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The Truth with Lisa Boothe: Inside the Charlie Kirk Assassination Case: Gregg Jarrett Breaks Down the Evidence, Jury Bias & Death Penalty Stakes
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Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today we're going to talk about Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin. I feel like the world really hasn't been the same since September 10th, since Charlie Kirk's public execution. We're going to talk about the mountain of evidence that is stacked up against Robinson. Will he get the death penalty? And then also will some of these conspiracies that we're hearing on the left and the right, will that impact, will that taint the juror poll? We're going to ask FOX News legal analyst Greg Jarrett, a colleague of mine. He's also a bestselling author and a former prosecutor. You know who he is. He's got a lot of insight and a lot of these things. We're going to ask him. We might also talk about the O.J. simpson trial as well. Are there parallels to that was sort of the publicness, the political nature of of it? How much of it is all of a difference? How much of a difference does that all make? I'm also going to get his take on Letitia James sort of escaping justice. And the Supreme Court is looking at a whole bunch of things that might change the political landscape. We're going to get Greg Jarrett's take on that and so much more. Stay with us. Well, Greg Jarrett, it's colleague from FOX News News. It's great to have you on my podcast. I really appreciate you making the time.
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My pleasure, Lisa.
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So we all saw the horrific public execution of Charlie Kirk. Just a horrendous time for the country. Tyler Robertson faced court for the first time today. I mean, from what you're the attorney here, but from what I'm looking at it, you know, they've got DNA forensics, they've got surveillance, you know, footage. They've got what seems like admissions as well. How do you describe sort of the evidence against him right now and you know, how strong is this case against him from your perspective?
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Well, it's compelling. It's overwhelming evidence of guilt, provided that the government when they seized, for example, documents followed the rules. Did they make sure, for example, that they had obtained a search warrant when they went into his home and found documents when they seized his computer and accessed it? I have to think that they did follow the rules and, you know, got the proper search warrant to avoid what is typically a challenge by defense attorneys under the Fourth Amendment, unreasonable search and seizure to try to toss out the incriminating evidence. That's a standard move. We saw it recently play out in the Luigi Mangioni case. He's the accused assassin of the Healthcare CEO. And there became quite a debate in court pre trial as to whether or not that evidence should be tossed. I'm sure that it will not be, but you got to follow the rules. So, you know, the, the evidence is considerable. I mean, he allegedly confessed to one or more members of his family who convinced him to turn himself in. And then there's the text messages to his roommate that are highly incriminating, all but admitting that he did it. So it's pretty strong case.
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Do you think, you know, do you think there's any culpability on behalf of the roommate? Obviously, he's not been charged with anything, but what do you, what do you make of the roommate?
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Well, it's a provocative question. If you look at his responses in the text messages, he seems surprised at what, you know, his roommate, the accused, did. But if he aided and abetted in any form or fashion, he can be charged as an accessory before the fact. And if he did anything at all to assist or to cover up evidence, he could be charged as an accessory after the fact. Now, I haven't seen any of that evidence that would incriminate the roommate, but we just don't know yet. It's still early.
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Do you think, would those things have already happened? Would he have already been charged at this point if they believe the incredible, incredible. The evidence existed, the incriminating evidence existed, or have people been, you know, charged at a later point in these sorts of investigations?
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Yeah, I, I think typically as soon as you gain the evidence, you file the charges. The assassination happened in September. Considerable time has gone by so that law enforcement, including the FBI, can marshal together whatever evidence they have. And I would think that you're correct, Lisa, if, if they had such evidence, an indictment would have been rendered by now. But, you know, you never know.
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You know, there's concerns. Obviously this is highly political. You know, Charlie Kirk was a public figure. It's been widely reported about, you know, we sort of have conspiracies going on in both left wing and right wing circles. Is it going to be difficult to find an impartial jury, or do you worry a little bit about a tainting of the jury pool given just the political nature, the publicness of all of this?
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You know, I cover the O.J. simpson case from beginning to end. Nine months in Los Angeles, where I used to practice law by the way, back in the mid-1990s. And if ever there was a high profile case with a tremendous amount of pretrial publicity, that was it. Beginning, you know, with a slow speed chase. And yet they were able to find what the court determined to be a fair and impartial jury. He was acquitted. So that Sort of neutralizes the argument of pretrial publicity extending to the detriment of the accused. He was acquitted. I think most of America, along with myself, and I knew it back then, have come to realize that he was dead bank guilty and a civil jury determined it too. I mean, I've never seen such overwhelming evidence of guilt in any of the thousand trials that I've covered or tried. So, you know, I, I think you always have to be cautious about pre trial publicity. But I was happy to result today where the judge decided that there'll be cameras in the courtroom, at least for today's proceeding. I think that will extend to the trial. You know, the Sixth Amendment in the Bill of Rights guarantees public trials. It is the ultimate form of accountability when the government prosecutes somebody. And if we're going to have faith and confidence in our justice system, we must be able to see it at work with our own eyes. And you know, our framers did away with the secret star chambers in Europe where the public never knew whether the legal process was fair because it was hidden behind closed doors. That was anathema to America's principles of freedom and transparency. And you know, public trials have a great deal of benefits when people can watch and listen to the evidence and testimony. It counteracts misinformation that often proliferates in high profile cases. It deters perjury when a person knows that the public is watching. And I think it gives more effective and professional trials when the judges and lawyer lawyers know that there is a larger public audience, they prepare more, they try harder. And you know, often the general public is excluded from trials for practical reasons. There are only limited number of seats in any given courtroom. What about the people who can't afford to travel to the venue to watch a case in which they have an interest. But you know, in the high tech media age, trials are now accessible to everyone. And at any time you can watch it at home live, or you can record it and watch it when you come home from work. And it enhances the public's education about our justice system. So I think the judge's decision today was correct.
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So this is Rana. But just a follow up question to the O.J. trial. Wasn't he acquitted for more or less political reasons? Like there were a lot of racial political tensions at the time following the Rodney King riots?
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Yeah, you know, the, the case should have been tried in the Santa Monica jurisdiction where he would have, I think, received a much more fair and honest trial. And the moment that Gil Garcetti, the D A decided for convenience sake, to move it to downtown Los Angeles. I said on the air at the time, this is trouble. And, you know, I, I know LA like the back of my hand, and I tried cases there, and I knew the moment that happened, it was going to be trouble for the prosecution because people in downtown Los Angeles back then in the 1990s and, you know, all the, the riots and the Rodney King and so forth, they distrusted cops. And this is a cop case, the O.J. simpson case. And so, you know, they didn't believe the police when they took the witness stand. And they were more than willing to buy into the absurd argument by the defense that the blood evidence had been planted by police to incriminate O.J. simpson. It was ludicrous. And yet they were looking for a hook because they hated cops. And the other part of the equation is Johnny Cochran, who was a very fine lawyer. He's passed away since, but, you know, he turned it into a race case when race had nothing whatsoever to do with it. And so that, of course, inflamed the jury and the not guilty verdicts were the result.
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Yeah, that's interesting because, you know, because it's interesting because obviously you had mentioned, like social media, we have. It's a different level of sort of reach in terms of some of these big public trials, but it's sort of like a little bit of politics have kind of always been injected in a lot of these things. To your point with the O.J. so the Utah judge, Tony Graff, has allowed Robinson to appear in street clothes. How much do visuals like that impact a jury's perspective? Like, how important are those little things?
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Well, sometimes it's the little things that end up mattering. Now, look, I was a defense attorney, and I've always been in favor of civilian clothes in court appearances, particularly where, you know, cameras are there, because that information, those images get dispensed to the general public. And when you see somebody in an orange jumpsuit creates the presumption of guilt. And of course, we operate on the presumption of innocence. And it's a small matter when you get right down to it. Really. Well, I mean, why does he need to be wearing a jumpsuit? Give him, you know, some khaki pants and a blue shirt and, you know, make sure that you're not prejudicing the potential jury pool with negative images. So it's the right decision in this case. It should always be that way.
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You know, Utah prosecutors, my understanding, have filed notice to seek the death penalty. Do you think this will be a death penalty case with Robinson? Do you think he'll get the death penalty?
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You know, it's hard to say. I've always been against the death penalty ever since I read the closing argument by the famed defense attorney Clarence Darrow in the Leopold and Loeb case back in 1925. And you know, you can read his closing argument online. There have been books that published his closing argument and he made a great many valid arguments. But the one that always resonated with me was that how do we tell society that it's wrong to kill when we as a government kill? And he also argued that it is a far greater punishment to spend the rest of your living days in the equivalent of a cage. Death by lethal injection or hanging or firing squad or whatever it has been historically is easier, according to Clarence Darrow. And I, I think he made some valid points about that. So, you know, I've always been against the death penalty. Whether or not it'll go that far. In this particular case, it's certainly ripe for that. Under the law, a cold blooded assassination, assuming guilt is established in a court of law by the jury.
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I mean, I would be for the death penalty, but because I would argue that Tyler Robinson, you know, because sometimes in these incidents, like in a lot of these school shootings or what have you, like there's sort of an understanding and a desire to be killed in the mission. Right. We see a lot of. Right. Like there's sort of this expectation, like that's what they want, you know, they want to go down. That's their anticipation. With Tyler Robinson, it didn't seem to want to, you know, obviously he exited the scene and he was, you know, took to some planning in his exit and so he clearly didn't want to die in the process. And so for me, I, I don't know if it's a worse fate for someone his age to spend the rest of his life in jail or die because clearly he didn't want to die.
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Yeah, it's a moral question and I, I appreciate both sides of the equation. It's just for me, I arrived at my own moral determination decades ago. I was a teenager when I read the Leopold and Loeb case in Clarence Darrow's defense, which was the most brilliant two day closing argument ever brought the judge to tears. Any rate, I, you know, I, there are very few assassins who go on suicide missions. Although one can argue perhaps that's exactly, you know, what the young attempted assassination assassin did in, you know, trying to take out President Trump on the campaign trail. But, you know, most, most people who kill try to get away with it. And I've never seen any valid, credible study that says the death penalty is a deterrence to, to murder. But if somebody can produce one, let me know.
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Well, you know, I, I would probably argue that I, you know, I think if someone's committed to conduct murder, I, I don't know. You know, clearly the laws in the books aren't deterrent either. Right. So they're, they're committed to, to doing something wrong. And you can try to do things to put up hurdles in terms of, you know, not if you have a criminal record, not being able to tame a weapon, but then they steal that. Right. It's like, you know, we, yeah, we do, we do our best to put up a roadblocks with some of these bad guys. But, you know, unfortunately, or you look at someone like Ty Robinson, for instance, who didn't, my understanding, didn't have a history that, you know, would have flagged necessarily him doing something like this. Right. And that seems to be the case often and these sorts of things. How long do you think this trial will take? When do you think they'll get Charlie Kirk and his family will get justice?
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Well, as long as they don't have Lance Ito as the judge, who was famously the judge in the O.J. simpson case. It frankly shouldn't take that long. I would say a month. I'm just guessing here. I think what may be lengthy is upon conviction than the penalty phase. And I, you know, I can tell you from experience, and I've been a lawyer for 45 years, that really that's what these defense attorneys are going to be focusing on. They're going to try, like Darrow, to save their client's life. And, you know, it's often a calculation of aggravating versus mitigating circumstances. And, you know, the aggravating nature of it is the assassination itself a very violent act, planning and premeditation. Clearly there was that, according to the government. And so all of those are, you know, aggravating circumstances. Are there any mitigating? Again, Darrow is useful. In the Leopold and Loeb case, he cited not mental illness per se, but a diminished capacity, that these were two troubled young men who had kidnapped Bobby Franks to try to prove that they were smarter than anybody else and could get away with the perfect crime. But their history growing up was, you know, two deeply troubled kids. And I. So I think we may see some of that in the Tyler Robinson case. Mitigating circumstances of some form of diminished capacity, that he had demons and that the court should take that into consideration.
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You know, before we move on to another topic, is there anything you think we've missed in the discussion about Tyler Robinson and anything that happened today that should be brought up?
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No, I think that's about it. I think there'll be two phases of this. The challenge to the evidence by the defense. I don't think it will succeed. And then a second, of course, will be the trial itself. But based on what we know, what's been made public so far, it's pretty compelling evidence of guilt. And so I think the defense will really try to focus, you know, make. Make prosecutors prove their case, try to poke holes in it whenever you can. But I think they've probably reconciled themselves to the fact that their. Their client will be convicted, and then the real battle begins to save his life.
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That makes sense. So it looks like New York Attorney General Letitia James is going to escape this mortgage fraud case that's been brought against her. The Justice Department failed again to indict her. This is the second time this has happened with her. There's a grand jury in Virginia that rejected the prosecutor's latest attempt to charge her previously. Why do you. Why do you think that is? Is there just not enough evidence? There is this. Is she sort of being politically protected or, you know, how do you see it?
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I think she's being protected by the grand jurors. And look, it doesn't surprise me one bit. She was originally indicted by a grand jury in Alexandria, but of course, a judge in the Western District issued a ruling that the interim or acting U.S. attorney had been improperly appointed. Now, that's on appeal. I'm not sure they filed the appellate papers yet, but the Department of Justice and the Attorney General said they're going to appeal that ruling. Now, if they prevail on appeal, let's say it goes Supreme Court. And Supreme Court says, wait a minute, the president has the sole power of appointment, and Congress can't take that away, then the original indictment is reinstated as it was, and so she would then be prosecuted. But in the meantime, it doesn't surprise me that second and third attempts to re indict her with a. A different U.S. attorney at the helm failed. Because once the first indictment was handed down, this became an intense and very public political football. And, you know, grand jurors don't live in isolation. They don't live in a bubble. And, you know, once this became politicized, thanks to Letitia James, thanks to Democrats, thanks to the media, I think those grand jurors reacted in a very partisan way by saying, well, you came back to us. Now we're not going to do it all over again. And there were two different grand juries here. Understand. So last week it was a Norfolk grand jury, this week it was an Alexandria, Virginia grand jury. And both decided not to re indict. But that doesn't mean that the original one might still exist if the appellate court reverses the decision to dismiss the U.S. attorney.
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So we were talking about the strikes on the narco terrorists, the Venezuelan narco terrorists. Obviously, those on the left have raised questions of legality. In fact, some former members of the military and intelligence on the left, members of Congress did a video sort of instructing military individuals that they don't have to follow unlawful orders. They have not outright said specifically that they believe the strikes are unlawful, but have sort of said that, you know, they think it's in limbo. And they have pointed to that. Are these strikes legal? And if so, like, what's the justification for them?
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Well, these are Venezuelan drug cartels smuggling deadly fentanyl and cocaine into the United States. That's the position of the Trump administration. And they say, you know, and we know this, that more than 300,000 young Americans have been killed as a consequence. I mean, it's essentially murder. And the administration has every legal right to defend its citizens from the lethal poison by using lethal military force. It's always been that way. It's more than a right, it's a duty of the President. And it is absolutely lawful under both U.S. and international law. And it complies fully with the law of armed conflict. Look, Maduro's murderous regime is behind the smuggling. We know that. We have proof of that. And the cartels are officially designated by our government as armed terrorist organizations. And as such, they are enemy combatants. They can be legally targeted by Trump under the president's Article 2 constitutional war powers. And no, you don't need consent from Congress because it was given by Congress long ago when they approved the authorization for use of military force. It's known as the aumf. Now, that resolution granted the President the power to act against terrorism of any kind. And his only obligation is to notify Congress, which he did. And as a precaution, the White House received approval in advance from the Department of Justice's Office of Legal Counsel a written opinion citing the Hague Conventions, the Geneva Conventions and US Law. Look, you know, past presidents, Lisa, have used the so called war on terrorism statutes, the aumf, principally to take similar actions. I mean, Democrats and their media handmaidens are, you know, are raging against Trump. They didn't seem to care when Barack Obama went after terrorism targets with deadly drone strikes. Routinely carrying out the so called double taps. Obama approved. Oh, I think it's 540 strikes, killing 3,400 people. Biden did the same thing in Yemen, in Syria and Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere. When Obama and Biden did it, it was perfectly lawful. When Trump does it, it's somehow war crimes. No, it's not. That's legally absurd.
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Well, I think to, you know, to your point, with President Trump designating the cartels as foreign terrorist organizations, he's fighting the war against these narco terrorists in the same way, to your point, as we have fought, you know, Islamic terrorists in the past. And so he's basically saying that they're not dissimilar. And so it seems like that's sort of the disconnect where obviously those on the left aren't seeing it from the same perspective.
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Yeah, I mean, there are a wide variety of terrorists and terrorism. One form of it is, you know, deadly poison that is introduced into the United States in the form of fentanyl and other synthetic opioids. I mean, if it were mustard gas, would we be complaining? No. And you know, under the law of armed conflict, again, the Hague Conventions, the Geneva Conventions, more recently, enemy combatants can be lawfully targeted with deadly force in any hostilities, those who are protected. And that's really what the law of armed conflict is all about, to protect certain classification of individuals, civilians, medical workers, religious personnel, wounded, sick soldiers, prisoners of war. Well, that's not what happened here. The drug traffickers were not mere innocence and non participants. They were enemy combatants, as I say, and therefore they receive no protection whatsoever under international law. It's pretty clear.
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What do you make of the argument from the left? Because they'll say, well, look like fentanyl is coming from Mexico. It's primarily transferred via land, or even if looking at cocaine, it typically comes from Colombia. And now Venezuela serves as a transit hub for at least some cocaine, but that's not where the producing is coming. And the bulk of it's coming from Mexico or a Colombia from cocaine. So, you know, do you think there's a justification in that? Like why, why target Venezuela then?
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Well, as President Trump said, Colombia may be next. And if the Mexican government doesn't do anything about their cartels, we may have to take action ourselves. Look, this is a president who ran on a great many different platforms, but one significant one was to stop the deadly flow of poisonous drugs into the United States from countries like Venezuela, from Mexico, from Colombia, and the ingredients coming from China, which are then shipped to those other countries and you know this is part of his fulfillment of the promises he made to the electorate that voted him in office, therefore for giving him a mandate to do precisely what he promised he'd do.
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You know, obviously we're still waiting on some big Supreme Court cases that will dictate things like gerrymandering. What, Kate, what are you looking for? You know, what sort of on, on. I know you had mentioned one specific ruling that you're waiting for with President Trump and firings, but sort of what's on your radar, what are you paying attention to?
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Well, it's, it's obvious that the Supreme Court will never intrude on cases of political gerrymandering, only in cases of racial gerrymandering. Now, that was their decision in an important case back in 2019 and it was reiterated more recently when the Supreme Court rejected the petitioner's bid to stop the most recent redistricting in the state of Texas that was done by Republicans. And they said there's no racial bias here in this remapping. This is all political and we have no jurisdiction to get involved in politics. So I think that has a very significant impact on other states. As long as the redistricting is not done for racial reasons, states can do as they please and the Supreme Court will not interfere. And that applies to both gerrymandering in blue states as well as red states. The other significant case I listened to the oral arguments on Monday of this week was on whether Trump has the authority to fire an individual on the Federal Trade Commission, the ftc. And it's pretty clear that the justices are going to side with Trump, that as chief executive, he of the executive branch, he can fire agency appointees with or without cause. You know, when the FTC was set up in 1914 as a so called independent commission, Congress passed a law at the time that usurped the constitutional power of the President. They took part of his power of appointment away. And it was wrong then, it was wrong now, and it was wrong when The Supreme Court 90 years ago in 1935, the so called Humphreys executor case, cited that 1914 statute and they stopped the president from firing an FTC commissioner. It was a stupid decision. It was, you know, it tortured the Constitution. And the result of that errant decision was ginormous. It's been catastrophic since 1935. It essentially created a powerful fourth branch of government, this Alphabet soup of bureaucracies that are accountable to no one and they rage out of control. And you know, Gorsuch pointed that out in particular. He said, since when do we have A fourth branch of government. It's nowhere in the Constitution. It is antithetical to the very way that our founders set up our constitutional republic. So I think the Supreme Court is clearly going to reverse the Humphrey case of 1935 and finally and belatedly restore presidential power over not just the ftc, but dozens of these rogue federal agencies. The President will be able to fire just about anybody except save, and except, let's say the governors of the, you know, Fed bank, the Federal Reserve.
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B
Yeah, I feel like we should prepare for those on the left to light their hair on fire, because looking at the high profile cases that are going to be decided soon, birthright citizenship, there's a transgender health care one about banning transgender surgeries for minors and, you know, puberty blockers and all that stuff. And then there's a religious charter schools one, there is another immigration, and then other cases on the docket that they're either going to hear or considering. You've got the voting rights one that we discussed, the Louisiana Voting Rights Act 1, and then a campaign finance one. There's going to be, it's going to be, going to be, you know, I.
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D
According to my count, he's won 17 straight and overall, 23, which is an incredible. I mean, that's like, to use a baseball analogy, that's, that's like a Ted Williams batting average. I mean, it's, it's astonishing, especially when you consider he's only been in office for 11 months and 10 months, really. So, you know, they'll look, he's had more than 400 lawsuits filed against him. Every time he sneezes somebody, you know, Democrats run to court and, you know, file a lawsuit against him. So everything's being challenged. But, you know, I look at a lot of these cases that are brought against him and they're silly and frivolous and, you know, he's able to overcome it in the higher courts, particularly the Supreme Court. You know, too many of these district court judges have totally disavowed the rule of law and decided to make their decisions because they hate Trump. I mean, they're suffering from a terminal psychopathology known as Trump derangement syndrome. And so they just ignore the law and they rule against Trump almost routinely. And, you know, it's a shame, but it is then up to the higher courts to correct those mistakes.
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B
It will be. Yeah. You said it's only been. It feels like it's been. I think we're living in dog ears because he moves so quickly, so it feels like it does the amount of news we cover on a daily basis. It's. He's, he's keeping us busy and he's keeping us employed, Greg.
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D
So, yeah, it's hard to keep up with a guy.
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B
I mean, jeez, I swear, every time and every time I'm on outnumber, there's like always some breaking news or he gives some press conference and then makes news.
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D
Oh, I know. It's incredible. He doesn't get much sleep.
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B
No, we need sleep, though. We might not need sleep, but we need sleep. Greg Jarrett, I appreciate you. Very interesting. Good stuff.
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D
Oh, anytime. Lisa. Happy to be on with you. I consider it to be a. A pleasure to get to talk to you.
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B
Oh, well, I, I appreciate that. And we will definitely have you back soon.
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D
Okay, take care.
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B
That was Greg Jarrett. Appreciate him for making the time. Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week. I also want to thank my producer, John Cassio, for putting the show together. Until next time.
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E
Shh.
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