The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Inside the Democratic Divide on Crime: Kim Ogg Calls for Common-Sense Reform

Summary

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The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Inside the Democratic Divide on Crime—Kim Ogg Calls for Common-Sense Reform

Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show (Tudor Dixon Podcast feed)
Episode Air Date: November 14, 2025
Guest: Kim Ogg, former District Attorney of Harris County, Texas
Main Theme: Exploring the growing divide within the Democratic Party over crime, public safety, and the push for common-sense criminal justice reform.

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Episode Overview

This episode features a candid discussion between host Tudor Dixon and Kim Ogg, the former district attorney of Harris County, Texas. They dissect the internal conflict within the Democratic Party regarding crime policies, bail reform, and the broader implications for public safety. Ogg gives an insider’s account of political blowback she faced for championing traditional law-and-order policies, and the conversation highlights the impact of ideological extremism on criminal justice.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Democratic Party’s Shift on Public Safety

• Ogg’s Experience: Kim Ogg describes how the Democratic Party has moved away from consensus-driven, "common sense" public safety positions, especially on issues like bail reform.

  • Quote: “The parties moved away from common sense and things that we all used to agree on that weren’t considered partisan, such as crime.” — Kim Ogg [03:48]

• Radicalization & Social Media: Both Dixon and Ogg touch on how a desire for personal fame and influence, amplified by social media, has contributed to the elevation of more extreme voices.

  • Quote: “There is this desire to be personally famous in politics… and I think that’s what’s pulled the Democrats to the socialist side.” — Tudor Dixon [06:19]

• “Social Influencers” vs. Real Leadership: Ogg criticizes politicians who act like influencers rather than solve real problems, tying this to a decline in traditional public safety priorities.

2. Cashless Bail and Crime Surge

• Policy Critique: Ogg squarely blames “bad Democratic policies,” particularly cashless bail, for a significant spike in violent crime in major cities like Houston.

  • Quote: “What we see under bad Democratic policies related to public safety are cashless bail and thousands of murders that just don’t have to happen.” — Kim Ogg [04:32]
  • Quote: “I find that regular people… don’t want to live next to a murderer or a rapist on cashless bail. They think that person should be in jail, held pre trial with a quick trial.” — Kim Ogg [05:45]

• Case Study—Jocelyn Nungare: Kim Ogg references the tragic murder of Jocelyn Nungare, a 12-year-old girl, as a direct result of failures in the current justice policies [07:56–09:54].

3. Politicization and Partisanship in District Attorneys and Judges

• Nonpartisan Intent, Partisan Reality: Ogg argues that roles like the DA were never meant to be partisan, but left-wing activists have politicized them, particularly by injecting race into public safety debates post-George Floyd.

  • Quote: “The law is a simple math problem… It was never intended to be partisan. Yet we’ve seen leftist Democrats throw race into the conversation, which is like gasoline on fire.” — Kim Ogg [10:24]

• Failures and Corrections: Ogg notes that the public’s slow understanding of how judges and prosecutors affect local safety may be turning around, with voters making "corrections" in recent elections and further change expected.

4. Funding, Crime Labs, and Solving Crimes

• Resource Deficits: Dixon points out the shortage of forensic crime labs, which leaves many crimes unsolved not for lack of evidence but for lack of analytical capacity [18:18].
• Ogg’s View: “It’s funding. And that’s where Republicans can really make a difference and make gains at the polls by funding the essentials in government and in law enforcement and our DNA and crime labs are essential.” — Kim Ogg [19:46]

5. Immigration and Criminal Justice

• Illegal Immigration & Crime: Ogg argues that the Democratic stance on open borders is a public safety failure, noting one of Nungare’s accused murderers had a history of violent crime abroad.

  • Quote: “We’re all for legal immigration… But violent folks don’t want to be helped. They need to be separated from our community.” — Kim Ogg [20:56]

• Public’s Changing View: Ogg predicts regular people, regardless of party, will push back on pro-criminal policies and shift votes to Republicans if the current trends continue.

6. Free Speech, Victim Rights, and Political Retaliation

• Censorship Allegations: Ogg describes facing contempt threats for publicly committing to seek the death penalty in a murder case—framing the pushback as a violation of her and victims’ free speech rights.

  • Quote: “It’s no fun to be villainized as the chief law enforcement officer in the fourth biggest jurisdiction in the country for simply doing my job well.” — Kim Ogg [26:10]

• Victims Silenced: Dixon and Ogg express outrage that courts and political actors try to silence victims and their families in the name of political expediency [26:46].

7. Call for Real Leadership Over Celebrity Politics

• Country Over Party: Both host and guest argue for prioritizing "the fundamentals"—public safety, functioning courts, and support for law enforcement—over party loyalty or ideological purity.

  • Quote: “We need to elect people who want to do things, not be someone.” — Kim Ogg [27:19]

• Nonpartisan Solutions: Ogg praises recent Republican candidates for offering more common sense on these issues, and notes her own openness to supporting them despite long Democratic affiliation.

8. The Case Against Ending Cash Bail—A Primer (by listener request)

• Mechanics and Impact: Ogg explains why push for cashless bail is “one of the most bizarre platform positions” and directly links it to increased crime and community danger [33:37].
  • Quote: “It makes sense that if somebody commits a crime… we would want to hold that violent person in custody until [the case] could be heard … The push for cashless bail is a senseless, senseless policy position. I fought against it because I saw the direct impact, which was a huge spike in crime.” — Kim Ogg [33:37]

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Notable Quotes

• “The parties moved away from common sense and things that we all used to agree on… such as crime.” — Kim Ogg [03:48]

• “Criminal justice in the age of DNA and the internet… almost any crime can be solved. What’s weird is that people don’t seem to want to solve them.” — Kim Ogg [08:39]

• "You don't wipe out an entire system because somebody did something wrong or handled a situation inappropriately and someone died. That was terrible. But it doesn't mean you throw out the entire system." — Kim Ogg [11:41]

• "We're not making personal judgments, that's for the higher court... But on earth, we have the laws of man. It's important they're enforced. That gives us an orderly society.” — Kim Ogg [27:19]

• “We need to elect people who want to do things, not be someone. We need real leadership in the country.” — Kim Ogg [27:19]

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Memorable Moments & Timestamps

• [03:06] — Episode kickoff: Framing the issues inside the Democratic Party regarding crime.
• [04:32] — Ogg’s criticism of Democratic socialism and public safety failures.
• [07:56] — The Jocelyn Nungare murder case as a tragic example of policy failures.
• [10:24] — Law enforcement and the injection of race and partisanship into DA offices.
• [18:18] — Funding failures as a key reason for unsolved crimes in major cities.
• [19:46] — Ogg urges Republicans to prioritize crime-fighting infrastructure.
• [20:56] — Candid discussion about immigration, ICE, and violent crime.
• [23:52] — Backlash for discussing uncomfortable truths about immigration status of suspects.
• [26:46] — The silencing of victims’ families and tensions around free speech in prosecution.
• [33:37] — Ogg’s breakdown of why cashless bail is dangerous and unpopular.

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Concluding Sentiments

Ogg concludes that genuine leadership in public safety and law enforcement is at stake if political extremism continues to dominate the Democratic Party. She contends that real change will come not from ideological purity, but from voters supporting practical, common-sense solutions—regardless of political party. Tudor Dixon closes by praising Ogg’s willingness to put “country over party” and prioritize principle above partisanship.

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For listeners: If you want an authentic, insider perspective on America’s crime and public safety debates—and a look at the fractures inside the Democratic Party over these issues—this conversation provides a passionate, detailed exploration from an experienced prosecutor’s point of view.

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Transcript

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[Tudor Dixon]

B R-I K.com welcome to the Tudor Dixon Podcast. As you all know, and as you've all seen over the past few weeks, the Democrat party is changing. And not all Democrats are eager to accept those changes. But it's weird because it seems like it. If you step away, and I don't mean step away from the party completely, but I'm saying if you step away from those radical ideals, you get this intense reaction. And my guest today, former District Attorney of Harris County, Texas, Kim Ogg, is one of those people that has experienced some of that blowback from just stepping away from some of the Democrat ideals. Welcome former District Attorney. We're so pleased to have you on the podcast.

[Kim Ogg]

Thank you so much. I think your topic is relevant and a lot of people feel exactly like you stated, that the parties moved away from common sense and things that we all used to agree on that weren't considered partisan, such as crime.

[Tudor Dixon]

It's interesting because this morning I was on Newsmax and they were playing a clip from one of the national TV shows and this woman said, I have been a Democrat my entire life, a lifelong Democrat. And you know, this is decades of being a Democrat. And I have seen the party change, change, change. And she said, I identify with Bernie Sanders and anyone who doesn't is not a Democrat. And I was shocked. I thought, what? That's the change? Wouldn't you say that's the change?

[Kim Ogg]

I would say that the last Democratic socialist that we read about in history was in Germany and pre war Germany, and that this concept that the government is supposed to provide everything for us is wrong. What the government is supposed to provide and what we all used to agree on is public safety. That we need to be able to go to the store without getting robbed, that we need to allow kids to be able to play in our yards, that kind of thing. What we see under bad Democratic policies related to public safety are cashless bail and thousands of murders that just don't have to happen. And that's the murders. There's a lot of rapes and Robberies, when people are out on bombs bond and they have no skin in the game, their mother's house isn't up. They're not, we're not seeing trials for years and years. You get mayhem in the neighborhood. And I find that regular people, including Democrats, don't want to live next to a murderer or a rapist on cashless bail. They think that person should be in jail, held pre trial with a quick trial. And that's how things should be and that's how they used to be. And it's been a huge shock to me as a district attorney in the fourth largest jurisdiction in the country to watch Democrats in control of some of our major urban areas, including Houston, go to this pro crime agenda and act as though victims are the villains.

[Tudor Dixon]

Oh yes.

[Kim Ogg]

And the criminals are the good guys. That's just not the way it is.

[Tudor Dixon]

That has shocked me. The protection for the criminal. And I will say on both sides, I've seen these weird changes in certain people in the parties as well. And there's. There seems to be. I don't know if it's the, the improvement or the invention of social media. I don't know what it is. But there is this desire to be personally famous in politics, which I think is a terrible situation. And I think we've seen that's. That to me has been what's pulled the Democrats to the socialist side. You had aoc, you have Bernie Sanders who started it. You've got Mamdani now who is out there. And they are like these, these characters that people just want to follow. And even Marjorie Taylor Greene on our side. I heard her the other day on Megyn Kelly's show saying that she is mad because Speaker Johnson should have kept the government, should have kept the House in session during the government shutdown because they could have been passing bills. And I thought that's bizarre to me that that's your focus when you don't have the actual fundamentals of government are not there. You're not funding law enforcement, you're not funding our military. You're not. You. You get to the point where you start to have the fundamentals of government used as a weapon against the people to get what you want politically. And I feel like that is what we are seeing right now in the United States of America. It's shocking to me. But having you on here from Texas, it is really shocking to me because you were involved. You were the district attorney when the Jocelyn Nungree case first came out, is that correct?

[Kim Ogg]

I was. And I have become Close to the family. There is a new victims rights group that is formed not just around this case, but around thousands of murders that occurred during my eight year, two terms, we filed more than 3,500 murders. Just imagine the math. That's more than one a day. So I met not just Jocelyn Nungare's family after her incredibly horrible death and murder, but I met thousands of other families in the same position. And these are not statistics. These are people's brothers, mothers, husbands, wives, children. It didn't have to happen. It doesn't have to keep happening. Criminal justice. In the age of DNA and the Internet and so many technological advances, almost any crime can be solved. What's weird is that people don't seem to want to solve them. Some people, some people in the Democratic Party and some people in power who act more like social influencers than real leaders because it takes guts to stand up against the inevitable criticism that you receive online. My thought is, you know, online doesn't vote either, does do huge contributions by people like George Soros. People vote and it's people that we're supposed to be serving in government. And the first duty of government is to keep us safe. So we are failing, I think, in this country. And it's the political system that's failing us. And that's just going to require people getting off their phones, being involved, knowing who their judges, DA's, local government is, not just the folks we elect to Congress.

[Tudor Dixon]

Well, that, that has been something that we on the Republican side have just started to, sadly just started to figure out. These prosecutors, the district attorneys, we need to be aware of their ideology because it should. You have stated, and I want to mention this, you have stated that it is not a partisan position. However, it has become a partisan position. Why? Why? Why has it become a partisan position? I mean, the law is the law, right? It's like math. It either is or it isn't.

[Kim Ogg]

I say that all the time. The law is a simple math problem. You apply the law to the facts and there's either sufficient evidence for somebody to be held in jail and convicted, or there's not. So you're correct. It was never intended to be partisan. Yet we've seen leftist Democrats throw race into the conversation, which is like gasoline on fire. Fire. Because we do have a divide in the country between black and brown and white, but we don't disagree and never really disagreed over protecting ourselves and our family and our expectation that law enforcement would do that. And when race was injected, especially during the George Floyd riots and protests, what we saw was a movement to defund police with no alternative option behind it, as though people were just going to stop robbing and raping and pillaging. And while I don't agree with what happened to George Floyd, I think that the murder conviction was valid based on the evidence that I read about. My thought is that you don't wipe out an entire system because somebody did something wrong or handled a situation inappropriately and someone died. That was terrible. But it doesn't mean you throw out the entire system. And so I think that the Democratic socialists took that, they took advantage of the situation and they really began trying to socially engineer local government in the big urban areas. And what I found was that people don't understand the justice system. It's an assembly line. You have cops, you have prosecutors, you have judges, you have jail, prison, probation, parole. They don't know who's responsible, responsible for what, but they don't want to be endangered by people who are violent and out on the street. And many in Houston, from our judges, elected local Democratic judges, allowed people out on 15 and 16 bonds. The absurdity of arresting somebody and then letting them out, arresting them and letting them out. They would let fugitives out that crime stoppers would put rewards out on so that we could catch them and they would be out on a personal recognizance bond. This is unacceptable. But it took our public a long time to really understand it was judges doing this. They were democratically elected. And we saw correction during the 2024 elections. And I think we're going to see further corrections in 2026. I know that I'm supporting Republican candidates and I'm still a Democrat on paper, but at the, at the primary voting places as well. And this time I'm going to have to say the Republicans are offering a more common sense position on not just crime, but on many topics. And that's what's made me much more aligned with Republicans these days than with Democrats.

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[Kim Ogg]

Amen. It's funding. And that's where Republicans can really make a difference and make gains at the polls by funding the thing. The essentials in government and in law enforcement and our DNA and crime labs are essential. We're underfunded here in Houston. I complained about it and complained about it. I went to city council, I went to the commissioners, and you know, you get a lot of lip service. Now we have a mayor in Houston, another Democrat, treated much like I've been treated as an outcast in the party, as somebody who, because we don't agree with every single thing that Bernie Sanders or AOC says, and by the way, I agree with very few of those things, if any, we're suddenly not good Democrats. And because of that, I said, you're right, I'm a bad Democrat, but I believe in law and order. We must fund our crime labs. We.

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I have to argue they're not Democrats.

[Kim Ogg]

Tell me.

[Tudor Dixon]

I mean, I don't think that AOC and Bernie Sanders are Democrats. I don't think that that makes you bad. If you. Yes, yes. If you don't agree with them, that doesn't make you a bad Democrat. That maybe makes you a real Democrat.

[Kim Ogg]

Well, let me tell you who is really fueling the fire. I think it's. I think it's national and local media. We see a lot in print media of misinformation, deliberate misinformation. Spins on things like bail reform, cashless bail reform, we hear is working just great. Well, I'm talking to hundreds of families each year that. Who've lost their loved ones in horrible ways like Jocelyn's rape and murder here in Houston in June of 2024. Some to illegal aliens. And this desire and promotion by the media to once again villainize ice, to empathize with illegal immigrants. We're all for legal immigration. Our country's founded by immigrants. But we're for legal immigration and we're all for helping people. But violent folks don't want to be helped. They need to be separated from our community. And I think that's the basics have just been lost by the Democratic Party both nationally and locally. I think normal people will continue to make these corrections and they are going to vote more Republican if crime continues and Democratic socialists continue to push this agenda of pro criminal. I can't see it any other way. Open borders, pro crime, bad policies that result in tragedies for ordinary families. It just isn't going to keep selling. And I think people have wised up to a lot of the media and they're watching programs like yours.

[Tudor Dixon]

Well, and I think what we're seeing with this defense sense of illegal immigration is interesting because, you know, when, when Obama was in office, the Democrats were absolutely not for illegal immigration. He was considered the deporter in chief. They were supportive of that. They were supportive of immigration reform. I do know that. And I haven't heard that talked about in many, many years now. I would say it's shocking to me that I've heard all of this about like, open borders, letting these people in, the humanitarian issue of allowing come in from other countries. But there has been no solution in. We need more judges, we need more cases to come through. We need more opportunity for these people. And you have the people that do it right, and they wait years for it. And then you have these people that come across the border. You pointed out that one of the murderers in the Jocelyn Nungare case had actually raped an American citizen in Costa Rica. And that was like, like exposing that truth was way too much for the Democrats.

[Kim Ogg]

Well, they really came after me. You know, it's, it's all an allegation until it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt. But a citizen did come forward and did identify one of the accused murderers in Jocelyn's case. And because we have a Soros DA who was promoted and defeated me in a primary, I've watched him dismiss case after case after case for political cronies. Our public corruption prosecutions that we worked so hard to bring before the public because nobody likes being cheated out of their tax dollars. We saw those being dismissed. We've seen a huge dismissal rate of violent offenders. And I was very concerned that other victims out there might be disillusioned, too disillusioned to come forward if there were other victims, that this woman who did come forward might feel abandoned. And so the public has a right to know just how dangerous the people they're dealing with in our justice system are, and it's true everyone is innocent until proven guilty. But I put together a committee that reviewed all of our capital murder cases in Harris county and they felt there was sufficient evidence in the case to move forward for the death penalty. I announced we were going to seek the, the death penalty while I was DA and literally a judge has threatened to hold me in contempt for announcing the death penalty, that we would seek it against these murders and for violating what he calls a gag order and what I call a violation of my First Amendment rights. They've even tried to silence the victim's mother and grandfather and family. And courts have no right to, in a free country to limit the free speech their child. They don't have the right to prevent free speech at all. But literally a Democratic judge, the Soros prosecutor, joined with the defense to hold me in contempt instead of pushing for trial against the murderers. It's an absurd situation. I was cleared by the State Bar of Texas a week ago, which I'm grateful to my lawyers for helping get that done. And we'll see what happens with this contempt action. It was based on the State Bar complaint and so we intend to file a motion to dismiss. But let me tell you, it's no fun to be villainized as the chief law enforcement officer in the fourth biggest jurisdiction in the country for simply doing my job well.

[Tudor Dixon]

And I think it's important for us to point out that this was a 12 year old girl, a 12 year old who was violently raped and murdered. And I cannot imagine I have two 12 year old daughters. I cannot imagine what that mother is still going through to this day. And to be told to be villainized and to be told that you can't speak about it. What has this country come to? If we get to the point where we say you as the victim have no rights, it's shocking to me.

[Kim Ogg]

It is. And that's why we have to fight back. We need to elect people who want to do things, not be someone. We need real leadership in the country. And it's an opportunity for Republican candidates all across America to advance on common sense public safety issues where we simply agree that violent people should be separated. We're not making personal judgments that's for the higher court as we call God. But on earth we have the laws of man. It's important they're enforced. That gives us an orderly society where people can make the greatest living in the world. It's the best country in the world. But if we lose control of our streets through bad democratic policies that have already failed, that they keep clinging to, then our country will fail. So I look forward to greater leaders out of the Red team this time around. I think you're going to see corrections and I I want them to end this government shutdown because the more we have people doing their jobs unpaid or facing criticism like they are at ICE and other places in the government for simply doing their job, you know, it's not a popularity contest. Laws are passed by our government. We don't have to like them all. If you don't like them, change them. But do it the right way. Not through defunding, through elections.

[Tudor Dixon]

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[Rodney Williams and Travis Holloway]

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[Tudor Dixon]

You've been a huge opponent, and you mentioned it, to ending cash bail. Give us a little bit, give us some, some education on that, because I think people hear that. But, you know, if you've never been in a situation where you've needed cash bail or you know someone, you don't really know what that means. So what is the impact of ending that? What does it do to the country?

[Kim Ogg]

So this push by Democrats over the last seven years to end bail entirely is one of the most bizarre platform positions I've seen any party take. It makes sense that if somebody commits a crime and they are captured and there's sufficient evidence to bring that case forward, that we would want to hold that violent person in custody until could be heard. And that's why we need to. Funding the labs are so important, and yet we had a push by the Democratic Party to end bail entirely or just to let people out for free. No skin in the game whatsoever. That makes no sense. And it endangers everyone to have people who are charged with serious crimes let out with no deposit, deposit, no security that they will return to court and no protection for their neighbors. You know, if they're in custody, we at least know where they are and we can try them. So the push for cashless bail is a senseless, senseless policy position. I fought against it because I saw the direct impact, which was a huge spike in crime. And that. That is probably the single biggest reason we've seen a spike in crime in urban areas in the country, because cashless bail was pushed by the Democrats in all the major areas through their prosecutors. I pushed back as a Democrat because it didn't make any sense and it got a lot of people hurt and killed.

[Tudor Dixon]

I know the state of Texas is very lucky to have you. I appreciate having you on the podcast today. I think it's rare that we see someone who's willing to come out and say, I am with this. This is my party, but I'm willing to cross the line for people who I think are doing the right thing. It is really, truly country over party. You look at it that way. I appreciate that. I wish we could see more people like that. Former District Attorney Kim Ogg. Thank you so much for being on the podcast today.

[Kim Ogg]

Thanks so much for bringing, bringing these issues to light. The public needs reporters and they. They need people like you who will give time to an issue, let us explain it, and then let people decide.

[Tudor Dixon]

Well, thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you so much. And thank you all for joining the podcast for this episode and others, go to tutordixonpodcast.com, the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or you can watch the whole video on YouTube or Rumble. Thank you so much and have a blessed day.

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[Rodney Williams and Travis Holloway]

I'm Rodney Williams and I'm Travis Holloway. Welcome to the wealthbreak Podcast, a real conversation about financing finance. Let's be honest, building weft doesn't look the same for everyone.

[Tudor Dixon]

I feel like sometimes being broke is a cycle and that we might have.

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To revisit that and we're not stopping at success stories.

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What happens when it doesn't go right? How do you cope with it?

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[Kim Ogg]

Hello.

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[Tudor Dixon]

Hi.

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She started putting a portion of her marketing dollars in podcasting back in June.

[Kim Ogg]

Business is booming.

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[Kim Ogg]

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