The Tudor Dixon Podcast: An Arab Muslim’s Life in Israel, Myths, Coexistence & Oct 7

Summary

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The Tudor Dixon Podcast | Episode: An Arab Muslim’s Life in Israel, Myths, Coexistence & Oct 7

Released January 14, 2026 | Host: Tudor Dixon | Guest: Ali Shaban

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Tudor Dixon sits down with Ali Shaban, an Arab Muslim citizen of Israel, to confront common myths about Israeli society, coexistence, and the recent conflicts involving Hamas, particularly the events of October 7. Dixon and Shaban discuss widespread narratives about discrimination, genocide, and the treatment of Arab Muslims in Israel, aiming to present a reality from someone living “on the ground.” Shaban, who completed service in the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) and has lived in Israel his whole life, offers nuanced perspectives on identity, citizenship, the challenges and strengths of coexistence, and clarifies the difference between Islam and extremist groups.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Shaban's Background and Lived Experience

• Full Rights as a Muslim Israeli Citizen
  • Shaban has lived in Israel for 41 years, enjoyed full rights and "full freedom" as an Arab Muslim Israeli citizen.

    "I'm 41 years old, so 41 years I'm in Israel. Arab, Muslim, Arab citizen with all rights and full freedom." (Ali Shaban, 02:45)

• Service in the IDF
  • Contrary to popular external narratives, Shaban served in the Israeli army, a path open to Muslim citizens.

    "I'm raised with the narrative that we are victims and the Jewish people occupied us and a lot of lies that I realized in my life that this is not the truth. I live side by side with Jews every day." (Ali Shaban, 03:19)

Coexistence and Social Realities in Israel

• Unique Middle Eastern Pluralism
  • Israel is described as the sole place in the Middle East where Jews, Christians, and Muslims can freely live and practice their faiths together; other regional countries do not allow such coexistence.

    "It's a unique place, Israel ... they allow us to build mosques, they allow us to practice our religion." (Ali Shaban, 04:44)

• Open Critique of Arab Community
  • Shaban notes that while Arab Israelis enjoy rights, there's an internal victim mentality and a tendency to demand rights without equal contribution.

    "We are just demand rights but don't give. Our duty to the other country to defend that country that give us the right to live here without no problem..." (Ali Shaban, 05:23)

Responding to International Accusations

• The “Genocide” Narrative and Displacement Claims
  • Shaban flatly denies claims that Arabs are subject to genocide or mass displacement in Israel:

    "My family lives here decades in the same house. No one come here and exhale us." (Ali Shaban, 07:47)

• Life in Mixed Communities
  • Nearly 2 million Arabs live in Israel, sharing schools, markets, hospitals, and neighborhoods with Jews.
  • Shaban distinguishes everyday cooperation from conflict with Palestinian militant groups:

    "Israel is fighting Arabs. But it's not all Arabs, just the one who attack us... They want to kill everyone here." (Ali Shaban, 08:21)

The Impact and Realities of October 7

• Personal and Community Impact
  • After October 7, life became tense and dangerous for Arab Muslims perceived as potentially siding with either community.

    "It was difficult to go in the streets in October 8th... Everyone was nervous. We didn’t know if we will survive this day or tomorrow." (Ali Shaban, 11:14)

• Condemnation of Hamas and Terrorism
  • Shaban draws a stark line between Islam and groups like Hamas, which he says distort religion for their own ends:

    "These people also kidnapped my religion and kidnapped the peaceful Islam that I learned in the mosque when I was young." (Ali Shaban, 13:04) “Don’t forget what they did in October 7th ... these people are monsters. This is not really Muslims... I don’t want to say what else I think about.” (Ali Shaban, 12:09)

Islam, Sharia, and Misconceptions

• Distinguishing Islam from Extremism
  • Shaban discusses the difference between the core message of Islam and interpretations like Sharia law, which he views as outdated in modern society.

    “Sharia law was good maybe 1400 years ago, but today we cannot have Sharia law because we cannot have slavery ... Sharia law is not the real law of Islam.” (Ali Shaban, 16:36)

• Attitudes Toward Women
  • He rejects the narrative of Islam being inherently oppressive towards women, referencing Quranic teachings about respect:

    "Respect your woman, don't like fight for her, protect her. This is your daughter, this is your sister and respect her ... Islam is good." (Ali Shaban, 18:29)

Citizenship and Social Mobility in Israel

• Practical Equality
  • Shaban shares personal experiences receiving support from the state, attending university, and having career and life freedoms akin to Jewish Israelis.

    "I have full freedom here and equal rights... After I did my army duty, I can see 100% that I have equal rights." (Ali Shaban, 21:10)
    "[Before army service,] the country was supporting me, supporting my family ... I was living in the foster family ... that the country take care of us." (Ali Shaban, 21:21)

• Comparisons with Arab Countries
  • In his visits to Egypt and Jordan, Shaban concludes that the standard of living and rights in Israel for Arabs surpass those in neighboring nations.

The Roots of Crime and Victim Mentality

• Community Challenges
  • There is a focus on how a "victim mentality" in the Arab-Israeli community can breed discontent and social issues like crime.

    "...when you live in this type of life ... and have no identity, you are not feeling like you're Israeli... This brings crime." (Ali Shaban, 24:15)

  • Shaban advocates for greater Arab participation in national life and service as a means to build collective identity and responsibility.

Trauma, Responsibility, and Moving Forward

• Mutual Trauma
  • Shaban identifies both Jewish and Arab communities as “traumatic societies,” noting that both harbor victim narratives that impede solutions:

    "We are both traumatic societies living together, doing more trauma to each other when we are not sitting and talking. We need to heal our communities. We need to talk and just talking. We're here, not bullets. Bullets will not fix anything." (Ali Shaban, 28:00)

A Call for Firsthand Experience and Dialogue

• Invitation to Witness
  • Shaban invites critics and skeptics—including Arabs from neighboring nations—to visit Israel and see peaceful coexistence alongside conflict realities firsthand.

    "Come and see, please... Come and visit for one day. And you will see the peace that we live here. But you also will see the war that we have and we suffer because of our neighbors, the Palestinian people." (Ali Shaban, 29:57)

  • He calls for the rejection of anti-Semitism and hatred, and the search for peaceful solutions.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “We are living the peace that we wish for every day. Peace is here and it's daily, on daily basis. But the world don't see it. And because of the loud voice of the hater, we are not acknowledged in the world.”
  (Ali Shaban, 06:18)

• “These people [Hamas and Islamic Jihad] also kidnapped my religion and kidnapped the peaceful Islam that I learned in the mosque when I was young.”
  (Ali Shaban, 13:04)

• "Sharia law was good maybe 1400 years ago, but today we cannot have Sharia law because we cannot have slavery ... Sharia law is not the real law of Islam."
  (Ali Shaban, 16:36)

• “My family lives here decades in the same house. No one come here and exhale us.”
  (Ali Shaban, 07:47)

• "We are both traumatic societies living together, doing more trauma to each other when we are not sitting and talking. We need to heal our communities. We need to talk and just talking. We're here, not bullets. Bullets will not fix anything."
  (Ali Shaban, 28:00)

• “If you're from Jordan and you do not believe me, come to see ... If you're from Egypt, come, inshallah will be peace with Lebanon and Syria and they can also come here and to see in their own eyes what's happening here.”
  (Ali Shaban, 30:44)

• “Stop the hatred and start to search about solutions, peaceful solutions. It can be done. You just need to believe and do that and stop the hatred, stop the anti-Semitism, stop all of that.”
  (Ali Shaban, 31:49)

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Key Timestamps

• 01:44 – Tudor Dixon introduces the episode’s purpose and guest.
• 02:45 – Ali Shaban begins describing his experience as an Arab, Muslim citizen in Israel with full rights.
• 03:19 – Shaban discusses serving in the IDF and initial victim narratives.
• 04:44 – Conversation on the pluralism and acceptance in Israeli society.
• 07:47 – Direct rebuttal of claims about Arab displacement and lack of rights.
• 09:59 – Discussion of denial and misinformation regarding October 7.
• 11:14 – The atmosphere for Arab Muslims in Israel post-October 7.
• 13:04 – Differentiating Islam from extremist interpretations and groups.
• 16:36 – Sharia law's historical context vs. its modern relevance.
• 18:29 – Islam and women; challenging Western perceptions.
• 21:10 – Equal rights, social mobility, and state support in Israel.
• 24:15 – Crime, community mentality, and integration.
• 28:00 – Trauma, victim mentality, and the need for dialogue.
• 29:57 – Invitation to visit Israel and witness coexistence.
• 31:49 – Final message: rejecting hate, embracing coexistence and solutions.

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Overall Tone and Takeaways

The conversation is direct yet reflective, marked both by personal testimony and a call for firsthand engagement. Shaban, speaking as an Arab Muslim who has lived his life in Israel, offers a strong counter-narrative to portrayals of unending hostility, discrimination, or genocide. He underscores the complexity of intercommunal relations, acknowledges ongoing problems, and promotes individual and societal responsibility over grievance and victimhood.

The episode’s core message is one of hope and pragmatism: progress is possible through mutual respect, rejecting extremist voices, and building connections that transcend painful histories. Both Dixon and Shaban urge listeners not to rely on external narratives but to seek the truth directly and to distinguish between people and radicals, faith and violence.

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Transcript

[Tudor Dixon]

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[Tudor Dixon]

Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I have a special guest with me today and we're going to do some myth busting on what's going on in Israel. Because I know you guys are hearing all these different stories about what's happening in Israel and the genocide and the hatred and all of these stor stories, but we wanted to find someone on the ground to tell us the truth about what's happening in Israel. And we thought it would be best coming from someone who is actually Arab and Muslim so he can tell you his experience. So we are pleased to announce that we have Ali Shaban today with us to talk about what's going on in the state of Israel. Ali, thank you so much for joining me.

[Ali Shaban]

Thank you for inviting me.

[Tudor Dixon]

So I've been watching your Instagram. I find it really fascinating because we hear all these stories like Israel's very discriminatory and they're discriminatory against Arabs and there's this genocide going on. But you kind of say this isn't actually the case. How long have you lived in Israel?

[Ali Shaban]

I'm 41 years old, so 41 years I'm in Israel. Arab, Muslim, Arab citizen with all rights and full freedom.

[Tudor Dixon]

But there doesn't seem to be any difference between you and any other Israeli citizen based on what I've seen you talking about, which I find fascinating because I saw you saying that you actually served in the idf and you wondered if you could serve in the IDF growing up because you weren't Jewish.

[Ali Shaban]

Yeah, I'm a Muslim. I'm raised with the narrative that we are victims and the Jewish people occupied us and a lot of lies that I realized in my life that this is not the truth. I live side by side with Jews every day. They are my neighbors, I worked with them. And not just me, a lot of a big percentage of Israeli, Arabs, Christians, Jews, Muslim, work side by side every day with Jewish people. And we live peacefully together and we collaborate. And the world didn't know about this.

[Tudor Dixon]

That's what I find fascinating. I heard it said once that in Israel, it's the one place in the Middle east where they allow all three monotheistic religions to live together. So Judaism, Christianity and Islam all together in one area of the Middle East. But that's not really the case. In other words, countries. So it really is unique. There does seem to be a camaraderie and acceptance and somewhat of a bringing together of cultures that is allowable there and not so much in other places.

[Ali Shaban]

Yeah, it's a unique place, Israel. And honestly, the Jewish people can live with anyone because they respect everyone who's respecting them. They allow us to build mosques, they allow us to practice our religion. You can be whatever you want and no problem with that. Just be a good citizen. And our case as Arabs here in this country, we are, in my opinion, not a good citizen because we are just demand rights but don't give.

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[Ali Shaban]

Duty to the other country to defend that country. That give us the right to live here without no problem in comparing with other countries. That's our neighbors, countries that I visited and I see how they live and how they live with minorities and how they deal with minorities. And Israel is not perfect. Yes, we have problems, we have some racism and some members of Knesset that are doing problems and not bringing solutions. And also we Arabs do the same. So we need to Fix a lot of things in our community. But at the bottom line, bottom line, we are living the peace that we wish for every day. Peace is here and it's daily, on daily basis. But the world don't see it. And because of the loud voice of the hater, we are not acknowledged in the world. The world is thinking. When they think about Israel and Arabs, they're thinking just war and occupation and the apartheid and all these slogans. Come visit Israel, come see if you can allow to yourself. And I'm truly. I want to believe Israel have interest to bring the people that can't allow to themselves to come here. Come seeing with your own eyes how I live and see who is making the problems and who is the the bad guys in this story. Because in my opinion there. There's not the Jews is the bad. Is not the bad guys here.

[Tudor Dixon]

Interesting, because we obviously hear the news. What. What happens what what we're hearing from the news and we hear people chanting that there is a genocide and that there's this attack on Gaza and that there are no Arabs in Israel and that in fact they're not allowed to have homes. That the Jews have displaced them and occupied the territory. But you would argue that Arabs are not displaced in Israel.

[Ali Shaban]

No, my family lives here decades in the same house. No one come here and exhale us. It was happening in the beginning in this country. A lot of wars have the same issue. We have war, you have people run away from wars. That's what happened here. But there are a lot of Arab cities and villages here in Israel. Live side by side with Jewish cities and villages. It's almost 2 million Arabs live inside Israel. Go to the with the Jewish people. Go to the same hospital, go to the same market. Living in cities that mixed with Jewish, Jews and Arabs. They are living in the same buildings. We are living together every day. And yes, we have problems. Israel have problems with Arab. Israel is fighting Arabs. But it's not all Arabs, just the one who attack us. And it's the Palestinian, the people that call themselves Palestinian. They have problem with us, with all Israelis, including Arabs. They want to kill everyone here. They want to exhale everyone from here. The solution in their opinion is to conquer this land and get rid of all Jews and all minorities and bringing Sharia and Islam Khalifa here. These people is monsters. Don't forget what they did in October 7th. Don't forget that. And imagine, please everyone who thinking about Israel and he's pro Palestinian. Imagine if what happened October 7th was happening in your city and your Kids was kidnapped. Imagine that your kids had raped and had suffered. What happens October 7th? Don't forget that if someone was doing that to you, what was your.

[Tudor Dixon]

There are these groups that are promoting the Palestinian cause and they are saying that that simply didn't happen. There's so many people saying there was no rape, there was no murder. What do you say to those people who say that didn't happen on October 7th?

[Ali Shaban]

You are secondhand information. Come here. Come and see how we live together. Come and see how Israel dealing with what's happened in west bank and Gaza. And come listen, hear from the real people that lives here, from Arabs, lives here, from Jews, lives here. And don't just listen to lies that in the, in the Internet or all the fake news or all the propaganda that they're trying to sell you to make you more loudly, like defending them and support them, the bad people that. I mean, Hamas and all the Islamic terror group that we have here.

[Tudor Dixon]

How hard was it after October 7 as a Muslim in Israel? Did that change how people viewed you?

[Ali Shaban]

Yeah, people don't know that I am a pro Israeli and I served in the army and it was difficult to go in the streets in October 8th. And after that it was very intense and nervous. Everyone was nervous. We didn't know if we will survive this day or tomorrow. It was very hard. But I think after two years, we can see that we Arabs inside Israel starting to understand the truth about our country and the truth about the Palestinians that want to occupy our country and take our freedom and take our right to live free in this world. And they make us slaves for them. We saw what they did to Arabs in October 7th. They also killed Arabs. They also killed Muslims. They also killed, kidnapped Arabs. So these people are monsters. This is not really Muslims. These people like me as a Muslim. I don't want to say what. What else I think about.

[Tudor Dixon]

So what, what do you think it is? Do you think it is? Do you think it's that? I mean, we talk about in the United States, we talk about the Israelis and the Palestinians. And I do think that people confuse that as Jewish people and Muslim people. But Hamas is not. Is not a Muslim group. I mean, this is a terror group. Is that hard for you to clarify on the ground in Israel that Hamas is different than Islam?

[Ali Shaban]

One of the reasons that I'm talking loudly and I say my opinion is not just to protect my country and protect my cousins, the Jewish people, is also to protect Islam and to protect my religion, because these people also kidnapped my religion and kidnapped the peaceful Islam that I learned in the mosque when I was young. So I think it's not about Islamic terror but it's about bad translation of Islam and to use this bad translation to lead people to bad future to to something wrong. But if you look at the base basic Islam and not the all the liars that the lanes comes after the basic at the book and then translate it right, I really believe as a Muslim that it's a lot of good there, not just kill and kidnapped and all the lies that we have today.

[Tudor Dixon]

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[Tudor Dixon]

There's a lot of fear regarding and surrounding Sharia law that you mentioned Sharia law. You mentioned that the folks over in Gaza, the the Hamas group would like to bring Sharia to Israel. Explain that to Americans because there is a lot of fear around Sharia law. But I think there's also some confusion between Islam and Sharia. There's confusion because there's a Belief that if you believe in the Islamic religion then you want to have Sharia law in your community.

[Ali Shaban]

Sharia law was good maybe 1400 years ago, but today we cannot have Sharia law because we cannot have slavery. We cannot have. I don't imagine myself buying slaves in the slave market. This is Sharia law. Sharia law is not the real law of Islam. The real law of Islam to be in my opinion, in my experience with Islam, to be a good person, to respect everyone and let everyone live. If you need to fight, you need to fight. Just when you protect yourself, protect your land, but do not attack. And I don't think the Sharia. Sharia law is when Israel give Gaza freely goes out in 2005 out of Gaza, take your land. We don't want it. We want to live in peace with you. Let's try something else. So in this case Sharia Allah will tell you, I think I believe that take care of your people, take care of your people, live peacefully and.

[Tudor Dixon]

But that's not what don't do.

[Ali Shaban]

October 7th. October 7th.

[Tudor Dixon]

I mean also I think that from the standpoint of being a woman, the messages that we've received over the years about what Sharia law is and I don't know, you know, I'm not a part of the Muslim community, but the outsider's view has been that it is very abusive toward women.

[Ali Shaban]

Yes.

[Tudor Dixon]

What would your response be to that?

[Ali Shaban]

I don't accept that. I don't want to look women and men are the same. And when you. When I read the Quran, I read a surah that say don't bury your child because the woman. Because that's the first thing I learned about Islam. Respect your woman, don't like fight for her, protect her. This is your daughter, this is your sister and respect her. Not the ads coming after because you have the Quran and they have the Hadith and the Hadith. It's all ads and I cannot trust these ads. So if we go to the basic. Islam is what I learned as a child. Islam is good. Islam is to be peaceful and don't I need to say something and I'm not a Muslim that practices Islam every day. And maybe I'm wrong in some issues here, but I remember always what I was teached and I learned when I was a child. So I want to protect Islam. The Islam that I learned when I was a children, not the Islam you talk about because this is not the real Islam. A lot of Muslims will tell you this is not the real Islam. And also I'm Protecting my country, protecting my children future here. So combining everything. So I cannot just do that and ignore that. It's the same. When you talk about terror today, you think about Islam in the same time.

[Tudor Dixon]

Well, you, so you, you live in Israel. Let me just remind our audience. Ali lives in Israel. You are, you talk about practicing Islam growing up, what you learned growing up. Obviously you were free to practice that religion growing up. Despite what we are hearing on the mainstream media here in the United States, which is this is a Jewish community and they are kicking Arabs out. There is no Islam in Israel. But that isn't true. So from your perspective, do you have equal rights in Israel? Is it just, is it life as, as normal? Is it. I mean, it seems very westernized in Israel.

[Ali Shaban]

Yeah, I can't move, move freely, go whenever I want, wherever I want and do to be a student, to go to college, to university and be a doctor and go work in a hospital or be a lawyer and a judge. And I have full freedom here and equal rights. After I did my army duty, I can see 100% that I have equal rights. Maybe, maybe the people, because they don't give their duty to the country, they have that they think that the country don't give them right. But before I go to the army, I have also. I didn't feel like I'm not equal because the country was supporting me, supporting my family. I was living in the foster family, me and my sister for two years that the country take care of us. My mother was very sick and the country take care of my mother until today. And that was before I go to the army, the country take care of me, not going to the crime way. And was I have, look, I have like care and wealth and everything, like Jews, Jewish people. But I sadly or unfortunately, unfortunately, we, the Arabs inside Israel live the victim mentality. So we like to complain a lot. We don't see the good thing that we had when we compare to Egypt or Jordan. I visited these countries and I saw how they live and I compared that with how I live and watch Israel giving me as a citizen even. And I thought to myself, honestly, even if it's not equal with Jewish people, it's still far better than what I saw in Arab countries.

[Tudor Dixon]

Oh, so while your mom was getting better, the state took care of you?

[Ali Shaban]

Yes, so. And since I was a child, until I was 18 years old, that the country take care of me as a young boy, they didn't allow me to go to the streets, they didn't allow me to go to the wrong way. Thanks God, thanks to God, thanks to Israel, I'm a better person today.

[Tudor Dixon]

So what is it like then? Is there much crime in Israel? I mean, if that's the case, if they saw that need and they were to take care of you, then they must be concerned with making sure that people have what they need.

[Ali Shaban]

People sometimes don't want to go to the right way. It's easier to go to the wrong way. And this is my way and my personality. I took what. The people that work with the government tell me that don't go to jail. Jail is X and Y. Don't do drugs, don't drink alcohol, stop going with the person that affects you badly. And I was open to that. But there is a lot, a lot of guys not open to that. And our community, I say say it again, live in a victim mentality. And in this victim mentality is very easy to live and complain and not focusing, being a better person, take responsibility and do change a good way because a good change because it's hard. So we go to the victim mentality. And when you live in this type of life as a victim mentality and have no identity, you are not feeling like you're Israeli. This country like it's very complex situation. So this bring crime, when this issue will bring crime. It's very easy to say that Israel not taking care of us and that was the crime is going big, but the crime is going big because our mentality, because we need to fix something in our community as an Arab Israeli citizens and try to make a change for our children. And. One of the steps maybe that can help is to take a project our national like make national project and protect our country and say loudly the truth about our country and start to go to army and volunteer to army and have go to like help our country and feel like we are belong here.

[Tudor Dixon]

Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on the Tudor Dixon podcast. I can see how a victim mentality would take root in an area where there's constant battle, there's constant conflict and there's constant war. One of the things that you, I saw that you had said on one of your social pages is that you didn't even know about the Holocaust until you were in your late teen years. I find that fascinating having grown up in Israel and going to school there, that you wouldn't have learned about that. When you talk about a victim mentality, do you see that on the Jewish side? I mean, many of these people had to leave their home Countries and go to a totally different area to escape the Holocaust.

[Ali Shaban]

Yeah. Yes. Victim mentality is everywhere and everyone can feel it in every society you have people that have this mentality and you have the opposite in everywhere. So you can meet this guy, this person here, or the other person. But the victim mentality in both sides will not give us solution. We can yell at each other, at each other every day. You did that for me and you did that and I did that for you. And I suffer because of you. And we can go like this a year and will not bring solution. We need the people that don't feel victim, feel responsible, the people that feel responsible for the future to sit and talk and start to bring solutions. And it needs to be our both sides interest. And unfortunately, the victim mentality is loudly today. You hear the victim mentality of the Arabs when you talk about Israel and you hear the victim mentality from Jews when you talk about what happened in the Holocaust and what happened the excels from the Arab countries. Also a trauma that Jewish people have lived. They excelled from Iraq, from Algeria, from Morocco. They excelled from a lot of that. So we are both traumatic societies living together, doing more trauma to each other when we are not sitting and talking. We need to heal our communities. We need to talk and just talking. We're here, not bullets. Bullets will not fix anything.

[Tudor Dixon]

Before I let you go, tell us a little bit about how you see Israel as a country though. Because your point has been, I mean, you, you talk quite extensively on social media about the fact that Israel's really a beautiful place, that there are people that can live together, that there is some harmony in this country that we're not seeing. So for the people who believe that this is a country that is bullying other countries, that they are committing genocide, that they're attacking everyone around them, give us a little bit of insight as to the opposite of that, what it is like on the ground, the love, the harmony, the. The willingness to share culture.

[Ali Shaban]

Yeah. Don't forget that we have two Arab societies here living in neighborhood with Jewish people, the Palestinian and the Israeli Arab. I'm talking in the name of the Israeli Arabs, that we have the peace already here. We live in it every day. Don't forget that. Come and see, please, I begging you, come and see. Ticket fly and come and visit for one day. And you will see the peace that we live here. But you also will see the war that we have and we suffer because of our neighbors, the Palestinian people. And you will see the truth. It's complex. It's not perfect. I'm not living like in golden era here. But we live together. We live together. We know how to live together. And this is a good example for all the Middle east to see. And if you're from Jordan and you do not believe me come to see you can you have agreement, you can cross the border. If you're from Egypt, come inshaallah will be peace with Lebanon and Syria and they can also come here and to see and see in her own eye, in their own eyes what's happening here. And inshallah we Arab the Arab society inside Israel, we will wake up and bring a new message of peace and coexistence to the Middle east and show the world the truth that we can live with the Jewish people. It's not monsters, as you teach me when I was a child. They don't have three legs. There are people like me, like you. So stop the hatred and start to search about solutions, peaceful solutions. It can be done. You just need to believe and do that and stop the hatred, stop the anti Semitism, stop all of that.

[Tudor Dixon]

Oh, that's a beautiful message. Thank you so much. Ali Shaban, thank you so much for coming on today.

[Ali Shaban]

Thank you for inviting me.

[Tudor Dixon]

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