided. I think what the President's trying to do is correct the wrongs of the past that no other president willing to do. And we've been at the short end of the stick and I think he's trying to fix that. And you know, I applaud him for making the significant attempt to do that.
Lisa Booth
How do you think he's doing so far this term?
Ken Paxton
Look, I think he's working faster than I've ever seen any president work. And I said that about his first term, that he was the most effective president president in four years that I'd ever seen, getting more good things done for Americans than I did anyone. And I was a huge Ronald Reagan. But Ronald Reagan did what he did in eight years. Trump did what he did in four years. And the reality is he's moving even faster with this Doge stuff and putting out these executive orders to eliminate regulations and to free up the American economy. He's putting in great people into cabinet positions. I mean, I give the guy for the first few months of his term. I hope it continues and I think it will.
Lisa Booth
Have you been surprised at all to the opposition to Doge and trying to cut some federal spending?
Ken Paxton
Heck no. I expect it. There's entrenched power forces, people making trillions. We got trillions of dollars in debt. They're making billions of dollars. Look at Stacey Abrams gets a payoff of 2 billion or whatever she got for her tiny little non profit. Of course people are going to hate the, the stop of free money that doesn't benefit any of us except the people that are getting it. So I totally am not surprised by the resistance to the gravy train, the free money, the taxpayer payouts. It's necessary for us to get our budget and our deficit under control. And of course there's going to be opposition to doing the right thing. Thank you, President Trump and Elon Musk for getting this done.
Lisa Booth
Are you sure you want to try to go to Washington D.C. there's that infamous quote that, you know, if you want a friend In Washington, get a dog. You know, like, are you sure? Are you sure you want to go.
Ken Paxton
To D.C. i'm not going for fun. I'm not going to make friends. I'm going to represent my state in a way that's been better than John Cornyn even dreamed of trying. This is the first attempt he's made a trying now that he has a primary opponent. But, you know, we just deserve better representation if we're going to fix this country. We can't have a John Cornyn from Texas messing that up. We need two good senators. We have one Ted Cruz, and we can see the difference. It's pretty clear that the people of Texas has two very different centers. Ted Cruz is a shining example of what you need to be. And John Cornyn is a failure. And it's time even his own supporters know that he shouldn't run for his fifth term. He's been in office over 40 years and he's a 30 year incumbent in the US Senate. That's too long, John. Take a vacation. Do something different. Retirement. But it's been too long.
Lisa Booth
Attorney General, is there anything else you'd like to leave us with before we go?
Ken Paxton
Look, I think that we have a great opportunity here. We have a great president, we have great leadership, great vice president. We have the House, we have the Senate. We have the opportunity now. If we continue to elect conservative Republicans, that will push the envelope. We can fix the problems that we have, get us on a better path, and we have a bright future. If we don't do that, we just waste our four years and we don't elect the right people, then we're going to suffer the consequences. I'm optimistic. And that's what, that's why I'm running.
Lisa Booth
Attorney General Ken Paxton of Texas. Appreciate you making the time, sir.
Ken Paxton
Hey, thank you. Have a great day.
Lisa Booth
I want to thank Attorney General Ken Paxton for coming on the show. Want to thank you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week. Until next time.
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Release Date: April 24, 2025
Guest: Attorney General Ken Paxton
Host: Lisa Booth
In this compelling episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, host Lisa Booth engages in an in-depth conversation with Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton. The discussion centers on the evolving political landscape, focusing on the Democratic Party's strategies, immigration policies, sports regulations, and Paxton's own campaign against Senator John Cornyn.
Lisa Booth introduces the concept of "dark woke," a term coined by The New York Times to describe the Democratic Party's current ideological stance. She probes Paxton on why Democrats appear to be losing touch with their base.
Notable Quote:
"This wokeness that they promoted doesn't work. People don't benefit from it. They don't get it. They see that the results of it are bad for America and it's bad for them, bad for their families, bad for their kids."
— Ken Paxton [05:11]
Paxton argues that the Democratic focus on progressive "woke" policies has alienated voters by failing to deliver tangible benefits, leading to a struggle in redefining their message.
The conversation shifts to immigration, with Paxton criticizing the Democrats for their handling of illegal immigration. He contends that the influx of millions of illegal aliens has been a strategic move to influence the census and electoral outcomes.
Notable Quotes:
"The left, their philosophy was get these people in here as fast as possible. And that's what they did. They got what it was like 3 or 4 million people a year that they pushed into this country."
— Ken Paxton [06:15]
"They see it. They see that their message doesn't help America. They see it doesn't help America."
— Ken Paxton [09:02]
Paxton emphasizes the judiciary's role in obstructing President Trump's deportation efforts and anticipates legal victories that would enable stronger enforcement of existing immigration laws.
A heated discussion ensues regarding the Democratic stance on men participating in women's sports. Paxton criticizes this policy as detrimental to women's athletic opportunities.
Notable Quote:
"It effectively eliminates daughters from being able to compete in sports... it's like it's not just the gauging a war on women. They're trying to erase women."
— Ken Paxton [11:47]
Paxton expresses confusion and frustration over what he perceives as Democrats undermining protections established for women's sports, questioning the rationale behind allowing men to compete in these categories.
Paxton outlines his decision to challenge long-serving Senator John Cornyn in the Republican primary. He criticizes Cornyn's allegiance to Mitch McConnell and his opposition to Trump's policies.
Notable Quotes:
"He's been Mitch McConnell's lap dog and he hasn't represented the people of Texas... he's been an outspoken critic of the border wall and Trump's border wall."
— Ken Paxton [17:04]
"We have one Ted Cruz, and we can see the difference. It's pretty clear that the people of Texas has two very different centers. Ted Cruz is a shining example of what you need to be. And John Cornyn is a failure."
— Ken Paxton [21:39]
Paxton positions himself as a staunch supporter of President Trump, aiming to provide stronger representation for Texas by opposing what he sees as Cornyn's ineffective and contradictory policies.
The discussion moves to international trade, where Paxton expresses support for fair trade practices while criticizing existing trade imbalances, particularly with China.
Notable Quote:
"I'm a free trader, but I also want fair trade. The President is trying to correct the wrongs of the past that no other president was willing to do."
— Ken Paxton [19:33]
Paxton lauds President Trump's efforts to renegotiate trade deals to ensure a more balanced and equitable trading environment for America.
Lisa Booth inquires about Paxton's assessment of President Trump's performance during his term. Paxton offers a highly favorable evaluation, highlighting Trump's rapid policy implementations and economic strategies.
Notable Quote:
"Look, I think he's working faster than I've ever seen any president work... He's putting in great people into cabinet positions."
— Ken Paxton [20:10]
Paxton credits Trump with being more effective than previous presidents, noting his swift actions to eliminate regulations and stimulate the American economy.
When questioned about opposition to fiscal policies like "Doge stuff" and federal spending cuts, Paxton remains unshaken, attributing resistance to entrenched interests benefiting from current expenditures.
Notable Quote:
"There's entrenched power forces, people making trillions. They're making billions of dollars. Look at Stacey Abrams gets a payoff of 2 billion or whatever she got for her tiny little non-profit."
— Ken Paxton [20:56]
He defends efforts to control the national deficit and budget, portraying such measures as necessary for America's financial health despite expected pushback from powerful entities.
As the episode draws to a close, Paxton reiterates his optimism for the future under conservative leadership and emphasizes the importance of electing the right candidates to sustain progress.
Notable Quote:
"We have a great president, we have great leadership, great vice president... If we continue to elect conservative Republicans, that will push the envelope. We have a bright future."
— Ken Paxton [22:44]
Paxton's closing remarks underscore his commitment to his campaign and his belief in the Republican Party's ability to address and rectify America's challenges effectively.
Democratic Strategy: Paxton critiques the Democratic Party's focus on "dark woke" policies, suggesting they have failed to resonate with the electorate.
Immigration Concerns: He argues that Democrats' immigration policies are strategically designed to manipulate census data and electoral outcomes, disadvantaging American citizens.
Sports Policy Criticism: Paxton is against the inclusion of men in women's sports, believing it undermines the integrity and opportunities for female athletes.
Senate Primary Challenge: Emphasizing his alignment with President Trump, Paxton justifies his decision to run against Senator Cornyn as a move to better represent Texas and uphold conservative values.
Trade and Economic Policies: Advocates for fair trade practices and supports Trump's aggressive stance on renegotiating trade deals to benefit America.
Optimism for the Future: Paxton remains positive about the Republican Party's direction and its capacity to overcome opposition and foster a prosperous future.
This episode offers a critical look at contemporary political issues from Ken Paxton's perspective, highlighting his positions on key topics and his strategic approach to Texas politics.