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The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Maduro Raid, Covert Ops & Expert Breakdown with David Rutherford
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Tudor Dixon
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Tudor Dixon
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. So are you wondering how we were able to go into Venezuela in the middle of the night and take Nicholas Maduro out of his bed literally like from his bedroom with no casualties? I have been wondering this so recently. I read this story that is supposedly a firsthand hand account of someone who is on the ground and I wanted to share it with you. And then I have to get an expert opinion because I read this and I was like, this is sci fi stuff. Like this cannot be. But I think it's so, so cool. And I kind of like, hope it is true. So this guy, he claims that what happened that night is that they're outside. These are guards, okay? They're outside, they see a bunch of drones. They see these drones just coming in mass, and then all of a sudden everything goes dark. Like all the power goes out. Nothing works. None of their walkie talkies, none of their phones, none of their communications devices work at all. Everything's just dead. Then they hear helicopters overhead. So it's like dark. All you see is the night sky. You hear these helicopters. I mean, this has to be pretty freaky, like, what's going on? So then the guy says he sees men in the. Against the night sky dropping from the helicopters, but they're not like any soldier he's ever seen. He was like, whatever gear they were in, he said it was terrifying. These guys are dropping from the helicopters and then suddenly this like sound wave hits them. And he said everyone around him and including him, they just flew fall to the ground, they have their noses bleeding, they start throwing up, they can't function. He said it was the worst thing he has ever experienced. And his report, he said, look, I never want to fight the United States. I don't know what did this to us, but it was horrible. So we go in, we take this murderous dictator from his bed, no casualties. And I'm like, outside of this guy saying this, how would we do it if this didn't actually exist? So I was like, I gotta talk to David Rutherford, because I know he's going to know this. He's a former Navy seal, CIA contractor. He's the host of the David Rutherford show here on the Clay and Buck podcast network. So, David, thank you for coming back to the podcast. What happened in Venezuela?
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David Rutherford
Oh, my God, they're ninjas, man. It was like flying ninjas came out of the sky. And I've said this repeatedly over the last few weeks. This is. This was the coolest op I've ever seen. I mean, hands down, anybody. And I, you know, I was a part of the G. W.A.T. i worked for the teams, I worked for Blackwater. I worked for the agency for 10 years from, you know, the first part of the war all the way through the bin Laden raid when I was in Pakistan before and after that, and. And I had a Ton of buddies at the Tier one units which are by far the best military units on the planet. There's nobody that can compete with, with Dev Group and Delta. They're just the elite of the. And when I heard about this first it was like, oh my God. The thing that really caught me was the drone swarm that we used and we've all seen that in the videos with Ukraine. So we know that technology's real and we know that they're doing some really unique things not only with surveillance, but explosives and tracks.
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Tudor Dixon
What does that do though? Why the drone? I mean for someone who knows nothing, what is happening in that swarm?
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David Rutherford
So to go back in terms of technology advancements, we have been working on direct energy weapons of some kind for you could argue 80 years plus, right post World War II we've been trying to get, move forward with things mostly to counteract nuclear threats. And in the 70s we created something called an EMP, an electromagnetic pulse. And the idea behind that is a device can push out a pulse that essentially jams any, let's say the easiest way, Bluetooth technology. So Bluetooth technology or any electronic feeds that go in the ionosphere, right, and that's communications, that's any type of imagery or whatever it might be, alarm systems. And so the idea is you come over with these drone swarms and they can release a type of an EMP that downs all, all, all of their defensive postures, right, all their defensive capabilities, whether it's, it's alarm systems, surveillance systems, infrared systems, holographic systems, you name it, this electromagnetic pulse shuts all of that down. Now again, you know, I haven't been able to confirm any of that yet. I haven't talked to any guys that are still active, my other guys that are still kind of trying to figure it out themselves. So I don't want to say anything for sure, but the other side of that, very realistically that we also had people internal, we had people that were participating, we have had a relationship, you know, our CIA has had a relationship very substantially within, seeking assets and sources within the Venezuelan government, within the Venezuelan cartels, within the Venezuelan financial systems. I mean obviously. So there's also a high degree of possibility that we had somebody within Maduro's government that could help maybe flip a switch or turn some stuff off. You know, maybe somebody turned off the anti aircraft devices or the radar systems to help us. So that's a, that's a possibility too. But most likely this drone system came in and it could have also been some type of AWACS if you remember the AWACS planes that have the big dome on top and there are communication and they would fly those over a battle space to make sure all communications and signal, you know, it was, it could suck signals, signal hits and all types of transmission. So it could be something like that, a new, a new aerial device that's outfitted with some type of pulse system that shuts all their electronic surveillance down. So that's the first piece of this. And just that alone changes the battlefield in ways nobody can fathom. Because the most essential part of any takedown, strike or hit is going to be your ability to communicate. Right. That's the only way you can coordinate, especially with no lights on. Maybe you don't, you're not equipped with infrared, you know, monoculars or night vision or anything. And so you know, it's your radio systems that, and if those don't work then, then you're in trouble. The other aspect that you brought up which, you know, fast roping and I've, I've done my fair share fast roping on tops of buildings. And I'll tell you what, when you've got, you know, 130 pounds of kid on and you're fast roping 90ft on, you know, and you don't even put your feet on the rope, you just kind of slide down and hit and go. That in and of itself is, is, is dangerous as you can get. But these guys, like I said, they train 300 plus days out of the year. I mean that's, this is what they do, they are the best of the best. And the other aspect, the thing that really caught my eye in that security guards report was two things. One, the speed with which they were able to enter and move through the building. Now the thing I don't know if you, you've seen recently, but Palmer Luckey at Andrill, they designed these new modern helmets. And the helmets have these heads up displays that can cycle through infrared or the heat seeking. I forget what it's called, I'm sorry.
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Tudor Dixon
And you just are seeing this like my heads up display on my car that tells me how fast I' they're seeing this in front of their eyes.
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David Rutherford
Yeah, but they're also seeing where every guy is in their, in their, their movement, their element moving through. They're seeing an overhead of response on the ground. What he did was basically recreated the, the heads up display that you, you have in Call of Duty, which the video game and that is crazy.
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Tudor Dixon
So this really is like what we've seen in the movies is now truly happening 100%.
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David Rutherford
So I'm good friends with Sean Ryan and he recently went to a big defense tech thing and he calls me afterwards and he's like, hey, man, like, we are obsolete. I think I was like, what? I'm not obsolete. What are you talking about? I can still shoot. He's like, no, you have no idea. There's. They're wearing exoskeletons, they're wearing these new helmets.
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Tudor Dixon
So that's what they said. They didn't look human. So what does that mean? They're wearing an exoskeleton.
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David Rutherford
So they've had a multi billion dollar system in development, the Iron man suit, as it's infamously called, in development since the early 2000s. And there's kind of a famous seal that transitioned, became a woman, then transitioned back because he got caught up in the cult or whatever. And his name's Chris and he's one of the smartest seals I've ever. I used to go to him when I was at Team one and he was on the original iron suit development program for SOCOM in Tampa. And at that time, this was back the early 2000s, the budget was like $300 million to develop this thing. And that was. So if you figure they've been in development of this and we've seen a lot of exoskeleton iterations be presented online and especially in the last few weeks, the question is, is in this particular situation, is it going to be the best for them to be able to utilize? I mean, they were up against a sizable. And my thing is, is definitely had the modern helmets for sure. But dude, that I'm not so sure about the exoskeleton because, you know, again, and I'm not 100%, I don't know, but what it. The thing, the one that really got me was the potentiality of the directed energy weapon that creates disorientation. That's a whole nother level. And we've been developing those since the first part of the g wat for crowd control. And they actually have these big sound emitting directed devices that they would put on the top of Humvees. And if a crowd got crazy, they drive these things out and they'd shoot these. And it's, it's, you know, it's piercing in your brain. I mean, it's like, it's, it, it's a horrible feeling. Then they have, in fact, Peter Doocy. There's a clip of him that's been written right with the heat weapon. So now think about it. If you could combine those two technologies of the heat weapon and the disorient, disorienting weapon into one device and shrink that down maybe into a wearable on some guy's chest, right? Because what we, we do go into battle wearing like hacksaws to breach, to do breaching or, or welding tools to burn through a hinge or to get into a door. And so guys are used to carrying hundreds of pounds of gear. So if they got this thing even remotely, they, it would be insane. Or you pull the helicopter that it's got on the nose or whatever it is, or the drone comes down on every. And just shoots these on every and every floor, right? It's not like a window is going to stop it.
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Tudor Dixon
Unless is this something that it has to like it has to be sitting there and it this or is it a one time thing? How does that happen? And then how long are you feeling this way?
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David Rutherford
So I've heard they, they can admit it for a good amount of time to where they completely incapacitate you. The strength of it obviously can be paralytic up to including death and. Yeah, for sure, absolutely. And now all of a sudden you, you get this. So we used to have to, for many, many forever we would take what's called a flashbang and it's like a little explosive grenade looking device. You pull it, you throw it in the hallway or in the door and it pops off and it creates a disorient. And then. And I'll tell you what, for my. When I was a new guy in my first platoon, we had flashbang appreciation day where they put all the new guys in a room and they threw like 20 of those things in at us and it rocks your world. It feels like you're getting punched, you know, in the guts, in the groin, in the face. It feels like an actual punch. And if you get enough of them, it's, it's completely disoriented. Well, now they have these devices which not only, you know, incapacitate you, but I mean bleeding from your nose and your ears, which is all a component of that can happen if, you know, when you get in. Like if you're electrocuted or you're whatever it might be that disorients your system. And what they were saying that it was disorienting the solid organs. So solid organs that don't have some type of. Maybe it's not hollow because there's fluid, but a way where when the thing penetrates through, it disperses. But solid organs don't do that. So a liver, right? Kidneys, they take that energy pulse and it's like, you know, you just took a freight train in your organs. So that could have caused. Could have caused disruption in the esophageal airways and the station tubes. Right. It could. All these. That. That's probably where the bleeding came from. It perforated the sinus cavities. Like, pop those. Pop the eustachian tubes and that. I've had a few perforated eardrums and diving, and it's just. It's the most painful thing. So now you've got a weapon designed to do that. And if a lot of people are like, that's ridiculous. All you gotta do is. Katherine Hendridge did some beautiful reporting on. Remember the Havana Syndrome story. Tutor. Yes, that's this. They're saying that's the same thing. That they would constantly have these. This directed energy weapon either pulsating or emitting these things to where it made people really, really sick. And I'm not sure if there was a cancer that emitted from. But. But I knew these people were. They. They became critically ill from the exposure to whatever this thing was. So you combine all of those things with the most elite fighter on the planet and, you know, I don't think those Cuban security guards stood a chance that.
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Tudor Dixon
No, I. That. And then we see that video of them bringing home those tiny boxes. Was that real?
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David Rutherford
I. I mean, it's. I think everything has to be for show, obviously, in those. Those areas in particular, for Cuba not to lose face. That was one of the things I asked. I had the former chief of station from Venezuela on last week, and I asked him, who were these guys? And, you know, what's the implication of this on a broader spectrum in the region? And because of Chavez's relationship with Castro, because they were kind of. He became his puppet, his puppeteer, and that's what he really developed. His internal ability to overthrow the Venezuelan government was from Cuban intelligence. And so that relationship was substantial up to. Including to where now Maduro, his inner circle were Cuban, you know, intelligence operatives. And so that.
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Tudor Dixon
What does that mean for us being so close to Cuba?
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David Rutherford
I. I would. So I. In a grander context, I believe this. This is the most cataclysmic shift of global power structure that we've seen probably since man. Since Lula won in Brazil. Going the other way. I think that was a tremendous negative impact. We saw it immediately from their president of the Supreme Court becoming the de facto ruler, shutting out all dissidents. Right. Because There was what, 4 million people in the streets saying the elections were rigged. And then the deeper thing, another thing I've been chasing lately is all, I'm not sure if you saw Lara Logan did this great piece with a guy named Gary Bernstein. And Gary was a career agency guy. He actually was one of the team leaders that led the agency and Delta and Dev Group into Afghanistan. And the jawbreaker teams they were called. He's won every award at the CIA but one. He's a guy it will. He and another guy named Martin Rodill, who was a Venezuelan American who was running human intelligence sources for the DEA for years against cartel. After 2020, they got together and started a real investigation into figuring out like who controls the source code of the electronic voting machines. And what they found out was that it was three. It was Chavez hired these three American Venezuelan guys who are from Boca Raton, Florida. And they designed the software that went in. Because what they did, the first voting machines in Venezuela were from an ATM machine. And these guys came in and they wrote the source code so the votes could be flipped in real time. And that's how Chavez beat the, the call to get him out of out of office in 05. So fast forward now, all sudden you have these guys who through humid sources, people deep inside Maduro's government came out and said that Maduro took this original company, which was smartmatic, right? Or I think it was Sequoia. Then smartmatic and then Dominion came in. Then there's some others. But Smartmatic, they say these, these guys allegedly, they say that Smartmatic has flipped 72 elections around the world.
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Tudor Dixon
World.
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David Rutherford
And that Venezuela has sold that business to all these major people around the world. China made a $600 million investment in it. Russia's made a multi million dollar investment. The Open Society Foundation, George Soros Foundation. The guy, this lord from England, he ran Smartmatic for years. And then for him doing that, he was appointed to the president or the CEO of Open Society Foundation Nationwide Global in London in 2020, right after 2020 elections. So the tie for this is one, you have an organization, a criminal organization with Maduro that's deeply connected to one of the most prolific cartels in the world. And when people think cartels, what, they automatically reset themselves on drug production and distribution. But cartels move guns, they move human beings. Like human beings we saw over, you know, during the Biden administration, with the flood of illegals coming in, human trafficking went through the roof. Because why you make more money on a human slave than you do on a single brick or kilo of cocaine or fentanyl or crack or whatever you're selling. Because a human you can continuously sell for years and years and years.
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Tudor Dixon
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on the Tudor Dixon Podcast.
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Tudor Dixon
The people in the United States do not hear that human trafficking is moving slaves. That is critical for people to understand that these people are used for the rest of their they're never free. That's the crazy part about what we're seeing with these riots and these protests is these people are owned. They're not free. You think that because ICE is taking them, they've been kidnapped all their life was taken a long time ago.
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David Rutherford
I I agree with you. I I think they're many of them are obviously victims of the system, right? And whether they're being Used as a mule, whether they're used as some type of slave or they're trying to get out of wherever they're trying to get out of. Because they've heard that, you know, it's particular in Minnesota, they're giving away free money. I mean, the Somali fraud at $8 billion. And what's interesting to me is all of this is interconnected in some capacity. Right? And so just to wrap up Maduro, you had a cartel that was selling drugs, people, whatever, distributing illegal sales of rare earth minerals, illegal sales of oil to the countries that have been sanctioned. And then you have this really unbelievable idea that their source code is in pretty much 90, 80% of all the electronic voting machines in the world, thereby putting whoever you want in Lula. Right. That was a sketchy election for sure. Now the question then, as you back up, is who are they partnering with and how is it interconnected? And I think at the center of a lot of this, obviously, is the former USAID people as well as the Open Society Foundation. I think what you see and their.
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Tudor Dixon
Partnership with China and Russia is very scary when you look at these, not only the minerals and the oil, but their connection to our being in our hemisphere, their connection to our country is very concerning. It's something that the Democrats won't even acknowledge. They acknowledged it before Donald Trump was in office. I should say that before we had President Trump, they were like, yeah, Maduro is a problem. This is sketchy. We can't let this happen. The minute President Trump is in office, they're willing to let China and Russia take all of South America. Why?
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David Rutherford
Well, all right, so Gary Bernstein talks about this and this guy's one of the most brilliant. I mean, he was a legend when I was at in the agency. And I think he's one of the greatest case officer, chief of stations, paramilitary case officer that our country's ever produced. Excuse me. And. And he says that after the GWAT started, all of our budget switched to ctc counterterrorism, in particular the Middle east, because the agency was running, right, the war in Afghanistan, that was an agency run war. And they were running, initially they were running Iraq until they completely bungled it by 06. And then that's when Stanley McChrystal, Petraeus all came in with this, our new updated coin, right. Our counterinsurgency model, which then we were able to regain back. And they took the gloves off Delta and Dev Group, and they just started getting rid of problems in a rapid way. But the way he describes it is when Obama Came in.
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Tudor Dixon
He.
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David Rutherford
Because of his relationships and what he wanted to do in South America, he basically reduced operations almost down to nothing in Central and South America. And I think when you take a step out and you look at the idea of immigration and where it began and where the idea of the flood was going to take place, you know, some people call it the Great Reset, some people call it the Great Replacement theory. Whatever you want to describe, there's truths within each one of those concepts. And I, what Gary said is that 08 through 2012, the op tempo and assets available to support our essential Monroe Doctrine or whatever it was or wasn't down in central South America almost went away to nothing. And at that point, that's when China, Russia, Iran, everybody flooded into South America because what the whole thing is about gaining access to rare earth minerals, gaining access to petroleum, gaining access one and then also an ability to be able to run guns, run people up into the hemisphere. And then when you look at, you know, 2020 to 2024, what we had, I mean, low estimates it's 15 million people come in. High estimates, people might say it's 30 million. So how many people, how many agents for China, how many agents for Venezuela, how many gang members, how many? I mean, Venezuela emptied their prisons.
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Tudor Dixon
So you're talking resources, weapons and proximity.
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David Rutherford
That's right.
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Tudor Dixon
That is very dangerous for us.
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David Rutherford
Well, it's a. Invasion, yes. I mean, and I think you know what we were talking about before we got on. I mean, when you look at kind of the mob and what they're doing, they're essentially using Saul Alinsky's playbook for revolution. And that's what we're seeing in the churches or on the streets of Minnesota. They're literally fighting against back, back against 8 billion in fraud. Minnesotans are fighting back against 8 million, 8 billion in fraud for this Somali community. And that's just Somalis. I mean, you look at Maine, it's happening in Maine, it's happening all over. And then now you go down and it's all, all these asylum seeking countries that are receiving, you know, 80, 70% of the population are on complete and comprehensive government welfare programs, which is what, what your electorate to keep you in office.
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Tudor Dixon
Absolutely. But I mean, I just am shocked by the average American. And we are talking truly the average American. And I believe that's who Renee Goode was, the average American. And they are putting their lives at risk. Obviously, she, we know what happened. She was shot because of her actions trying to block ice. And you brought it up before we Got on this episode, we're talking about the, the ICE agent who's like, we, can you please stop honking? We are trying to get a child sex predator off the streets. We're trying to protect you. And they, they don't care. What, how, what kind of brainwashing has to take place for mothers and average Americans to protect the worst of the worst.
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David Rutherford
I, I really believe it's indicative of, of where were their mothers 15 years, the mothers 10 years ago. So let's just call 10 years. I don't know if you're seeing all the 10 years ago in 20, in 2016, which makes me feel absolutely ancient right now. But where were they back then? So if you've got a mother that was, is 32 right now has, you know, is, is hardcore progressive left. She didn't learn that as a kid. Where she learned that, she learned that when she went to a university. She learned that when she, you know, whatever, you know, government she studied or world policy or, you know, whatever they studied, you know, it's proven that what, 95% of most universities are left leaning in terms of their, their, their, their staff. In some universities, you know, you look at University of Michigan, you look, you look at Wisconsin, University of Wisconsin, you look at some of the, I mean, these are hardcore feeder systems for radicalization. And if you don't believe me me, all you got to go back and look at the counterculture revolution of the late 1960s. I mean, Abby Hoffman and that whole crew, the Weather Underground, that all started in at the University of Michigan, right? And my parents were there during this time. And that doesn't just die and go away because somebody leaves office, they dig in and they want to radicalize. You know, and there's the famous old Russian KGB defector Bresna Yuri Breznoff, who has all those videos online that you can follow Apollo, who says, oh, they ask like, how long, how many generations does it take to demoralize a culture or society? He's like two, and you guys are already three into it.
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Tudor Dixon
So, yeah. Yes, that's what this is exactly. My fear is that we are already there and those of us who thought we were living the American dream were not paying attention to what was happening behind the scenes. And now I look at these people storming the church and, and it's not just, I mean, we are making fun of Don Lemon and we're obviously calling for prosecution of Don Lemon. But Don Lemon should know. I mean, at a certain point there were, and he was a journalist at the Time when journalists were actually learning that there are limitations there. There are laws. Like, you have to follow. Shocker. You have to follow the laws. And I cannot believe this is that they believe that they're gonna go into a church and battle the First Amendment with the First Amendment. Like your First Amendment right. Not as strong as mine. What is that argument?
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David Rutherford
I think it's the component of what revolutionaries do. Right. It doesn't matter what argument you put forth. The whole thing is to gain attention and then to demoralize. Right. And then destabilize.
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Tudor Dixon
And you made a great point. There's no one to say you're wrong. Wrong.
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David Rutherford
Yeah. Nobody's going to prosecute any of those. Those protesters for illegally entering the church, because there's probably a sign on the front of the church that says, all people welcome. Right? And so that's an open invitation. There's your. There's your counter argument. And then when you go in, you know, depending upon how long they stayed or where they asked to leave and how. Whatever. You know, it's. The other thing is just the sheer shock of being the pastor. I mean, when you looked at him with Don Lemon in his mic, in his face, he was like, I can't. Like, he was in shock. He's like, how is this happening right now? Is we've gone to this level, even the parishioners now, I'll tell you what. If I was in church and I carry a gun when I go to church, right? Like, if. If that's the case and I felt my family was threatened, like, things would go sideways, and that's what's going to happen, and that's what they want. They're going to go into a church in the wrong church, and they're going to get attacked by the parishioners, and then it's going to be this big story, and it's going to be the greater demonization of Christians, the demonization of white people, the greater demonization of religion and faith and all this stuff. And. And that's what they want. So that.
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Tudor Dixon
And that. Actually, I think most of us who are at church on Sundays, I watched that video and I watched. I watched every angle that I could, because I was watching the parishioners, and I'm thinking, here you are with your kids. You feel like this is the safest place you can be. And obviously, we know that there have been other attacks on churches, but I'm watching how they are. Are filing out quickly of their pews, and they're finding every exit. And I think me and probably half of the other people that saw that video across this country went, if this happens at our church, where's the nearest exit? How do I get my kids out of there? How do I make sure my children are safe? Because I don't trust for a second that you're right, that doesn't go sideways. I don't know what those people are carrying, carrying. I don't know what they, who they want to hurt. I don't know how they feel about Christians because there are enough people out there that have made it clear that they hate Christians, that I don't know what they're going to do. Look at what happened to Charlie. I mean, we are now at a new level of attack for any conservative and certainly a Christian.
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David Rutherford
I, I, that was part of my, my horrible predictions for 26, is that violence is a, is a really fascinating thing. You know, and there's a, I always recommend people, if you want to really get into the construct and ideology behind killing, there's a great book out there by a guy named Dave Grossman. It's called On Killing and it's a preferred reading for us in the soft community. A lot of police officers, there's one for police officers specifically called on combat and the idea of violence, right. Violence is tempered by what the backstop of whether or not you're going to be violent is whether or not you feel like first and foremost your life is in danger. And then that doesn't necessarily trigger violence back. That, that mostly triggers the flight of fight or flight. But as soon as you integrate people's families into that, then that the, it ceases to be the what the psychological restraint of, you know, hey, man, like.
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Tudor Dixon
The mama bear response.
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David Rutherford
That's right. It's the mama bear, pop bear. And when you, you trigger that. Because the worst thing you could ever do is disturb a violent man who doesn't want to be violent anymore. And that's what's happening because there's a lot of people out there that are, are just done with it. I, I watched a video this morning. Somebody was driving a suburban, it wasn't even like a modern suburban that had stuff. And some crazy jumped in front of this. The guy pulled over, got out and beat the snot out of this poor person that was thinking they were doing something. He's like. And just waylaying them on. That's what's going to continue. How it's, it's, and that's again, that's what they want. But in my opinion is what the line of Violence where. How do you establish it and then how do you justify holding the line? And I think that's where the American population, at least I think the, the right, if you will, that's getting tired even center. I think, you know what, we've seen the independent, independent numbers grow substantially in the last couple months. But I just think people are sick of the radicalization of protesting a la what Don Lemon was trying to spew out in front of us, that poor pastor like, oh, this is our First Amendment right. Right. Our ability to protest.
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Tudor Dixon
You know, and I'll just say that they are protecting really bad people. And I, And I don't know why, I don't know how they got this impression that they're protecting the good guys, but they're not. They are protecting the bad guys. And I look back at the election and I look back at Donald Trump was. Had two attempted assassinations against him. And that we know of, right? And the right didn't rise up and start. Start attacking people and going into churches or burning down buildings or, you know, we didn't charge radical college campuses and start screaming at kids. And then we lost Charlie in one of the most horrific ways possible in front of all of our young people. We had kids there and they were traumatized by what happened. And we celebrated God. And I look at that and I think, how can I possibly. Every single time one of these jerks on the mainstream media goes, but January 6th, I want to go. You know how much we've been through and we didn't ever go after you. We never went after you. Stop. You killed one of our strongest voices and we didn't go after you. Stop.
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David Rutherford
I just think, I actually think it's becoming a problem for the Republican Party right now. I think part of the division that you're seeing is not just isolated within a Nick Fuentes or, you know, Tucker or whatever like that. I think what it is, is you have despondent young men that feel like, hey, you're our leaders, we're under attack. Why aren't you prosecuting? Why aren't you. Why don't we see at a minim. At a minimum, can I please see John Brennan have to go under oath in a live. In a live, you know, subcommittee of, Of a deposition and have him answer to Russiagate, like just that alone. And then what spills out of that. But, like, that's just the pinnacle. So. And it's not that the, the Bureau isn't doing incredible work. When you look at, you know, Bongino's posting all their numbers and Gash is posting all their numbers and the numbers of of them taking down violent is staggering. It's a staggering pace. And you look at crime and mortality rates are just falling off the cliff. So you know, they're bringing a sense of security back to the country, which is essential. But there's also a component. Why aren't these people under indictment? Why isn't Tim Waltz under indictment already? Why haven't they arrested him in cops? Why has Mark Kelly not been censured by the Senate for telling, you know, military personnel to not follow orders?
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Tudor Dixon
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on the Tudor Dixon Podcast.
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Tudor Dixon
Do you remember the show Designated Survivor?
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David Rutherford
Oh, yeah. Kiefer Sutherland. Yeah.
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Tudor Dixon
And the Michigan governor did go against, and they did arrest him, him. And they, he was like, they arrested him for something with Dearborn. I can't remember what it was. But you know, that was obviously the Democrat perspective of that show. You could tell, but they didn't hesitate. I mean, to your point, there, there are times when you have to say you, how can you put people in such danger? They're calling for people to break the law. And then, you know, you have the video of one Walls. I think Jacob Fry has said this too, but Walls very clearly stated that he wants you to go out and document because when we're in power, we will prosecute the law enforcement. Like, what in the world?
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David Rutherford
Well, I don't know if you saw the statistic from everybody from Trump's first administration that was indicted and taken, you know, to court and that.
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Tudor Dixon
See, but people don't realize that that is what has to be that. People go, oh my gosh, he's so, he's so radical. I'm like, what are you talking about? Do you have any idea what people went through? And you're just, you are just talking about the people that you can publicly point to and say they went through hell. What about everybody else who was blacklisted from getting jobs? They couldn't work. They were, they were humiliated professionally. Anybody who worked in that administration went through hell because of these jerks. And they are painting us that way. We don't, we're not loud enough about what has happened. I don't know how to, I don't know how to make us louder.
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David Rutherford
I, My, my personal opinion is you still have just a entrenched uni party group that's in D.C. particular within the Senate. I mean, some of the votes that I've seen in the last two week against some of these massive things that could really move the needle in our, in our benefit, they're just not taking place. The SAVE Act. The SAVE act alone, like, forget everything else. Forget all of the other stuff going on, the protests, anti ice, the whatever, forget it all. And just look at the fact that still, in how many states can you walk in without an ID and vote? Right?
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Tudor Dixon
Why is this controversial? Why? I mean, look at the state of Michigan. We just. I know I'm keeping you long, but.
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David Rutherford
I'll log out as long as you want.
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Tudor Dixon
If you look at the state of Michigan. We just had one of our county clerks come out and say he was, he just happened to notice that he had a lot of people saying they, they couldn't serve in jury duty because they were non citizens. And then he compares the jury duty list against the qualified voter file and lo and behold, hold. Some of those people have been voting in quite a few elections. This is a plan.
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David Rutherford
Oh 100% this. And that's what, that's what. And we keep talking about. Because what happens, people become overwhelmed by the tsunami of information that's coming at them to the point where I don't want to look at the news because it's too, it hurts too much. We're losing our country. I don't want to see it. I'm just going to put my head down and go well the, you know, know the, and this is a dramatic assessment but in my, you know, the last time a comprehensive, you know, monumental shift in, in. In what? The. The world power hegemonies where Christendom was involved at a high level. You know, it started in 634 after Muhammad died and that by 7:90, you know, they had penetrated all the way through the Iberian Peninsula, all of classical anti Christianity in Northern Africa, all through the Middle east, all through constant, all gone, like eradicated forever. And I think the I, you know, the idea to drive us towards this, you know, globalist one world government. And I know everybody's like that's a conspiracy. Just look at the PM of Canada. They're telling world order. They're telling you. They're literally Kyle Schwab's latest video. That's. It's crazy to me that people, you're just like, hey listen, you gotta fight for what you want. The whole pretense of America is that you had to fight for what you want. Now here's the thing that scares me a little bit is it takes about 3 to 5% of a population to generate a revolution, right? So we're, let's call it 340 million people. Now we, over the last 20 plus years we've let in what, 40, 50 million people.
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Tudor Dixon
So and they, the other side is talking about this, in case you don't know, they're like okay, we're about 2% now. We are just at the edge of being able to overturn what's happening in the United States. This experiment that we love, the beauty of our freedom, everything we believe in, our Constitution. They believe they are so close to getting rid of all that. And we are sitting back here looking at the golf course and going, should I play today or should I go swimming? Like, it's like, get in the game.
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David Rutherford
Well, I think what I think are kind of the political establishment that has learned, because what I mean, you were in this system. I mean, you played at the highest level, going for governor of Michigan against one of the most entrenched kind of, you know, little misfit puppets that they have. And there's this integrated system for both sides that if you don't play the game, you don't get to where you go. And even if you do play the game and play it well, in some places, it doesn't matter, because they figured out how to comprehensively cheat the system. So for me, it all stems back to voting blocks and the ability to overwhelm the current existing system. And then the other problem is, like, good people, they don't want to run for office. I mean. I mean, we've talked about it offline before, how absolutely debilitating is to you, your family, your friends, your associates. And, like, people are like, I don't want to get into that. Why would I ever risk my family? And what my response to that is, now they're coming into your churches, so that's going to be your homes.
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Tudor Dixon
I actually had this conversation this morning. It's like, how do I protect my. Myself if I run? Not me. Someone else was telling me, asking me, if I run, how do I protect myself from what they will do? Because it doesn't matter if you. If you just run, it doesn't matter even if you lose, they continue to try to get you. They try to take your money, they try to shut down your bank accounts. They what? People don't know the behind the scenes of how the Democrats go, oh, that person might have a future. We must destroy them. It happens. I am not lying. It happens. So, yeah, normal. The average person doesn't want to say, well, I might go to prison. I might not have a college fund for my children. I might not be able to take care of them. No. Who wants to do that? You know? But, yes, when they go into your church, things change.
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David Rutherford
And that's. So I think we've crossed the line. I think this is going to exponentially tonight, violence coming from our side. And I'll tell you, this man and Tudor, you know, I am, as you know, you got on with me, like, wow, you're in a good mood. And I was like, yeah. I mean, I'm trying to maintain, you know, I am a motivational speaker. On occasion, and so trying to find the positive of it. But in this situation, when you cross that line where you go into that place where people are, you know, getting in touch with their, you know, when you look at what happened in the Crusades and there's already a revolution, revival going on in, in Christianity and faith and, and a collective, smaller group, community group of protection of, of its citizens, like that's building their militias, building, there's training groups building. You're going to go into a church one of these days and you're going to have 10 GWOT guys in there all caring, you know, and they're going to have an emergency plan. Everybody runs out, then they lock the doors and it's going to be like, now you can't leave and it's going to be ugly. Right? And that's, that's what's happening. I say that's what they want. And so my whole thing is, you know, fafo, you keep building that and you're gonna get back something that you're not gonna be happy with.
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Tudor Dixon
Yeah. Well, it's been interesting to watch and I always love chatting with you about this stuff because you have such a, you have such a good history and knowledge base. David Rutherford, thank you so much for coming on the podcast today.
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David Rutherford
Tudor, it's my honor. I just love your show. I love what you do. God bless you, you and all your listeners.
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Tudor Dixon
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