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The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Exposing the Deep State with General Mike Flynn
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This is an iHeart podcast. Welcome to the Tudor Dixon podcast. I have Lieutenant General Michael Flynn with me. He, as you probably know, is a combat veteran, and he has over 33 years of military experience in the United States Army. But he's also out with a new book because you probably remember he served as the Director of Defense Intelligence under President Obama and was National Security Security Advisor to President Trump, and then everything kind of hit the fan. So now he's telling a story with pardon of innocence, an inspiring story of faith and freedom. Thank you so much for joining me today.
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Absolutely, Tudor, and thanks very much for having me. You know, we. We, first of all, we really appreciate your tenacity and wanting to serve as governor and. No, hope that you don't give that up. You know, I always find people that Abraham Lincoln, he ran, I think, seven races and lost all of them. And then the final race that he ran was President of the United States, of course, changed the course of US History, probably world history, too. So, you know, don't. Don't. You don't have it left in you.
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Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I've actually been counseled that way several times, so that. That may be still in the cards for me. But right now I want to talk about what, you know, about the deep state, because I think that's something. Honestly, I'll tell you, that's something that I worry about. Even in the state of Michigan, there's so much that happens behind the scenes with the. The, I. I guess, for lack of a better term, the bureaucracy in the state of Michigan. But you got to see it on the national and international scale with the Russian dossier and all of that. So kind of break down for us, remind our viewers what happened and what you ended up exposing because of that.
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Yeah. So there's so much to unpackage here. One of the things that I would, I would. First of all, the book is very timely partnered in a sense, the book is very timely because of this latest revelation from the CIA that was a. Basically an analytic judgment that came out of the CIA recently, in the last couple of days, that actually, there's things I list, you know, say in the book that are actually stated almost verbatim in this CIA analytic judgment that John Radcliffe released. And one of the things that we have learned. And I fought tooth and nail during my. During my case, which was eventually dismissed by the Department of Justice, which most people think that I was convicted, and I served prison time, and none of this, none of that happened. That just shows you the strength of the propaganda machine that the mainstream media has. But what, what we.
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Now, I remember the free General Flynn memes and everything because, and so, yeah, we did, we did think that because.
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The media, the media had an effect, you know, alternate media like yourself and many, many others now didn't exist in the 2016 and 2017 timeframe the way they exist now. So what we have learned is that the CIA under the, under the likes of John Brennan, the FBI under the, the likes of Jim Comey, they basically. And then of course, Jim Clapper, who was the Director of National Intelligence, they all lied about an, about an analysis that was done, and they did it for political purposes in order to destroy President Donald J. Trump and to undermine the presidency of the United States of America. So those are not like, subtle things that I just said. Those are not, you know, normal things that you would hear when we talk about political hit jobs. So the, the narrative assassination against President Trump was very real and it is still ongoing. The. I said the other day to. Because this has to do with the way this, you know, I, I lay this out in the book. I take people through sort of one, and my background, particularly my family, and the fact that they took on. Because when they took me on, they took on my family as well. And I come from a family of nine brothers and sisters. So, so we, we decided at a certain point in time we're, you know, enough is enough and we're done with, with, you know, you know, allowing them to defeat us. And we said we're going to fight back. And so we did. And I brought in a great lawyer by the name of Sidney Powell, you might know, or your audience might have heard of. She's terrific. And she came in and, and between her and I, a couple of other people, you know, not this big law firm that I had prior, who actually that law firm was working with Mueller investigation to undermine my case. That's the other part that we also exposed in the book and we also exposed that in a documentary that I did.
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So I think it's important to point out that you had worked for the Obama administration and they, so they knew everything they needed to know about you, and then they turned on you and used you as a way to destroy Trump. It was like you were just disposable.
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Yeah, well, I. So people need to be reminded that I was a Democrat. I didn't really care about politics the whole time I was in the military. I never voted for president states because I also looked at the president. And no matter who it Was was going to be my Commander in Chief. And I didn't want to say I voted for that guy or voted for that person. You know, I just wasn't like that. So, so I was a Democrat. Trump actually considered having me as his running mate in June actually for a couple months. But in June of 202016 was myself, Newt Gingrich, Chris Christie and Mike Pence who were the final four for Vice President United States. And, and Trump called me up, you know, a couple of nights to two nights before he went out to see Mike Pence and he said hey, I'm not going to take you as my vp. He goes on Another, another time maybe I would have run as a Democrat. But it's not just, it's not going to work now. And, and I tell that story in the book pretty, in pretty good detail the conversation that we had. And, and it was fun. It was a, fun, that's a fun part of the, of the, of the time times that I spent with Donald Trump. And then you know, then I, but I, but I was, I stayed with him the whole time. And when I went into the White House as his National Security Advisor, I was a Democrat. So the Democratic machine looked at me as someone who turned against them. You know, I not only was a general and we were in the midst of wars, right. So I would have, I would have been a, you know my time as National Security Advisor was, was cut short. But you know there's backgrounds of National Security advisors over the history of that position going back to Henry Kissinger. There are probably maybe one other that has my background and you know, having run one of the largest intel agencies in the world, having served the highest levels of our government, having served at, as an Assistant Director of National Intelligence. So I mean I had a pretty extensive background, a lot of combat experience, five years of combat experience. So I lay all that out in the book. And I was also against the Obama administrations narrative of the defeating of Al Qaeda which was a big deal. And also another part that I was against while I was, while I was a general, while I was ahead of the Defense Intelligence Agency, I was against the, the Iranian nuclear, the, you know, what was called jcpoa, right. The, the Iranian nuclear deal that Obama won. I was one of the lone voices in the, of leadership saying no, this is bad idea.
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Do you think that going against that had an effect on the way he treated you? Because it does seem like there is this intense aversion to going after Iran by this Democrat Party, this New Democrat Party. You've talked about being a Kennedy Democrat. This is not the Kennedy Democrats.
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Yeah, this is not a Kennedy Democrats. They hated Kennedy so much that they killed him. And, and we now know that, that.
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The CIA, they hate his, his nephew as well.
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Yeah. And you know, RFK and Bobby, Bobby Kendi now are on hhs. So. Yeah, no, the, the, the CIA is a completely out of control organization. And I have said that, you know, I mean, John Radcliffe needs to do massive, massive reform at the CIA because that's kind of like what your audience always asks for and all audiences do. And I know that because I talked to many people around this country and have been for years now. People want to know what's next, what do we do? And I think Donald J. Trump as the President of the United States, 47th President of the United States, has a massive opportunity to have severe reform, particularly within the United States intelligence community. Not just to eliminate the office of the DNI where Tulsi Gabbard is, and I'm a big fan of Tulsi, but also to reform. And I mean reform like not just move some lines and blocks around on a chart, but I mean raise, raise R A Z E studies, agencies and activities and maybe even department or two and eliminate them. You know, do we get rid of the CIA completely? CIA was always the organization that was supposedly an analytic organization. Meaning, Meaning to do good analysis on the intelligence that was collected around the world. Not an operational arm to subvert countries and to subvert our own country, which is what they have, have done. And let me throw in usaid because I put something out for people that want to follow me on X. I put something out this morning from a Breitbart News article about USAID for the last 10 years. USAID is an arm of the CIA, always has been. We can't kill ourselves anymore. So the USAID has been working with the Wuhan labs in China for 10 years, providing them viruses. And where do those viruses come from? They come from labs inside of the United States of America. In some cases from colleges and universities, other cases from labs that the US Government owns. DIA just so happened to have one of those labs, and that's up at a place called Fort sek, Maryland. So these are things, a lot of these things are, are things that I'm familiar with. So a long time ago somebody said Flynn knows where the bodies are buried. That's exactly right. And that's a metaphor for knowing what is, is good and what is bad within the US intelligence system. And so, you know, where am I Today's people go, why aren't you in the, in the, in the, in the administration? Well, you know, I'm actually up in New York City right now to do a couple of things. But, but I, you know, we're working on corruption activities and, and helping on some of the investigative components that the, that the government is involved in. You know, and it's, and it's. Sometimes it's better to be working from the outside in, because when you're inside, you're sort of stuck in the narrative of the, of whatever the White House is doing. Right? You, you know, and so it's. So that's kind of where I'm at now, you know, back to, back to, I think, for you, for you and for your audience. Because I think where we're at right now, and I know that people believe this, I mean, but they just don't totally understand it. We're in the middle of a Marxist revolution in the United States of America, and it really started with Barack Obama. You see it up in Michigan. I mean. Oh, my God. I mean, what you're. Yes, absolutely. It's.
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But you're seeing it in New York, where you are right now.
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It's unbelievable. And, you know, I've got. I know a lot of people here, and I've been up here a lot of times, and I know a lot of the doormen. You always get to know the Norman. And I know a lot of them. And they, they, you know, and also know a lot of the police officers up here, a lot of them. I just attended the, you know, the funeral of my great friend Bernie Carrick, who was the commissioner of New York during 9, 11. I was up here, you know, only a couple of weeks back for that, you know, tragic, sadly. But, you know, everybody. I mean, like, one guy, one of the guys told me yesterday he's a relatively young guy, truth. Probably 10 years younger than I. He says, yeah, I'm leaving because I'm leaving this. The. The city. I'm leaving the state. He goes, things are so bad right now. And he said that they are really afraid of this guy winning in, in New York City. And. But he said, right. But even right now, it's. It's bad. So we're in the middle of this revolution, and it's. And it's very real. It's not a conspiracy theory. It's real.
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But how. I want to ask you about this, because I do think that people hear this and they're afraid. They don't know how to fight back. You brought Up Marxism. And I've talked about this. If you look at Mamdani's background and you look at how Marx got involved in this, it's, it's similar. Marx was a middle upper class. He lived off of his parents money. He was able to be a perpetual scholar. The only difference between the two is that Mark's father didn't approve of his teachings and his writings, whereas Mamdani's parents are all in, they brought him here, I believe, to do this. And his rhetoric is as, as many millions people of people were killed because of Karl Marx, his rhetoric already is way worse than what, how Marx started out.
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Yeah, it's, you know, it's Marx. And then of course you have the rise of Lenin, the rise of Stalin, the rise of Trotsky. Trotsky, you know, standing in right now, started the Communist Party of America back in the, in the late, you know, like between 1819, 19, 1920 time frame. And here we are a little over 100 years later. And the, the infiltration of what I call fellow travelers of the Marxist ideology are in spades. In our Congress, in our institutions of government, certainly the executive branch, they're all over the judiciary. I mean, look what we're seeing. The real tragedy of the judiciary standing against constitutional issues where it has to, you know, everything's got to go to the Supreme Court. And the Supreme Court, you know, generally turns over everything back to the Constitution. But they do it because they're delaying. They're trying to delay this President's ability to execute his agenda. You know, and so this Marxist infiltration by, principally by the Chinese, the Chinese have been at this for a long time, for 20, 25 years. And, and my concern now is that it looks like Prime Minister Xi is on the rocks. And I think that, my guess is that he's on the rocks because the Politburo, this means a lot to the, to your audience. It means a lot. What I'm about to tell you to our country. If they get rid of Xi, my, my thinking is that there is an element within China that wants to be far more aggressive and they think that they have the upper hand right now against the United States of America, despite all of the tariffs. Right. I mean, China has so many, their military is huge. They're, they're space based platforms, their hypersonic weapon systems, their, their scale of their forces, of their military itself. Where our military right now is really not ready. We just, you know, we're coming off of two decades plus of fighting, you know, guys in shower shoes and Bathroom. Fighting terrorists on the, in this, in the sands of Iraq and, and Afghanistan and elsewhere around the world. We're not, we're not postured nor are we ready to fight a big conventional war. And that's why I want Trump. I don't want Trump to send more weapons to Ukraine. I don't want him to send more, to send more, you know, stuff to the Middle East. I want them to shut these wars down. We have got to get out of that war in Europe.
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So what is your opinion of what happened in Iran?
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Yeah, well, I do think, I do think that Trump absolutely set those separate Iranians nuclear weapons program back decades. No doubt about it. I'm very familiar with those targets. I studied those targets quite a bit while they were being constructed for many years. I mean I was one of my other duties was the senior intelligence officer for U.S. central Command and Iran was our principal adversary when I was there. So we watched the construction of all the nuclear facilities all the way to the, to the base of that, of those mountains. So the places where they built them through the kinds of stuff brought in the materials, the engineering. So I know exactly what it takes. So doesn't so did Trump when he decided to come. You know, as many of those, you know, we call the big, the big bomb.
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Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on the Tudor Dixon podcast. Let me ask you, you were in intelligence. You just said you saw it, you were watching it years ago being built at that time you had to have known that this was not for civilian measures, this was not for power, this was not normal nuclear activities. This was for weapons.
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Absolutely. And Barack Obama actually said it. Barack Obama actually put them on a path to have a nuclear bomb. Barack Obama, President of the United States of America, who is one of the most anti American, most corrupt, probably the, the single most corrupt president we've ever had in our history. And that man is still around, he's still hanging around, you know, Washington D.C. undermining President Trump. Again, the one, the more other point, you know, and, and it's, you know, for, again for people that will listen to this because this will get a lot of, of listenership. The, the deep state that existed while Trump was the 45th president was a stay behind force that Barack Obama put in place. But then, then he went through four years of hell with Russiagate. Okay. So that, that deep state never was, was removed. Then you had the fake election in 2020 and you had Uncle Joe as the president for another four years. Well, what they did was they cemented in far more abusive and subversive elements of the deep state into the executive branch of the government. Actually, they made it bigger. And so Trump is now facing a, a much larger deep state apparatus and a much more aggressive deep state apparatus inside of the executive branch of the government, never mind other parts of the, the country's institutions. Right. Education and such. Corporate world. But so it's, it's not better this time. It's much worse. And Trump has a bigger challenge because we are, our debt is far, it's vastly worse than it was the last administration allowed 20 million illegals into our country. I mean, so the, so the problems are much more, they're monumental problems. And so Trump, you know, he got his bill right, which is good. You know, I don't agree with everything in it, but he got it. So now we can kind of move certain things forward. But now what Trump is going to have to do, he needs to go on a tear against the deep state, against the government, the unelected bureaucrats, particularly in the US Intelligence community, specifically in the Central Intelligence Agency, because that's really where the heart of the, of the deep state exists.
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Do you think that's what will, do you think that's what we'll see with this new, I mean, they've just come out and said that the FBI, FBI is launching a criminal investigation into John Brennan, who was the CIA director, and James Comey, who was the FBI director. Does, do those investigations allow them to kind of dig deeply into those two agencies and start doing what you're talking about it?
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They have to. They have to. And so the fact that they opened up this investigation, now we know about it. I, you know, there's a, there's a Joe Rogan interview that Cash Pathell did about a month or so ago, not too long ago, and he kind of indicated that he, he, he sort of implied that there might, might be something going on. So they probably have enough evidence. And there's a, there's a great article out today or yesterday and it really dives in deeply, a well done investigative journalism in this article, but dives deeply into the lies by Jim Comey, by John Brennan and frankly by Jim Clapper to Congress. I mean, there's a flat out lies under oath committing perjury. So there may be, what we may not see is maybe the House Judiciary sent over, you know, contempt or, or basically perjury charges over to the Department of Justice under the last administration. And now that he, now, now that we have sort of the A team in place, they're taking that and they're looking at that to review it and conduct the investigation. As I've all said, the first guy they ought to, they ought to bring is Jim Clapper. Clapper knows he, he did. He lied. He knows he lied and he knows this whole, you know, the whole. And I have it, you know, I have this document right here. This is the report, the CIA report that came out with me. And they know that they lied about this. And I would bring Jim Clapper in for questioning now because I think Jim Clapper, if he felt pressure, he would, he would give the goods up on these guys. He does not want to go to prison for the rest of his life.
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Well, James Comey, I mean, he briefed Trump on the Steele dossier. From your perspective, perspective and the knowledge that you have and you've gone through the investigation and you were actually offered a pardon earlier and you said, no, I want the truth to come out. So you, you had more documents come out. And it turns out they had this meeting, they call Trump in, they present the Steele dossier, knowing it's not true, knowing that Hillary Clinton is the one with the Russia advantage. How does James Comey, how does everybody in that room get away with this? And I, I know that the President is protected over from executive protection, but everybody else, how did they get away with this? I mean, even Hillary Clinton, she was involved.
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That's the city four thousand dollar question that the American people, I mean, 100% want to happen. They're left, right, indifferent. You know, people in this country know that we got, we have to have one rule of law for, you know, that's fair for all. And so they should not be able to get away with this. And I think that that's why what we're seeing is this new investigation that had now been, you know, publicly stated, you know, these guys all like about the briefing that Comey gave to Trump that was actually done. And I talk about this in the book in detail. That was done on the 6th of January of 2017. Well, the day before, on the 5th. And I actually set that entire briefing up and I can go through all the people that were there, but you know, for time, I won't. But on the 5th of January in the Oval Office with Barack Obama, with same group, people showed up to brief Trump the next day in New York City. They conspired during that meeting. I talk about this in the book as well. They conspired during that meeting to basically, number one, get yours truly, okay, get Flynn out of the way and then, then we can get Trump because if Flynn is not out of the way, if Flynn is not taken out. Okay. Of the NASCARY advisor position, then there would have never been a Mueller investigation, period. Okay? They knew. And I was coming to the, because I was very public about it, I was coming into the national advisor position to reform the US Intelligence community and to conduct some audits as well. I mean, that the, the CIA hasn't been, has been DOGE yet. Other, other intel agencies haven't gone through the DOGE effect, wouldn't they do you know, I want people to know that, that the Ms. Intelligence Community's budget is as much more than the Department of Defense's budget.
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Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on the Tudor Dixon Podcast. It just seems like there was this major attack against Donald Trump the minute, I mean, we're, you're talking about weeks before he gets inaugurated. So they are going to him beforehand and saying, heads up, we're going to get you. I mean, this was not, this was not to share information. This was a warning. We will take you down. Why was this? Why Trump? Why didn't this happen with Bush or, or Bush before that or Reagan? Why?
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Because.
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Why was it so hard?
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Because they're all compromised people. They're all compromised people. I mean, really are. I mean, Trump is not a comp, is not a guy that owes allegiance to anybody. I mean, for 2016, camping daily. And I saw him talking to big donors of the GOP and he'd go, I don't want your money. He goes, I know you're here to check me out because, but I don't need your money for this race. I'm spending my own. He spent over a hundred million dollars of his own money. I mean, this man has, he could have gone out and, you know, played, you know, the Sears hot tournament, right? He's that good and, and, and got a great life, like he's always said. And that's why we have to stand behind Trump because he gave up everything and he's been brutally abused by same here. I mean, I spent, you know, almost 34 years of my life in, in service to this country, those years in direct combat operations overseas where life was at risk. And I could have gotten out and gone and gotten a couple of board jobs and, and had a great life, you know, and, and, you know, worked on my last game of golf. But, you know, I saw what was happening and I clearly saw internal, the interns of the, Of The Obama administration. And you know, I, there's a very famous picture of me, Jim Clapper, John Brennan and Jim Comey testifying to Connors. Very famous by tree, but go look it up on the Internet, those four individuals. And during that testimony, I was the only one that told the truth. And when, and when I told the truth, and this was really about the rise or fall of isis, I was the only one that, that, that did not stick to the narrative, the political narrative that the Obama administration wanted because it was a lie. It was a total lie, fabricated so Obama could look like, you know, he's all that. Right. And when I was asked under oath, because I'm under oath, when I was asked publicly, I said no, I said it's not, they're not. It's a rise, actually. It's all over the, it's all over the world. And, and we're, we're, we're part of fomenting that we, you know, the United States of America, we're part of foaming through that because it, it helps at times, organizations like the CIA undermine other countries and that what we're learning, you know, from 2017 on is learning that CIA has been working to undermine the United States of America. And that is in the light of John Brennan. And John Brennan is not, because he's not the director, you know, wrecked with this. John Brennan is still in charge of the CIA. He's still in charge of big, big blocks of the CIA. That's why the CIA needs to go through a massive, massive reform.
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Well, I absolutely agree. I appreciate what you're doing. I want to just say as we go forward, when we're watching this midterm is going to be challenging. We're going to see if, if the Democrats get control, we're going to see the, the deep state go after him even more. You are continuing to work to fight the deep state. We appreciate that. Tell people what they're going to find when they go, when they, when they read your book, where they can get the book, but what they're going to find to help them to also what do, what they can do on the ground here.
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People can go to Amazon. It's a, it's a, you know, in the top bestsellers right now on Amazon back there. I was told yesterday that they're having a tough time keeping it in stock, which is good. I mean, that's a night, that's an odd, that's a nice thing. You know, you don't make, I, I, I've, you don't make money off of books. It's not about making money. This is about getting church exposed. Then go to Amazon, partner of innocence. Or you can go to generalflinn.com and I have. I'll get you a signed copy. But what I tell people tutor is that I use the phrase local action, national impact. Local action impact. So just like you found in your, in your run for governor, you need to have people at the grassroots level that they're working for you that are going to, you know, get out here and eat a lot of glitch donuts, make a lot of RC was and, and just work hard at the local level to get the right people leaders in our country elected. And we have got to stop letting little hacks who have destroyed this country and that's Republicans and Democrats. So we got to get leaders. We need to be looking for leaders. And so my call to arms, if you will, for this country is for more and more leaders to stand up and say I'm going to run for office. And what, what we're doing, even if you don't have the money or wherewithal or, and you don't win, maybe you don't win, but you run. What we're doing is we're telling those people that are in, in the political establishment that we're watching you and we're not going to let you get away with this anymore. We cannot allow our country to be destroyed from within. Abraham Lincoln warned us. John Jay, one of our regional founders, wrote about it in, in Federalist paper number two and three. Abraham Lincoln warned us when he was 28 years old in a beautiful speech called the Lyceum Speech. People can go look it up where he talked about don't. The way the word is from suicide. It's a, it's an incredible speech.
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And you've said the most dangerous threat is from within.
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Within. So anyway, well, God bless you very much and you keep running, keep fighting.
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Well, thank you so much. We appreciate everything you do and what you just said is so valuable to our listeners. I've said to people, look at the swing states because in the swing states you have the radicals that are able to get a foothold, but you have the opportunity in a swing state to defeat them. So make sure you go to the swing states and you work hard for the candidate that is going to be the best leader you can have. And that's what you're saying. I appreciate where, what you're doing. I know you've been to Michigan. I know you've helped us out here. So, General Flynn, thank you so much for coming on the podcast today.
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God love see you.
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