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Today we have the 33rd US Secretary of Agriculture with us. It is Brooke Rollins. Thank you so much, Secretary, for joining me.
Brooke Rollins
TUDOR is so fun to be here. I'm just really honored to be a part of it.
Tudor Dixon
Well, I'm glad you're here. I think a lot of people see the administration from afar, and they don't understand the qualifications that everybody has. And as I learn about your life, growing up on a family farm, going to school on an ag scholarship, everything that has led up to this moment, and just the godliness throughout, like God taking care of you throughout this. I was reading about how you say when you were raising your kids and they were younger, you were called on to step into the first administration. You were like, this is not. I can't do this. And I know that feeling as a mom. But you did. And look at what you are doing now.
Brooke Rollins
Yeah, well, it really is all about God. I mean, I know we're here to talk about agriculture and here to talk about the U.S. department and this president who's transforming and saving America, but at the end of the day, this all goes back to God and meeting your moment and being able to answer the call that God has on your life.
Tudor Dixon
And.
Brooke Rollins
And it's funny, we're studying Exodus in my church right now and how God had called Moses, right, using the burning bush, and he called Moses over and over again, and he said, I'm calling you and I need you to stand up and take my people right, and get them out from the Pharaoh. And every time Moses said, I'm not ready, or this isn't right for me, or I don't have what it takes. And the whole scriptural lesson of Exodus is that when God calls, you answer. And that he will. He will be there beside you on your walk. And as you are being asked to do perhaps things you never expected or things you think are too difficult, that nothing is too big for God, and if he's there with you, then you know it's beyond what you could have ever imagined. And so for me, that's what this is. And in the first administration where I was the president's chief policy lead to your point, I said no multiple times because I had a third grader, a fifth grader, a sixth grader, and an eighth grader. At the time. They're now 9th, 11th, 12th in college, but at the time, they were much younger. And I just kept saying, I can't. I can't leave those kids every day for this sort of a job. I can't do both of Them well enough and the President. And through a lot of prayer and a very supportive husband, we did take that job. The kids did move with me to Washington. We homeschooled them up here. And it ended up being the greatest three years for my kids, for my family. And so when called again for this job unexpectedly, I just, again, I felt such a peace about it. My kids were more excited. I said, oh, I think I need to, to obviously with three high schoolers. And the kids said, no, no, no, mom, we can, you can do it all. We'll pick up any slack. And, and it's been an incredible blessing. I will say it's not easy, but the President's vision was never about easy. Right. It was about what we need to do to meet this moment with God alongside us to save America. And that's what, that's what I think we're doing.
Tudor Dixon
I'm glad you said it's not easy because I think that's what people aren't seeing if you don't have friends within the administration. But for, for folks like me and for you, obviously you're there seeing it and doing it and working it every single day. It is a 19, 20 hour a day job. And everybody I talk to is like, we are not slowing down.
Brooke Rollins
Yeah.
Tudor Dixon
It's funny because Even at the 100 days celebration, I talked to somebody and she was like, I'm kind of hoping that it goes a little slower now that it's been a hundred days. And I looked at her and I go, but, you know, it's not. She was like, no, it's not.
Brooke Rollins
No, I think that's right. But from my perspective, this is the, the incredible joy of this administration. I loved my three years in Trump. One, I was there year two, year three and year four, and I loved those three years. For me, it was the answer to a prayer that God has given us an opportunity to save America again. I mean, when I agreed to come to the White House and that first time, literally everyone said, well, good luck with that. Right. That DC is so broken, it can never be fixed, but go, you know, good luck. And I just felt I had to try. And when we left, even in those dark days of having an election taken from us, the January 6th, and everyone saying that America first was dead, that, you know, all the things we had done was kind of poofed up into the air that no one would ever remember us in a, in a positive way. Which is the reason I started, started America first policy was to counter that and continue the legacy. But Even amongst all of that, the opportunity to now come together to build on the first term that four years of what I call the Great Pause, which allowed us to get really organized and draft executive orders and be prepared. And now that meeting of that moment with friends. You can't slow down. Slowing down is not an option. We've got basically four years now. A little bit less than four. I had lunch today with the administrator of the Small Business Administration, Kelly Leffler, who's part of the Cabinet, and she said, you know, we're about 10% of the way in. 10%, and why some people think that's not much. For me, it makes me panic. I'm like, wait a minute. We've already. We've already driven through 10%. We only have 90% left. We got to go faster. That's how I think about it.
Tudor Dixon
And I think it's also. We're into the first year now, and. And we're getting headed toward the midterms. And there is this attack from the media right now, which it's kind of interesting to watch them in this crisis mode, too, as they're being exposed for the. For lying about Joe Biden and all of that. But we're going into the midterms, and I think it's so important. I mean, I watched what you did with America first policy, and I. And people don't know that side. I think that was something that people didn't get to see, how hard people were working in what you called the pause. But the pause was so another God moment because you needed that to make sure you were ready because of the speed that this administration has to go at in four years. I just love that. I love what you were able to do with America first policy. I love what the team at America First Works was able to do and how that came together for that election. You have been by the president's side no matter what, always supporting him, always a team member. And now you have one of the most important positions in the administration, if not the most important. And I say that because food security. You made a comment and said, if you don't have food security, you're no longer a nation.
Brooke Rollins
Yeah.
Tudor Dixon
That's so key.
Brooke Rollins
If you can't feed yourself and if you're reliant on China or Russia or other countries to feed your people, you there is doesn't matter what else you have. It doesn't matter. You will never be the economic and the freedom engine for the world again. That's what we face as Americans right now. And that's why I know kind of pivoting a little bit into our current administration. What we're doing on trade and tariffs is important. But one thing I want to say, Tudor, I don't know that I've ever said this publicly. To have watched President Trump and been by his side, as you mentioned, to have near daily calls with him at least 21 and 22, when, you know, you were always on the team and there were others, too. And I don't want to put myself up as, you know, the special person in that. But there for a while, there were some dark days and, And a lot of people said we need to move away from President Trump, that he's so divisive that all these things and just said, this is the man that God has chosen for this time. And his boldness and courage is now turning into fearlessness, and that is what it's going to take to save a nation. It's the same fearlessness. I believe that George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, sort of all the great leaders in our movement. And, you know, a lot of people say, oh, well, but he's, you know, don't put him in that category. But I do put him in that category because he was a businessman from New York who left a beautiful life of luxury where everyone loved him, to move into this darkness. And it is dark. You know, this tutor, I mean, it takes some real conviction to bring light into what is a very dark industry, which is. Which is politics, and to always stay focused on the light. And for President Trump, and I just. It breaks my heart to think what he went through personally, as my friend, as my former boss, as my current boss, just watching that, trying to destroy his business, trying to destroy his family, trying to assassinate him and coming within 1 millimeter of doing so. Try facing a thousand years in prison. Who can survive that? He can. Because I think he's called for this moment. He's so strong. But when you look at all of that and what he personally went through, the sacrifice, but what it allowed to. Your point was that four years of preparation and organization and bringing the true team together and being ready again to meet this moment. So that's how I see it in a historical context. I've always said that 500 years from now, they're going to be writing about this time in American history in a way that we can't even foresee, but in a way that I believe is written about the Civil War. I mean, we're at the same sort of an inflection point in American history that we were in the 1860s, certainly in the 1770s, as we were preparing for revolution, independence. That's where we are today. And it's not some radical notion of, you know, we all need to bear arms and go fight the bad guys or the tyrant. It's about fighting for freedom in today's historical context, and that's what we are doing. So, yeah, now we pivot to what that looks like in terms of governing and being a part of that is the greatest honor. I'm so proud. But also, working alongside. It's not about any of us. It's not even about Donald Trump. It's about God, and it's about America. And that's the. That's the most righteous battle of all, from my perspective.
Tudor Dixon
You actually gave me chills when you were talking about that, because I think that's the, you know, a side of President Trump that, I mean, certainly better than. Than I know, but even the experiences that I have had with him, it is not about him. Even though a lot of people go, oh, it's about him. I think the moment that even some of the people left a center realized it wasn't about him was when he gets shot in the head and he looks out at the crowd. He didn't look out at the crowd to say, you know, look at me. He said, keep going. It's okay. And that was. You could see in his face, that was concern for the people, not for him. And that was even when I would go and sit with you guys and attend your meetings, I remember one where you walked in and you said, we have a special guest on the phone. But that, to me, people say he's accessible. And it's not that he's just accessible. It's that he wants you to know he cares about you.
Brooke Rollins
Yeah, that's true. And, you know, you think about the wherewithal that day he was shot, July 13th in Butler, Pennsylvania. And at that moment, it was within a half of a second he said, stand aside. Let me tell the people to never give up and to keep fighting for this country. And, you know, in those moments, he didn't know. He could have had a bullet lodged in his brain. Right. He could have been breathing his last breaths. He didn't know. And it's the shock of that, that it really, the true measure of a man, of a woman, of a soldier, of a warrior, isn't necessarily preparing for battle or whatever that looks like, but it is in the heat of the moment that's, I think, when the true measure of A person is tested. And for those that maybe didn't believe in him before, didn't believe in his strength or, or his character, that I think answered so many questions and inspired millions of people. And again, for him to stand up, but then for him to continue to campaign and then to win all the swing states, including yours, Tudor, which I know you had a huge part in, to win the popular vote, to then take that as a mandate and to be, again, so fearless in the face of so much adversity is just. It's the story of a thousand years that we're going to be. This country is going to be talking about for many, many, many, many hundred after you and I are gone.
Tudor Dixon
I believe it. I believe that this is a legacy that is lasting for as long as this earth is around. People are going to be talking about what happened in this. I mean, just like we talk about Lincoln, just like we talk about Reagan, there are people who make a mark that. That is bigger than life itself. And that, I believe, is what is going on here. And, and I think that the interesting part about this administration, it's different than the last one. You brought that up. But he has very carefully chosen the right people for the right moment, for the right positions. And that, I believe, is you in this position because you understand ag in a way that, that other people couldn't possibly. But also, you know, just my own experience of going through the state of Michigan, the farmers are under attack. They feel like the taxes are too high, the, the fertilizer is too expensive. They are struggling with whether or not they keep their family farm or they sell it to a solar farm and we lose the farm altogether. And that to me, we also have the Chinese coming into the United States and buying farmland. There is so much that is going on in agriculture right now, and you are the one standing there saying, I'm going to protect it, I'm going to lower costs and going to the UK getting them to buy more of our products. I mean, there's so. It's so much right now. And I'm so impressed with what you've been able to do. I just want you to know that.
Brooke Rollins
Thank you. Well, I really appreciate that. And you know, it's funny, this job was not on my bingo card. I was not, not planning or asking to be the Secretary of Agriculture. But the President saw something, and he did in the first term, too. I started running the Office of American Innovation, and then I got a little more responsibility. A little more responsibility. And then was basically told that I was going to take over the Domestic Policy Council. And I said, oh, I don't know if that's going to work. I've got all these kids. And he said, brooke, I believe in you and I think you can do it. And something very similar on this job. But now I see that God's plan and Donald Trump's plan, even though it was different than my own, is exactly where I'm supposed to be. And I just, I feel so strongly and I'm so proud and inspired by our farmers and our ranchers. And to your point, Tudor, that you so eloquently made, that this is the moment that we have to choose in this country whether we go forward into, you know, a thousand years of prosperity or whether we go back into, you know, socialism, government tyranny, the elitist deciding for us what's best for ourselves. And obviously, President Trump has stepped into that gap, but now with his vision, we've got to effectuate that. And from the agriculture perspective, like you said, and I've said, if we can't feed ourselves as a nation and if our family farms keep going out of business and if they keep getting sold to the Chinese and if we keep having this sort of international conglomeration where not just the Chinese but other foreign countries are buying up our farms and putting them under one big corporate banner, we will not survive as a nation. And it may not be next year, and it may not be in 10 years, but it will happen. The very backbone and fabric of America is so woven into our agriculture and rural communities. And I know you see that in Michigan, a state that is really focused on specialty crops. So you don't have a lot of the big huge farms there, but you've got a lot of family farms in Michigan where we have to ensure that those second, third, fourth, fifth and sixth, seventh generation farms can move on to the next generation and thrive and prosper in a way that maybe they haven't in this lifetime. But we also have to make sure that we're opening up the market for new farmers, for those who maybe didn't grow up in farming but want a life of dignity and righteous work that you can get in working the land in a way that maybe again, tutor in our lifetimes we've never really seen before. So pivoting the focus, when I was in Nebraska yesterday, we'd been building this rural prosperity and small family farm plan we announced yesterday where we're really focused on that, that farm that is multi generational, but that isn't, you know, part of the Big, huge conglomeration that we've got to keep them strong and we've got to make sure they can make a living and support their family while again at the same time opening up the markets for new farmers. So I think that's, hopefully I walk out of here in four years. I met Paige yesterday. She was, I think four years old. Her dad, her granddad and her great granddad were all there and they're all on the same piece of land that her great, great, great granddad bought and farmed, you know, 100 years ago. And that's where we did our farmer roundtable yesterday in Nebraska. That's where I launched the initiative. But in all of usda, all of government approach on what we need to do and it's multi layered with lots of different pieces, but what we need to do to stay extremely focused on that size of our farms and making sure they can, they can move forward.
Tudor Dixon
You know, I just had a conversation with a manufacturer this morning and this really, this conversation reminds me of that because he's a part of a big group of manufacturers and he said, and I used to be a part of that group when my family owned a foundry. And I said something about, oh, I remember when he and I had gone on a trip together. And he said, you know, the association doesn't do those trips anymore because it used to be that the foundries were all owned by families, but now it's big corporations that have come in and they don't want their presidents and CEOs to leave on these trips. So they've stopped doing that. And I thought, oh my gosh, no, how terrible that the family foundry, the family farm, a very similar situation. And that was how it was. You know, it was families that worked there for generations, they're going by the wayside and that's where you step in. That's where you step in and protect and, and that's what Donald Trump understands in a way other presidents haven't even thought of. They maybe cared.
Brooke Rollins
Yeah, no, it's, it's true. And the, you know, it's interesting to think that the, the billionaire real estate mogul from New York City, and I don't want to get in front of him, but I would guess that maybe he hadn't spent much time on a cattle farm, right. Or cattle ranch or walked through row crops before he became president, but that he would be the one that would, more than any other president in our lifetime, would understand deep in his soul that unless we fight for, we effectuate policies for, we Honor our ag community and our rural communities. We will lose our country. And the fact that it's Donald Trump and, you know, and the choices that he's made to surround himself with certain cabinet members, I just. I see God at work in all of it. I see God's hand on all of it. I see God's hand on President Trump. I see it on our Cabinet. You can feel it. I was just over at the White House before I came to tape with you. You can just feel the spirit moving over there. And it is. It's just. It's such a joy to be a part of it.
Tudor Dixon
That's what I think is the most beautiful part about your position, because you came in here and you said, this isn't what I was expecting. But do you notice that there have been, certainly there have been attacks against the administration and all of this choice and that choice, I've heard nobod coming after you. I think that people have looked at who you are, what your history is, and they see you out there working, and it really is. I do believe that there have been so many people praying for this administration that there are people that were chosen that are beyond his choice. Like you said, this is God saying, these are where these people need to be placed. And you didn't even know that.
Brooke Rollins
Yeah, it's so true. And it's funny. I. In the last administration, I hosted a Bible study and in the Great Pause, hosted a Bible study. Now we're doing a cabinet Bible study here at USDA every Wednesday morning at 7am and you can feel it. But when people ask, what can we do? You know, you're in the fire. Every day for eight, nine straight years, I've said, just pray for us. Just pray for wisdom and protection and guidance in what we're doing. These are really important times. And we won't be perfect. We will certainly be imperfect. But I just believe with that foundation of prayer and the biblical foundation behind everything we're doing, and Tudor, you know, you were part of the AFPI AFW family and still are, that we have always based everything in scripture, always. And every policy, every decision, what we've done, we're not a religious based organization, we're a policy based organization. But all of it is founded in the Word. And I just think that's made a difference. I have no doubt the attacks will come. If they haven't yet, they're coming. I just, you know, putting on my armor of light, which is a signature reference. I just think about that every day. Today I'm going to put on my armor of light and I'm going to do my very best and I'm going to keep fighting for America. I'm going to hopefully effectuate President Trump's vision. And when it's time for me to go home and raise more cattle and start barrel racing again, I'll be so excited for that day. But until that day, this is where I'm supposed to be. And there's no better place, no place I'd rather be than here.
Tudor Dixon
Year I love it. And we didn't get into egg prices or anything else, but I know that that's all going down. This, I think, was a lot better because the insight that you just gave us was so amazing and so glad you were here. Secretary Brooke Rollins, thank you so much for being on the podcast.
Brooke Rollins
Tudor, what a joy. Thank you is my honor. We'll see you soon.
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Sounds good. And thank you all for joining us on this podcast. For this one and others, go to tutordixonpodcast.com the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and join us next time. Have a blessed day.
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Summary of "The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Faith and Leadership with Secretary Brooke Rollins"
Release Date: May 23, 2025
In this compelling episode of The Tudor Dixon Podcast, host Tudor Dixon engages in an in-depth conversation with Brooke Rollins, the 33rd U.S. Secretary of Agriculture. The discussion delves into Secretary Rollins' journey from her roots on a family farm to her pivotal role in shaping agricultural policy under the current administration. Combining themes of faith, leadership, and national prosperity, the episode offers listeners a rich tapestry of insights into both personal and professional realms.
Tudor Dixon opens the episode by highlighting Secretary Rollins' unique qualifications, emphasizing her upbringing on a family farm and her academic pursuits through an agricultural scholarship. This foundation laid the groundwork for her eventual ascension to one of the most influential positions in the administration.
Notable Quote:
Tudor Dixon: "I was reading about how you say when you were raising your kids and they were younger, you were called on to step into the first administration. You were like, this is not... I can't do this. And I know that feeling as a mom. But you did. And look at what you are doing now."
(Timestamp: 02:59)
A significant portion of the conversation centers around the role of faith in Secretary Rollins' life and leadership style. She draws parallels between her faith-based decisions and biblical stories, particularly referencing Moses from Exodus to illustrate her commitment to answering higher calls despite personal reservations.
Notable Quotes:
Brooke Rollins: "It really is all about God... When God calls, you answer."
(Timestamp: 03:39)
Brooke Rollins: "The whole scriptural lesson of Exodus is that when God calls, you answer. And that he will be there beside you on your walk."
(Timestamp: 04:00)
Secretary Rollins candidly discusses the challenges of balancing her responsibilities in the administration with her role as a mother. She shares heartfelt anecdotes about homeschooling her children during her initial tenure in the first administration, highlighting the support system that enabled her to fulfill both roles effectively.
Notable Quote:
Brooke Rollins: "We homeschooled them up here. And it ended up being the greatest three years for my kids, for my family."
(Timestamp: 04:00)
Dixon and Rollins explore the administration's overarching vision to "save America," emphasizing that this mission is driven by faith and a commitment to national prosperity rather than ease. They discuss the strategic "Great Pause" — a period of organization and preparation that positions the administration to execute its agenda efficiently.
Notable Quotes:
Brooke Rollins: "The President's vision was never about easy. Right. It was about what we need to do to meet this moment with God alongside us to save America."
(Timestamp: 05:57)
Brooke Rollins: "We've got basically four years now. A little bit less than four. I had lunch today with the administrator... said, 'we're only 10% through, but we've already driven through 10%, we have 90% left.' We got to go faster."
(Timestamp: 07:11)
A critical segment of the discussion focuses on food security as the bedrock of national security and economic independence. Secretary Rollins underscores the importance of reducing reliance on foreign nations like China and Russia for food supplies, advocating for policies that support domestic agriculture and protect family farms from being overtaken by large conglomerates.
Notable Quotes:
Tudor Dixon: "If you don't have food security, you're no longer a nation."
(Timestamp: 09:27)
Brooke Rollins: "If you can't feed yourself and if you're reliant on China or Russia or other countries to feed your people, there is nothing else that matters."
(Timestamp: 09:28)
Rollins passionately discusses initiatives aimed at preserving multi-generational family farms, ensuring they remain viable for future generations. She also highlights efforts to attract new farmers, including those without traditional farming backgrounds, to sustain and invigorate the agricultural sector.
Notable Quotes:
Brooke Rollins: "We have to make sure they can make a living and support their family while... opening up the markets for new farmers."
(Timestamp: 16:35)
Brooke Rollins: "This is where we're focusing — ensuring that second, third, fourth-generation farms can thrive and supporting new entrants into farming."
(Timestamp: 20:13)
The conversation places the current agricultural policies within a broader historical framework, comparing the administration's efforts to pivotal moments in American history like the Civil War and the fight for independence. Rollins articulates a vision of legacy, asserting that the actions taken today will be remembered and studied for centuries to come.
Notable Quotes:
Brooke Rollins: "We are at the same sort of an inflection point in American history that we were in the 1860s."
(Timestamp: 15:14)
Brooke Rollins: "This is the greatest righteous battle of all, from my perspective."
(Timestamp: 21:11)
Throughout the episode, Rollins emphasizes the integration of prayer and spirituality in her daily work and decision-making processes. She recounts establishing Bible studies within the USDA and the cabinet, reinforcing the administration's commitment to a faith-based approach in governance.
Notable Quotes:
Brooke Rollins: "We have always based everything in scripture, always."
(Timestamp: 22:17)
Brooke Rollins: "Today I'm going to put on my armor of light and I'm going to do my very best and I'm going to keep fighting for America."
(Timestamp: 24:26)
As the conversation draws to a close, both Dixon and Rollins reflect on the challenges ahead, particularly the upcoming midterm elections and the ongoing efforts to sustain agricultural prosperity. Rollins expresses unwavering commitment to her role, driven by faith and a deep sense of duty to America.
Notable Quotes:
World Highlights: "It's about fighting for freedom in today's historical context, and that's what we are doing."
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Brooke Rollins: "There is no better place, no place I'd rather be than here."
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Faith and Leadership: Secretary Rollins attributes her leadership style and decision-making processes to her strong faith, drawing inspiration from biblical narratives.
Agricultural Policy: Emphasis on food security, preservation of family farms, and support for new farmers are central to the administration's agricultural agenda.
National Prosperity: Reducing reliance on foreign nations for food and agricultural products is viewed as essential for maintaining America's economic and political independence.
Legacy and Historical Significance: The current administration's actions are positioned within a larger historical narrative, with the potential to leave a lasting legacy akin to foundational moments in American history.
Personal Commitment: Rollins showcases a deep personal commitment to her role, balancing family responsibilities with public service, and remains steadfast despite inevitable challenges.
Conclusion
This episode offers a profound exploration of how faith intertwines with leadership and policy-making in the realm of U.S. agriculture. Brooke Rollins provides a candid and inspiring account of her journey, the administration's vision, and the critical importance of sustaining America's agricultural heritage. For listeners seeking insights into the intersection of faith, leadership, and national policy, this episode serves as a valuable resource.