The Truth with Lisa Boothe: The Rise of Anti-Semitic Violence in America with Karol Markowicz

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Truth with Lisa Boothe – "The Rise of Anti-Semitic Violence in America"

Guest: Karol Markowicz (New York Post columnist, host of The Karol Markowicz Show)
Host: Lisa Boothe
Release Date: October 2, 2025
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show (iHeartPodcasts)

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Overview

In this episode, Lisa Boothe welcomes her friend and journalist Karol Markowicz to deeply examine the alarming increase in anti-Semitic violence in America following the October 7th massacre in Israel. They explore disturbing incidents across the U.S.—from arson attacks to executions—linking these acts to broader trends in left-wing activism, illegal immigration policy failures, and a shift in political sentiment within Jewish communities. The discussion candidly addresses failures in the American immigration system, societal reactions to hate, the complexities of supporting Israel, and the bleak prospects for a two-state solution.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Surge in Anti-Semitic Attacks (03:27–05:39)

• Lisa recounts a wave of shocking violent acts targeting Jewish individuals and institutions in recent weeks:
  • Attack on the Pennsylvania governor’s mansion (arson targeting Governor Josh Shapiro, who is Jewish)
  • Execution of two Israeli embassy staffers in Washington, D.C.
  • Elderly Jewish people set on fire in Boulder, Colorado
• Lisa Boothe: “What the hell is going on?” (05:33)

2. Why These Attacks Are More Common in Blue States (05:40–07:52)

• Karol notes these events primarily take place in liberal, blue areas where self-defense is more difficult due to stricter gun laws.
• Karol Markowicz:
  “Attackers know this and that is why it’s happening … In America, I’ve seen people are outraged, you know, people who don’t have to be are outraged. And the government is taking such action.” (05:39–07:52)
• She stresses that anti-Semitism is an age-old problem, but what matters is society’s reaction to it and swift government response.

3. Jewish Political Affiliations and Shifts (07:53–10:31)

• Lisa questions why Jewish Americans continue to vote Democrat despite rising left-wing anti-Semitism.
• Karol discusses long-standing Democratic alignment among Jewish Americans but detects a significant current shift:
  • Trump’s share of the Jewish vote likely increased from 30% (2020) to as high as 47%.
  • Immigrant Jewish communities (like her own from the Soviet Union) have been more conservative historically.
• Karol Markowicz:
  “They’ve been so safe in America for so long that they became liberals … I hear from Jews all the time who voted Republican for the very first time … I don’t see them going back.” (08:24–10:31)

4. The "Free Palestine" Slogan and Radicalization (14:54–16:05)

• Lisa compares “Free Palestine” chants to those of ISIS, questioning if they're rooted in the same radicalism.
• Karol argues it’s an expression of the same ideology:
  • The contemporary left mobilizes “omni-causes,” escalating political grievances into violence (“destroying property for climate change ... killing whoever they didn’t like”).
  • The concept of Zionism is often weaponized: “Zionism is just believing Israel should exist … The idea that you can just kill Zionists at will, that’s going to reach far more people than just the Jewish community.” (15:07–16:05)

5. U.S. Immigration Policy Failures (16:05–19:38)

• The Boulder attacker’s expired Egyptian visa and subsequent Biden administration work permit highlight flaws.
• Karol expresses deep concern over open borders and lack of vetting:
  “It’s so worrisome that we don’t know who’s here … There’s so many people that want to hurt America and Americans around the world. We allowed our borders to be wide open for so long where millions of people came in and we don’t know who they are. We’re in danger. It is a dangerous time in America.” (16:37–18:43)
• She notes how lax immigration enforcement undermines legal immigration and trust in the system, even for former legal immigrants like herself.

6. Israel’s Response to October 7th & International Criticism (20:04–23:28)

• Lisa draws parallels between the scale of October 7 to 9/11, arguing Israel faces the same existential threat and questioning critics of its response.
• Karol highlights Israel’s proximity to threats, unique pressures, and constant attack risk.
• She debunks peace process optimism:
  “They’ve tried a million different times to make different peace deals. It just never works because the goal of Palestinian leadership is not peace. … It’s just to destroy Israel, and Israel can't have that.” (21:00–23:28)
• Many victims of October 7th were pro-peace activists.

7. The Demise of the Two-State Solution (23:28–25:28)

• Both agree that the two-state solution is likely dead after October 7.
• Karol:
  “You can’t reward October 7th with a state. … They want a one state solution that does not include Israel.” (23:57–25:28)
• She doubts Israel will ever hand Gaza back to Hamas control or that Palestinians can successfully govern themselves.

8. The Economic Future of the Middle East (25:28–27:32)

• Lisa praises Trump’s focus on economic cooperation (“the future of the Middle East is commerce, not chaos”).
• Karol asserts that religious fundamentalism remains the chief obstacle to stability in countries like Iran:
  “The mullahs don’t want commerce … They just want to subjugate their population and to keep them under control. … It will involve a change of leadership in some places.” (26:15–27:20)
• Both host and guest are optimistic that Arab states aiming for modernization can help stabilize the region.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Lisa Boothe:
  “I feel kind of ignorant to not realizing how much anti-Semitism is so rampant, both here in the United States and abroad as well.” (04:52)
• Karol Markowicz:
  “Attackers know this and that is why it’s happening the way it’s happening.” (05:40)
  “It’s crazy to me that the left took so long … to permit this to go on in the name of opposing Republicans.” (16:37)
  “Zionism is just believing that Israel should exist … The idea that you can just kill Zionists at will, that’s going to reach far more people than just the Jewish community.” (15:07)
• Lisa Boothe:
  “What is the appropriate response to a 9/11 terror attack? … between 2001 and 2021, we dropped over 80,000 bombs and munitions in response to 9/11.” (20:04)
• Karol Markowicz:
  “You can’t reward October 7th with a state. … They want a one state solution that does not include Israel.” (23:57)
  "Our friend Dave Rubin performed in Tel Aviv … the sirens went off while his show was going on, and his show happens to be in a bunker. So they didn’t need to do anything … but that’s how they live." (21:00–21:45)
• Lisa Boothe:
  “I just think that it’s a privilege [to come to America], not a right. … If we do grant someone that privilege, they have to be extremely vetted.” (19:38)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Segment Topic | Timestamp | |-----------------------------------------------|-------------| | Introduction & overview of attacks | 03:27–05:39 | | Why attacks cluster in blue areas | 05:40–07:52 | | Jewish political realignment | 07:53–10:31 | | Radical slogans and leftist violence | 14:54–16:05 | | Biden administration immigration failures | 16:05–19:38 | | Criticism of Israel and terror comparisons | 20:04–23:28 | | Two-state solution declared dead | 23:28–25:28 | | Economic stabilization vs. religious rule | 25:28–27:32 |

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Tone & Closing

The episode is candid, urgent, and deeply personal—reflecting the seriousness of the rise in anti-Semitic violence. Both Lisa and Karol blend heartfelt concern with sharp political critique, focusing on actionable causes, societal responsibilities, and urgent policy failures. The conversation closes with warm personal camaraderie, but the message is clear: the stakes are high, and both vigilance and cultural/political shifts are necessary.

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For anyone seeking context on the recent surge of anti-Semitic incidents in the U.S., the political roots and reactions, and the prospects for Israel and the Middle East, this episode offers a thorough, impassioned, and thought-provoking overview directly from two outspoken conservative voices.

Transcript

[Lisa Booth]

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[Lisa Booth]

Today I'm joined by my friend, my good friend, Carol Markowitz. She's the host of the Carol Markowitz Show. She's also a New York Post columnist. She's going to unpack a chilling wave of violence that we've seen in the country. Chilling wave of left wing violence, of anti Semitism, from the attack on the Pennsylvania governor's mansion to the execution of Israeli embassy staffers in Washington, D.C. and then now over the weekend, elderly Jewish people set on fire in Boulder, Colorado. What's happening? Why is this happening? Where is this going? We're also going to dig into the suspect's expired visa and the Biden administration's decision to give that suspect a work permit despite the fact that his visa had expired, despite the fact that he was denied a visa in 2005, but somehow got one under the Biden administration. Also, is free Palestine just the new rallying cry for terror? We'll explore all that and more in the wake of the October 7th massacre. Stay tuned for my friend, Carol Markowitz.

[Carol Markowitz]

Foreign.

[Lisa Booth]

It is so great to have you on the show. I just love you so much. You're one of my best friends and you're an amazing person. But I just wanted to say that before we get into some heavy stuff.

[Carol Markowitz]

Well, you are one of my absolute faves. I love knowing you and I am so happy to be on with you.

[Lisa Booth]

I'm too. Well, I'm happy that you're on with me. You're picking up what I'm putting know, Carol, we've talked a lot. So since October 7, just about everything we've seen in, in the world, I've mentioned to you before that, you know, I feel kind of ignorant to not realizing how much anti Semitism is so rampant, both here in the United States and abroad as well. I mean, even just in a few weeks, we have seen an attack on the governor's mansion in Pennsylvania. It was torched because Governor Josh Shapiro is Jewish. Two Israeli embassy staffers executed to Washington D.C. and now we saw elderly Jewish people set on fire in Boulder, Colorado over the weekend. What the hell is going on?

[Carol Markowitz]

Well, one thing to notice about all of these attacks is that they're happening primarily in blue areas. This is not a coincidence. In blue areas, first of all, people can't fight back, right? There are a lot of gun laws that prohibit people from carrying and it's much more difficult for people to do something when attacked. Attackers know this and that is why it's happening the way it's happening. You know, I have spoken to other Floridians and just watching the Boulder attack unfold and how long he was on his feet and hurting people and yelling he'd be dead before the police car ever arrived in Florida. And that's the way it should be. People should be afraid to launch attacks like this. And the fact that they're not in blue areas is a real tell. Having said all that, obviously antisemitism is a problem everywhere. I'm not naive. I don't think, oh, it only happens in blue parts of the country. Obviously it could happen anywhere. But what I've been saying for decades, literally decades writing about this topic is it's not that antisemitism will stop existing and it's not that I think antisemites will just die out and there won't be any more antisemitism. It's a age old problem. But what we're looking for when we see antisemitism rear its head is the reaction from the community, the reaction from society. If society doesn't care the way it seemed, for example, in France over the last decade plus, that's a real problem for me. But in America, I've seen people are outraged, you know, people who don't have to be are outraged. And the government is taking such action. Dan Bongino of the FBI calling it a terrorist attack right away, Donald Trump truthing about it and saying that this kind of thing will not stand. The Justice Department immediately filing federal charges. This is the reaction I want to see from my society and I'm really happy to see it in America.

[Lisa Booth]

You know, I guess you mentioned, you know, the blue areas and then also, I mean, it seems like, you know, obviously there's anti Semitism both sides, but it does seem to be more predominant on the left for sure. And then also just like a lot of cowardice on the left and not calling this out. I mean, you just mentioned sort of the initial very strong response from President Trump and Dan Bongino. So I guess. Why did Jewish people keep voting for Democrats then? You know, it seems like it would be voting against your survival, to be perfectly honest.

[Carol Markowitz]

Well, as a lifelong conservative, this has been something that I've cared about for a long time and something that I've really hated about my community for a long time. I will say that I think there's been a sea change in the last few years. And these kinds of things do take time. But according to my calculations, and I've looked into local numbers in a lot of places, I've looked into state exit polls, I've really done kind of a numbers breakdown of this. I have it on a sub stack from a few months ago. I think Donald Trump got in the 40s percent of the Jewish vote. I think he's in the 45, maybe even as high as 47% of the Jewish vote. And that's giant Leap from his 30% in 2020. But even 30% was already on the upward trajectory. Jews were always Democrats, and it was something that was intrinsic in the American Jewish experience. You were a Democrat. Now I'm an immigrant. I came from the Soviet Union. Other immigrant groups were always Republican because we came from crazy leftist places and we were like, yeah, no more of that. My Soviet Jewish community in Brooklyn was always very Republican. And I always felt safe and comfortable being a conservative growing up in Brooklyn because my community was conservative and I didn't care what other people thought. But the American Jews who have been here for generations and generations, and they missed World War II, they missed the pogroms in Eastern Europe, they didn't live with strife. They've been so safe in America for so long that they became liberals and they didn't have to worry about anything. I think now things are coming around and they're understanding that they can't do that anymore. And I love to see it. Personally, I hear from Jews all the time who voted Republican for the very first time in this last election. I have lots of Jewish friends who voted for Trump, and it was their first Republican vote ever. And I don't see them going back. I think once you've made the leap, I don't think they're going to vote Democrat ever again.

[Lisa Booth]

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[Lisa Booth]

You look at these suspects shouting free Palestine. Is that any different than the Al Akbar chants that we've heard from ISIS terrorists? Or are they the same people? Is it the same?

[Carol Markowitz]

It's the same radical Islam on our streets. It's the same thing. And you know, people call it the leftist Omni cause, but it could be anything, right? People are destroying property for climate change, or it could just head toward a violent direction. Look what you had. Luigi Mangione shooting a healthcare executive on the streets of New York City. He just felt justified to kill whoever he didn't like. And that's the leftist goal. And the leftist message is if you don't like something, you can use violence to stop it. And you see this even in the reactions of these last few violent events. It's like, well, this is what standing up to Zionism looks like. Zionism is just believing that Israel should exist, that it exists, and it should exist. So most Americans are Zionists. The idea that you can just kill Zionists at will, that's going to reach far more people than just the Jewish community.

[Lisa Booth]

We look at the fact that this suspect in the Boulder case, I'm not going to say his name because he's not worth. It's not worth saying he's denied a visa in 2005. He's Egyptian. And then he arrived in 2022 on a non immigrant visa. It expired. And then even after it expired, the Biden administration granted him a work permit. We say the Trump administration has taken a lot of heat for revoking visas and trying to get tougher on legal immigration and who we're giving visas to. But doesn't this just make their case?

[Carol Markowitz]

Oh, yeah, so much. I think that it's crazy that this went on for so long. I mean, just in the last few years, watching the border problem. I know he didn't come across the border, but it's irrelevant. It's the fact that people knew that America was wide open and anybody could come in. It's so worrisome that we don't know who's here. And obviously this could be a problem for us going forward. I think that we get to a place where we feel safe and then we trust our government to do what's best for us. And the Biden administration simply did not do that. And it's crazy to me that the left took so long. And I don't know that they're necessarily even still there yet. But the idea that they permitted this to go on in the name of opposing Republicans, they couldn't have felt good about illegal immigrants in their communities. You saw this on Martha's Vineyard when, when they had illegal immigrants shipped to them, they immediately got them off the island because nobody wants that in their communities. So the fact that Americans were so quiet about it and leftist and liberal Americans were so quiet about it for so long, I think that that's really crazy to me. You know, our friend Kurt Schlichter had this book called the Attack, and it was about an October 7th style attack happening in America. It's a fictional book, but it's so likely when you don't know who's coming into your. There's so many people that want to hurt America and Americans around the world. We allowed our borders to be wide open for so long where millions of people came in and we don't know who they are. We're in danger. It is a dangerous time in America.

[Lisa Booth]

I really do worry that we have just let in so many people who, you know, who have Darius sympathies.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right.

[Lisa Booth]

And we haven't even. We don't even know. I mean, we're going to be dealing with this for a very long time, unfortunately. Millions of people.

[Carol Markowitz]

You know, again, I'm an immigrant. I'm not against immigration. But we've gone like just in such a bananas place. Like when I immigrated to this country. We had to prove so many things about ourselves. We had to prove that we were not going to be a danger to this country. We had to prove that somebody would be taking care of us. We didn't arrive and say, where's my free hotel room? And where's my free everything? That just did not happen. And so the idea that we've tossed out this process that we used to have, I understand why support for all immigration is down because you can't even trust that the process is going to work in the future. If Donald Trump implements an immigration process in his four years in office, we don't know what Democrats are going to do down the line. So the illegal immigration insanity of the last few years has hurt the idea of legal immigration to this country. And it makes sense to me.

[Lisa Booth]

Yeah, I mean, I'm not against people coming here legally. I just think that it's a privilege, not a right. And I don't think we need people to come here legally or illegally. And so if we do grant someone that privilege, they have to be extremely vetted. They have to want to be a part of America. They have to want to be a contributing factor. You know, like, it's, it's like, should be the most exclusive club to ever get into.

[Carol Markowitz]

Exactly.

[Lisa Booth]

And said, we're taking, like, fake IDs. You know, it's like, like, you know, it's nuts. You know, I've been thinking about this for a while. You know, you look at October 7, 2023, it's, you know, equivalent to what we saw in 9 11. Of course, Israel has a much smaller population, so if you were to compare that to the United States, with our population size, it'd be over 36, 000 people who died. And so I just. For the people criticizing Israel's response, and look like no country is perfect, but for those criticizing Israel's response, it's like, what is the appropriate response to a 911 terror attack? Because you could make the argument that we, you know, obviously stayed in Afghanistan way too long, but between 2001 and 2021, we dropped over 80,000 bombs and munitions in response to 9 11. So it's like, what is the appropriate response to a 911 terror attack?

[Carol Markowitz]

Right. And I think that what people don't get about Israel is also Afghanistan's far away from us. Afghanistan's not going to invade us. They live with this fear all the time. Gaza is right there. Lebanon is very close. All of this is super close to Israel. And they're constantly under attack. Every night they're under attack. Our friend Dave Rubin performed in Tel Aviv a few days ago. The sirens went off while his show was going on, and his show happens to be in a bunker. So they didn't need to do anything. They could just keep continue the show, but that's how they live. And you know, there's been this conversation over the last few months in America of whether or not you need to visit a place like Israel to understand it. I think you do. And it's not about seeing the checkpoints or anything like that. It's not about seeing how the military operates or anything like that. It's about seeing the culture. Israeli culture is a culture that loves to live. It is a very alive place. It is a very normal place. It will feel familiar to you when you visit. It's a culture very similar to ours. They just want to live freely. They want to raise their children, they want to have a healthy society. And they've tried to make peace with the Palestinians on so many different occasions. They've tried the land for peace, they've tried a million different times to make different peace deals. It just never works because the goal of Palestinian leadership is not peace. And it's not to have land for their people. And it's not any of that. It's just to destroy Israel, and Israel can't have that. So the idea that, you know, some, some kind of something that Israel could give the Palestinians to make them stop attacking, there really isn't anything. So they have to destroy Hamas, they have to destroy Hezbollah, and they have to kind of live in a way that prevents future attacks. They have to constantly be on the defense. And it's a really tough way to live. And Israel, believe me, is a such a peacenik society. So many people that died on October 7th were peaceniks who wanted to live with the Palestinians side by side. The people who were marching in Colorado the other day, peaceniks, all they want is the hostages back and they want end to the war and they want peace with the Palestinians. And these are the people that keep being murdered by Hamas.

[Lisa Booth]

I mean, it will be challenging to figure out next steps, you know, because you do have a lot of people that have been displaced already that will probably continue to be displaced. So it's like, I don't really, like, I totally understand the fact that a two state solution doesn't make sense at this point, because how do you live alongside people who kill you, but then also what do you do with all those people as well? So I I don't, I mean, it is challenging and I, I truly don't know what the right answer is.

[Carol Markowitz]

Yeah, there, there's no great answer. Two state solution, in my opinion, is fully dead. I, I can't, you know, you can't reward October 7th with a state. You can't say, oh, you killed all these people and you did all these horrible things, here's a state for you to celebrate. And I think that Israelis understand that. And again, Israelis have longed for a two state solution. The right wing in Israel wanted a two state solution. It was something that was extremely common in their thinking. And I think that it no longer is because they get that it's not a state that the Palestinians want. They want a one state solution that does not include Israel. And again, they can't have that happen. So I don't know, I don't know what comes next. I, you know, when Donald Trump took office and he was talking about, you know, maybe half jokingly, but not really a Trump Gaza resort, it's sort of where the future is headed, where they are not going to get to control their own land because they've done so many horrible things and they have been shown to be incapable of governing themselves. So I don't know where this goes. I know Israelis don't want to be in Gaza. They didn't, they left Gaza in, I think it's 2003 and they didn't want to be there, so they don't want to be there now. But I don't, I don't know what the future will hold for them because I can't see them just returning Gaza to the Hamas leadership.

[Lisa Booth]

Do you think? You know, it's like you talked about the, the Trump Gaza Hotel. And I mean, it's interesting because President Trump does have this philosophy and he's been able to do things that previous presidents haven't with like the Abraham Accords and, you know, conversations that previous presidents couldn't have. And respect that he's getting that other presidents didn't have in the Middle east and from some of these Gulf states. And then I thought his line when he was in Saudi Arabia that the, the future of the Middle east is commerce, not chaos.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right. I really like that speech.

[Lisa Booth]

Me too. He gets it in a way that other people don't, that like when you have these mutual economic ties, you have a shared desire for stability. But. Sorry, continue.

[Carol Markowitz]

No, yeah, I was going to say I agree. And the only thing I would say is that religious fundamentalism in these Islamic states is the problem. It is the thing to get over. In Iran, for example, they had a flourishing society for so long, and then these fundamentalists came into power in the late 70s and now they don't. And so the mullahs don't want commerce, they don't want McDonald's, they don't want to do business with other countries. They just want to subjugate their population and to keep them under control. And so it's a real tough situation, but it will involve a change of leadership in some places. I think Saudi Arabia is in a really good place right now, and I think what Trump said there resonates with countries that are in that better place. They do want a better life, life for their people. I, I don't think that some of these countries care about whether their people are leading better lives. I don't think that's the point for them at all.

[Lisa Booth]

Although there are Arab states that, you know, that want to be more modernized and hopefully they can help stabilize, you know, hopefully they will be. Right. Exactly.

[Carol Markowitz]

Those countries help stabilize the rest.

[Lisa Booth]

You know, that's. That's the goal. Right. Carol, I love you, my friend. Is there anything else you'd like to leave us with before we go?

[Carol Markowitz]

I just want to say that Lisa Booth is the absolute best and I love you and we are going to be hanging out very soon and I'm very excited for that.

[Lisa Booth]

I know. I can't wait. I've missed you.

[Carol Markowitz]

We're gonna post a lot of hugging selfies.

[Lisa Booth]

Yes. We're like two ships in the night. But not, not this week. So that's right. Yes. All right, Carol, thanks so much. I appreciate your time.

[Carol Markowitz]

Thank you, Lisa.

[Lisa Booth]

It was Carol Markowitz. Appreciate her for making the time to come on the show. Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week until next time.

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