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Tutor Dixon
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Rodney Williams
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Travis Holloway
And I'm Travis Holloway. Welcome to the wealthbreak podcast, a real conversation about financing.
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Rodney Williams
Let's be honest, building wealth doesn't look the same for everyone.
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Tutor Dixon
I feel like sometimes being broke is a cycle and that we might have.
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Travis Holloway
To revisit that and we're not stopping at success stories.
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What happens when it doesn't go right?
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Tutor Dixon
How do you cope with it?
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The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Recipients have done the improbable, the unexpected, showing immense bravery and sacrifice in the name of something much bigger than themselves.
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Joey Jones
This medal is for the man who went down that day.
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Tutor Dixon
Welcome to the Tudor Dixon podcast. Today I am joined by Staff Sergeant Joey Jones. Many of you know him from Fox, but we're going to be talking about his upcoming book, beyond the Answering the Call to Serve on America's Home Front. And the book officially releases on June 17th. Joey, thank you so much for coming on.
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Joey Jones
Yeah, thanks for the interest. I really appreciate it. This book is exciting for me and hopefully it's enlightening for a lot of other folks. So thanks for letting me talk about it.
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Tutor Dixon
It really, I'm telling you, that's what I was saying before we got on. It really is for me, because here in Michigan we've had a lot of situations where police have been under attack. And I liked how you started the book with your story about Colin Kaepernick, because I was reading that and I'm thinking, oh my gosh, this is so cool. They actually spoke and I'm going to hear something really good. And then you're like, no, he turned out to be a total jerk. So it just reinforced what we all thought.
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Joey Jones
Yeah, it's. You know, sometimes I feel like I look back and it's like, man, it's a little bit Forrest Gump, like in, in my life where I just end up wrong place, wrong time, or connecting with someone while something's going on. And with the whole Colin Kaepernick thing, you know, my buddy Nate Boyer connected us and it did feel very genuine. Nate was an Army Ranger, and after that he played for the Seattle Seahawks for a preseason, not, not in the regular season, but he was at 33 years old. So he gained fame just by making an NFL roster as a 34 year old rookie. And so Nate's a very open and honest guy. He's not necessarily politically liberal conservative. He just likes people. And he tried to bridge a gap and make something good out of the kneeling. And Colin kind of spit in her face. And I brought that example up not necessarily to talk bad about Colin, but to say, hey, listen, I'm not coming from this one sided. I'm just saying there's really only one side.
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Tutor Dixon
No, it's so interesting because as I was reading that, I think about comparing that to the political world, which you're obviously a big part of as well. And we talk about that all the time as we look at this next gubernatorial race in Michigan and what the battles are on the ground here, which are the battles in many states and education and things that you would think as parents we would all come together on. And I was just talking the other day, I'm like, you know, there is a part of me that thinks uncertain issues, we could sit down with the other side. But I read this and I was like, maybe I am being naive about that.
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Joey Jones
You know, I'll talk about in that intro, since you brought it up, which is this book. Unlike my last book, I probably spent more time on what the guys and gal had to say and making sure their words were accurate and their anecdotes made sense than I spent on my own take, because I didn't feel like my take was as necessary as making sure they were presented. But in the intro, one of the few places I get to just pontificate in this book, I talk about how there are two different narratives that happen. This idea of defund the police, which is what politicians said, and then acab, acab, all cops are bad. Or really what a lot of people are saying, all cops are bastards. And in doing my research and writing the book, what I learned is that it was the exact same movement. It's just politicians in their spineless way said, oh, we're not going to say all cops are bastards. We're going to say defund the police. We're going to kind of repackage this. So it became the politically correct way of saying all cops are bad or all cops are bastards. They were embracing that sentiment. And you look no further than the riots in 2020, and every time a police officer had to use their weapon in the line of duty, the politicians that would come out and call them a murderer because the person they shot was a person of color. And so you really, what you learn is that politicians are what they are, at least some. They latch on to the worst of us that we get excited and passionate about, and they use that to manipulate our emotions or allow us to become the worst versions of ourselves. And that's what happened in this movement. This idea that police officers are somehow terrible people. It's, you know, if I can turn that into your enemy, then you're not looking at me anymore. That's really what it became.
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Tutor Dixon
And it's so personal because this. That movement was. And I think it still exists, that movement is kind of. They paint police as this, as not people, you know, as a unit in and of itself. But this book brings you to the actual life and the day in and day out of these people so that you can humanize what these jobs are. And just last week, police. I actually had the honor of presenting a couple of Police Officer of the Year awards here in the state of Michigan. And you get to read Their story. There's. There's a significant moment in the year that something happens and you get to read their story aloud to the entire group and then present them the awards. So I had two different stories with multiple officers involved. And the stories are so powerful. And when I read them, I think to myself, I couldn't do this. I couldn't have run into this burning building. And the one was a police officer with no gear, not trained as a firefighter, who ran into a burning building and brings a child out, but in the process, two other children don't make it out. And you take that home. And there are stories like that in this book that I think that's the, that is what people need to read. Because the one thing that I came out of this award ceremony with from the director of the Police Officers association was our police officers still feel abandoned.
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Joey Jones
No, absolutely. When you read this book, number one, it's not all police officers. It starts with two firemen that are really close to me, my brother in law, and then a guy that was. I've known since I was 3 years old. He's like an uncle to me and they happen to work at the same department together. That's not why they, that's not why the three of us know each other. It's just I come from a small town. But in those first two chapters you have my friend Clay Hedrick, who is country is a turnip. Green is a. Hopefully that translates in Michigan. You understand what that means? Really? Country really talks with a thick accent, didn't go to college, but incredibly smart guy. And then my brother in law, Keith is kind of the opposite of that from this area. His dad's well educated. He's well educated, went to the University of Georgia, got a business degree, came back and told his dad that's a, you know, self made millionaire, hey, I appreciate the education, but I'm going to go be a fireman. And the point there is that these are two people. One person might see it as an opportunity in life, the other one sees it as a mission in life. But they kind of come together to do the same thing for a period of time. And they come from very different places. They're very different, you know, experiences in the same place. And I really wanted that juxtaposition to shine. And what happened was when you write a book like this and you interview people, what you want to happen isn't necessarily what happens. And what really shined was how they went through this experience of my brother in law talks about going into a Burning house at a young age. Early on, in a fire department, trying to save two kids, couldn't find them. They had crawled up and under a pile of stuffed animals to hide. Didn't find them. They perished. And then Clay talks about very first time on incident, very first time young kid is killed in a car crash and having to see the parents. And what you learn is it doesn't matter where you come from or what your experiences are. That raw human emotion is there. And some people can deal with it and some people can't. And they're two people that can. I don't know that I could. I mean, from the time I had my daughter, on reading the news on Fox and Friends, in learning about a little kid that was injured or mistreated, just hit so much harder. And so to know that we have people out there that can go do this and then come back to their own kids, take them to school through that same intersection that they just saw a kid die in and go home at night and give their family a smile and a happy day, man, it's. You know, we use the term hero a lot and superhero. And it's like, I feel like that's a super ability. It's not something I know that I could do. And to know that two people really close to me in my life do it every day. I've known these men for 20, 30 years. I didn't know these stories. And to know that you don't have to go to LA or New York or Houston or Detroit to find these stories. It's not Chicago Fire, it's Dalton, Georgia Fire Department. And here are two guys that have these stories. It's a common denominator. It's a thread that sews every community in this country together.
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Tutor Dixon
And that these tragedies are happening all the time. And we don't know, but they pile up. I mean, I think it was your friend Clay who said that when he saw the child, after he saw the child, he hit by a truck, felt like, I don't know if I can do this job. And almost the sense that I got from that moment was there was a little bit of shame. And he went to his boss and was like, you know, I just don't know if I can do this. And that was so human. There was so much vulnerability in the book, which I thought was beautiful, because it's the. It's the stuff we don't get to see. We see first responders and we think, just what you said, I don't think I could do that, you know, there's something special about them. And I do think there's something special. And sometimes because of that, we think, oh, they're all right because they deal with it differently. But the vulnerability of him going back and calling his wife and saying, I just need to hear the kids voices. I was in tears when I read that because I thought, this is just one day.
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Joey Jones
You know, I'm going to talk myself into a circle here. But you bring up a great point, which is I sit here and say it's almost a superhero ability. The truth is, they don't have the ability to do it any more than you or I. They just believe that their mission is more important than their own peace of mind. If there's anything superhuman about them, it's that it affects them just the same. Some people obviously get affected worse than others, things like that. But it's not that they're unaffected. It's that they believe that that job and the service they provide and the lives they do save and the people they console. And there's a game warden who was search and rescue is on the dive team. He believed in his story that it was worth hypothermia to retrieve a body of a young girl for her mother before, I think it was Thanksgiving or Christmas before the next major holiday, because his chief had made her a promise. We're going to find your daughter before the new year, whatever it was. And so he goes and he dies to find this girl. And he finally does. And as he does, they get him on shore and he blacks out and he wakes up in the hospital. So it's like. It's the kind of thing that, you know, he was willing to risk his own life, not to save a life, but to bring closure. And it's like this idea that they're not infallible. They can die in cold water just like you and I can. They can have the mental and emotional trauma just like you and I can. They just believe it's worth it, that the sacrifice is worth it, that the risk is worth it. And if there's anything special. I think the first chapter is Ordinary guy and extraordinary circumstance. And man, that just really ties a bow on all of it, because that's.
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Tutor Dixon
Who these people are and their families as well. I think that's also key, is that his wife heard in his voice when he called. There's something different. There's some. I'll just sit here in silence with him on the phone. And to me, that was so powerful. And then Sheriff Lamb was also a Similar story of his family understanding. I mean, my goodness, when I read about him working two jobs, he's working as a police officer and I think pest control too. And he is, I mean, you are away from your family so much. And his wife, God bless her, because I don't know that I, I looked at even that and I'm like, would I be that understanding? He's like, don't come to me with the minuscule things because I'm like, there are times when I'm like. And then they did this and they did this. You know, as a mom, you just like, you want to unload and you someone else, you want dad to come in and hear the horrible things of the day. But this understanding of what he is doing is a mission. And it is bigger than those small moments of so and so poked the other kid's eye. You know, like all the things that happen during the day, this is so much bigger. Yeah.
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Joey Jones
Mark Lamb's story is really unique. I mean, he became a, he's now essentially, especially on the right, a famous law enforcement figure because of, he understood the PR side of being a sheriff. What he really gets into that I love and I think is a great educational opportunity is like the constitutionality of a sheriff and how a sheriff has to juggle that responsibility of enacting laws that he believes are unconstitutional and the will of the people he serves. But by becoming this kind of forward facing sheriff, someone that has social media, then he becomes accessible to his community. So it's a little bit of vulnerability in a sense, because you can't just say, oh, I didn't know about that, or I didn't hear you, because now you can go on my social media page and tell me about your grievance. And so it really is, it's, it's so much more work to do that it's not about self aggrandization, it's about making sure everyone in your community knows you are accessible to them. And when you do that, then you have to hear all the things that they want to change. And instead of him being overwhelmed by that or coming up with excuses, he listens. And wow, what a person, an elected official that listens. And so every person in the book, whether it's the border patrol, search and rescue game, warden, fireman, police officer, swat, bomb squad, every person in the book has a story or two of trauma, of experiencing something that you hope nobody ever has to experience. And the anecdote I use is the worst day in our lives. Like in the book, when I Talk about losing my dad. The worst day in our lives. There's just another day on the job for them, it's just another day. But then also every person in the book, without prompt, offers some sort of wisdom or insight or actionable idea that has helped them and may help the person reading the book to get through that trauma or that difficult time or that difficult job, those difficult hours. And I think it's really unique, or not unique, but really amazing that this really something that we don't think about a lot, it's so common among them. It's this unique idea that I guess the best way to explain it is as a veteran for more than 20 years, I've watched my country have this conversation and lead to programs and, you know, everything from a free meal at Applebee's on Veterans Day to the Department of Veterans affairs looking at psychedelics to treat mental health. Like we've gone that far with our appreciation and understanding for the military, what they go through and. And what they may need as far as mental health. And then we look at our first responders who never come home from war because they go to their battlefield every day and we have nothing. We don't acknowledge it. We don't program for it. We don't. Very few charitable organizations and efforts exist. So how do they do it? They do it at the grassroots level. They do it in the fire hall, at the precinct, on the SWAT team, having conversations with each other because there's still stigma in their community. You're going to take me off the. Off the street if I go talk to the. We called it wizard. I don't know what each of them calls it, but the psychologist, like, are you not going to let me carry a gun now? You know, it's a legitimate concern. Like, I feel sane, but these things bother me. And if I just talk to you about these things, are you going to take my ability to do my job away? And so they just talk to each other. They have conversations. Clay Hedrick gets into it in the first books. Like he said, listen, what helped me more than anything was talking to somebody else about what they had going on. And it's this idea that you talk about humbling makes me never want to complain as a veteran again, which I try not to anyway. You know, we probably have it better than any group of veterans in this world. And we're living beside a fireman or a police officer that has seen equally as traumatic things and has none of the resources available we have. We're saying we should have more like it was a very, very introspective for me in writing this book. Joey.
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Tutor Dixon
We don't think about it as going to war every day, but they really are going into battle every single day. And it's interesting because like I said, when I was at the Police Officers association event last week, the director was saying to me, in since 20, I think 23, 24, 20 into 25 now, they are seeing more attacks on police officers than they've ever seen. It's like an increase of 75% that they are seeing people fight back and fight the cops. And I said, why do you think that is? And he said, I think that because they've seen all of these people come in illegally and get away with what they're doing, they, they feel empowered to go after these guys. And he said, to be honest, tutor, those are only the ones we know about. Because he's like, guys aren't coming back to the, to the office and saying, hey, I got my, my butt kicked today. He's like, we don't really tell people that. And I thought that is also something that you're taking home with you. You are at war every single day.
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Joey Jones
That was the picture I tried to paint, the picture that was painted for me, not in direct words because none of these guys and Caitlin, the female in the book, none of them would ever sit around and complain or. It's just, it's so antithetical to who they are. Number one, they look at guys like us. I mean, obviously I've got the prosthetic legs, but I know the majority of people in this book because I do these hunts where I take a group of my veteran friends and a group of first responders and we go on a hunt and we sit around a campfire and talk. And that's what really inspired this book. And, and so not to, I guess, lose my train of thought there for a minute because I'm thinking about hunting for a second. You see the duck over my head here? But the inspiration of this book came from this idea that here's my brother in law sitting beside me. I've known him for 30 years. Literally, we're family now. He grew up two miles down the road from me. Technically, different communities, but same area. I know where he works, I know the road that he got on to go to work every day, because that's the one I took to high school every day. And to hear him tell these stories of what he's experienced. And that was the first time it clicked in my head that, you know, his battlefield, where he goes to war to save somebody's life, is the most safe place in the world to me. You can pluck me out of Hawaii, Japan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Kurdistan, wherever I was at. And they said, put you somewhere that you feel safe anywhere in Dalton, Georgia. That's where I'm from. I know where I'm at. And to think that the same place that is the safest place in the world for me is where he sees the worst happen to us and sees us do the worst to ourselves, that just really kind of rocked my world a little bit. And what it showed me was the sense of entitlement we walk around with as Americans. We don't worry about, if I have a car wreck, somebody's going to be there. If my kid is injured, somebody's going to be there. If my kid, if I drop my kid off at school, there's a. There's an RS or a school resource officer and an SRO there that's going to take care of my kid. We believe that. And in this idea that these people exist in our communities, we go to church with them, we see them at the supermarket, we get mad at them in an intersection because they cut us off in their civilian car. And it's like they're the people we interact with, positive and negative all day. And they're also the same people that we just wake up every morning believing we'll save our lives and save our family's lives and save our house and save our business, we'll run into a burning building.
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Tutor Dixon
I mean, that to me is like you. You were saying earlier, I don't know if I could do it. I mean, I think in that moment, there's probably adrenaline if you are an in the moment hero. But these, this is their life. Every day. Every day, it's a choice to get up and say, I will run into a burning building. That's my job. If it happens, I'm here. And that. And I think, again, I will say, I think the thing that struck me in this book is the piling up of these stories because you talked about losing your dad. And then I think it was just a few days later when you saw the. The person from the fire department who looked at you and said, you know, what happened? It was still with him. It. That story was. That's just another file in the. In the file cabinet of suffering that he has seen. And I have to imagine that you take a bit of that into yourself every single time. And I think that was kind of highlighted in the book, too, where at a certain point people went, I need to talk to somebody. I need to say it's okay. I need to get this off my chest.
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Joey Jones
You're absolutely right. Take a step back. When you talk about running into a burning building, you're right. A lot of people may, in a moment with adrenaline, run into a burning building. That's being brave. It's brave when you're nine years old and you've never been electrocuted before to stick a paperclip into a light socket. Like, you're showing a little bit brave to do that, right? But once you've been bit, once you know the consequence, once you know that it hurts, you're not going to do it again. Well, if you're running into that burning building and it does hurt, trust me, it hurts. And the fear is there, and you see your buddy not make it back out, you. You're in a standoff, and you see your buddy get shot because you're on the Baltimore County SWAT team like Tommy Worrell. And so once you see somebody get bit or you get bit, it takes courage to keep doing it. Once you know the consequence, but you continue to do it, that goes beyond bravery. That becomes courage. Then it's a conscious decision, and that's what they all have in common. And I. And I make a little bit of that point in there, but I think it's really important. It's more than just running into the burning building. It's knowing what you're going to see when you get there. It's knowing what could happen to you while you're in there and saying, man, it's just. It has to be done. I can identify, in a sense, as a Neo detect, in the sense of I knew what those bombs could do, and I'd seen it happen to others, and it nearly happened to me until it did. But to do it for people that I know I grew up with, in a building that I have an emotional attachment to and an intersection I have to drive my kids through, it's just a completely different level. And each and every person in this book, I guess I'm humbled by almost kind of this heart and by. But also it's a sense of hope they found a way to deal with this on their own. I hate that they had to. I hate that there wasn't some major program and already figured out, you know, multi PhD person that can say, here's the 12 steps to getting through this, but it's just not true. And to think that the same guy, the same process in Dalton, Georgia and lapd, like the same amount of trauma for these two people and finding their way to sanity and finding peace. I mean, I say in the book, they give up their peace for us to have this blissful ignorance of safety. I mean, they give up their own peace of mind.
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Tutor Dixon
I think that's what's cool about the way it's written and you being the author behind it all. And I know you would say, well, they're the author of their own story. But bringing these stories together from your perspective, because I think a lot of us look at you and go, this guy has seen things I will never see and has done things for me that I didn't deserve. And I watch you walk up with prosthetic legs and I know that you feel pain. And that's something I don't think people really know, that somebody in your situation, you feel pain every day. It is painful to walk in a prosthetic. It is painful to put that on people. I know. I've seen the comments on social media and I thank you for always fighting back. Because honestly, you fighting back has taught me so much about what your story is and the this. Now you are teaching me the story of the first responders on the ground here in the United States, which I think you've brought these veteran stories to me. You brought your own story to me in a way that has made it so much more real for me to understand what you guys go through every day. And I think it's beautiful to have you be the person and go, hey, let me bring these American home front heroes to the page as well.
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Joey Jones
Well, I. I hoped that. There are nine people in this book, and I think five or six of them I've known for more than a decade, some of them multiple decades. None of them are cold calls. They're all people I knew personally before I decided to write this book. And the reason why I wanted that, to have that fact in there was when I sit down and pitch the book to the publisher, they're like, oh, I know NYPD and Oklahoma City, and there are these amazingly terrible things that have happened and amazing stories from them. But my point is, I can write just as impactful of a book with people from towns you've never heard of. That is the Point is that you don't have to be in New York or LA or in Oklahoma City when the building is bombed to understand this or to have a first responder in your life that's going through this. And I just hoped that I had enough credibility that they would share with me and be vulnerable with me. And the audience that I presented it to in the book would say, ah, that last book was pretty good. Let me see this one. So that's my, that's my goal in this is I had this amazing, amazing enlightening experience over the last four or five years since 2020 to go on these hunting trips, talk to my buddy, see a veteran that's a special operations bomb tech, talk to a hometown fireman and see those two guys have more in common than I probably have in common with either one of them. And to see how they became vulnerable with each other and talked about these things because you know, if you don't talk about it, it just bottles up inside you. And they've learned, these first responders, probably more so than we have because there isn't this national conversation where we feel heard. They don't have that. They've learned if they don't talk about it with each other and somebody, then they don't make it through it. And so it's been probably more rewarding for me than it will be for them to have their story heard and read. It's more rewarding for me to be the one to get to do it.
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Tutor Dixon
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Joey Jones
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Colby Ekowitz
We've all done it. You see a headline but don't have time to read the whole story. Or there's so much news you're not sure what is worth your time. I'm Colby Ekowitz, co host of Post Reports, the weekday afternoon podcast from the Washington Post. Post Reports brings you what's relevant and revealing. Breaking stories, politics, wellness, culture. Each episode goes beyond a headline for the context you need. Find Post Reports now wherever you're listening.
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Rodney Williams
I'm Rodney Williams.
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Travis Holloway
And I'm Travis Holloway. Welcome to the Wealth Break.
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Rodney Williams
Let's be honest. Building wealth doesn't look the same for everyone. It's not just about saving. It's about investing. It's about navigating systems that weren't built for you, embracing your hustle, and relying on your community to create something bigger.
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Travis Holloway
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Rodney Williams
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Travis Holloway
And we're not stopping at success stories. We're breaking down the realities, like what it means to take risk, how to navigate failure, and why resilience matters. Because wealth isn't about money. It's about creating a life where you can thrive and help others to do the same.
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Rodney Williams
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Travis Holloway
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Tutor Dixon
What would be so cool is to have this in schools, to have high school kids read these stories and have to talk about them. Because I think to your point, it being a town I've never heard of is is the town I live in, it's a town no one's ever heard of, you know, so it is my. When I read these stories, these are stories of people in my town, I'm sure somebody could tell me the exact same thing. This is it. This has been how my life has been. And I would love to see as we kind of combat this because like I said, the first responders here in Michigan will tell me every day, it has been so hard, morale is down. Still, it has been so hard to get people to answer the call, to serve, to get people to come to the fire department, to get people to join the police department. It has been such a challenge because there is this undercurrent of hatred, because the movement, the movements that these radicals push, they create, they're powerful and they create long lasting effects if you can't beat them down. That's the beauty of this book, is that it does beat those stories down because it is real people. And you cannot help but fall in love with the people on these pages. And so I think it would be fantastic to get this into high schools to talk to young people and say, look, these are the people that put everything in their life on the line to make sure you're safe. That sense that you have of man. Every place else in the world I can see danger. And right here I feel safe. And that was a powerful statement to me that, that that's not safe for them. They put themselves in danger every day. And I appreciate the fact that you wrote this and you brought these stories together. So thank you.
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Joey Jones
Well, I appreciate it. I think like on that idea of feeling safe, and I always use the, use the analogy that when it comes to post traumatic stress, like how you feel in a social environment when you come home from work, the way I stay positive about it was like looking behind the curtain at the wizard of Oz. Like, as long as you believe in wizard of Oz, anything can happen and things are awesome. But the moment you find out the wizard is just a man moving things around, things get real. It's like, oh, this is the real world. And so it's the same thing. Once you see a benign environment turn deadly, then every benign environment after that has the potential to be deadly. You've seen behind the curtain. It's one thing to be in this combative environment that makes it hard for me to go into bars and concerts. It's another thing for the curtain that you live in front of to be sitting at a red light or walking into a three story building. And when you're when your curtain, when the benign environment that you know can turn deadly becomes the restaurant you sit your family down to have dinner on Friday night. The amount of just pure faith, I guess I don't know what it. I don't know where they each get it individually, but this idea that I don't know that I'd ever leave the house with my kids anymore, you know, and they still do, and they still have a full life now. Some of them hit rock bottom during their career in a very suffering in silence way. When I say rock bottom, like they hit a place to where they can't find a smile and they can't find happiness and they all crawl back out of it because that's just who they are. It's who we are as Americans. It's, you know, for everything negative in this book, it's also incredibly inspiring and uplifting. And my point in talking about what I went through in war or writing unbroken bonds of battle or behind the badge is so that every single person out there can read these stories and say, you know what? I identify. And always when I do a public speaking, I always say, and I think all the guys in the gal in this book would say the same. You look at me and you have this reverence, and I appreciate that. For me, it's because I got blown up. But I look back at the audience and they look back at the people they serve, and it's like, look, you're going through cancer. You've lost everything you own. You went through a messy divorce. You've lost a child. Look how resilient and strong you are. Why wouldn't I be here for you? And they all, every single one of them, believe in the people they serve, and they love the people they serve. And the people in this country are strong people, man.
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Tutor Dixon
Absolutely. All right, so we have to tell people where they get the book because I, I really would encourage people not only to read it, but share these stories with your kids. Because we have, we have a curse that came into this country that we have to break. And that is this idea that these people. There's something that is nefarious about the people that go out to fight for us and save us every day. And like you said, they go to war every day. So it is behind the badge answering the calls to serve on America's home front. Where can people get.
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Joey Jones
Get it before June 17th? Go to foxnewsbooks.com and pre order. You'll probably get it on June 17th. If you pre order it after June 17th pretty much everywhere books are sold. Barnes and Noble Books a million Amazon foxnewsbooks.com but if you're going to pre order it foxnewsbooks.com and you'll probably get.
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Tutor Dixon
It before anybody and you'll love it, go out and get it. Joey Jones, thank you so much for joining me.
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Joey Jones
Yes ma' am, thank you.
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Tutor Dixon
And thank you all for joining the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, go to iheartradio.com or go to iheartradio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and you can watch it on Rumble Tutor Dixon. So join us next time on the Tutor Dixon Podcast and have a blessed day.
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Colby Ekowitz
We've all done it. You see a headline but don't have time to read the whole story or there's so much news you're not sure what is worth your time. Colby I'm Colby Ekowitz, co host of Post Reports, the weekday afternoon podcast from the Washington Post. Post Reports brings you what's relevant and revealing. Breaking stories, politics, wellness, culture. Each episode goes beyond a headline for the context you need. Find Post Reports now wherever you're listening.
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Rodney Williams
I'm Rodney Williams.
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Travis Holloway
And I'm Travis Holloway. Welcome to the wealthbreak podcast, a real conversation about finances.
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Rodney Williams
Let's be honest, building wealth doesn't look the same for everyone.
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Tutor Dixon
I feel like sometimes being broke is a cycle and that we might have.
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Travis Holloway
To revisit that and we're not stopping at success stories.
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Unknown
What happens when it doesn't go right?
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Tutor Dixon
How do you cope with it?
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Rodney Williams
Because wealth isn't just about money. It's about creating a life where you thrive and help others do the same.
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Travis Holloway
Listen to the Wealth Break podcast on the iHeartRadio app.
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Unknown
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Of Honor is the highest military decoration in the United States. Recipients have done the improbable, the unexpected, showing immense bravery and sacrifice in the name of something much bigger than themselves.
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Joey Jones
This medal is for the man who went down that day.
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Unknown
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Ryan Seacrest
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Unknown
You, he's Joe Getty.
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Ryan Seacrest
We're Armstrong and Getty. We try to bring you the truth and help you figure out this crazy.
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Joey Jones
Modern world about something about a comedic tone.
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Ryan Seacrest
We have a winner. Yes. Listen to Armstrong and Getty on Demand on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Tutor Dixon
This is an iHeart podcast.