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The Tudor Dixon Podcast: China’s War on Faith and the Threat to America
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Tudor Dixon
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the Tudor Dixon Podcast. We are going to talk again today about China. The president has just come back from his trip to China. There are some things that we may, as Americans not understand about China or maybe take for granted about our own country, and that has a lot to do with religious liberty. And I wanted to speak with someone who could talk all about this, because I do believe that there are a lot of people in the United States who would love to see the president push back on how China is treating people of faith and kind of get into a longer, larger, deeper discussion about the reasons why communism and dictatorships look toward pushing all faith out and moving their country toward atheism. Because you can be more easily controlled. I guess if you have no faith and no moral compass and no values, then they can take that over. But I'm not the expert in this. We have former Ambassador Sam Brownback with us today. He is the former governor and senator of Kansas. Also, he is the former US Ambassador at large for International Religious Freedom. So, like the guy who should be talking about this. Welcome, Ambassador. Thank you so much.
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Sam Brownback
Thank you, Tudor. Appreciate that. And thanks for having me on the show. And thanks for being willing to dive into this. Because this is one of these things that most people, maybe they don't want to know about it, but they're sensing that something's there, something's different, something's wrong. And we've just kind of let China have a buy for the last 30 years, raising these sorts of issues. But now you're going, wait a minute, we can't, we can't keep doing this, particularly as they're being so aggressive towards us. We need to confront them on issues like this.
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Tudor Dixon
It's interesting. For several years, I attended a Bible study called Bible Study Fellowship, which is an international Bible study. They have spent a lot of time bringing Bibles into China, working to get the people of China the ability to worship freely, which obviously we know has been ratcheted down, ratcheted down more. It was almost like they used to be able to in different regions, but now it's. It's really been controlled by the government. This is. They're really cracking down. And I think Americans are like, oh, we're struggling to push back on this persecution of Christianity. These people are being murdered for believing in Christ.
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Sam Brownback
They are. And what you witnessed and what you saw has been the kind of the ebb and flow within China under Mao when the Communists first took over. Crush all faith because communism, officially atheistic, but it's also operationally atheistic. Need people not to be practicing faith and answering to some authority or power that's higher than the government. Nothing can be higher than the government. Nothing. And that's part of the authoritarian rule. And if somebody's there, they're a Christian, they're answering to Jesus, to God. This is a problem because the authority is higher than the government. And so typically in these authoritarian regimes, and particularly in China and communism, they go at religious leaders first, and they're usually the first ones attacked, and they're usually the last ones left standing as the only civil society left in the country. So Mao comes in, hammers it down. Deng Xiaoping changes the quotient, opens things up, has more liberalization, there's more people liberalized. They can do more. Xi Jinping comes in, hammers it back down. And you're now really, I think, starting to see the true dark heart of communism in what they're doing. They're arresting people in numbers they haven't done since Mao. They. People get disappeared. A noun that pastors that. We just don't see them anymore. People go to the hospital for sicknesses that are pretty minor, and they're dead 24 hours later. These are happening now often in the China of the Chinese Communist Party.
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Tudor Dixon
When we were young, we learned about Mao, and obviously it was radical. And you as a child learning about his reign in China, it felt like that was such ancient history, like that kind of dictatorship and violence could never happen again in the world because we had progressed beyond that. But to hear you compare Xi to Mao is pretty stunning. I mean, that's meaningful.
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Sam Brownback
And unfortunately, it's true. I really wish it wasn't. I like China. I love Chinese culture. My wife and I have adopted a child from China. But what the Chinese Communist Party has done to that country is horrifying. And what you're seeing take place today, to the Uyghur Muslims in the western part of the country, concentration camps. To the Falun Gong, which is this sort of mix of Daoism and Buddhism that had nearly 100 million people following it for a while. Things like forced organ harvesting, where they would take these people in, they blood type them and capture and harvest their organs. I mean, it sounds so crazy to the Western mind. And in 2026, we talk about forced organ harvesting, but it's true. And what they've done to Tibetan Buddhism won't let the Dalai Lama return home. Wiped out whole sections of it. They're really. They've got three genocides going on, and it's all of religious people, Muslim, Uyghurs, Tibetan Buddhists, Fallen Gong, and then the Christians, that's the largest group there. They're going at them much more aggressively now as this force that's been growing in the country. But the government's doing everything they can to suppress and hold it down. And. And Christians answer to a higher authority than the government.
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Tudor Dixon
Why aren't we hearing about this? I mean, we have people constantly screaming that there's a genocide in Gaza. We hear about the attacks against Israel, we hear about Iran attacking their own people and killing their own people. But this is truly an organized genocide. They've tried to make sure that they are intermarrying, that the culture is gone, that the traces of genealogy are gone. They're really, really. This is truly a genocid.
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And yet there's still.
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Tudor Dixon
There's no sanctions on China to prevent this. There is not a pushback on China saying, if you don't stop this, then we're going to make you have some sort of financial or trade pain. Why are Western countries not more. More impactful on stopping this?
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Sam Brownback
We let the Chinese economy get so integrated into ours, and then it's just this. You've got these two economies that are very dependent. So you start talking about this. Well, let me give you the perfect example of this. There's one basketball player that stood up on the issue of Tibet, Ennis Cantor. Freedom. He put Free Tibet on his shoes. The game is basketball. NBA is very popular in China. $5 billion deal between the NBA. And that's the numbers I have, and you really need to look it up. But it's worth a Lot of money. He puts that on his shoes before the game starts. The Chinese Communist Party shut the feed off going to China, the game he was playing for the Celtics at the time. And the NBA comes to in his can of freedom, said, hey, you got to take this off your shoes. He says, am I doing anything illegal? I said, no. I mean, we, we put Black Lives Matter, we put other things on our shoes. Is Sealegal, nope, but take it off your shoes. And he's no longer playing in the NBA. But the money is so connected here and the economies are so interconnected that you've got all this monetary pressure that goes with it. But that's why we really got to break these two economies apart. And we've got to get our own supply chains that are not dependent on a Chinese Communist Party that seeks really to remove us from global leadership. That's what they're after. And we've got to be much more clear eyed and knowledgeable about this now. It's going to take some time. I think President Trump's just trying to have a smooth relationship and get the boiling temperature down between the US And China. It's probably a good thing in the near term, but we've got to be clear eyed looking forward. This is not our friend, this is not our ally, this is not our competitor. This is our adversary and they seek to take us down.
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Tudor Dixon
That is where I think that people are so easily confused by China coming to the United States, China buying land in the United States, China having businesses here, because it doesn't go the other way. And there is a real push in this country to walk people away from faith. And I want to get to that. But I want to hit on something you said about the NBA because you talked about how much power the NBA has in China. They have a huge audience. China likes the NBA. The people want to watch. Wouldn't it be a big move for the NBA to say, you know what, this relationship is over because of what you do?
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Sam Brownback
Absolutely. And they should do it. And there'd be people in the United States really cheering them for doing that. The things that they've talked about and some professional athletes saying, well, we don't like the voting system in Georgia. This was a couple years ago where they're saying, okay, we're going to pull the All Star Game out of a state. I may be off, it may have been North Carolina, and we're going to pull a game out of, out of there because we don't like how you vote. And I'm all for Everybody voting. I want everybody to be able to vote. Okay, well, you're making money off a system that is systematically killing people and doing a genocide, and you're okay with that?
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Tudor Dixon
You make such a great point. This is how ignorant people are. So they didn't like the rules that Georgia changed. You're right. Exactly right. They said, we don't like what Georgia is doing to ensure that. I think it was voter ID at the time, something to do with that. So they moved the game to Colorado. Colorado had the exact same rules already in effect. That's the bizarre part about that. And. But that's activism. And I will say that the left and communists, the communists of the world and the socialists of the world are really good organizers because they know if they can pull you into something and they make you feel like you're a part of something bigger than yourself, they can pull you away from everything else. They can pull you away from your family, they can pull you away from your faith. And I do think this is happening because I remember when this kind of blew up a few years ago with the NBA, and people were saying, well, should the NBA be in China? I mean, if China is committing these human rights atrocities, then maybe the NBA shouldn't be there. And yet I would say we didn't do a great job of organizing against that because that felt like a moment where there could be a lot of Christians that came forward and conservatives that came forward and said, we demand that the NBA stand against this type of atrocity, these types of human rights offenses. And. And yet it wasn't strong enough. However, in the United States, there are groups that are trashing the Christian faith and they're coming out and saying, oh, these are Christian nationalists and they're domestic terrorists and anybody who is involved in a church is dangerous. And. And we have lost a lot of ground on faith in this country based on that type of activism. Is that the Chinese infiltrating into the United States?
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Sam Brownback
You know, the short answer would be, I don't know. But we do know we've recently had a Chinese plant become mayor of a town in California and taking her orders from overseas. I do know when I was governor of Kansas, I had three Chinese spy cases in my state. One conviction, the other two they left just led before the case got prosecuted. This guy was stealing wheat seed from our land grant university. And I'm going, you know what? Why are you picking on us? Go pick on California or Massachusetts. But my point of it is, is that they've very well infiltrated into the United States. And we've just, we've got to start really being much more aggressive and pushing back on this and, and saying no. And then they use our system and there's transnational oppression of these Chinese dissidents that I highlight in this book and I hope people get it, if they want to become more familiar with it, that there's transnational oppression in the United States, that they get followed, they get their phones tapped, they get, they get threatened. If you speak out, we're going to come after you here. So I think there is just a lot of education that we need to do of ourselves.
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Tudor Dixon
this is something people are looking to educate themselves on but they don't really know where. So the book is called China's War on Faith and it is it takes you through multiple stories, correct?
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Sam Brownback
Yes, we go through. We go through every major faith in China, Buddhism, Muslims, Christians, Falun Gong and give specific examples and then policy recommendations for how to how we really can address this issue.
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Tudor Dixon
So let me ask you when you see people like Mamdani and even in Michigan we have Abdul Al Sayyad and Rashida Tlaib and they are so pro communism but you know that they are also part of the Muslim faith. And they are devout Muslims, I believe. I mean, they, that's what they portray as being devout Muslims. Are they being used by the Communist Party as kind of useful idiots in this case? Because ultimately, if the communists get what they want, these people are not going to be attending their local mosque anytime soon.
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Sam Brownback
China is the only country I've been able to find in the world where you legally cannot name your child Mohammed. They banned it. That should tell the 50 plus majority Muslim countries in the world. Do you really want the Chinese Communist Party leading the world when you can't name your child Mohammed in China? I would hope people would start to wake up. I don't know the people's profession of their faith and how deep and operational it is and I don't know how they're being used. I just know that communism, whenever we've seen it used anywhere, it produces disaster. It's been tried in multiple regions, multiple continents. It produces totalitarianism that comes with it. It produces and reduces the human person down to an economic entity without a soul. It has no place for God. And none of those are things that the American people in general want. And we should be pointing this out. But you also remember Ronald Reagan faced this when he first started becoming an activist. It was because of communist infiltration in Hollywood at the time. This is not an old. This is not something new. We've seen this play before. But you've got to stand up and call evil by name and call it out. And I, I think that's the time and the moment we're in.
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Tudor Dixon
And he was bold in that mission. He didn't hide that he was fighting communism. He didn't hide that he was going to make sure communism didn't come to this country. And he was also clear that it only takes a generation for the entire economic system of a country to change and that they start with the young people. And we've seen that in this country. We see that at some of our greatest universities are now being infiltrated by this communist mind rot that is getting into the next generation of kids here. And also we're seeing this openly talked about in some of these campaigns. You've got AOC who talks about socialism and borders on communism. I think Maine is an interesting situation right now because you have the former governor or the current governor, I guess, Janet Mills, who was running for Senate and she was in her Democratic Party. She had Graham Platner come in. Graham Platner has a communist tattoo. He has openly said that he is pro communism. He is now the leading candidate there because she has dropped out of the race. When you see major races like this, and a U.S. senate seat to me is a very major race, and you have one, you have the moderate Democrat, I guess, or the traditional Democrat step out of the race to make room for the communist. Does that scare you?
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Sam Brownback
It does. And it's a fear that's built upon people not knowing what communism does or is. Last week I was at the Victims of Communism Foundation Museum here in Washington, D.C. people come to Washington, they really should go see that so you can see what communism does. This is not some new governmental ideology of how you run a government. This is an old industrial era idea coming from Europe and it has been used, as I said, in multiple ways. We know what this system produces. I just think each generation has to be reminded. We have to talk with each other. We have to read things that, okay, let me just read your examples of what you're saying and then do your own research, do your own checking on this. But it's time to sound the alarm. This really is a threat that's upon us and they're at war with us. Whether we know we're at war with them or not, they're coming at us. And the sooner we can realize we're in this fight, the more options and the more successful we'll be.
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Tudor Dixon
You made the point that the president was in China last week and he is keeping the peace. And there are people who would push back on that and say they, they would like him to be more forceful about stopping this. But you also have a president that for the last term, the entire four years never went to China and very rarely, if ever communicated with the Chinese government. We're not sure that he was actually capable of having deep communications with any government. How badly does it hurt us that now we are coming off of four years where the CCP was able to go without check. I mean, really, the United States was, was not there to keep them in check.
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Sam Brownback
I think one of the key things that Donald Trump will have to do in his term and has done thus far is restrain evil in the world. And that is keeping really at the core, the Chinese Communist Party at bay. That's the source. That's the place that funds and that backs and that buys the oil from places like Iran and Venezuela previously and supplies all these different places. That's the node of the cancer. That's what that sends out the other cells. But we're too intertwined with them economically to do anything dramatic quickly. And they pulled this rare earth minerals move on us where they had cornered that market. These are very necessary items for us. They're not, they're hard to process, they're not hard to find. And you got to build up these processing plants and it's a very expensive commodity procedure. And they cornered it and shame on us. Well, we got to unwind from that and we got to unwind our pharmaceutical chains. You don't want to do that just immediately. You're going to create all sorts of economic problems and problems for the American public. But we've got to be, I think, clear eyed about disengaging these two economies, particularly on these critical things that we need so much.
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Tudor Dixon
But there was some concern that he went there with the CEOs and that there was the potential for more business, more intertwining rather than less. And I think that there are people looking to say, well, do we want our American CEOs building there or do we want our American CEOs building in friendly countries?
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Sam Brownback
Well, we want them building in friendly countries. We want them to get those supply chains outside of China. But if you're a CEO of a major company and you don't see this fight right now between the United States and China and see it coming in a radical way, you've got really bad advisors around you and you're not processing things very well. This is setting up the American public is, is done in many respects with China. The Chinese public is done with the Americans on both sides. This thing is really breaking apart in the public's mind. And you know, we just have got to get in safer places. And the safest place is to invest back home in the United States. My Hope is these CEOs are actually talking to China about how do we kind of sell for a fair price what we've got here in your country to get to somewhere, somewhere else, or you guys, the Chinese conscious party, you gotta change because we're not gonna keep dealing with you if you keep operating this way.
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Tudor Dixon
Well, I mean, that's essentially what I was saying with the NBA. Couldn't these companies demand, also demand change? Because as much as we are intertwined, we're intertwined because of commerce. So that has a lot to do with these private companies that go over there. And obviously the US Government can't demand that you leave. That would crush a lot of these companies, as you said. And I think that there is confusion in 2024. There was so much talk of decoupling and we have to protect ourselves. We have to get away from from having so much manufacturing in China. If you haven't been a manufacturer in your life, you don't necessarily understand that. That is easier said than done. You have to have another factory somewhere. You have to build the tooling. It's. It all has to be tested. It takes years to, to change over, sometimes years to change a product over at a manufacturing plant, let alone an entire manufacturing plant. So in order to truly decouple, you would have to have everybody on board and it would take years. I just, I don't see how a full decoupling could ever happen.
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Sam Brownback
Can. My estimation. It can. It takes time. And if I were a CEO in one of those companies, I would be pushing to get this done as fast as I possibly could, knowing that my whole business model could be at risk. If I've got to depend on a Chinese supply chain and they decide they're going to attack and invade Taiwan or they decide we're going to shut something down.
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Tudor Dixon
It could happen at any moment, could
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Sam Brownback
happen at any time. And they threatened to do it with these rare earth minerals earlier. So, you know, you've, you've got, you know, there's an old saying that Mitch McConnell in the Senate used to have. He said there's no education from the second kick of a mule. And I just think we should have heard this message on the rare earth minerals. We should have seen last year when xi Jinping had 23 dictators and authoritarians from around the world gather in China together and they showed the flag together. That should have been just in chills down people's backs. And this reminds me of World War II and when they.
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Tudor Dixon
What about Putin and Xi together with the new world order, you know, you
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Sam Brownback
see these images and then they're in an unlimited partnership, partnership without bounds. We should hear their words and say, I'm believing these words.
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Tudor Dixon
And the lifestyle in China, I think it's hard for people to understand how controlled life is. Brett Baer was over there and he posted this, this post on X saying we. Our driver was illegally parked for two minutes, but there's cameras everywhere. And we got a. Something like a $40 ticket immediately. This is. You are constantly under watch. You are constantly, you, you have facial recognition constantly checking you everywhere you go. You do not have freedom. You do not have privacy. And yet this is starting to happen in you look around your community, you will see on these posts all these cameras going up at intersections, just randomly on the street all around. And, and the reason that peop this is happening is because these are private companies. And they have a contract with the state and they say, oh, we're just putting the cameras in because we want to be able to watch and we want to have these cameras. Why aren't we freaking out about this? Because it just takes one person in government to say we want to activate those cameras against the people. And, and how much choice do you have to, to not be under the surveillance state that China is under?
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Sam Brownback
Well, you don't have a choice there. Every one of these cell phones, you've got a tracking device. It's also a listening device and you carry it with you all the time. And what are you going to do about it? How am I going to get around without this cell phone? You go on buses, they have buses in China that you don't pay when you get on, that just recognizes your face and charges your account and you're gone. And then they're moving to digitize the currency, which is something I think is a really horrific idea because then they can decide, you know what, we really don't like you, we're just turning your money off. And then it's not only you we just don't like. We're going to track and know who calls you on your cell phones. We're going to do that same thing to the people that contact you, that are your buddies and have them put pressure on you. I, that's why I really sound the alarm in this book about you. The authoritarians in the world have tools now that they dreamed of having a generation ago but didn't. But they've got them now and they've deployed them in some places in the world where you can see these, these digital police states in operation in Xinjiang. Cameras everywhere, police station. Every 50 yards, everybody's given blood samples or hair type. And if you go to the wrong places, you can't get into the school you want to get into. You can't get an apartment that you'd like to have, you can't travel. You know this, this is sounding like Mark of the Beast type stuff when you put it in operation like they have in some of these places in China
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Tudor Dixon
and they take away faith. So you don't even know it's Mark of the beast.
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Sam Brownback
Yeah.
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Tudor Dixon
the, that is scary, scary stuff. I mean honestly, as I've watched, I watched the President's speech at the dinner that he had in China and it was wonderful what he said. He talked about the good feelings between the two countries and I understand, I understand that he is in a position where he is trying to work with China as you said. But I do think that there is the average American who listens to that. And you know, he was saying we have more Chinese fast food restaurants than any other and more people are connected to Chinese culture than any other in the United States. And I do think that a lot of us have fascinations with Chinese culture. And you know, we grew up reading books about Chinese New Year and mythical creatures that come from the Chinese culture and we have kind of a romanticized view of China. But the truth is we have to be really hyper aware of how dangerous and how powerful it is. One of the largest economies in the world, they have more manufacturing plants than and manufacturing plants where people live. I mean that's what I think people also don't understand. You know, we have factories. It's hard to get out of a country that has factory factories with built in workers who are forced to live at the factory and that I also think American CEOs should be held accountable if they have a factory in China where people are forced to live there.
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Sam Brownback
I, I think we've got to be aware too. I think we've given China a buy, as I mentioned earlier, for the last several decades on all these abuses. And we've done it just, okay, we're building commerce and as you become more intertwined with our commerce, you'll loosen up more politically and people will have more freedoms, was the operating theory. And I bought into it for a good period of time thinking, okay, and it was liberalizing under Deng Xiaoping and you could, and people could send bibles in and I had friends that were supporting and doing orphanages in China. And you know, these things were all, they were all happening, kind of going, okay, it is trending that way. But then you bring in a real authoritarian again like Xi Jinping is, and they turn around and use all the money they made off of us and build up of, and buy a big military with it to confront and face off against us. And they further tighten down the religious system and they take it instead of a regional control of it, they make it a national entity and they, they hammer these guys. So I just, I think it's time to, we just say, okay, we see where we are, we understand where we are. We're not ready yet for this fight. We need to break these economies apart. It takes some time to do it because it's going to take some time to do it and confront this beast. Because yeah. And it can't be just a detente like we did with the Soviet Union for a long period of time. You stay over there, we stay here. We'll fight over some places here. One of these two systems, this authoritarian style system or our Judeo Christian based Western civilization is going to ultimately win out. And it'll probably be within the next five to 10 years that one of these systems is going to gain, gain the upper hand. And with all this surveillance technology and everything that exists, it's going to be hard to break out of an authoritarian state if those things all get implemented.
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Tudor Dixon
That is key. That's important for people to understand. I think also you made a really great point because I hear so many people say, well, you know, 10, 15 years ago, Republicans were saying, work with China. And it was a, it was different. People did feel that it was safe. People were, they were working, they had factories over there, they were working, they had partners over there. And then suddenly our IP was being stolen. They were building our parts, they were building our, they were building John Deere tractors, but they weren't John Deere. You know, they were starting to build our technology under their name and stealing everything. They're pirates and essentially taking our economy and building an entire huge infrastructure. And now they do have the largest navy in the world. I think people don't understand. They may not have naval ships that are as powerful or as impressive as ours, but they do have the manpower. They do have the largest navy in the world. And there is a reason that they built it. It did. It was to come after the United States because we are what's standing in their way of world domination. And that is their goal. You know, if people, people try to say, oh, that's not their goal, that absolutely is their goal. I'm sure you talk about that in your book. It's called China's War on Faith. Tell people where they can get it.
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Sam Brownback
Amazon. Just go on Amazon. Order it. It's an easy read. We tell stories of people's lives and what they've done from various. I mean, whether they're Buddhists or Muslims or Christians or Falun Gong, we tell. Here's. Here's what happened to me. These are eyewitness stories of people. And, and then, as I say, we, we make recommendations on how, how people can move forward. But I, I think there just has to be the mental shift in the United States and not seeing just China as an easy place to supply us all these nice goods that we like to get at cheap prices. And you got to see that we can't, we can't keep doing that. It's bad for us. And I had a guy that I got to know that was the head of the Tibetan government in exile. Tibet's never been a part of China. Tibet's very different distinct culture and religion, but China swallowed them. And he said to me, said, you know, look, either the world will change China or China will change the world. And I think those are, those are accurate thoughts. And it's not going to take all that long a period of time because the world's so interactive and interrelated now. This Western democratic system is built on this Judeo Christian ethic of everybody's and unique individual with inalienable rights that are created in the image of God. And, and our rights come from God, not from government. That's just basic Western civilization. That's what we're fighting to maintain here, and it is well worth maintaining. Western civilization ideas have been in control over the last hundreds of years and have produced more goods and more better things for the world than any other civilization than prior time. So we don't want to lose that and it's worth fighting for.
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Tudor Dixon
Absolutely. That's why we're here every day. Ambassador Sam Brownback thank you so much for coming on the podcast today.
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It's my pleasure to join you, tutor
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