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The Truth with Lisa Boothe: The Brown University Shooting & Bondi Beach Terror Attack with Jonathan T. Gilliam
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Lisa Booth
Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth where we get to the heart of the issues that matter to you today we're going to be talking to Jonathan Gilliam. He's a former Navy SEAL and FBI agent. He's been on the show before, but he has a deep expertise in active shooters, security failures, manhunts and terrorism. All these different things that unfortunately we're seeing around the country right now. From the National Guard shooting, terror attack that left a National Guard member murdered, to the Brown University mass shooting and the killer still on the run to what we saw and on Bondi beach in Australia as well. So we're gonna ask him a lot of questions about all this stuff, like why haven't they been able to catch the Brown University killer? Is it suspicious about what the killer allegedly said? What do we know about that? Why aren't they telling us more about that? Also, with hundreds of cameras, how do we not have better images of this individual? Does it seem like an expert? I'm gonna ask Jonathan all those questions. We're also going to talk about the ISIS inspired Bondi beach terror attack is terrorism on the run, both here in the United States as well as elsewhere in the world. So all of these questions and more, I've got a lot. Stay tuned for Jonathan Gilliam. Well, Jonathan, it's great to have you back on the show. Unfortunately, I feel like every time you come on, it's because something bad happened.
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Jonathan Gilliam
I need to get death and destruction.
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Lisa Booth
I know. I wish we could talk about lighter things, but unfortunately, you know, you've got a background, protecting your country, so you're the guy to go to for some of these things, so. Or most of these things. But sorry to have you on when it's always really depressing news.
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Jonathan Gilliam
Well, it's, you know, it is what it is and that's a part of this world. And the more I look at it this way, the more information we give people, the, the better off they'll be. And that's good thing. So that's, that's the positive spin of it.
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Lisa Booth
Well, I think so too. And you know, you know, I think for most Americans and you know, people really around the world right now, we've just seen a lot of things, right? You know, you've got the National Guard shooting that, you know, calling a terror attack, killing at least one National Guard member. Fortunately, the, the second Andrew Wolf looks like he's going to be okay. Thank God. And then we have this Bondi Beach, Bondi beach terror attack. And then we have Brown University, which we're still figuring out what the heck happened. But let's start with Brown for now. The shooter's still at large and it's been days now. How is that possible?
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Jonathan Gilliam
Well, it's all. It's possible because if the individual got away, let's just say that. That all the cameras were in place and that they had a key code and the individual was able to sneak into the building or walk in the building. I mean, it would be possible because the individual was able to get away and he had a mask on. And so in order to verify who it was. If it was an anonymous person. Yeah, that would be possible. But let's look at the reality of this situation. It's appearing more and more that. That the university was as rich as they are, like billions of dollars in endowments, that their camera systems are horrible. It appears that somehow this individual was able to walk into a building in a way that was not recording who was coming into the building. So. And then it appears that the police force there, the police force in Providence, that from the things that I'm seeing, they don't know how to properly start an investigation for a subject of a crime that just happened where they walked in and then walked out. And then when you add to that the incompetence of the mayor, the president of the university, it's pretty bad when you add all those things together and that's how the individual is able to walk away. The information they've released to the public is horrible. It's spotty and comes out in bits and pieces at best. And there's no focus that I can see on utilization of the citizenry to actually utilize them to try to find out who this individual must be. And that that's a bad thing when it comes to the fact that I. I mean, from an investigative standpoint of what I'm seeing, I. This guy had to have knowledge of that particular place. Unless he's. He's just a random guy walking around with a gun that walked in somewhere and shot some people. But that doesn't appear to be his behavior. I'm still not even sure if it's a he based on the walking and the look, but it most likely is a guy. But they just have not shared the university and the police in their briefings, which is a whole nother side note on how bad this nation needs law enforcement and municipalities to understand that briefings need to be standardized and we need particular information to be given to the public, and that's it. And stop making this a political. A political grandstanding brief and stop making it. In the case of Brown, where they're. They're trying to avoid any type of blame on the university. That that seems to be their main goal in this whole thing.
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Lisa Booth
You know, we have an estimated anywhere from 800 to 1200 cameras on Brown University's campus. So you know, I think a lot of people are asking themselves how do we not have better images? I mean, even though I know I've heard the rationale for the building itself, but you would also think surrounding the building, I mean, does that strike you as odd or does that seem plausible or what do of make of, you know, their excuses or what they're telling us about that?
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Jonathan Gilliam
So I was a part of an investigation in New York. After it happened, I inherited the investigation. And it was the Time Square bombing in 2008 where a, an individual rode up on a bicycle after riding all over Manhattan. There's video of this guy riding all over Manhattan and then he rides into Times Square at three in the morning, puts a pie bomb down and blows up the front of the, the recruiting center in Times Square. And most people don't even know about that bombing or they've forgotten about it. And we've never. And then he got on his bicycle and rode away and then we believe got on the subway on the, the east side. That individual's never been identified. And we, we have more cameras than boxes of cameras of camera footage. So just because there's cameras doesn't mean that the clarity you need is going to be there. And most that's because the cameras are not that high speed and at the same time they're not placed in the particular places that, that they should be in order to capture what we need them to capture. I think ring cameras, as you see, are playing a huge part of this or secure home security cameras. So that's possible because they don't take.
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Lisa Booth
The point of having all these cameras exactly like it's like why, why even spend the money. Yeah, they're this worthless and pointless.
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Jonathan Gilliam
Well, that's in the security business, you know. And I have a company that we do. Well one, we do crisis management. One of the things we do is entertainment security. And so my company's been on tour with a major entertainment tour for three years and before that I was with other people as well. And we asked that question all the time. We do threat assessments and venues every day, big arenas. And it is, it's pretty shocking when you see how little attention they actually give to security. It's smoke and mirrors most of the time and law enforcement is the worst at that and cities are the worst. So that's the question we should all be asking, why put up cameras if they're not going to be able to capture the images that we need? So, but there are important images that were captured and that's where I believe that this whole entire investigation, how it's using the public is not it being used properly. And, and because they're trying to play investigator and they're trying to keep from taking the blame. And so when it's for instance, I'll tell you real quick, is that that individual that they have video of, at one point he has a sling bag on, at another point in the same video, there's no sling bag that I find that very odd. Where is that sling bag? Perhaps that's what they were looking for when the FBI was walking around kicking up snow, which I found again the of that search were terrible. So that's a question I have that could lead to something. They, they could find that bag. They could ask the public have you seen this random sling bag sitting around? The way the individual standing with the, when they, he stood, the person stood and was looking around, was standing with their arms behind their back. I mean, I don't personally know, but maybe one person that stands like that when they're looking at something. I mean do you know anybody that stands like that? Yeah. Yeah. So that's a very unique trait and one that people notice if they know somebody. What was that individual looking at? Were they looking at that building because they arrived at a building on a Saturday on a university that is considered off hours in an engineering building? I mean we're not talking about the food court or a special event football game. We're talking about a building that most likely did not have a lot of people in there. So you either that individual either had to know somebody in there or was employed by that place, but absolutely 100% had their reason for waiting and then showing up when those specific people were in that, that room because they, he, they, he went in there, that individual went in there, targeted those people and then left and really targeted. It appears two people. Other people were shot. Those may have not been. Those may have just been shootings as the individual was leaving or as they came in, but definitely targeted two people in particular. So what's the group? What's the class? Was it a special group that was meeting there? And why have they told us that? Who were the two people that got killed? And I know we know their names, but who are they and who do they have associations with? Have they had a run in with anybody these are questions that should be part of these briefs to get the public thinking and the people that may know them thinking so they can say this is particular. I've seen reels where people saying that the teacher was a Jewish and that the, the individual was heard saying al Akbar. But we've heard no official reports on that.
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Lisa Booth
Is there a reason behind that? I mean, like we live in the age where leftists would almost rather get killed than actually crack down on crime. You know, like, it's like that insane. So like is the reason why we're not getting more information at a Brown University and some of these local officials because they're intentionally not disclosing information that would make this appear to be a terror attack, if that's what it is. Like, I don't know. Is there a world where this is a cover up?
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Jonathan Gilliam
Well, what's interesting is Lisa, you know, I would say 15 years ago you probably wouldn't have asked that question.
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Lisa Booth
Well, yeah, we're crazy now or not. We.
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Jonathan Gilliam
But they, it's, it is that it is that radical that they would, I mean, look what they're doing with where the president is. President Trump and Pete Hexit there are targeting these drug boats that are bringing fentanyl into this country and killing tens of thousands of people. And the leftists are trying to act like that's inhumane for some strange reason, you know, the border, the way they treated the border, just bringing in all kinds of, of people who, and bad people who just want to reside off of subsistence. They didn't where they were coming here for the American dream, they're coming in for the American handout. Now. They, they support that and back that as though anybody that says, whoa, whoa, whoa, if you're coming here to this country, you need to come here for a purpose. They act like that is the voice of Satan saying that. So I look at this Brown University issue and I just, I look at the people that are up there giving these briefs and it is, it's shocking how incompetent. And you can tell leftist. It's the guy, the very first brief, the mayor is chewing gum the entire brief. I find that very strange. And he sat in his apartment or his house, which is right there by the university, while these sirens were going off until he got a call. I mean, he didn't make a phone call. I mean that's the, that's the level of people that the, the president of the university as of yesterday said that she didn't know what was going on in that classroom. I Mean, so, yes, this is the level of these people, their incompetence, but also, I could see, and it's a real possibility that they are not releasing these things to the public because they don't want to make this into a racial or an Islamic thing if that's the case.
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Lisa Booth
Even if that could catch the killer.
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Jonathan Gilliam
Even if it could catch a killer, because they're not verifying it, and they're not. They're not verifying what he said. They're not announcing that. And if.
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Lisa Booth
I don't understand why interrupting. But if he didn't say those things, would. Is that something that they would. Is that something that they would want to correct the record, or would they typically just leave it alone? I mean, I don't know. It seems like there might be some clarity given to us if that's not accurate or what do you think about that?
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Jonathan Gilliam
Even if they said, we believe that's what he said, that students have reported that that's what was being yelled. So we are going to put part of our focus on the fact that this individual could have had a terrorist motive that was based in Islamic radicalization or fundamentalization. They could say that if that's what people heard, Perhaps the Islamic community would say, I think I know somebody who fits that profile. But they haven't done that. So we are justified in asking the question why, if they aren't doing these things? So it is. There is a lot of evidence that is there, regardless of the cameras, that is not being clarified and shared with the public. When the public in this case could most likely be the biggest force multiplier for these.
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Lisa Booth
These investigators, how they caught Mangione, because, you know, we had great image or not great images, but he had, you know, the eyebrows and things that, you know, more sort of striking features that stood out. And then I think he was at a McDonald's or, you know, was it McDonald's or he was at a fast.
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Jonathan Gilliam
I believe it was McDonald's. Yeah.
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Lisa Booth
Yeah. And then people were like, hey, look, that looks like the guy. Because they got the public involved. You know, now that the FBI is involved in this case, like, do you feel better about that? Or, you know, kind of like, what's the state of the FBI today and the FBI's ability to catch a killer like this?
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Jonathan Gilliam
That's a great question. And, and, and I, I think people will think I'm being a little negative here, but I wish Cash Patel would shut his mouth and. And stay off. Him and Dan Borgina both would stay off of X and out of the media while investigation is happening. Because it's hard to tell the competence of the FBI when, when their director is coming out and saying and making statements, saying, you know, we've, we've got a person of interest locked up and making it sound like, oh, here's how we did it. We geolocated. Well, apparently your geolocation or whatever you use was wrong because that person got let go. So that's the first thing. Perception is reality when it comes to the FBI stepping in on something. The second thing is I have real caution when it comes to the investigative expertise of the FBI as a whole based on the people that have been hired over the past 20 years in large part because affirmative action and then DEI and a lot of these people, they weren't just hired because they're a female or because they're of a different race, but they were hired because they have ideologies that are in line with the left. And so as we saw in Pennsylvania with the threat assessment, which is an investigation, a threat assessment is actually an investigation to figure out who, why, when, where and how somebody would attack. And so that investigation was completely failed in Butler and in Florida by the Secret Service in Florida. But then the follow on investigations after the two attempted assassinations were riddled with leftist directors verbiage. And that's two directors. One that was the acting or was the, the director and then the next one that was, this was of the Secret Service. I'm confusing two different agencies, but it's the same with the FB FBI. The, the special agent in charge in the FBI that was helping investigate that Florida case was eventually let go because he was so anti Trump. So in Pennsylvania you, you had the same type of leftist running the FBI there. So this whole point is I'm trying to make is that I don't know who's doing the investigating up there. And if they align ideology ideologically with those leftists that are running Providence and that university. And so if it's like everything else the left does, they throw investigators out there and they just ho hum through whatever they're doing because they think that being in a position of authority is enough to prove that they are great. And so I think the FBI has failed under Cash Patel to clean that out properly. And they've made a lot of big moves getting rid of people, allowing FBI agents to do their job. But I think I still don't trust the rank and file in the FBI. So we'll see if they, if they come out there and they, they solve this, then that's great. But if they don't, then I'd be more likely to chalk that up to the fact that they still have not cleaned out these leftists in the in the FBI.
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Lisa Booth
Got to take a quick commercial break. More with Jonathan on the other side.
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Jonathan Gilliam
Shh.
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Lisa Booth
Given what you know, the limited information we have about the shooter and his or her actions, does this appear to be someone who knows what they're doing? You know, like, obviously, unfortunately, you've seen a lot of mass shootings in the country, a lot of school shootings in the country. I guess how did these actions sort of compare with shooters of the past? Like, how much of an expert does this person seem to be?
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Jonathan Gilliam
Well, you know, it's interesting because killing in a, in an environment that is a soft environment is, does not take an expert. You don't have to get a PhD in killing. I mean, that killing is very similar to getting pregnant and having a baby. If you want to do it, you have the human ability to do it. It's just whether do you want to do it or not? In the case of, you know, getting pregnant, you have to have two people. Well, in the case of murder, you have to have two people. The one that's going to get murdered and one that's going to do the murdering. And you can do it with a fork, you can do it with a knife, or you can do it with a gun. And in the case of this individual where there's absolutely zero security that we could see that would stop the individual from getting in there and somebody that is dead set on going into that particular building at that particular time, it is not difficult to walk in and pull out a gun or a knife or a fork in a room where people are not expecting it and then kill them. And so I think when we look at this, to say, is the guy, is the person an expert or are they not? Or, you know, I don't think it's really comes down to their expertise. It comes down to their, their intent and their will. And I think in this case, that individual was intending to kill and murder somebody or a few people in that particular place at that particular time. So. So I don't think they need to go out and start looking for a hitman, but they definitely need to be looking for who knows those people and who would be motivated to get in there. I just. Lisa, I cannot believe that at this point in time with the information that they have available and the people they have available to interview, that they wouldn't be able to figure out a, a circle of people that they could start targeting for investigation to find out who it is.
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Lisa Booth
You know, there's a lot of theories going on online, but we won't get to those since they're not, you know. But it seems like there's sleuths online that might be more closer to things than maybe the FBI seems to be. I want to turn to the Bondi beach terror attack, killing, you know, 15 people or at least 15 people that we know of now. Father, son, duo, ISIS inspired attack. How many of these are we gonna see? I just, I just worry. I mean, it's just common sense, right? Like Biden for four years, let in millions of people. We had a record number on the terror watch list trying to get into the country. Probably had a record number of terrorists who did get into the country. And then on top of people who might be susceptible to that narrative or, you know, easily convinced, right, who have animosity towards us, the West. And this is happening in, you know, throughout Europe and in countries around the world as well. So I mean, are we sort of in like, are we going to look at like another age of terror again?
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Jonathan Gilliam
I think we're going to see. Well, we've seen this killing in particular, not necessarily terrorism. Remember, terrorism is a use of, of force, violence and intimidation for a political aim. That's, that's basically the definition of it. And you could say political ideology, but it's usually for a change of government or governance. And we've seen, but we have seen killing all over the world due to the forced migration of Muslims from third world countries all over the world. It's not like. It's just exactly the same way that they left did with our southern border where they literally. And nobody has ever even done investigation of this. And it drives me crazy of the groups that were paying for these people to be on buses or get plane tickets to fly to this country. It's the same thing with the forced migration of Muslims out of third world countries in the Middle east, all over the world. They weren't, you know, they were probably refugees trying to get away from war, but they didn't have the money or the ability to leave those areas on their own. They were paid for, and I would say primarily by leftist organizations, whether they were NGOs or governments directly for the purpose of spreading these people all over the world. People who don't assimilate, people who may not be radicalized, but have the foundation to be radicalized. And when you put them in a country that is A westernized country, a country that is, or countries that are modern, people would think that are from these modern countries, that you're going to put somebody over here, they're going to live a modern life, they're going to be happy. But when you take somebody out of a third world country that's been raised in a different moral and ethical manner, and then you put them in a, in a Westernized or modern world, what they're going to feel most likely because they didn't show up there saying, I want the great American dream. They showed up there because they were fleeing from war, but they didn't flee from the Middle east because they hate their life. They fled from there because they were in the middle of war. And so when you bring them into another modern country, it's not a happy place for them. They may be able to drink the water, but when people don't react and act the way that their culture says that they should, then they're going to act out. And that's why you're seeing rapes all over the world, murders. And I believe what we're seeing now is an increasing movement of jihad and terrorism, because once those people get into a modern country, they are ripe for the picking to be radicalized. And that is despite the amount of people that have been pushed all over this world. The people who are going around and radicalizing or recruiting them to fundamentalism, that has not been forced. That is the way that groups like Iran, Hamas, isis, al Qaeda, they purposely put the recruiters all over the world so they can then go in and preach, hate and radicalize these people.
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Lisa Booth
I mean, we're committing suicide by allowing all these people into our country.
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Jonathan Gilliam
Sure. I mean, yes. And again, I brought up the, the southern border last year. Well, actually this year. But this is a perfect thing. This year I was in Mexico with, with a tour, and we were down there for a month. The year before that and the year before that, I was in Mexico before Trump was back in office. And we were there for a month both of those times. And the previous two years, three in the morning, the whole tour would go to an airport and it would be like rush hour in Manhattan there. The airports, obscure small airports in Mexico, were, were packed to the brim. And most of those people were coming to the United States. And I don't think people realize how many people came over the border legally, not illegally. They came over legally because they went and signed that, that, or got on that app and got the ability to get here or in other cases to get Closer to the border where they just walked over, in which.
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Lisa Booth
In which case I know you're talking about.
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Jonathan Gilliam
Yeah, yeah. So this year, when we went to Mexico, the same airports, same time, nobody was there. It was a typical empty Mexican airport. So when you think about that and you think about people those people cannot afford. They were showing up. The people I saw in the airport, they didn't have luggage, they were dirty, and they had plane tickets that cost, you know, hundreds, if not thousands of dollars to fly into the United States. So the fact that that stuff was. Was not only allowed to happen, but was paid for by groups or people, leftists, to make this happen. Al Qaeda, isis, Iran, would take advantage of the same exact thing to put recruiters all over the world because they knew that their people were coming in.
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Lisa Booth
It's like, I don't understand why. It's like we're letting people into our house who we know want to destroy it. Common sense. Like, you wouldn't invite someone into your home if, you know, knowing that they're gonna come in and start, like, you know, throwing your glasses against the wall and, like, kicking your table over and, you know, like taking a sledgehammer to your house. But yet that's essentially what we're doing to America.
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Jonathan Gilliam
Well, these people, as we were talking about earlier at Brown University, they think differently. Culture is everything. As I go around the world, the one thing I've noticed is that culture can kill a community or a country or a nation, or it can make it great. And I would say that the leftist culture has found a foothold almost everywhere I've gone. On the other side, conservative or not even conservative, but people, morals and ethics and people who are loving and kind has really become more of the minority and in large part because of social media, that people who want good things to happen and work hard, they come home and get on social media and they grumble. And that's all they do. They don't even. They don't even go to the voting polls anymore, hardly at all. You know, so they come out for president in this country, but the midterms, conservatives, or the people who are not liberals, refuse to go to the polls and vote. So as I go around the world, this leftist culture has. Was first secreted into and now is just. Is really the majority almost everywhere I go. And wherever they are, that is where this attitude and this weird thought process of global community. And by global community, they just mean anybody can go anywhere they want. It's not like they're loving and say, you know, the whole thing about migration that with the left is not about love. It's about letting people go wherever they want and thinking that the cultures that they don't like are the are the bad ones. And strangely enough, typically, as you see, the cultures they hate are the freest cultures with morals and ethics. So it's, you know, all I can chalk it up to is it's the same lie that happened in the Garden of Eden and it's happening right now and the human beings are doing the same gullible thing in believing the lie.
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Lisa Booth
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Jonathan Gilliam
Shh.
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Lisa Booth
So I guess what do we do? I mean, how hard is it for like the FB when you have that many illegal aliens in the country and then you have that many people already living here susceptible to radicalization? Like, how do you stop attacks?
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Jonathan Gilliam
Well, I don't know if you're going to be able to stop attacks. It's another good point about these stupid briefs that are happening in at Brown University is that the mayor came out and said, made the point of saying that there's no known threat. Okay, that is the dumbest thing that I hear law enforcement say on a regular basis. There's no known threat. There was no known threat on, on 9, 10, 2001. There's no known threat the day before that individual walked into Brown University and shot two people to death and wounded eight others. You can't, you're not going to be able to stop attacks just by going off of whether they're known, the threat is known, or it's not. So I think if, if we want to make this nation safer, let's take the drug epidemic for instance, maybe you might want to go out and, and really start cracking down on drug dealers and then promoting, like they did in the 80s, young people not to use drugs and really making the penalty stiff enough where people just won't do it instead of legalizing it or, or legalizing a lot of it and then giving people who are capitalists the ability to go in and manufacture clean drugs for people? I mean, it's gotta be one or the other because right now we have a violence and a drug problem. So if you and I'm not saying I'm all about legalization of drugs, but doing nothing is where we are right now. And it's same thing when it comes to terrorism and violence, especially leftist and Islamic violence, which if you don't know anything about the Red Green alliance, you should look that up because Islam and Marxism or communism have worked hand in hand for many, many a long time. I mean, we're talking hundred years or more. And so Wherever you see one, you're probably going to see the other. That's why so much, say again, what.
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Lisa Booth
Aligns them so much ideologically because they're.
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Jonathan Gilliam
Both, they're both dependent on control and so they work naturally together. I think that, I think, I don't really know exactly. It's hard to tell what goes on in the minds of. I know why the Islamic function faction would, would function with them is, is because they see the left is like another criminal element that would be able to, that can assist them because they're in power. And that's, that's always been the case. You've always seen throughout history the progressives and that's really, that's the reality of who the left actually is, is the bulk of the left are progressives. And I'm trying to be short winded on this because I know we don't go too long but it's, it's a very fascinating subject when you look at it. But what it does is when we look at Islam and we look at the left and the red green alliance, what we see is that there are, the pathways are opened for these people to get in and manipulate social cultures. And so that is how this is spreading so fast and the foothold that it has is being able to progress so quickly before we go.
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Lisa Booth
Do you think they'll catch the Brown killer?
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Jonathan Gilliam
I think that eventually that person is going to be known. I think that somebody is going to realize that I don't know if that person will go around and say hey I did that. Perhaps they will, but I think they'll, they'll eventually be caught because they have to have known people that were there. There's a reason why they chose that particular place. And if it comes out that it was ideological then I think that will probably eventually come out because they will want people to know that they, that was done in the name of this. If it was personal, I think that that relationship will eventually come out. So I think that's probably where they're going to eventually find them. If it's not for camp, if they don't come up with some technology that or some DNA that they found somewhere, then I think it's going to be through a relationship or an ideology that, that, that basically makes this person known.
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Lisa Booth
Jonathan, appreciate your time. Thanks for breaking this all down. And we pray that they catch the killer and that we learn more about him or her.
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Jonathan Gilliam
Listen, I apologize, I'm long winded but as I always say, but no, this.
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Lisa Booth
Is a place to do it because you don't have commercial breaks.
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Jonathan Gilliam
Yeah, and it's, it's a, it's, it's not a. What we're talking about is it's not rocket science, whether it's the tack itself or all these things that are going on like in, in Bondi beach, which we, you know, I really didn't even get into that. But the reality is with, with all of these things and the spread of, of these terrorist attacks, a lot of it has to do with this red Green alliance and Islam riding the coattails of the leftist. And now we see in this nation, leftists like we, we saw the attack foiled in, in California by leftists that call themselves Turtle beach or not Turtle beach, but Turtle Island Liberation Front. We are seeing the same type of tactics that have been used by Islam and by the, the fundamental Muslims that are, that are going out and, and pursuing terrorism. We're seeing that now on the left. And it's another example how they share tactics, techniques and procedures, verbiage. You see the left taking up for Hamas and, and then you see both of them sharing the same verbiage and tactics and probably training. And I think if the FBI gets into this and starts looking beyond responsive investigations, if the FBI starts being proactive and starts hunting, they will find that these Islamic attackers, the groups that they're with and the leftists and the groups that they're with are most likely working together and funded and trained by a lot of the same people.
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Lisa Booth
Jonathan, appreciate your time. Thanks for breaking this down for us.
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Jonathan Gilliam
You got it, Lisa. Take care and God bless.
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Lisa Booth
That was Jonathan Gilliam. Appreciate him for taking the time to come on the show. Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday. You can listen throughout the week. Also want to thank my producer John Casio for putting the show together. Until next time.
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Jonathan Gilliam
Then.
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