The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Louie Gohmert on Political Surveillance & Government Overreach

Summary

The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Louie Gohmert on Political Surveillance & Government Overreach

Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show presents The Tudor Dixon Podcast
Guest: Former Congressman Louie Gohmert
Date: December 5, 2025
Host: Tudor Dixon
Main Theme:
A deep-dive exploration into recent revelations of political surveillance, with former Texas Congressman Louie Gohmert alleging government overreach, constitutional violations, and the implications for America’s institutions, drawing comparisons to Watergate and highlighting the role of the so-called "deep state." Gohmert reflects on being personally targeted, the mechanics behind such investigations, the dangers of unchecked prosecutorial power, and broader fears about a Marxist drift in American politics.

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Episode Overview

Tudor Dixon interviews Louie Gohmert, focusing on allegations that the Biden administration—specifically via Special Counsel Jack Smith—improperly surveilled sitting members of Congress and other political entities using grand jury subpoenas, bypassing traditional legal safeguards. The episode examines the constitutional ramifications, historical context, and cultural climate fostering what they argue is a crisis of government overreach.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Political Surveillance and the 'Arctic Frost' Investigation

• Gohmert describes being one of many targeted:
  • “...they were coming after your records and hundreds of others. Some, a lot of members of Congress, a lot of Republican groups...” (03:30)
• Prosecution used grand jury subpoenas, allegedly without probable cause:
  • “...they didn’t necessarily have to have probable cause at all. ...it's easy for an unethical prosecutor to abuse that process. And that's exactly what I believe you had here with Jack Smith in this Arctic Frost project he had.” (03:59–04:46)

2. Constitutional Crises and Grand Jury Abuse

• Gohmert expresses outrage that normal Fourth Amendment guarantees were bypassed:
  • “The Fourth Amendment assures that there’s protection from inappropriate searches and seizures... You have to describe with particularity exactly what you’re looking for. There was none of that...” (04:46)
• Argues investigations went well beyond January 6th:
  • “...they were getting records well before January 6th, well after January 6th... This is more of an effort to just try to find something, anything more along the lines of what Stalin talked about.” (05:24–05:59)
• Offers a memorable comparison to Stalin:
  • “You show me the man, as he said, and basically I’ll make up a crime to pin on him. And that’s what happened with President Trump. And it appears that’s what they were doing with hundreds of the rest of us.” (05:59)

3. Legal Process Manipulation & Party Targeting

• Grand jury selection and judicial complicity, especially in DC:
  • “...it’s very easy to manipulate the system, to have made sure that you had a grand jury, that every one of them hated President Trump. That would have been very easy and probably is most likely.” (09:01)
• Lack of due process and suppression of legislative privilege:
  • “There’s not just the Fourth Amendment search and seizure issue here. You’re also talking about members of Congress. ...There is another privilege...because of the separation of powers, there’s a congressional privilege.” (09:25)
• Chilling effect on whistleblowers and separation of powers:
  • “Chilling effect when they find out that the FBI, the doj, are grabbing our records without our knowledge so they can see who’s been calling us. That stuff is never supposed to be in the hands of the FBI, the doj, the executive branch.” (10:53)

4. Historical Context and Precedents

• Discusses the 2006 William Jefferson case and institutional norms:
  • “...you would have this third party House counsel go in those attorneys would grab all the material and they would go through and determine what was privileged... They would keep that separate...” (11:30)
• Accuses Mueller and current officials of violating these safeguards:
  • “These things were violated in this Arctic Frost operation by Jack Frost Smith. And so they didn’t care, nor did Federal Judge Boasberg care at all.” (12:53)

5. Cooperation of Telecoms and Scope of Data Collected

• Contrasts Verizon and AT&T’s response to subpoenas:
  • “Verizon turned everything over and AT&T was like, this doesn’t seem like we can do this.” (14:46)
  • “AT&T and some of the others are going, wait a minute. We think you...don’t need a subpoena. You really need a warrant. And this needs to be fought out in court.” (14:56)

6. Accountability: What Happens Next?

• Gohmert advocates for legal consequences:
  • “We intend to take, you know, action in the courts and pursue these people. But hopefully we will have enough to get the DOJ to pursue people for the malicious actions they took that I believe will end up being criminal...” (19:29)
• Criticizes Congress for performative hearings, not real punishment:
  • “Congress just has seemed pretty feckless...they wanted sound bites, but they didn’t want to take any action.” (20:38)

7. Double Standards and Political Imbalance

• References prosecutions of political adversaries versus lack of accountability for others:
  • “And why, I mean, they put Bannon in jail, they, they put Navarro in jail. ...Donald Trump went through all of these court cases...but the people who were truly committing the crimes...have never paid any price for that.” (21:04–21:57)

8. Cultural, Political, and Generational Dynamics

• Frustration with younger generation’s political disengagement:
  • “This is not something that happens overnight. Republicans need to take back a bigger majority. ...You’ve got to get back into the position where you have the ability ...to bring the country back to what it was supposed to be.” (22:54)
• The need for grassroots activism:
  • “But nothing helps better than having a thousand phone calls lighten up a congressman’s phones...Tons of emails from within the district saying, you better step up and make sure that you pursue this. Those kind of things actually do make a difference...” (24:17)

9. Long-term Marxist Influence and Educational Capture

• Gohmert recounts discussions with David Horowitz:
  • “...our motto of the communist leaders behind the scenes then is the same that they have now. And that is the worse, the better. The more chaos we can help create, the better it is, the closer we are to having our Marxist takeover.” (28:23)
• Describes leftist influence over generations through academia:
  • “...when the riots and the bombs and the murder and all mayhem didn’t work, what did they do? They went to universities, they got tenure and started teaching future teachers to teach children that Marxism was a great thing...” (29:25)

10. Personal Perspective: Soviet Union Experience

• Gohmert relates living in the Soviet Union as transformative:
  • “I saw it. I saw communism, socialism, Marxism, whatever you want to call it. I don’t want it. And I don’t want it for my kids. I don’t want it to here in the United States.” (31:26)

11. Separation of Powers & The Deep State

• Fears over deep state overreach, referencing Jack Smith and government agencies:
  • “...the separate branches of government is what makes America so strong. And to think that that was compromised and so willingly compromised, and it has to be compromised by multiple people. ...the deep state is a serious issue...” (33:34–34:12)
  • “Yeah, it was much deeper than even [Trump] thought. ...there’s still a lot of deep state there. And it’s still working behind the scenes.” (34:12)

12. Judicial Accountability and Proposals for Reform

• Discusses need for impeaching judges for bad behavior:
  • “I think it’s time to start impeaching judges for bad behavior when they don’t recuse themselves...Bozberg shouldn’t be sitting on any case that involves Trump or anybody...this guy is so biased...he shouldn’t be allowed near that.” (39:23)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On prosecutorial overreach:
  • “This is really just the epitome of a constitutional crisis right here.” — Louie Gohmert (07:55)
• On the scope of surveillance:
  • “They brought these people in and they said, this is critical because...we’re looking at whether or not they were trying to overturn an election. Do you believe that they lied to the grand jury to get these records?” — Tudor Dixon (06:17)
• Historical Comparison:
  • “This is more of an effort to just try to find something, anything more along the lines of what Stalin talked about.” — Louie Gohmert (05:59)
• Whistleblowers’ Safety:
  • “Jim Jordan and I...talking about FBI agents...there are people in the DOJ that are suborning perjury. ...Just so they can get warrants.” — Louie Gohmert (09:54)
• On activism:
  • “Nothing helps better than having a thousand phone calls lighten up a congressman’s phones. ...Those kind of things actually do make a difference...” — Louie Gohmert (25:03)
• Enduring wisdom from Justice Scalia:
  • “No, we’re the freest nation in the world because our founders did not trust government. So they tried to put as many impediments in the way of making laws, of preventing government from getting in our private business. That’s why we’re free.” — Louie Gohmert relaying Justice Scalia’s answer (41:11)

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Essential Timestamps for Key Segments

• Surveillance Allegations and Personal Targeting: 03:01–04:59
• Grand Jury and Legal Process: 05:15–06:53
• Scope and Motivation of Investigations: 07:55–09:25
• Legislative and Judicial Safeguards Violated: 11:30–13:59
• Telecoms’ Role & Privacy: 14:46–15:23
• Accountability, Congressional Response, and Political Double Standards: 18:03–22:54
• Grassroots Activism & Lessons from the Left: 24:17–27:28
• David Horowitz, Marxism, and Education: 27:39–30:27
• Soviet Union Experience and Dangers of Authoritarianism: 31:26–33:34
• Deep State Concerns: 33:34–34:38
• Judicial Accountability Initiatives: 38:30–40:40
• Justice Scalia Anecdote on Freedom and Government: 40:51–42:13
• Call to Civic Engagement and Closing Thoughts: 42:13–43:12

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Episode Tone

The discussion is urgent and passionate, featuring a blend of legal, historical, and personal anecdotes. Gohmert is blunt, frequently indignant, and unambiguously partisan, reflecting deep anger over what he characterizes as a weaponized justice system and a failure of American institutions to protect liberty. Dixon is supportive, framing the discussion as a call to civic action and government reform.

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Overall Summary

This episode offers a detailed, critical look at allegations of federal overreach, painting a picture of systemic bias, legal abuse, and a drift toward authoritarianism. Gohmert’s testimony, given his direct experience, adds gravity, while both he and Dixon argue vehemently for greater public participation, congressional fortitude, and judicial reform. The conversation is a rallying cry for conservative activism and vigilance against perceived encroachments on constitutional order.

Transcript

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[Tudor Dixon]

I am here with former congressman from Texas, Louie Gohmert, who is out there telling the world what happened behind the scenes. It sounds like it's worse than Watergate. We have had our congressmen and women spied on by the Biden administration. Congressman Gohmert, thank you so much for joining me today.

[Louie Gohmert]

Tudor thanks so much for having me.

[Tudor Dixon]

So I'm reading through what exactly happened. We've talked about this a few times on the show, but there hasn't been anybody that really has the detail, obviously, that you have because you were one of the people that was spied on by Jack Smith, right?

[Louie Gohmert]

That's right. That's right. And initially, you know, there was information that came out that some of the senators had been spied on. They had gotten their information for a few days.

And then there was some information that Jim Jordan was spied on because the Judiciary Committee had been trying to find out exactly whether or not he was they had gotten his information. And then I got a call from the investigators with Grassley's inter Grassley's committee, and they were saying, hey, we got documents that show they were coming after your records and hundreds of others.

Some, a lot of members of Congress, a lot of Republican groups that they were coming after, and they were doing it with grand jury subpoenas. Tudor, that means they didn't necessarily have to have probable cause at all. And having been a former prosecutor and a felony judge in Texas before I came to Congress, I know a lot about grand juries handle grand juries. And it's easy for an unethical prosecutor to abuse that process. And that's exactly what I believe you had here with Jack Smith in this arctic frost project he had.

Now, the Fourth Amendment assures that there's protection from inappropriate searches and seizures, that you can't do that without having probable cause that a crime was committed and this person committed probably committed a crime and that you have to describe with particularity exactly what you're looking for. There was none of that because.

[Tudor Dixon]

Well, let's go back a little bit for people who don't understand what this was. This is the investigation into January 6th. Is that correct?

[Louie Gohmert]

Well, it turns out it wasn't just into January 6th. They were getting they were getting records well before January 6th, well after January 6th. And we're trying to it's a great question, Tudor, because we're trying to get the scope of just how much of the records they were scooping up. This is more of an effort to just try to find something, anything more along the lines of what Stalin talked about. You show me the man, as he said, and basically I'll make up a crime to pin on him. And that's what happened with President Trump. And it appears that's what they were doing with hundreds of the rest of us. It wasn't just combined to trying to research January 6, but that's what they.

[Tudor Dixon]

Presented to the grand jury. Correct? I mean, they brought these people in and they said, this is critical because we were, we're looking at whether or not they were trying to overturn an election. Do you believe that they lied to the grand jury to get these records? And then they went way past what they said they were going to do.

[Louie Gohmert]

Because of the scope of what they requested. I'm willing to bet that they came in with reams of paper with names and information, and had somebody say, look, all of these people we believe.

Had some role in some way, and we just need you to sign off on these so that we can go get all of the information about who they were talking to and, you know, what they were doing, where they were, we can get location, we get all this kind of information, but we don't actually know the full extent of what they got. And so then you get a grand jury foreman to sign off on that. They didn't have time to go through and, and talk about each individual in those documents. I don't believe they did that for a minute. How many people are there, reams of paper of. With all these names on them. And then they go, they did go before a judge, we know that, because they got an order from the judge saying, hey, all these people, all these entities were requesting the records from. You can't tell these people that were. That you're giving up these records because we think they will flee the country or they will destroy evidence or they will intimidate witnesses like, like Jim Jordan, me, Ted Cruz, we're going to flee the country. Really, that's just so outrageous what they did. And for a federal judge to sign an order like that and knowing that there was no probable cause whatsoever ever shown this, this is really just the epitome of a constitutional crisis right here.

[Tudor Dixon]

How do they so. So walk me through the process. How do they choose the, the grand jury? How do they get this even started? How do they get to the point where it seems acceptable behind the scenes or in the Department of Justice, that this is what's happening.

[Louie Gohmert]

Oh, that's a great question, Tudor. When it comes to the selection of the grand jury.

This is in the District of Columbia, and we know 95% of the voters there voted for somebody besides Trump. And they could. It's very easy to manipulate the system, to have made sure that you had a grand jury, that every one of them hated President Trump. That would have been very easy and probably is most likely. And so that's what you're looking at. We're not talking about fair, fairness, equity, justice. We're talking about people that hated Trump and hated the people that supported him. Good question. So. But a judge should have said, wait a minute. You're not just looking at individuals there. There's not just the Fourth Amendment search and seizure issue here. You're also talking about members of Congress. In the Senate, there is another privilege on top of just the normal Fourth Amendment, and that is the congressional privilege. Because of the separation of powers, there's a congressional privilege. We have people contact us, constituents that give us private that the executive branch has no right to ever see any of. And then there's also whistleblowers. And Jim Jordan and I, back at this time, we were talking about FBI agents who were contacting us and were saying there are people in the DOJ that are suborning perjury. They're demanding that we sign affidavits that we know are lies just so they can get warrants.

[Tudor Dixon]

Wow.

[Louie Gohmert]

Chilling effect when they find out that the FBI, the doj, are grabbing our records without our knowledge so they can see who's been calling us. That stuff is never supposed to be in the hands of the FBI, the doj, the executive branch. And that. That goes back to a case of William Jefferson in 2006, who was convicted appropriately of selling access to his office. He got bribes, found $90,000 of cold hard cash in his freezer, that he got paid, and they got a search warrant to search his home. Sounded like very appropriate as somebody who had signed search warrants. Sound like they had plenty of probable cause. And it sounded like they had plenty of probable cause to search his office. But for the history of Congress, if there was a search warrant to search a member of Congress's office or senator's office, you went to House counsel and said, we have a warrant to collect these things from that office, and the DOJ would not get to go in and gather all the material. You would have this third party House counsel go in those attorneys would grab all the material and they would go through and determine what was privileged, like whistleblowers information. They would keep that separate, and they would make sure that only the material that was not privileged and that fit the warrant went to the doj. And Mueller was the FBI director back then, and he wanted to stick it to Congress. So he, he not only got that warrant and ran it without telling House Counsel and took all that information. When, when it was appealed, the D.C. circuit Court of Appeals said, no, you can't do that. You, you, you can't go sorting through this information and then give back what you decide is privileged. That it doesn't work that way. You've got to have a third party outside the executive branch. And these things were violated in this Arctic Frost operation by Jack Frost Smith. And so they didn't care, nor did Federal Judge Boasberg care at all. And so all of these people need to be held accountable. All of Jack. Jack Smith, all his people, and Boseberg, they all need to be held accountable for trying to take down a political party. And thank goodness that, really, literally, thank God that Don Donald Trump won, because if he didn't, we would. We would be losing a political party, and the one that was headed toward Marxism would be the one taken over.

[Tudor Dixon]

But I, I think that we have to look at this from an even broader standpoint. This is the new age of technology where all of your records are. Are easily accessible on your cell phone. I mean, you. You talk about what happened in 2006. I mean, think about before cell phones. For this to happen, somebody. This would mean the DOJ would go break into someone's office without permission and take everything, all their mail, everything. So it's the same exact thing. They don't have permission to truly take all these phone records. I think one of the things that I found most interesting in your op ed was that Verizon turned everything over and AT and T was like, this doesn't seem like we can do this.

[Louie Gohmert]

Yeah.

[Tudor Dixon]

No.

[Louie Gohmert]

Isn't that true? Yeah. AT&T and some of the others are going, wait a minute. We're talking about members of Congress and all here.

We think you. You don't need a subpoena. You really need a warrant. And this needs to be fought out in court. They need to be notified. They need a chance to come in and question whether or not you have probable cause. This. This isn't something you just come in and grab. This is serious stuff. They. They saw that this was a very serious issue. And you point out so correctly to.

[Tudor Dixon]

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[Tudor Dixon]

What happens now? I mean, for, for those of you who had Verizon, who've had your personal phone records gone through, and, and the, and that's something that it's, you know, you can't put that genie back in the bottle. I mean, that toothpaste is out of the tube. So who has that information? What's happening and what do you do now to go after Jack Smith? I see that he was subpoenaed by Jim Jordan. I think that's a good start. But what, what do you see in that process?

[Louie Gohmert]

Yeah. Well, normally, if somebody is going to be prosecuted, you don't call them as a witness. Very first thing if they're going to be investigated. The way you build the case is you talk to the people around them, the people that were working for them, and you build a case and you get up to that person. If you're wanting sound bites, you bring that person in and question them. And that's what we've done traditionally in Congress. And it drove me crazy because we'd call them in, we'd have a hearing, we'd get sound bites whether it was Hillary Clinton, Lois Lerner taking the Fifth, that kind of thing. And, yeah, made for good theater and whatnot. But, but it, nobody was ever held accountable. But we, we've got to do more than that. We have got to have cases made. And actually.

Tom Fitton's Judicial Watch, Sean Donegan is helping me. We're digging, we're trying to find out what all has happened to all this information. And we intend to take, you know, action in the courts and pursue these people. But hopefully we will have enough to get the DOJ to pursue people for the malicious actions they took that I believe will end up being criminal and violating criminal statutes. And that's the only way it's ever going to stop. We've seen the breaches like this of, of criminal code going back years, and nobody has ever been held accountable. And the more you let people get away with it without holding them accountable, then the worse it has gotten over the years. So Congress just has seemed pretty feckless. And I can tell you, Tudor, that since Newt Gingrich's first term as speaker, we haven't had a Republican speaker willing to, to take strong action to hold people accountable. Boehner, Ryan, you know, they, they wanted sound bites, but they didn't want to take any action. We voted to hold Eric Holder in contempt but they were scared to death to do anything beyond that. Just give us the sound bites from hearings. But nothing happened.

[Tudor Dixon]

And why, I mean, they put Bannon in jail, they, they put Navarro in jail. I mean, this is not, it's a, it's very one sided. Why are we so generous? I mean, you're right about the sound bites. I won't forget Hillary Clinton with her. What difference at this point does it make on Benghazi? You know, these were soundbites that potentially, potentially that affected her campaign. But there were people who lost their lives. These are things that people need to be held accountable for. And you look at the alternative. I mean, Donald Trump went through all of these court cases that were phony court cases and they tried to rob him blind of all of his money. They tried to put him in prison. But the people who are truly committing the crimes, I mean even the people who were spying on him before he was elected in 2016 have never paid any price for that.

[Louie Gohmert]

None. And, and unfortunately the DOJ waited until the last minute on limitations for to do anything about Comey. It still remains to be seen whether those charges will hold up if they did it appropriately. But we've got, we've got some time on the people, Jack Smith and all of those that tried to destroy an entire political party and make it a one party country. And that party mainly moving Marxists. So, but, but things have, we, we can no longer allow people who have violated the law trying to destroy another party to get away with it. They, there have got to be consequences. And, and you get it obviously. But we have got to have leaders in the House and Senate that get it and understand how serious this is.

[Tudor Dixon]

I think this is my frustration with this younger generation that is waffling on whether or not they want to be in Congress and retiring early and all of this. Like, you know, it's not what I thought it was. I can't have the impact that I thought I could. But this is not something that happens overnight. Republicans need to take back a bigger majority. You can't do anything when you have a two person majority or a one person majority. You've got to get back into the position where you have the ability, ability to bring the country back to what it was supposed to be. I mean, last in Tennessee this week, we almost lost an election or we thought we were going to lose an election to a radical. And when I say radical, I mean someone who openly said she hated the district that she wanted to serve. And yet look at the number of people that Came out to vote for her. And this is what we're fighting. We're fighting against. The guy in Virginia who says he wants to see his opponent's children dead gets elected. Mom. Donnie, who says that he wants to put prostitutes on the street, gets elected. You've got. The person in Seattle gets elected. You say Marxists. Absolutely. We are headed that direction. And yet I just don't see us waking up to the. To. To really the effort we need to put in to preserve and protect and punish what has gone on.

[Louie Gohmert]

Yeah, well, one of the most frustrating things I heard during my 18 years in Congress as a Christian was other Christians in Congress when I was trying to get them fired up. Come on, we've got to do something here. We can't let this go. Lily, just chill. Just calm down. God's in control. And that would so frustrate me. And there's a preacher in Denton that I heard had the perfect response, and that is. Just because God's in control doesn't mean he wants you to lean on your shovel and pray for a hole. You know, God's given everybody tools, and he expects you to. Yeah, pray, but pray while you're using the tools he gave us. And when you're in Congress, you've got tools to use. And. And let me tell you, tutor even people that are reluctant to do things that they may be uneasy about. Well, maybe we may be going out on a limb on this or that. It's to save the country, for heaven's sake, but nothing helps better than having a thousand phone calls lighten up a congressman's phones. And they got to be from the district because they make sure. Wow. Thousand people in my district said they'll never vote for me again unless I step up and make sure this happens. Tons of emails from within the district saying, you better step up and make sure that you pursue this. Those kind of things actually do make a difference when. When people in the district got so mad that they took those steps, then we actually got some action done by people. And. And. And you had Congress members willing to say to Boehner, look, I know I said I was going to go this way, but my constituents are so mad if I don't go. If we don't do something here, I'm not going to get reelected. So I really need to be doing something.

[Tudor Dixon]

Maybe that. That's the activism we need, because we are. They have. On the left. They have done a great job activating people, getting people involved. I mean, you know, we see. I'll tell You. A few months ago, we went to an event on the east side of Michigan, and they had a little protest there. They were protesting me speaking, and, you know, people laughed. Oh, this was a protest of 10 people. Ha ha, ha. And we made note. This is. This is them keeping people involved. Doesn't matter if it's 10 people. They've talked about it, they've promoted it. They're keeping people involved. This is. This is the grassroots part that the left gets, the community organizing that Barack Obama promoted so heavily that the left gets that the right is not getting. And that. That comment you made about trust in God, you didn't get there. You didn't get to be in Congress because you're great if you believe that God put you there and you are the hands and feet and he is expecting you to work. I mean, the. The Garden of Eden wasn't a place to relax. They had to keep it up.

[Louie Gohmert]

Yeah. Even when. Before the fall from grace.

[Tudor Dixon]

Yes, yes.

[Louie Gohmert]

God gave him a job. You tend the garden, you got a job to do. But let me tell you, though.

You know, I'm a senior fellow with David Horowitz Freedom center. And David was a friend. He was so brilliant, but he was one of the top communist leaders in the country back in the late 60s, early 70s. And I asked him one time, and we lost him this year. What a great loss. And Charlie Kirk, by the way, did a great tribute to him at the small little memorial we had. And then. And in fact, that's where I met Charlie the first time we became friends. And David had him come in, and Charlie said. He introduced me to all these big donors and said, we ought to help this young guy because he's going to do great things. And that helped him get a nest egg to go with Turning Point. So it's amazing how interrelated these are. But. But David, I said, you know, David, you. When. Back when you were a communist leaders, you guys were. Were planning riots and protests at the 68 Democrat convention that was going to nominate Hubert Humphrey. That may have been the most liberal national president candidate to that point. And. And the Republicans were nominating Richard Nixon. I mean, he. He had been anti communist before he became vice president. Why were you going after Humphrey? And he said, well, you got to remember our motto of the communist leaders behind the scenes then is the same that they have now. And that is the worse, the better. The more chaos we can help create, the better it is, the closer we are to having our Marxist takeover. And he said, so Humphrey helped us out because he supported the war in Vietnam. So that helped us get people out to protest the convention. But we were also concerned if Humphrey, as liberal as he was, got elected president, it might be harder to get people out rioting during his presidency. And we figured if Nixon was elected president, it'd be a lot easier to get people rioting all through his presidency. So these guys are playing the long game. They're. They're thinking ahead. They're wanting to create chaos. And. And our people are just. Have been sitting back too long and letting. And by the way, when the riots and the bombs and the murder and all mayhem didn't. Didn't work, what did they do? They went to universities, they got tenure and started teaching future teachers to teach children that Marxism was a great thing, socialism was a great thing. And now we've had generations come to voters, and they're. Now they're voters and they think socialism is a beautiful thing.

[Tudor Dixon]

Oh, yeah. We just talked to somebody who said that young teachers are increasingly coming out of universities today. And they are saying, I've been told I am a political tool and that my job is to go into the schools and be a political tool. Think about that. We look at the country today, we are robbing our kids of a future. And that is what is so sad to me. And I don't think. And I don't blame these teachers. I think that they have been in the system where they're told, this is your goal. But instead these kids are not. They're not getting to learn to read. They're not getting to learn to do math. And those are years these kids never get back. That's the thing that is so tragic to me is that we have allowed this cancer to infiltrate our country to a point where it has robbed kids of their future. And in turn then that chaos eventually causes a downfall. And that's when Marxism can creep in and communism can creep in.

[Louie Gohmert]

Yeah. And one of the things that still motivates me, Tudor, is between my sophomore and junior year in college, I got shoved in. I wouldn't have applied on my own, but the head of the student center at Texas A and M pushed me into this exchange program. I had two years of rushing, pushed me into this exchange program, spent the summer on exchange program in the Soviet Union when it was the real Soviet Union. And I. I saw it. I saw communism, socialism, Marxism, whatever you want to call it. I don't want it. And I don't want it for my kids. I don't want it to here in the United States. But it is. And, and I've had really wonderful people, young people, say, but, you know, socialism sounds kind of like a Christian idea, you know, sharing, share alike and going, you have to have such a totalitarian government that can take from those that are producing and give to themselves. And that's what you have. Yes. You have everybody equal in misery. And then all of these at the top. It is a miserable thing. And by the way, of course, Stalin, communism is historically, killed more people, many times more people than Hitler ever did. Stalin killed many times more than Hitler did. Mao killed many times more than Stalin did. It is a brutal, brutal form of government. And thank goodness, thank God, really, that David Horowitz came to see, Wait, what am I doing this? This is so wrong. This is not a good system, this communism stuff. And he, he turned a corner and became one of the greatest advocates for freedom and for free enterprise in America. And he spent the rest of his life doing that.

[Tudor Dixon]

But when we look at what happened with Jack Smith and the behind the scenes of investigating and really stealing the information of a different branch of government, and that's the separate branches of government is what makes America so strong. And to think that that was compromised and so willingly compromised, and it has to be compromised by multiple people. It's not like one person who went rogue. We already have this in that the deep state. And the deep state is a serious issue that people laughed at Donald Trump the first time when he said, no, we're getting rid of the deep state. But I mean, good grief, look at what we've seen now.

[Louie Gohmert]

Yeah, it was much deeper than even he thought.

[Tudor Dixon]

Yeah.

[Louie Gohmert]

And it really kind of overwhelmed him that first term. And there's still a lot there. I'm telling you, Tudor, there's still a lot of deep state there. And it's, it's still working behind the scenes. And I'm telling you, if they get the majority back, it's going to make its presence known in more impeachment proceedings. But.

We can't let that happen. We can't let that happen. And I appreciate your efforts in trying to avoid that.

[Tudor Dixon]

Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on the Tudor Dixon podcast.

[Louie Gohmert]

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[Tudor Dixon]

People need to understand before I was involved in the political world, which was not that many years ago. This is not politics, was not my life. It was not what I thought about all the time it was not like I was, oh, this is a midterm year. Not that many people are going to come out, people who are not as engaged as you and I. They need to be activated. And that's why it is so important to get out there and talk to people about voting, making sure that we are just as on the scene as the Democrats. Because this is going to be a critical election year and we cannot let Donald Trump have his, his last two years as president robbed from him.

[Louie Gohmert]

Yeah, well, it'll be robbed from the people because spend them having to answer to impeachment after impeachment and destroying any chance of getting the government back on track. And so, yeah, this is so important, important. And the DOJ can't sit on this, hopefully. Oh, and by the way, the.

It'S really, hopefully more legacy of David Horowitz. He did a book and he named names of the, the biggest communist professors in America. Big thick book called the Professors. And so Daniel Greenfield said, louie, we need, we're going to do a project and you, you kind of inspired it about the judges. We're going to have a judicial accountability project. We're going to do files, dossier, call it put together on all the judges that are activists that are acting unethically, that they're violating their good behavior because, you know, Article three, Section one says they only get to be judges during their good behavior. It doesn't say they have to commit a crime, high crime, misdemeanor. It says they only sit during their good behavior. And I know we've never impeached a judge before for bad behavior unless it was a crime. But I think it's time to start impeaching judges for bad behavior when they don't recuse themselves because the law says they shall disqualify themselves if their impartiality might reasonably be questioned. Well, Bozberg shouldn't be sitting on any case that involves Trump or anybody that that is part of the Trump administration or supported Trump. This guy is so biased, he's so angry at people that Trump and others that support him, he shouldn't be allowed near that. And I think it's time to impeach him over it. But these are things that need to be taken up. And the David Horowitz Freedom center will be putting that together and present it to the Freedom, I'm sorry, the Judiciary committees of the House and Senate. And hopefully they will do something and not just be content to say, well, isn't this interesting? Because we've got to, to check put a Check on the judicial system.

And. And that's. That's it. And just one final note. I love Justice Scalia, and I miss him.

I had a group coming from my hometown, Tyler senior citizens, to Washington. I asked them, is there anything I can do for you while you're there? They said, yeah, we'd like to meet Justice Scalia. I'm going, that's a big ask. They're really busy. And I called over, and, yeah, I mean, when they set up a room and so Scalia comes in, they're all sitting there, and he leans against the table, said, okay, Constant Gomer said, you want to meet me? Here I am. If you want to meet me, you must have questions. And they were all just taken aback. Well, you know. And he said, come on. You want to meet me, you must have questions. And one of them finally said, would you say we're the freest country in the world because we have the best Bill of Rights? And Scalia said, oh, gosh, no. No, the Soviet Union had better Bill of Rights than we have. No, we're the freest nation in the world because our founders did not trust government. So they tried to put as many impediments in the way of making laws, of preventing government from getting in our private business. That's why we're free. They didn't trust government. And he went through all the impediments they tried to put in the way of government getting involved in people's private business. It was really a beautiful thing. But that's what I come back to Scalia saying, no, we've been freest because our founders did not trust government.

[Tudor Dixon]

I think that's why. That's what we grew up knowing and understanding. And that's what young people are missing today. I mean, last night I was over at my mom's house, and she said, I look at what's happening, and I just think it's time for me to be gone, because this is not the world I lived in. But once the boomers are gone, who's going to protect the country? And I said, okay, first of all, no. And secondly, we are like, this is why we're here. We're not letting this happen. We're going to continue to fight. And that's why those people that you talk to in Congress, they needed to get off their duffs and make sure they were still in the fight. And I appreciate everything you did. I. I mean, I remember talking to you when you were in Congress and how hard you were fighting. You were one of the few and we appreciate that. And I love that you are still fighting. I love that you're still out there. I read what you wrote and I was so impressed with it. You are always you. You are a great mentor and a great fighter. So Congressman Louie Gohmert, thank you so much.

[Louie Gohmert]

Thank you Tutor. You're. You're so kind. And thank you for just being on top of everything. You really are. Thank you so much.

[Tudor Dixon]

Well, I appreciate it. Thank you and and thank you all for listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. As always, you can get it on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and watch the whole thing on Rumble or YouTube @Tutor Dixon. Join us next time and have a blessed day.

[Louie Gohmert]

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