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The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Exposing Cannabis, Big Pharma, and the Hidden Mental Health Crisis with Dr. Josef Witt-Duerring
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All right. Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Tudor Dixon Podcast. We are Back today with Dr. Joseph Wit Doring. And I told you we were going to talk about all things that are crazy with these drugs. We're going to get into the sexual side effects. A lot of people have texted me, a lot of people have messaged me about that part of it. I think that's because that's one of the most shocking parts of the psychiatric meds. But I also want to get into some of the cannabis stuff because I have seen that you have been out there posting some of the stuff about cannabis psychosis. It's near and dear to my heart. We legalized marijuana in the state of Michigan back in 2018, and I wanted to get your opinion on this because I don't think anybody, I don't think that's a common household name, cannabis psychosis. And it's kind of scary.
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Yeah. So out of all the things I talk about, I usually get the most criticism about this. People hold cannabis near and dear to their heart. You know, it is a. Herb, it is a medicine, it is safe. And my position is that if you care about good psychiatric health, it is something that you need to avoid completely. Now, what a lot of people don't realize is that high potency cannabis products are the norm these days, and they're about 40 times more potent than the ditch weed that a lot of people grew up smoking back in the day. And what we found, when we look at the, the, the science behind this and the epidemiology, out of all drugs that you could have a psychotic response to, because this happens, I mean, this is. This shouldn't be surprising. Like, many people have heard that you can have a bad trip on, on cannabis. That's. That's what we're talking about. You know, 10 people smoke, smoke joints, nine of them are giggling and having a good time. One person becomes paranoid. And this happens with all drugs of abuse. And out of all of the drugs of abuse, you know, methamphetamine, lsd, cocaine, the one like the One drug that, that if you have a psychotic reaction to that, you have the highest likelihood of going on to being diagnosed with bipolar or schizophrenia. Essentially, that's a proxy for ongoing manic or psychotic symptoms that aren't just confined to when you got high, that continue to go after that. It's cannabis. And people are often surprised when they hear that. They go, why isn't it meth? Why isn't it lsd? And the point that I want to make to people is that there is something uniquely damaging that about cannabis that can precipitate ongoing mania and psychosis.
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That. So that's very interesting because we just had a case in Michigan where a man, you may have heard of the story of the Walmart stabber, the guy who went in and he stabbed several people in the Walmart and the store. So the backstory of that, that not many people heard because it was just a local story here in Traverse City. The man had. He was in his 40s, and when he was in high school, he had had a bad hit of weed. And he came home and his mom, his mom was like, you know, he's never been the same. He came home and he was curled up in the fetal position. And he said, mom, I got some bad weed. And he. She said, you know, that was the day we lost her. He was 14 years old. She said, that was the day we lost him. He was never the same after that. And they have suffered with all kinds of paranoia that he's committed multiple crimes because of the paranoia, because he's no longer the same. His brain was permanently changed after one hit of bad weed.
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Yeah, yeah. And. And I, I think people listening to this, they'll go, oh, this is just. This is some reefer madness stuff from back in the days. You know, this, this is alarmist. And so I want to kind of. I need to add a little bit of nuance here. And this is for people who have ever encountered doctors, like, if you, if you have a, like a cannabis induced psychosis and you go to the doctor and you start psychosis after that, they'll say it has unmasked your schizophrenia, which is essentially a way of saying your brain was broken. You already. This was gonna happen anyway. It's just, you know, you smoke some weed and now, you know, you're more sensitive, but you actually have schizophrenia. Having worked with people at the Tapir Clinic, because one of the reasons why people come to me is that they're on. They get put on antipsychotic medications after they have a cannabis induced Psychosis. They continue to have psychosis, and so they're taking the antipsychotics. Eventually they decide that they want to come off the medications, and, sorry, eventually they stop smoking cannabis, and they want to come off the medication at that time. What I found is that even after they stop smoking the cannabis, that they still have, like, enduring psychosis for several years afterwards. And this has been seen by other people, not just me. I mean, Aubrey Adams is someone that talks about this a lot. And when you actually support people coming off cannabis, you will notice that sometimes for a year, sometimes for two years, they're not quite right. And so you have to kind of ask yourself, why does it take a year or two for some people coming off cannabis to have their mood stabilized, to stop experiencing paranoia? The one explanation that I can think of is that there is something toxic about cannabis that is actually harmful to the neurons. And the reason why it takes a year or two afterwards for this to clear up is that your brain is actually healing. It's recovering from a toxic insult, and that's why it's taking so long. Now, the problem is, and this is. I know this is kind of a longer point. The problem is that most doctors will miss this and they will say that it's schizophrenia and they need to stay on the drug indefinitely, when really what they need to do is completely stop smoking weed, like any of it. And then they just need to be patient. They need to wait a couple of years for their brain to heal.
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That's so interesting, because the mom was interviewed in this case in Northern Michigan, and she said it was his drug of choice then and it is his drug of choice now. So obviously this is an ongoing issue. One other thing I wanted to ask you about, which you may not know about this. I don't know if it's incredibly rare, but we had someone who worked for us who was constantly ill, like physically ill, vomiting, not able to keep food down, and they couldn't figure out what was going on with him. And he just kept coming into work, and he was like, you know, I'm so sick. I'm so sick all the time. You have to remember, when you are taking any type of drug, whether it is cannabis or anything else, you're putting a drug in your system, it's changing your system. He was also a heavy pot smoker, and he ended up dying. It was devastating to the family, to everybody around. He was so such a beloved person. And afterward, a doctor said to one of his family members, you know, he may have had this sickness that occurs when you, some people can't smoke cannabis or, or do cannabis to that level. Or they are, their body like kind of rebels against them and they can no longer get nutrition.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, it sounds like cannabis induced hyperemesis, which really isn't that uncommon. I know you said it was rare, but this is, this is a common thing that happens with heavy cannabis users. And yes, I mean if you're having, if you're vomiting a lot, you're going to have electrolyte imbalances. Some of these issues can lead to heart attacks. And so it's not a safe product. Especially the stuff that they're handing out now that is so high potency and there's really not great regulations around it. And we're going to see more episodes of psychosis, more hyperemesis. And this whole branding of it as this safe natural medicine, it just doesn't hold true for the products that are being sold on the US market today.
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Well, again, you could have a medical cannabis card before it was legal in Michigan. I think there are other states, I think Florida is one of the states where you can have a medical cannabis card. So that makes you feel like this is medicine. I've been prescribed this card, I have to have it. But even when you have the card, you're kind of self dosing. This is a really dangerous thing to give to people.
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Yeah, I mean, that's the problem with American healthcare today. A lot of it works like a production line. I mean, there are bad actors out there that will essentially give you a card for a couple hundred bucks. They're not really evaluating you. There's not really follow up. That's their shtick. Come to me, I'm pro cannabis. I think of it as a herb. All right, here you go. And that happens with cannabis and it happens with psychiatric medications. And many people are getting the illusion of health care. But yes, they're essentially just given permission to go and take smoked cannabis for their pain or their PTSD or whatever it is with really minimal oversight.
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These are huge industries. These people make tons of money. Pharmaceutical companies, the cannabis industry, they're all making a ton of money. Why are doctors so quick to tell people that they have depression or anxiety? I mean, this can happen in the first 15 minute visit. Like you said in the first part of this. You can be in an office for five to 10 minutes with someone, you suddenly get a label that you have for life. And I think oftentimes folks who get this label, they internalize this label, they become this label. Rather than wanting to overcome the label, they become the label.
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Yeah. So I'm going to give you a two part response to this and I'm going to start with the first part, which is simple. There is a commercial incentive to see people in a short period of time because of insurance. You simply make more if you see four people in an hour. And so there's time pressure and bad incentives for doctors to just say you have depression and there's an FDA treatment for that, you know, I'm covered legally for it rather than do an in depth evaluation. So that's going on. But the question is, you know, why do doctors do this? Aren't doctors ethical? Don't doctors care about people? Don't doctors want to do a really good job with their patients? And as, as someone who has been in the pharmaceutical industry, I did work there for a couple of years. I've seen how their marketing machine works. And you know, people sometimes think I'm a conspiracy theory theorist when I talk about this, but there is a multi billion dollar industry there that has a vested interest in shaping how you look at things. They will deploy their resources towards medical journals, towards thought leaders and academics and at conferences to constantly tilt the opinions about things in one way and the ultimate sort of outcome of them selectively, let's say, platforming certain opinions, mobilizing, you know, patient groups which they fund to complain about, you know, the fact that Dr. Yosef's on the Tudor Dixon podcast and she's spreading misinformation, they can do that. They have patient organizations which they fund which seem like they're grassroots and like independent, but they can send them a letter because they give them millions of dollars to come and throw hate on you and just say she's dangerous. So effectively what you have, you got this billion dollar industry that is essentially just controlling the narrative. That's what it is. And so most doctors, when they see patients, they think generally depression is a biological condition. I don't really hear about relationships and works and work in nutrition. They must not be important because my medical education didn't emphasize that. But the reason the medical education didn't emphasize that is because they didn't have a big industry there. Just saying, you know, talk about this, talk about that, you know, and, and so essentially that, that's, that's what's been going on. We, we've, we've had our medical education taken over by commercial interests.
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I want to ask you something a little controversial now because you made a post about Charlie Kirk. Sure. And you said Something about him being murdered for having conversations. You're talking about really big stuff against really powerful people and companies and the government. Do you worry about that?
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I mean, I do worry about that, especially over the last week. And, I mean, people have been coming after my medical license for a long time. You know, they follow me around on social media, you know, posting, you know, call the Utah medical board, get this guy to disbanded. But, you know, after watching this assassination, yeah, I do worry about it. I just want to stay here. First and foremost, I'm not suicidal. So, you know, if anything kind of looks like that, that's not, you know, that. That's. That's not true. But I don't know, it's. I, I think you have to be willing to die for what, what you believe in sometimes. I mean, I don't want that to happen. And I. And I don't say this lightly, but I really believe that I'm here to share this message with people. And, you know, if that leads to this kind of attention, then so be it. But I always. I try to not be overly inflammatory. I try to say things as they are. I try and speak with compassion when I can. But, yes, I do think there is a target on my back, specifically because I'm talking about mental illness and people on psychiatric medications, and some of them may be unstable. And this can be really confronting and challenging to some people's identity to hear that, hey, maybe it's not just your mental illness. Maybe it's like your life. That's like a painful thing for some people to hear. And so, absolutely, I, you know, I worry, but it's not going to change what I do.
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It's an interesting way of putting things because I think Charlie would say the same thing. Yeah, I will go out there and die for what I believe in. And we. We should all be willing to. That we're going to make the world a better place. And what you are going out there and talking about is incredibly personal. And you, you fight for two groups of people. There is a group of people who say, I've been wronged and this happened to me. And there's a group of people that don't know yet.
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Yeah.
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And they don't know that you're fighting for them. And I mean, I've even heard that in these stories that I've seen on social media since we lost Charlie. And people have come out and said he was the only person that spoke truth to me. And I got out of where I was because I heard the truth. But I Wasn't willing to hear it when I was face to face. And it took me a while. And that's why I think you talking is so critical, because it does take people a while. I told you at the beginning, the majority of people who have come to me have come to me and private messaged me about the side effects of SSRIs. And that runs the gamut of nerve pain to our artificial arthritis pain and sexual dysfunction. And the sexual dysfunction, I think is that's the side effect that hurts people the most because it's not their own personal side effect. It's a side effect that affects their loved one and. And their. Their chance of having a loved one. And I've heard so many stories. Honestly, I did not know the extent of the sexual dysfunction. It's called pssd. There's whole groups out there. I. My world has been open to these people who have been suffering in silence, and they have these. They have these vocal social media accounts, but they're just not heard. They're not big enough. They're not. They're being silenced by Big Pharma too. But, I mean, we're hearing numbers like 70% of people who take an SSRI will experience some form of sexual dysfunction. But. But the really disturbing number is that in almost 20% of those cases, this is permanent.
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Yeah, I'd correct you on that. I haven't seen the 20% number. And I want to. Let's unpack this. Up to 70% of people, maybe even higher, they experience sexual dysfunction on the drug. So we're talking about decreased libido, muted orgasms, erectile dysfunction, all sorts of things. And it's sort of. It's told to patients as like, hey, this is just something that happens. If you want to take the medication, don't worry, it's going to go away. It's a trade off for feeling better. And so people say, well, you know, I'm in a really bad place. Okay, I'll deal with it. Now what happens is that some people, when they come off the medication, not only does it not go away, they develop other problems. And so the constellation is they get sexual dysfunction, which is characterized by genital anesthesia, which is essentially the erogenous sensation that you normally associate with down there. It doesn't feel like that anymore. It feels like the back of your hand. And so there's sensory changes. They have cognitive dysfunction. And they also feel massively dissociated. They say, you know, I hug my parent or I hug my kid. I don't feel Any warmth there. I don't feel any connection. I hear my favorite song from my youth that used to give me prickles on the back of my neck. I don't feel that anymore. And so they're massively blunted. I mean, people have used the term chemical lobotomy to describe this before now. The incidence of that is what's really important. Like, how common is it that people will experience enduring sexual dysfunction afterwards? Now, the one stat that I'm familiar with is 1 in 216. And so that's far lower than 20% of people will have this enduring sexual problems. But if you think that we've got 14% of the American population taking these medications, it's actually probably a little bit higher. 1 in 216 is a massive amount of people. I mean, we're talking about tens and tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of people worldwide with this problem now. And that's why, you know, you have places like the PSSD Network which are talking about this. And the last point that I want to make here is people are going to be listening to this and they're going to say, this is insane. If these drugs were causing permanent sexual dysfunction in, like, young people, you know, just takers in general, I would have heard about this. It's in the labels in the European Union, it's in the drug labels in Canada. It's in the drug labels in Australia, it's in the drug labels in Hong Kong, and it's being considered for the US Labels currently. And so this isn't like a fringe thing. It's just again, it's just, it's suppressed by this same fake argument of compassion where people who have vested interests in saying the drugs are safe. You know, we're advocating for mental illness. People with mental health problems are stigmatized. I'm gonna shoot down anyone that criticizes the medications. It's a fake argument of compassion used to silence people when we really just need to be honest about this. So people have informed consent and they can say, well, do I really want to expose myself to what is probably a rare risk? And many people are going to say no. You know, one in 216, no, thank you. Let me try some other things first.
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I think that we're not as surprised as you think now, because I think there is this group of people who have said this Maha movement is something different. We're finally learning that there are drug companies out there that are getting approval for things that may be harming us, that the ingredients in our food may be harming us, that we haven't been told the whole truth. But also I think that this is a generation that has seen some of the most horrific psychiatric care we have ever seen in our lifetime with the transgender movement. And I say that because I've seen these people who have parts of their arm removed and have these fake penises made. They have their, their penis is cut off and they have fake vaginas made. And anybody who has had a surgery and I've had a double mastectomy because of my breast cancer, anybody who has had a surgery like that where they cut through the nerves, you know, you might as well be sentencing to them, them to a life of no feeling, no intimacy, no romantic relationship. What doctor would cut off a person's genitals and tell them you can, you can create new genitals and be a different gender because you've just, you've destroyed them? There's, there's no creating new genitals and there's no recreating nerves. That's not a thing.
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is such a heavy, this is such a heavy issue. And, you know, I think that the folks out there with gender dysphoria, they are clearly suffering. But I think everyone would agree that the best strategy is to try and have someone feel comfortable in their own body, in the sex they were assigned, and to not expose them to treatments that are irreversible, disfiguring, and can also impact their fertility long term. I think, I think one of the problems is, and it never should have been like this, the whole issue of transgenderism was swept up into a political, swept up into the political space. And because it's, it's, it's talked about so commonly, some people will latch onto it as this is the reason why I'm Unhappy. And if you listen to stories about people who have regret afterwards, they talk about that. They talk about being lost and confused and unhappy and feeling isolated. And they get sucked into these communities. They get cheerlead, they get told you're oppressed. This is what's going on. And doctors thinking that they're helping patients, they cheerlead them onto these medications and doing these surgeries. I don't really think it's in the best interest of most of these patients going through this. And I think they're doing it out of political will instead of actually taking the time to sit with them and help them love their body and, and find, find a way to get through whatever challenges that they're going through.
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How does a doctor look at a 10 year old and say, I should put them on puberty blockers? Because a puberty blocker, a puberty blocker is just stopping that child from going through puberty and having those life change. It's not changing their gender. You are stopping a critical part of your development.
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Yeah, I mean, I think the problem is that many doctors aren't acting like scientists, they're acting like political activists. And that's the only reason that I could see that someone could delude themselves into thinking a 10 year old can make that kind of decision.
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Hmm. Yeah, that's upsetting. Yeah, it's upsetting. I was thinking this morning, I was thinking about doing this podcast and I was thinking, you know, when I was in psychology, I was a psych major in college years ago and we studied the DSM 4. So I don't even know what level you're on now. I don't remember transgender. You, you said gender dysphoria. I don't remember transgender being in there.
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Yeah, it's, it's, it's not in there. Gender dysphoria is listed in the DSM 5. And I mean, it's, I mean, it's real. I mean, people are clearly having, are very unhappy about their identity and their sexuality and all of that. I think it's making a lot of people upset. But I mean, I don't think the solution is to be deluding people into thinking that the opposite gender, especially when that comes along with, with medications and potentially surgeries. If this is something that does happen, I think it should be rare and I think it should be in adults who have had a lot of time to think about it. And I mean, that's my stance on that.
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Well, so let's talk about that, because I do think when, I mean, when I Studied it back in the 90s. We were told it's extraordinarily rare. Extraordinarily rare. It's not extraordinarily rare to hear kids talk about this today, but it wasn't extraordinarily rare to hear people talk about anorexia in college either, because it was also a social contagion. So I remember having that conversation in depth when I was at the university. It's like, this can be a situation where one girl in a room in college age has a eating disorder, and then this kind of like travels through an entire sorority house or something. This seems to be the case with these kids. But I have a question for you, because when Dr. Jurata was on, he talked about these SSRIs, SSRIs impacting the fetal brain. And that in animals, you could see sexual dysfunction when they hit adolescence, when the. The baby hit adolescence. And we have all these kids today that say, I'm non binary. I don't have a gender. I'm genderless. Which I. I think for so long, I've been like, that's insane. It's impossible that you can think that you're genderless. Until I started to listen to this. And maybe I'm crazy too, but I started to listen to this. I've heard stories of men who have said, I was fully attracted to my wife. I thought she was super hot. I wanted to have sex with her all the time. I went on these drugs, and I had no interest in her. And I started to think, I must be gay. And it struck me, how does that happen? But if you suddenly had no interest, your mind could trick you into thinking, like, why am I no longer sexually sexual? Attraction is so core to who we are and our relationship. I mean, that is why two people say, I will commit to you the rest of my life is because we connect on that level in such an amazing way. You know, I have such attraction to you. I want to be with you. To have no attraction, it makes me think, could these children who have been affected either by this in the womb or. I mean, we're talking about kids that are as young as six going on an ssri. Could this permanent sexual dysfunction be causing kids, once they get to adolescence, to say, I'm really not into sex. I don't even understand it. I must be non binary.
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Yeah. I don't think you've gone off the deep end with this tutor. And I'm gonna lay out the breadcrumbs so you know, your audience can make up their own mind. So firstly, you know, these drugs are potent. They cause sexual dysfunction in 70% of people. That's not a surprise. They are used sometimes for people who have a history of being sexual predators. They've gone to jails. Like, the judges will say, you have to take an SSRI because it blunts sexual desire and they believe it will lead to less recidivism. And so these are even used for things like pedophilia, all of that. I mean, it's a dark side there. But the point I want to make is they potently disrupt sexual functioning. Now, because we can't do like a placebo controlled trial in humans due to ethical reasons, we do them in animals. And here's what they found when they look at what happens to mice who are exposed to SSRIs in utero and in the very early stages of development when their brain is undergoing a lot of changes. The mice who are exposed to SSRI medications go on to have a higher rate of autistic like behaviors and reduced sexual engagement. They mate less than the other ones. Okay, and so your question might be then, well, what happens in humans? You know, this. This is mice. I mean, for me, I would be concerned enough looking at the mice, but I get that that's a valid arrangement. Is this potent enough to affect humans? There have been 12 MRI studies where we look at the brains of kids who are exposed in utero to those who are not exposed in utero. Done very well, controlling for factors like maternal depression, which can make things confusing. But essentially it's good studies. There are structural changes in the brains between the kids who are exposed and not exposed. Do these persist to adolescents? Well, yes. When we look at adolescents who are exposed in utero, they actually have altered changing in their amygdala, which is the area of the brain that controls anxiety and fear. The processing is different to the kids who were not exposed. And so when I kind of. Well, the other thing is, and I have heard cases just like yours. I've spoken to two gentlemen who are heterosexual, and when they developed pssd, they started to question their sexuality because they were just very confused because they were not aroused by women they previously would have found very arousing. And so when I kind of piece this together, okay, we have this animal study, we have, have clear signs that it's showing changes in the brains of infants. It's progressing all the way to adolescence. I have some case reports where men are starting to question their sexuality because of this. You can't help but kind of link that together and think could what we're seeing now be a result of SSRI medications hitting the market in the early 90s, making billions for pharmaceutical companies? You know, where like, you know, 15% of people are taking these medications now, and I think it's anywhere from 3% to 10% of pregnant women are taking antidepressants during their pregnancy. It's a wide range, but that's still a substantial amount. Think about anywhere from 3 to 10% of pregnant women are on these medications that are impacting the brain during its most sensitive time of growth, where it's going from a speck to a fully formed brain. I don't think it's a stretch to think that, that we may be leading to people being asexual, people being more confused about their sexuality. That could be kind of caught up into the transgender thing, especially with the political climate right now. I mean, to me that that seems possible.
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It's interesting because as we look at this, I think all of us have said what is happening? How is it suddenly that all of these kids don't know their identity, they don't know their gender, they can't decide who they want to you have a romantic relationship with. So I do believe that there is a component that's social. And I think that as we've watched the political spectrum and the political powers get involved in this discussion, it's almost like a you hold someone up as like the mascot of your party, right? This is we are for this. Yeah, but it's the people who are living this are struggling. I mean they're hurting. And if we're honest about mental illness, we would say that it's painful and we deserve or these people deserve for us to Step out of the political discussion and look at this from a scientific standpoint and ask, is there something that could potentially be causing this, that causes people a lot of pain? I mean, if you don't think that you have attraction to someone, it's a very lonely life. And I will get in trouble for saying that. Oh, my gosh, she shouldn't say that. People shouldn't live alone. I mean, but we're not biologically meant to.
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No, no. I mean, it's one of the. It's one of the legs on the chair of mental health, you know, is mutually satisfying, romantic and platonic relationships. I mean, it's a cool core part about being human. And if we're. That if we're going to destroy that for people, another part of it is having a family for many people. If we're going to put people on medications that impact their fertility as well, we are really lopping off these very, very valuable legs on this stool that kind of keeps us mentally well. And listen, I'm. I won't say I'm an expert on the behavioral outcomes data for post, pre and post transitioning, but from the people that I do listen to who do follow that, it's not great. This isn't leading to better mental health. This isn't leading to reduced suicide. And I think that should be cause for concern and really make people left and right look at this and just say, is this really helping people, their outcomes? Because a lot of threats are thrown around if you don't cheerlead people onto the medications, if you don't, you don't support them through their transition. You know, would you rather have a, you know, you know, a dead child or a transgender child is the argument from the people I trust who look at this. They're saying that there's no improvement in the mental health for many of them. And it doesn't surprise me. I mean, you could have regret. You're also taking medications which do not work great in the long term, hormonal medications, which can be very disrupting to your mood. It's just filled with landmines. There's so many landmines there that could. That can lead to worse mental health outcomes. And I think cheering this on because of your political position, that's not compassion. I think that's something else.
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I think that's the critical point here is that it's not compassion. It's very hard for the people who have been through this and feel that they've been damaged by medications. And I'm talking about more than transgender. Because like I said when we started this, the number of people that have reached out to me and said, my life is. I've lost my life. One person described it as living dead feeling like you are the living dead because not only do you have the sexual dysfunction and no ability to be aroused or no ability to. One person said, I have an orgasm and I have no physical or emotional reaction to it anymore. And I'm just devastated by it. And I can't imagine this. Another person described it as, it's not even just that I don't have a reaction to my sexual intimacy with my spouse. I don't have any reactions. I have a total numbness. So I'll just end by asking you, what is the answer to getting the medical community to step up and say, this is a last resort. We want to be. And not only is medication like this a last resort, but we will also heavily monitor anyone who goes on it. Because I think you have that first six weeks to say as we see those changes, if they are significant, this isn't right for you.
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Yeah. You know, as someone that's been sort of in this fight since 2017, you know, I've seen a lot of things and ultimately the way I start to look at this problem is it's who has the bigger microphone right now. For the longest time, the pharmaceutical industry, the American Psychiatric association, the groups who had an agenda to position these drugs as much safer than they are and the problem as being something requiring drugs. They have been controlling the narrative. They've had the war chat. We have a very unique moment right now with Bobby Kennedy at the head of hhs. He's installing people who are going to be able to change things. I think we need government behind this, really. I think we need sober eyes with authority behind this to put out messages which cannot be refuted by the propaganda coming out of these other groups. I think we need to new leadership at the National Institute of Mental Health. Up until now, they have just been obsessed with finding biological markers for drugs when they really ought to be obsessed with looking at non drug approaches to mental health. We've never had a study that's looked at things like nutritional interventions, relationship coaching, work coaching, these things that are really intuitive that everyone's grandma would agree with. We've never had a head to head study where they've looked at that again against standard of care, SSRIs over time where they actually measure outcomes that people care about. Most people don't want to be just like numbed out. They want to have better relationships. They want to have work that they find satisfying. They want to feel healthy. And so it's so big, but we're heading in the right direction now. And so, I mean, get out. I'd say vote, you know, support your congresspeople and your senators who care about this issue and support Bobby because he's taking the reins right now and he's trying to change things. And I'm really happy to be involved in that movement.
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Yeah. When I hear from you, as I listen to this is a potential answer to so many of the questions we have. Why are our kids so sad? Why are marriages breaking up? Why is violence increasing all these things? So many of them could be connected to how we treat our bodies. And I always tell my girls, you get one, you only get one. You have to take care of it. Make sure you're taking care of your teeth, make sure you're taking care of your body. You don't get to go back. You don't get a do over. It's not like in a video game where you get another life. You know, you have to be able to take care of what you have. And we just don't talk about that enough. But you are talking about it. We so appreciate the fact that you are talking about it. Tell people where they can follow you. Because I do think that you're putting out great content every day.
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Sure. Yeah. So our biggest channel is YouTube and so it's Dr. Joseph, but it's spelled in the German way, so instead of a ph at the end, it's an F. We're on all social media channels. If you're someone who's interested in coming off medications, you potentially like to consider working with me. My team is at the Tapir is@tapaclinic.com we work in the 14 largest US states. If you're an international listener or you're, you're, you're listening in a different state. If you go to the contact us section on my website, there are links to directories for a whole range of different doctors that do psychiatric deprescribing. They're really passionate about finding other ways to deal with mental health apart from just medications. Check them out there. And, and yeah, that, that's, that's, that's where you can find me and where you can go for help.
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I think that's a critical conversation to have because people are looking for where. I've never heard of a place like this before. We, I mean, I know there's, we've had people in Our family that have been like, how do I. I don't know how to get off. I can't get off. That's a common concern. I can't. And another common concern I will say, is that when you try it yourself, I've heard my. My normal is so bad because I. I missed a dose and I immediately felt like I want to kill myself. I'm so sad, and it's hard. It's something to remember for everybody who's out there. That's not your normal.
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Yeah, like a psa, Quickly, before we wrap. Is that many people need to come off these medications over a long time. This might be a year. Sometimes it could be longer. Not everyone has highly elastic brains where they can come off the meds, and in two months, they're fine. In fact, a lot of people, it takes much longer. Don't be dissuaded. Don't think you need to stay on the medication for the rest of your life. Don't let someone tell you, oh, you know, because you couldn't come off in a couple of months, you have a serious chemical imbalance, and you need to stay on it forever. There are ways to gradually lower the medications down safely so your life doesn't fall apart. And if you're interested in that, that's what my whole YouTube channel is about. We give out free information about how to do safe and slow tapers. You could do it with your own doctor. And there is a way off if that's something that you want.
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I smiled when you said the part about don't let someone say to you, if you had trouble getting off, you must need to go back. Because we've experienced that in our lives. And that is incredibly frustrating to me because I do think that there are some medical professionals out there that you're a consistent appointment. If you're on a med, you consistently pay your paycheck, and that's frustrating to me. But I appreciate what you do. I'm so glad you were here. Honestly, I could have talked to you for another hour. So we'll have to have you back. Dr. Joseph Witt during. Make sure people check him out. If you have somebody in this situation, you heard where you can get help. We so appreciate you being on today. Thank you.
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D
I'd love to come back. And thanks so much for having me.
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Absolutely. And thank you all for listening today. Remember, you can go to the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or you can watch the video on Rumble or YouTube uterdixon, but make sure you join us next time and have a blessed day.
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