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The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Inside the GOP Shake-Up: Trump, MTG, Epstein Fallout & Holiday Week Political Drama
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Tudor Dixon
I have someone who I love chatting with with me today, Rich Zioli from Philadelphia's Talk Radio. Rich, thank you so much for joining me.
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Rich Zioli
Well, tutor, I love chatting with you and it's been too long. So thank you for having me on this pre Thanksgiving extravaganza. I appreciate it.
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Tudor Dixon
Absolutely. And there's so much to go over, which I feel like sometimes towards the holidays, there's a little bit of a lull. But this past week has been filled with just a lot, quite a lot of gems that I wanted to discuss with you. So thank you. Thank you for being here.
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Rich Zioli
Just don't ask me to defy any military orders. Okay? Just don't do that.
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Tudor Dixon
Actually, that. So that is one of them because Alyssa Slotkin, who was, I guess I would say she was kind of the lead in that video. So if you don't know what, what Rich is talking about, there was this video of were they all senators, some.
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Rich Zioli
Members of the house, actually, like a guy named Jason Crow, who I never heard of before, and it sounds made up, but he was in there, too.
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Tudor Dixon
So they were all like former military. They all. And, and Slotkin, Alyssa Slotkin, who is a senator in Michigan, she was the leader of it. And I have a theory on her, she was the leader who was like, you know, if, please, we, we're begging you not to, to commit illegal or, or allow the president to give you illegal orders. Which then was this whole firestorm of the president, like, this is a seditious act. They're telling the military to defy the commander in chief.
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Rich Zioli
Right? Yeah. And the thing about it is that they kept saying illegal orders. Illegal orders. But then when they asked them, well, like, what illegal orders are happening? Like, nothing. In fact, that one guy, Jason Crowe, who I mentioned, brought up Abu Ghraib, which was what, 25 years ago, and then he brought up Vietnam, and he's like, well, there was a guy in Vietnam once who Gave an order that was illegal and went to jail. I'm sorry, did we go back in time? Why are we bringing up Vietnam here? So they couldn't actually bring up specific examples, Tutor, of any illegal orders the commander in chief has given, either in this term or the other term. But they're like, but if it does happen, you know, and the timing of this is interesting, too, because there's this movie, Nuremberg, that just came out. So I actually think that the people behind the movie paid these idiots to make the video to try to help get people talking about war crimes. That's my theory.
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Tudor Dixon
So Alyssa was asked over the weekend by abc, well, have you seen any illegal orders being given? And she was like, I wouldn't say illegal, but I would say there's legal gymnastics with what we're seeing with these boats out. So my theory on her, I just want to say I had the wonderful Stacey Washington on the podcast last week, and she had a great theory on Michelle Obama. She said, I've never thought Michelle Obama was running ever. But when she was interviewed, she was. You know, she's done. She's doing this glow up thing. She's lost weight. She's working out. She's got her hair. Well, apparently she's had to do her hair straight for a long time because of us people out here that have straight hair. I don't know. She's complaining that the white people of the country have made her straighten her hair. But I saw her doing a photo shoot over the weekend. Just not to digress, but just for a moment, I saw her doing this photo shoot over the weekend, and I don't think that they. There were two. One she had braids in and one she had her hair kind of like curled and straightened, but curled a little under. And I think that she chose both hairstyles. I don't think anybody forced her into it because she looked really happy. In fact, the one with the braids, she looked a little bit. A little bit crabby. The one with her hair, I don't know if you saw this. She had this, like, fancy shirt on with these ribbons coming off of it with wind blowing. She's dancing. She looks thrilled. So I think it's a lie that she doesn't like to have her hair straightened. I think she enjoys it. But Stacy was saying that because of this and this new attitude, you know, dancing and. And all of that, she thinks that she is considering a run. I. I say it's Alyssa Slotkin because she's done the same thing. And I don't I don't think anybody said this before, but she has gone through a real serious glam up. She has a new, well, her hairstyle when she's running for Senate was like, still the same, but more in her face and no makeup. She was no makeup girl for sure. Now she has really glamorous makeup. The hair is a little bit more controlled and she's also lost quite a bit of weight. She has had a major glow up. And I think she's running for president.
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Rich Zioli
President. Wow.
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Tudor Dixon
I do. I think she's going for, for vice president, but I think she'll be on the ticket in 28.
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Rich Zioli
Well, I've spent most of the morning with my hair in, in rollers curlers because, you know, I, I thought I was supposed to curl my hair. Everybody's been talking about Michelle Obama running for years. It's been, it's always been the theory that Michelle Obama is going to throw her hat into the ring. And if she does and she wins and she dominates everything and she clearly has no interest in doing it, I've lost money on that, on that over the years. Tutor. As far as Alyssa Slotkin goes, I mean, why not? Everybody else is running for president in 2028. Whitmer was hanging out with Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro at the Eagles game last week. Not the one that they lost to Dallas this week, which was just an abomination, but. And they're hanging out together. And I see those two as a ticket, potentially a Whitmer Shapiro ticket. But you know this. I mean, every Democrat's running and why not? The party's in free fall. The party's in chaos. They don't know who the leader of the Democrat Party is. I saw recently there was a poll on this issue and they asked people and the number one answer was, I don't know. Number two, I think was Kamala Harris. And number three was something like I have no frigging clue, which is basically the same thing as number one. So nobody knows who's in charge of the Democrat Party. Is it Bernie? Is it aoc? Is it Mamdani? Although his clout, I think, went down a lot after the meeting with the president in the Oval Office. So it, you know, Gavin Newsom's running with his glorious hair that you and I have talked about many times before, even on a Fox News Saturday night.
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Tudor Dixon
He has to do a lot with his hair, too. These Democrats have hair. They have hair. And I think that you could very easily make the argument that you've been oppressed with your Curly hair.
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Rich Zioli
I, I believe it. I believe so. And I, I, why I'm not more successful in life is because of my curly hair. People judge me and say that it's, it's been a thing and I've tried to relax it over the years, but, you know, I'm just lucky to have hair at this point. Tutor. I'm, I feel really lucky about.
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Tudor Dixon
There are a lot of men that are jealous of you.
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Rich Zioli
Y. Well, years of Propecia and Rogaine and hair transplants and. No, but, but I do think that there is something to the fact that everybody now is, is clearly on Ozempic or something because you mentioned how these politicians have lost weight. My only question is, when is JB Pritzker going to start?
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Tudor Dixon
I know, I know. You know, the president gives him a lot of crap for that. But I love how Donald Trump talks about Ozempic. He's like, it's like the fat drug. But it doesn't work for everybody. It doesn't work for everybody. Not everybody loses weight. Yeah, the match. Yes. Yes. Well, one person that we didn't talk about who has always been very glamorous and I, you know, who knows, could be Senate, could be president. Jasmine Crockett.
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Rich Zioli
Gosh. Well, I guess it's true that, that brains only run skin deep with Jasmine Crockett because she's the gift that keeps on giving. I mean, she's a permanent sound bite machine.
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Tudor Dixon
I know. She is lovely.
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Tudor Dixon
Okay, so last week, the Epstein vote went through and I'm sure you all saw, but in case you didn't, Jasmine, who was very beautifi, I, I, I have to say, she does always look beautiful. She's always got her hair perfectly done. She always has her makeup perfectly done. And she was, she went on the House floor and she said she was going to just let the truth flag fly because she was going to let us all know that all these people had taken money from a man named Jeffrey Epstein. And it was all of these people and they, they were all Republicans, Mitt Romney and all kinds of, and the, and win read and all these things. And then she goes on CNN and Kaitlan Collins is like, but, you know, like, that wasn't the same Jeffrey Epstein.
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Rich Zioli
She doubled down on it too, right? She's like, well, I never said it was the same Jeffrey Epstein. I had no time for Epstein.
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Tudor Dixon
I had no time to research that. I had to just put it out there.
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Rich Zioli
I mean, she goes, well, we Googled it. But, you know, but they didn't Google Enough, you know, they just sort of semi googled, not fully googled. And then she goes, I didn't mislead anyone. I didn't say it was Jeffrey Epstein. I just said it was Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, it's the most mind numbing clip I've ever seen in my life. She just refused to acknowledge that she made a mistake. So she's doubled down.
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Tudor Dixon
She didn't make a mistake. She knew. I mean, even when you watch her announcing it in that hearing or whatever it was that she was in, when she announces it on the floor, you can tell she knows because she says, we did a quick search and so we, what we found is that this Jeffrey Epstein gave money. And who was it that came out and said, no, this wasn't Lee Zeldin. Yeah, Lee Zeldin was on the list too. And Lee Zeldin's like, you moron, this is not the same Jeffrey Epstein. But the beauty of this is this guy, I love him. So the Dr. Jeffrey Epstein who actually gave money, he went on one of the shows over the weekend. He's like, I did give to Jasmine Crockett just so I would be on her list too, which I think is lovely. I'm like, I love you, you're amazing. But she knew. So this is the manipulation of politics today. She knew it wasn't him. She knew it wasn't the maybe dead Jeffrey Epstein. She knew it was not the dirty guy. She knew it was a different person. But she goes out there and then she goes on cnn. And what makes me crazy about this is, do you think for a second that Caitlin Collins would have calmly sat there and slightly prodded, but, but you know, it's not the same. Do you want to apologize? And she's like, I don't. You know, I don't. She would just not even concede that it was not the same. She's like, I said it was Jeffrey Epstein. I didn't say it was the Jeffrey Epstein. If that were a Republican, Caitlin Collins would have gone mad.
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Rich Zioli
Yeah, and it would have deservedly so. I mean, it's the idea that there's only one person named Jeffrey Epstein in a country of 350 million people, or that anyone named Jeffrey Epstein is as bad as Jeffrey Epstein just because of the name. As if it's, it's not the person, it's the name that causes you to be a sick pedophile, you know, and so you're just born that way. It's beyond ridiculous. She knew what she was doing. She was purposely trying to associate Lee Zeldin with that. His response on Twitter was great when he called her a freaking. And I love that he used the word like freaking. Like, you're freaking genius, you know. But it just shows what a clown show this whole thing has been, because for all these years, Democrats have been trying to obfuscate this tutor. And you know, this. I mean, they took money from this guy. I mean, the Democrat National Committee did. Ken Martin, as chairman, was defending this. And so they try to associate Republicans with it. And it turns out, yeah, there's a doctor named Jeffrey Epstein somewhere who gave money to Lee Zeldin. And that guy is now the most famous doctor in America, I think. And people are probably lining up to go see the guy now at this point. You know, they're like, we heard you. We heard about you so well.
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Tudor Dixon
And in the midst of this, you have you. What we're uncovering here. And I think it's fascinating so far, because what we've uncovered is that there, there have been some people that have been associated with Jeffrey Epstein. And this was after he was already convicted. So he was convicted in 2012. People knew who he was. It wasn't a mystery as to how dirty Jeffrey Epstein was. But you've got Stacy Plass basket, who is actually texting him in the middle of a hearing, and they have not. I mean, it's crazy, because if you watch that video, they have the text messages. And you can see in the video, she looks down at her phone and then she. Then she says, I'm just about to go. And then she says exactly what Jeffrey Epstein tells her to say. You can watch it in real time happening on the video. And this was what Kaitlyn Collins was asking Jasmine Crockett about. Well, wait a minute. What do you say about the fact that one of your Democrat colleagues was talking to him? Well, she didn't know he was a pedophile. No. Everybody knew what his deal was at that point in life. And she says, well, he was a constituent. He was controlling a hearing, essentially controlling a representative. One person who is a convicted felon is controlling a congresswoman who is. Is testifying or she's. She's in a hearing against Trump. I mean, we know that this was an anti Trump hearing.
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Rich Zioli
Yeah, yeah, no, that's it. I mean, right, Tudor. They'll thank. Just thank God there weren't a lot of emojis used, because I, I've had it with that. You know what I mean? Like, thank God they didn't put, you know, celebratory balloons and hearts and. But the idea that they would use him to try to bring down Don. And it wasn't just her. I mean, what you're talking about is so egregious because she's an elected member of Congress. It's a congressional hearing. She's texting him, trying to get dirt on Donald Trump, trying to help bring down this presidential candidate. Michael Wolf, the disgraced journalist, he reached out to Jeffrey Epstein, too. So even though they knew who this guy was, because I think anybody before the conviction in 2012, you got to pass. I mean, you're with this guy. Unless you specifically know. I refuse to do the guilt by association thing. If people had dinner with him, if they went out with him, whatever, unless you knew specifically what he was doing, and you probably didn't, then fine. But after that point, from that point forward, if you're texting with him and you knew that he solicited an underage girl, that's on you. And to do so. Because your justification is he's my constituent. Because I love that. She's like, well, I mean, he lives in the Virgin Islands. I represent the Virgin Islands. So we're texting about things. That's why you have congressional staff members to do. I ran a congressional office many, many years ago. I was in charge of constituent relations. That's something you pass off to a staff member. You're not getting a Social Security check, your Veterans affairs check, fine. You have a constituent services officer. Deal with it. When the member of Congress is directly talking to somebody, it's because that person is very, very important. And I still can't find what the constituent related issue was, other than we both want to bring down Donald Trump. We both hate Donald Trump. Which proves that Donald Trump did nothing with Jeffrey Epstein. Because they were searching Tudor. They were trying everywhere, every rock they could uncover. And he hated Trump's guts. He wanted to see Trump come down. He just had nothing to give her.
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Tudor Dixon
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Tudor Dixon
Two things there you don't just have your congressman's private cell phone number. I mean, really, how many people have their congressman's private cell phone? It's not like your constituents are like, okay, so here's my number for all of you. If you ever want to call or text in the middle of a hearing, I got you. That's not normal. That is not normal. And then the second thing is, this is. This to me is serious evidence that Epstein hated him, hated Trump, and he wanted to take him down. This was in the impeachment times. This was the time they were working to destro him, not just take him out of office. They wanted to destroy him. And Epstein was a part of that.
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Rich Zioli
Yeah, 100%. You're exactly right. You're spot on. He hated him. Their, their, their feud went back many years. Business feud. And if there was something he could have offered to bring down Donald Trump that would not have directly implicated him, of course, he certainly would have. No question about it. But it also points out that they were looking into Jeffrey Epstein to bring down Donald Trump. So even if he had not shared something, because it would have implic. Which, you know, is logical reason. Right. It still shows that they were looking into this. And then if they believe there was something there, okay, fine, maybe 2016, you don't really dig too deep because the woman running for president, well, her husband certainly had a lot of connections with Jeffrey Epstein. So maybe you don't look in that direction. But you know, this as, as a, as a person who's run for statewide office, opposition research is so key to a race. And they do a lot of it. I mean, they find out if you put your garbage and didn't mix your recycling, I mean, anything they can use against you, they'll use against you. So they certainly would have used it in 2020. And then the four years they're in control of the Justice Department, where they're going after Donald Trump, because they're saying that, well, Mar A Lago is not worth what you said it is. It's really only worth 1999. And if you buy, you know, you buy it now, you also get a free set of dishes. I mean, it's ridiculous. Anything they could use against him, they would. The full resources of the United States Department of Justice was going after him. So you mean to tell me that if they thought there was something related to Jeffrey Epstein, they wouldn't have brought it up? Like, they would have been like, ah, you know what? Forget that one. Let's just go after the fact that he said this building is only worth 600, is worth $600 million. When we say it's worth $500 million, I mean it's absurd.
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Tudor Dixon
So let me ask you, because the Epstein files obviously became a huge deal when Trump was and after his inauguration and you had people on both sides saying, we need these files. I've always said it very interesting because no one was screaming about it for the four years that Joe Biden was in office. I mean, on either side. This is what blows my mind. I'm like, Wolf, if you thought exactly what you just said, if you thought there was something on Trump, you would have gotten those files then. But Marjorie Taylor Greene was one of them. She was out there. She started to really hit on, on the Republican Party. She started to hit on Speaker Johnson. She was hitting on the President. She was taking these kind of cheap shots, some people thought, from the, the MAGA world. But there's this there a development over the weekend. She's decided she's going to resign on January 5th. I believe that's when she gets her pension. So she's decided she'll stay until then. That's a kick in the teeth too. Just for people who don't know to resign instead of just say, I'm not going to run again. That's a kick in the teeth because you leave a seat open and she's doing that on purpose. Now there's a theory that she is the one that people see as truly maga. The president has said, I like her a lot. I'm sorry it went this way. We know that he had gone to her early on and said, you, you polling doesn't look good for you for Senate. Don't run for Senate. And she is a farther right person. In a state like Georgia, the Senate is hard to run for. It is not a red state. It is a truly purple state. For someone who is a far right conservative, it's, it would have been a really tough road. And that was what she was told. The story is that that private conversation made her upset and she decided that she was going to go against the president. And a lot of that was through the Epstein files. But now she's resigned. Do you believe this theory that in 28 she's the one left standing that's considered the MAGA candidate?
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Rich Zioli
Well, that's a really interesting question, Tutor Dixon. I would say the first thing is this. I would not be shocked if she ends up being a CNN contributor starting on January 6th. I would not be shocked at all to see that she's been going on that network more and more. That network is trying to bring more conservative voices. You know, your schedule's limited as a member of Congress and how many times you can do that. So they may be throwing some cash your way and apparently she's made some cash as a member of Congress, which is of course not at all surprising. There is, I mean, the, the problem here with Epstein, as far as MAGA world is concerned, is that many people promised that they would get to the truth of Jeffrey Epstein. So you had a lot of online influencers and other people who kept saying repeatedly that if Trump wins, we're going to finally get to the truth of Jeffrey Epstein. It's been a cover up. The Biden administration's covered it up and we're going to finally get this out. Then the Attorney general does what I think is, is still to this day, I cannot figure out what, what that was all about. When she brings these influencers into the White House or the complex, very weird, hands them binders and says the truth is coming out, makes a whole big song and dance about it. And then suddenly it's like, oh, oops, these are, maybe it's invisible link. I don't know. There's nothing here. And that just made people furious. And so for people within maga, I guess as we'll use that term, and we're really talking, in my opinion, about a lot of online influencers that caused a tremendous blow up. There's this obviously civil war going on right now, as you know, over Israel. And there's that whole battle that's taking place there too. I mean, it's a mess right now. Trump is not going to run again. And I don't think there's anyone who can hold that coalition together except for Donald trump. I mean, J.D. vance can't. Marco Rubio camp, they just can't. Trump's a once in a lifetime candidate. This is it. And he's the only one who's able to, even when he does things that MAGA doesn't necessarily approve of, still generally hold the coalition together. The coalition is breaking apart already. And so the question then becomes, is, is, is a MAGA candidate really the future of the Republican Party? I think that's the better question. And, and is there, would that person still be able to bring over traditional Republicans and MAGA and unite them? I don't see Marjorie Taylor Greene being that person. She may be able to coalesce a lot of maga, but then again, when the President called her a traitor, there were a lot of people within that universe who suddenly turned on her. He has that ability, he has that, that power, that, that effect to be able to kind of redirect people towards or against somebody.
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Tudor Dixon
I agree. People, they don't just, they stick with him. I mean, there's a strong coalition that sticks with him. Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on the Tudor Dixon Podcast.
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Tudor Dixon
I believe that he still has the grassroots significantly. I mean, I think that people only come out for him. There are people who won't. I mean, I know it. I'm in Michigan. I know that there is.
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Rich Zioli
That happened in Jersey.
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Tudor Dixon
Yes, yes, exactly. And yet there are, I would say, traditional supporters of the Republican Party who refuse to accept this and they believe that they can go back to what the party used to be they used to look like before Donald Trump. I think that that's a disaster. I know it's a disaster. I know that we lose a massive amount of people that would vote if you get rid of that mindset that make America great again mindset. And yet I, I know for a fact in the state of Michigan, we have traditional supporters of the Republican Party who have gone to the biggest donors in the state and said, we're not going to give to the federal elections this time. We're only going to focus on state. Why would that be? Unless you were trying to kill maga.
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Rich Zioli
Yeah. So Jersey broke my heart recently when my friend Jack Schitterelli lost what we all thought was going to be a close race, that he had a really strong chance of winning. And the polling was way off on this and everything. And then you find out that 70% of the people that came out to vote for President Trump voted for Jack, which meant that the other 30% again did not vote. And this is a problem that we see. We see this. There was a special election in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, Tudor in 2025, a county that the president crushed it in. This was supposed to be a layup and a Democrat won in a Special election, small election. It was nothing. But because, again, voters who vote for Trump don't vote for other Republicans. They just vote for him. And so what I think you're also going to see is this battle to try to take the Republican Party and bring it back, like you're saying, to a different time, a pre Trump era. And the, the real question, as I look at some of these figures who are emerging in 2028, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, do they go back to that? Because that's where they were, obviously, as they battled President Trump in the primary, or does Rubio now say, hey, listen, I'm, I'm, I'm Team Make America Great again. I'm, I'm on that team. And that team literally is a Rubio and J.D. vance ticket. It, it'd be very interesting to watch that. But there's no question in my mind a lot of this is going to be determined by what happens in the midterms, because if we get smoked in the midterms, then there's a very compelling argument for people to make to say the Republican Party needs to go back to the pre Donald Trump era, otherwise it's toast and that battle will play out. I'm not suggesting that it should. I'm just simply saying that that's what people are going to start saying. Donors are going to start saying it. I remember sitting down with a very rich Republican in Pennsylvania, like a billionaire, the richest guy in the state, actually. And this was before the 2024 election, but he was convinced that Trump could not win again. And I said, I, I completely disagree with you on this point, but he wanted to back, you know, the governor of Florida, Ron DeSantis. He just said, we, we can't win now that Trump is out of the equation. And he will be out of the equation in 2028 if, if we get smoked in midterms and we look at the losses in Jersey, we look at the losses in Virginia, we don't know what losses we may have in 2026. I mean, you know, it's, I mean, then the argument then is going to be, now that Trump is gone, MAGA can't go forward, so we can't back JD Vance. We have to go back to a more traditional Republican, even though, ironically enough, he was one at one point. Right. And back at DeSantis or back Ted Cruz or whoever. So I predict that that is the way things are going to be dependent upon how things go in 26. And there's Governor's races and senators races, too.
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Tudor Dixon
There Are donors actively working to tank the midterms to make that happen? They would gladly live through two years of Trump not being able to accomplish anything and impeachments and all of that. Hell, just to go back to what they believe is the party they want, and they believe that because they have the money, they get to choose. It doesn't matter what the grassroots wants. I'm telling you, I know it's happening.
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Rich Zioli
Oh, man, that is scary. I don't like hearing that. I'm not surprised, though. It doesn't surprise me, Tudor.
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Tudor Dixon
So I just want to end on one last thing, and that is the Oval Office meeting with Mamdani. We have to go over it. We have to go over it because I suspected that it would go this way, and I think that some people don't necessarily know what Trump did there. It doesn't matter if Trump embraces Mamdani. The MAGA people know exactly what he's doing. It doesn't matter if he even taps him on the back and says, it's okay. Call me a fascist. They know. They know. You think that it totally castrated Mamdani. Yeah.
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Rich Zioli
Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah. He's a gelding after that. And I think that Trump had nothing to lose, obviously, by being nice to the guy and, you know, cozying up to him. I mean, I guess you could make an argument that maybe he would normalized, help normalize a communist, but I don't. I don't really think that that's a big problem. But for Mamdani to now have to look AOC in the eye and these other wackos in the squad after that, after kissing up to him like that and being his bestie. Woof. I mean, because they have spent the entire time saying, he's this existential threat. He's Hitler, he's a fascist. When Bill Maher had dinner with Donald Trump, just dinner, and it wasn't even public, and he goes on his show and he says, there's a different guy than the guy you see in public. And Larry David writes this op ed in the New York Times to mock him, saying, my dinner with Hitler. And the whole point of that was, oh, you know, Trump's Hitler. You can't. You can't act like this is a normal guy. Well, for Mamdani to sit there and be, you know, BFFs with the guy as they're out there saying, he's the existential threat, he's a fascist, he's Hitler, he's destroying democracy. That just completely undermines their Argument. And for him now to go back as this little gelding who has, you know, jewels now and look these people in the eye and say, oh, no, no, I'm. I'm still gonna fight him. I'm gonna fight him at every turn. It's like, stop. You got snacks. You got Oval Office snacks and probably souvenirs. You got a T shirt out of it.
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Tudor Dixon
No, it was lovely. Because beforehand I thought it was great watching him explain it. He's like, my staff set up this meeting, and I thought, you are that. You are the incoming mayor now. You, the mayor elect. You cannot say your staff did something that you didn't approve. You can't blame your staff. That's not how this works anymore. So he. First of all, he doesn't even want to acknowledge that he wanted the meeting, and he does. He needs the meeting. He can't do what he said he was going to do, and he's figured that out. But the beauty of it. I loved when Gretchen Whitmer was standing in there with the folder in front of her face, because that is a campaign ad for Gavin Newsom all day long and twice on Sundays. It is great. I love the fact that she did that. And I. And I will love every time I see it when I. When the commercials play. Because she looked like such a moron. And he played her, but he played Mum Donnie so much better because he has him behind the desk like he's a partner, smacking him like they're chums. It was. And it's. I said, I was on a show the night before. They're like, well, what do you think it's going to be? Is it going to be a big smackdown? I'm like, he's going to. He is going to pat him on the hat or on the back, maybe even on the head. And it was as close to patting him on the head as you can get.
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Rich Zioli
I mean, great prediction by you. Well done. Yeah, it was like a buddy movie.
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Tudor Dixon
I totally.
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Rich Zioli
You know, the communists and the fascist. It's like, hey, you know, we both call each other names, we love each other stepbrothers or something. I mean, it was. I was watching it. We took it live on my radio show, and I. When it ended, I said, I don't know what that was, but I'll tell you something. I said, you couldn't have written that any better from the perspective of if you hate Donald Trump. And you were so ready for him to be rude to Ma' Am Donnie. And then you're like, oh, my God, it was nice to the guy. And if you were the.
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Tudor Dixon
The.
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Rich Zioli
The AOC crowd and you're like, oh, he's gonna really show this fascist what's coming as this Democrat revolution is underway. Because let's not forget something. I mean, that's been their argument, right? That.
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Tudor Dixon
Right, ma'.
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Rich Zioli
Am. Donnie is now the leader of not just the Democrat Party, but basically America. Like, he's the other president, and he was in there, and he's like, I love him here. This is so nice. He's so nice to me. He's just. Gosh, golly. He even defended the fact that I flew here and didn't take a train like every other schlub who comes to D.C. from New York. You know, I mean, he couldn't have defended him any more if they were like, yeah, but that tie choice. Trump would have been like, it's a beautiful tie. Looks great on him. It brings out his eyes. He could not have defended the guy anymore. And so it was just like, ma', Am, Donbi, look, you remind me of a little kid who got to go to the President in the Oval Office and hopefully got some of the souvenir M and Ms. Out of it.
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Tudor Dixon
Yeah. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure he went home with a cookie with the seal. I'm so happy about it, too. It was lovely. I was. And this is. And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why MAGA cannot go away. Because these are the moments that we live for, is to watch him humiliate a man in his office without this little boy even understanding what's happening. It was delicious. It's always fun talking to you. Rich Zioli, thank you so much for being on the podcast.
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Rich Zioli
Thanks for having me tutor. It's always a blast. Thank you.
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Tudor Dixon
Absolutely. And thank you all for joining the Tutor Dixon podcast. Remember, you can get it on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast and watch it on Rumble or YouTube. Uterdixon, thanks so much and have a blessed day.
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