The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Mike Rogers on Reviving Michigan: Jobs, Education, and the Fight Against Rising Crime

Summary

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The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Mike Rogers on Reviving Michigan—Jobs, Education, and the Fight Against Rising Crime

Date: October 27, 2025
Host: Tudor Dixon
Guest: Mike Rogers (Former Congressman, Former House Intelligence Committee Chairman, Current Candidate for U.S. Senate, Michigan)

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on Michigan’s decline in manufacturing and education, the state’s rising crime rates, and the critical role a U.S. Senator can play in reversing these trends. Tudor Dixon and Mike Rogers, both deeply connected to Michigan’s manufacturing legacy, dissect the state’s struggles and layout Rogers’ conservative vision for Michigan’s recovery, emphasizing the importance of skilled jobs, educational reform, and public safety.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Michigan’s Manufacturing Decline and Opportunities for Revival

• Michigan’s Lost Manufacturing Edge: Rogers criticizes Democratic leadership for the loss of 30,000 manufacturing jobs and a slip in national education rankings (“Mississippi does better than Michigan right now in education”—[03:46]).
• The Need for Technical Skills: Both recall their fathers’ shop backgrounds—Dixon’s in the foundry, Rogers’ as a shop teacher—emphasizing the pride and value of hands-on skills.
• Advanced Manufacturing: Rogers notes the shift from traditional foundries to advanced manufacturing:

  “We probably won't get a whole surge of foundries come back. But what we can now get is that advanced manufacturing where the jobs are important for our national security.” ([04:55], Mike Rogers)

• High-Paying Technical Jobs Exist:

  “About a week ago where one of the guys who runs a very sophisticated computing drilling machine makes a quarter of a million dollars a year.” ([05:55], Mike Rogers)

• Modern Machine Shops:

  “You go to some of these machine shops… I could eat off the floor.” ([06:32], Tudor Dixon)

2. Connecting Youth to Careers and Addressing Educational Failures

• Disconnect with Young Men:

  “The men in Michigan are not going to school, they're not going to trade school, they're not going to college. What is happening to the young men in the state of Michigan? This is a crisis.” ([10:19], Tudor Dixon)

• Skills Gap: High school graduates struggle with basic skills like reading a measuring tape or doing fractions.

  “Three shops tell me they had to take the question of reading a measuring tape off the interview… Now they have to come in and teach them fractions. Now these are high school graduates.” ([13:00], Mike Rogers)

• Whole Word Learning vs. Phonics:

  “The secret sauce is… phonics. They use phonics to get these kids ready… because years ago the education establishment decided that whole word learning was the ticket. Well, guess what? Whole word learning has been a disaster.” ([18:51], Mike Rogers)

• Educational Accountability and Remediation: Rogers advocates for mandatory reading remediation funded by Title I dollars.

  “If you can't read going into the fourth grade, then you have to go through it… And here's the key... If you're not reading in fourth grade by the fourth grade, you have a 70% chance of going to prison or being on…” ([19:53], Mike Rogers)

3. Intergenerational Cycles, Parental Literacy, and School Responsibility

• Parental Involvement and Literacy:

  “We've talked to kids… who didn't have a book in the house… Because the parents can't read.” ([21:37], Mike Rogers)

• Cycle of Illiteracy:

  “You're going to help your kids because that's what's happening is you have this cycle of parents who can't read and not reading to their kids.” ([21:37], Mike Rogers)

• Teacher vs Administration:

  “It is not the teachers. So I have a lot of teachers in my family… what they're finding is… you get a student in who isn't reading, even at the third grade level. How do you teach fifth grade material?” ([23:25], Mike Rogers)

4. Political Leadership, Policy Proposals, and Democratic Shortcomings

• Holding Schools Accountable:

  “Mississippi, about $9,000 a student. Michigan, $14,000 a student. Their reading scores are higher than Michigan. It's not money.” ([25:49], Mike Rogers)

• Call for School Choice: Michigan not leveraging federal scholarships that could help students attend better schools.

5. Crime, Public Safety, and the National Guard

• Violent Crime in Detroit:

  “We're about 400% higher than the national average in violent crime, aggravated assault, rape, 180% higher than the national average. Detroit is the second most dangerous city by population in the country.” ([27:50], Mike Rogers)

• Democrat Leadership Response:

  “They're happy with a murder number. I do not understand this. I think people in those neighborhoods deserve every bit of safety to walk to the store, to go to church…” ([28:17], Mike Rogers)

• National Guard Deployment: Rogers supports deploying the National Guard to Detroit to prevent murders—opponents and the governor disagree.

  “I would welcome the National Guard. Your opponents and the governor of the state said they would… never want the National Guard here… They said no.” ([29:17], Tudor Dixon)

6. Progressive Policies, Sex Work, and the Threat to Michigan Values

• Progressive Democrat Threats: Dixon and Rogers warn about progressive candidates aligning with extreme policies—citing support for legalizing prostitution and socialist ideals.

  “Do you want to look your daughter in the eye as a senior in high school and say, hey, sex trafficking work. That's an option, right? No. God, no. We can't let ourselves get there.” ([51:50], Mike Rogers)

• Potential Federal Impact:

  “You have a candidate on the Democrat side who is saying, ‘I'm for [socialist] policies,’ and if that goes to the federal government and you get enough support… nothing sounds insane today after the things that I have seen coming out of the progressive wing of their party…” ([51:50], Tudor Dixon)

7. Senate Race Importance, Trump Endorsement, and Call to Action

• State at a Crossroads:

  “We haven't had a Republican in 32 years. So the Democrats have been in charge and our voice in Michigan for 32 years. Hey, how's that working out for you?” ([46:49], Mike Rogers)

• Senate Majority Math: 60 votes needed to override Democratic blockades and enact reforms.
• Grassroots Mobilization & Trump Endorsement:

  “President Trump's endorsement was phenomenal. But the most important person that the endorsement that I will get… is somebody in a neighborhood walks next door and says, hey, I'm going to tell you why I'm voting for Mike Rogers.” ([52:51], Mike Rogers)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I think we should have shop in every high school in America.” ([05:43], Mike Rogers)
• “Mississippi does better than Michigan right now in education.” ([03:46], Mike Rogers)
• “They had to take the question of reading a measuring tape off the interview… Now they have to come in and teach them fractions.” ([13:00], Mike Rogers)
• “If you're not reading in fourth grade by the fourth grade, you have a 70% chance of going to prison or being on…” ([19:53], Mike Rogers)
• “Detroit is the second most dangerous city by population in the country. And what Democrats are saying is nothing to see here.” ([27:50], Mike Rogers)
• “Do you want to look your daughter in the eye as a senior in high school and say, hey, sex trafficking work. That's an option, right?” ([51:50], Mike Rogers)
• “We haven't had a Republican in 32 years… How's that working out for you?” ([46:49], Mike Rogers)

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Important Timestamps

• [03:46] – Michigan’s manufacturing and education crisis
• [06:27] – Modern machine shops and skilled jobs
• [10:19] – The crisis among young men and career pathways
• [13:00] – Basic skills gap: measuring tape and fractions
• [18:51] – Phonics vs. whole word learning and reading reform
• [25:49] – School funding vs. accountability; Mississippi comparison
• [27:50] – Detroit crime rates and lack of Democratic response
• [29:17] – Deploying the National Guard to fight murders
• [41:45] – Energy costs, the Keystone pipeline, and classroom politics
• [46:49] – Call to flip the Senate and reflect on 32 years of Democratic control
• [51:50] – Warning against normalizing sex trafficking and legal prostitution
• [52:51] – Grassroots power and importance of local advocacy

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Overall Tone & Dynamism

• The conversation is passionate, personal, and direct. Rogers draws on his own blue-collar upbringing, legislative experience, and FBI background, channeling urgency around Michigan’s decline and possibilities for rebirth. Dixon supplements with personal anecdotes and sharp critiques of Democratic leadership, using a tone that is pragmatic, unapologetically conservative, and focused on grassroots solutions.

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Calls to Action

• For Michiganders: Get involved in the upcoming Senate race—vote, volunteer, donate, and talk to your neighbors.
• On Education: Advocate for accountability, phonics-based reading programs, and community-driven remediation initiatives.
• On Public Safety: Demand active solutions to Detroit’s crime crisis, support National Guard intervention, and call out leaders for ignoring dangerous neighborhoods.
• On Policy: Resist progressive/socialist policies that threaten Michigan’s values; focus on tangible outcomes over ideological purity.

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Final Takeaways

Mike Rogers and Tudor Dixon argue that Michigan stands at an inflection point. They urge a return to practical, work-based education, renewed pride in manufacturing, accountability in schools, and seriousness about crime and public safety. They position Rogers’ candidacy as essential to halting what they frame as a tide of dangerous progressive policies and reclaiming Michigan’s promise for the next generation.

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Transcript

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[Tudor Dixon]

Welcome to the Tudor Dixon podcast. Today I have a former congressman and the former chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and the current US Candidate for US Senate here in Michigan, Mike Rogers. Mike, thanks for joining me, Tutor.

[Mike Rogers]

It is great to be here. Thanks for having me.

[Tudor Dixon]

Absolutely. There's so much that I want to talk to you about. Obviously, we have this shutdown, but there's a lot of stuff that you've been talking about and writing op EDS about and all kinds of different things that I think are important that someone in D.C. is advocating for Michigan. And I want. So everybody who's listening right now, I know not everybody is from Michigan, but I think it's important for you to understand that your U.S. senator can do things for your state. They're not just a vote nationally. They're actually out there advocating for you, too. And this is something we haven't seen in Michigan. We've really been struggling in manufacturing. You talked about shop class. You talked about your dad being in shop class and manufacturing and building things. My dad was the same. I worked in the foundry. We need it back. What can you do?

[Mike Rogers]

Yeah, thanks. Yeah, matter of fact, thanks for the question, Tutor. And this, to me is the most important thing. We'll be talking about going forward and getting Michigan back on its feet. I mean, the Democrats under Democrat leadership has been a disaster. Lost manufacturing jobs, 30,000. Our education system is now 44th in the country. Mississippi does better than Michigan right now in education. We need to fix all of that. And having a senator, as you said, advocating for the kinds of things that are important for our future economically, for our kids, education and so kids can actually stay in a state like Michigan, outrageously important. And my dad was a shop teacher. I'm the youngest of five boys. My dad was a shop teacher and a football coach. And by the way, if you said industrial arts in our family, you might get the back of his hand. He hated that.

[Tudor Dixon]

But I mean that honestly. We talk about the. I'm glad you mentioned that because we talk about this all the time. I lost my dad in 2022. He was a foundryman my whole life. And my mom and I say all the time, like, I can't imagine what he would think of the ridiculous stuff that's going on today. And the fact that just we don't even have any foundries left.

[Mike Rogers]

I know it's. It is, it's bad. And we probably won't get a whole surge of foundries come back. But what we can now get is that advanced manufacturing where the jobs are a important for our national security. And hopefully we'll talk about Trump's tweet today about talking to Ford and General Motors CEOs who said, hey, thanks for the tariffs. You're saving the automobile industry, you're saving trucks being built in in America and Michigan specifically, which is good for our national security. And we need those jobs back and we need people connected to them. I think we should have shop in every high school in America. Listen, my dad believed in it. You know, as I said, he, he didn't like industrial arts. He called, he said it's, it is shop and it's about mechanics, it's about metal working and woodworking and it's good for you. I don't care what you do in life. That's pretty helpful. And imagine if we had a whole generation of kids put down their screens for one minute and went in and saw what you can do. If you work with your hands. And the critical thinking that comes out of repairing something, building something, I think it would be an amazing change and a refreshing change for so many people whose whole lives are consumed by how many likes they have on, on their social media. I think this is good for a whole bunch of reasons, but it also connects people to really high paying jobs. Tutor. You know this because you traveled around our state. I went to a place in the Thumb just recently, about a week ago where one of the guys who runs a very sophisticated computing drilling machine makes a quarter of a million dollars a year. Yeah.

[Tudor Dixon]

Oh yeah, Easily.

[Mike Rogers]

I know this is, these are great jobs.

[Tudor Dixon]

And that's why, so I tell people, okay, so you, you obviously know foundries and if you don't know foundries, I mean, we're, we're melting metal, we're pouring it into sand molds. It's kind of a dirty place, I'll admit. You go to some of these machine shops and if you're from manufacturing, you go into these machine shops. And I'm like, I could eat off the floor in this shop. I mean, these are nice places to work.

[Mike Rogers]

Yeah. Matter of fact, he's, he's very proud of the owner, is very proud. He says, I paint the floor every year. Yeah, I want a nice clean place to work. And it is, it's very clean and it's ergonomically correct. I mean, you're not in there, you know, you know, wrestling a 50 pound sheet of metal all day long. You got machines doing it and you're just doing the programming and getting things in the right. And it's really quite exciting to watch. And then to see the pride in these workers when they're done and they have a product that they know in this case, some of this work is going on to space X. Right. This is really high end work.

[Tudor Dixon]

And I think that's something that we could have in Michigan. We could, we could. We are very well positioned to take over some of this kind of space manufacturing and air, even aircraft manufacturing. We have that workforce right now. It still exists. We're teetering on the edge of struggling. I mean, I have talked to a lot of people in Michigan. They say, say, you know, we're struggling to get workers. We're still known as that hub for manufacturing. But it's been so long with Gretchen Whitmer and Gary Peters and Debbie Stabenow ignoring this state that we have, we have started to trail off a little bit in our workforce. This is the moment. I mean, this is why this election is so important. This is the moment for Michigan to be the focus again and for us to get that back. And it really is important for the entire United States because you may go, oh, well, you know, we want it in our state, but because we are the state that put the world on wheels, we have that history here. You cannot allow Michigan to fail because it will hurt the entire automotive industry.

[Mike Rogers]

Yeah, absolutely. Completely agree. And that new budding as you just described aerospace industry that's here, right? Building things for SpaceX, building things for Boeing. We have that capability and we should double down on it. And as you said, the Democrats just walked away from all of this. They're so married to the coasts. The liberal ideology of the coasts of America. They forgot about people who get up and work hard and are proud to build things. And we have this whole generation of kids, as I said, that just aren't connected to it. I think if they got connected to it, they would find this a really, really good career option for them. And so we're going to do it from two ways. And think of this, this is another thing that drives me crazy about what senators can do or not do. We used to have an air base in the Upper Peninsula, a strategic air base. They let that go. We used to build tanks in Michigan. They let that go. And by the way, they still do these things. We still have Air Force bases, we still build tanks in America. They're just not building them here anymore. We used to have a Navy base that tracks submarines, Russian submarines, primarily up in the up. They let that go. And so all of the defense industrial based manufacturing also breeds commercial manufacturing, dual use kind of manufacturing that's really good for cutting edge. And it's great for, I think, for, for America to have a diverse defense industrial base so that China doesn't clean our clock. And so this is that chance. And I agree with you, we're on the edge. We don't get our education system turned around, we're in trouble. If we don't get our manufacturing back and off of its knees in this state, we're going to be in trouble. This is the election to actually pull that off and I'm pretty confident we're going to do it. And I think working people are now understanding that if you want a better future for your kids, it really is conservatives and the Republican Party that's going to get you there.

[Tudor Dixon]

And it's critical for young men right now because in the state, you've heard Gretchen Whitmer out there saying, oh, we don't know what's happening. We have, our universities are being attended by women, but the men in Michigan are not going to school, they're not going to trade school, they're not going to college. What is happening to the young men in the state of Michigan? This is a crisis. And yet I really do believe that the Democrats just have no idea how to address it. I think it's so important that people that come from the manufacturing world that have parents like you had, that there are shop teachers, understand what's going on in this generation and how to get them involved. We need, we need people working. I mean there's really not an option when you grow up to not work.

[Mike Rogers]

Yeah, there are, unfortunately, under the Biden administration they tried to make.

[Tudor Dixon]

Right. Yeah, yeah, well, I guess they think there is.

[Mike Rogers]

And by the way, that was a disaster and it's still, and we're still suffering that hangover right now. There's, I think I heard a quote from Mike Rowe, Seven point. It's either 1 or 2 million abled bodied men not working. That's unconscionable. And we need to get back to the notion. No, that's dignity. You want your dignity back?

[Tudor Dixon]

Yes.

[Mike Rogers]

Go to work. It's a good thing, it's a healthy thing.

[Tudor Dixon]

And I think they want, I think they want to. But if you, I mean just what we were talking about, you talk about the shop in the, in the thumb. And for those of you listening outside of the state of Michigan, we are a mitten. And we do refer to that area as the thumb of the mitten. That's where we go. So in the thumb, he's talking about in the Mitten, that shop that you're talking about that is so beautiful. I'm sure that they are able to program machines right from their phone. And all these fancy, all this fancy, fancy technology that they use, it requires you to be able to read. So for all of the people that are high futin and think they're better than our manufacturing job that we've all done, you and they, they look down on us and they go, oh, those are for people that are uneducated. No, it's a very highly skilled job and you have to read. And yet in Michigan our kids can't read.

[Mike Rogers]

Yeah, and here's one for you too. We're going to double down on it. They can't read. Terrible. And, and by the way, my wife and I are really involved in trying to get reclaiming reading mitigation meeting. We're going to get you back up to grade level. It's a, there's a not for profit called Beyond Basics doing phenomenal work here in Michigan. It's sad that we have do that because the schools aren't doing it. But here's another one for you. I've been to all these little tool and die shops of which you are very, very familiar with. They were, I had three shops tell me they had to take the question of reading a measuring tape off the interview.

[Tudor Dixon]

Yes, I had that same conversation with people. Isn't that insane?

[Mike Rogers]

It's crazy. And you know why they can't do fractions. You know what is 1 in 1/4 and 11 3/4. Of course you and I know that's 10, but I'm just kidding, joking for you math wizards out there. But kids were not able to figure that out on a tape measure and so they had to stop asking the question. Now they have to come in and teach them fractions. Now these are high school graduates. These are pretty, these aren't really complicated fractions, they're simple fractions. They're just not learning it in school. So they can't, they come out and they're reading at an eighth grade level and they can't do fractions. I mean you almost have to try to do this to a generation of kids.

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[Tudor Dixon]

See mintmobile.com it's interesting because we had this, I'm going to say something maybe controversial. We had a third grade reading law here in the state of Michigan and it was that if you haven't, if you can't read by third grade, you have to be held back. And Whitmer just repealed that. The governor just repealed that law last year. So now all these kids are getting passed through. They were getting passed through anyway. And the problem with a law like that is that it's only effective if it is enforced. And then how do you enforce it? I mean, are you going to take people to jail at our schools or what are you going to do? It really has to be that we hold the schools accountable for their whether or not their kids are able to read. And then if they can't read, I really think there has to be reading specialists. I think there has to be a focus on helping them actually get to grade level. There's just so much punishment that's going on and yet the kids are still not reading.

[Mike Rogers]

Yeah. So part of this program and there's, I can get into the policy side if you want, but on education, this is where I think the Feds could help the state and local government. And I look forward to having a Republican governor that we can have this conversation about getting kids reading again versus how we don't want to talk about it in this state is this reading reclamation program. They can teach kids to read at grade level from six to 14 weeks. Think of that. So this isn't, you know, this isn't a horrific burden. And I'm going to tell you what the secret sauce is. Everybody paying attention here? This is very, very, very secret. Phonics. They use phonics to get these kids ready back reading at grade level because years ago the education establishment decided that whole word learning was the ticket. Well, guess what? Whole word learning has been a disaster. And remember phonics? I don't know many. I'm sure a lot of folks that you have listening understand what phonics are. There's probably a whole group go, what? What is that? It's where you learn to read by signed sounding out words, in a nutshell. So you can sound out any word and by the time you're done sounding out, you'll get and understand what that word is. Whole word. If you don't recognize the wor word, you're never going to get the word. You don't know how to break it down into syllables to, to read that word. It's been a disaster. Kids can't read. And so my argument is we use that title one, money that they're going to disadvantaged schools in the third grade. And you make that a reading reclamation program. Assigned money, you take a reading assessment. If you can't read going into the fourth grade, then you have to go through it. You have to show that you're going to have this mediation, by the way, which the government can help pay for because that money's already there. And here's the key to this. If you're not reading in fourth grade by the fourth grade, you have a 70% chance of going to prison or being on.

[Tudor Dixon]

Right. That's exactly right. So why couldn't it be? I mean, with the program you're talking about, why couldn't we say if you can't read by the end of third grade, you're in this, this program for summer school. And, and that just has to be the way it is. I, I just, I really think that we are in this mode of how do we punish you if you can't read? And it's already hard enough if you can't read and you're not in a good situation at home because too Many of our, the families from my generation and the generation below me, they're raising the kids and a lot of them can't read. So when you have whole word learning that is very hard because the parents might not know the word either. So now you've got your doubling down. Because this kid, if you teach phonics, you can learn on your own. If you teach whole word language, you have to learn with a parent. And if the parent doesn't know, you're not going to learn.

[Mike Rogers]

Exactly. And what, here's how we fix that. If you're on government assistance program, we want to help people. We're a country that should help people when you need it. We want to give you a hand up, not a handout, but one of the requirements should be. And you know, we have a 20 hour work requirement now, which I think is an important thing to do for people. It helps you get better, it helps improve your economics, allows you to upskill. Is that you, that first 20 hours you need to spend on a reading reclamation program. Take a reading assessment. Let's get you reading at grade level. So we're going to help you and you're going to help yourself. And here's the benefit of that. You're going to help your kids because that's what's happening is you have this cycle of parents who can't read and not reading to their kids. We've talked to kids in the, in our beyond basics thing who didn't have a book in the house, not a magazine, not a book, not a newspaper, nothing. And so they've never been even exposed to the idea of reading. And why? Because the parents can't read. It wasn't something that they could do.

[Tudor Dixon]

And it's such an embarrassing thing if you can't read, that's. And if you're a parent and you can't read, the last thing you want is to be embarrassed in front of your kids. So you just continue hiding it. Which, you know, I've never really thought about the idea of connecting that and testing people to see if they can read. We have robbed so many people in this state of an education because if you can't read, you can't learn math. If you can't read, you can't learn history. There's nothing you can do without reading. And yet we've passed these kids and we feel no responsibility for the fact that our tax dollars went into these schools that failed kids. And we don't have to be failing kids, but we failed kids for generations, which makes it really hard to get people back on track. So I love that idea of having something for their parents to be able to help them too.

[Mike Rogers]

Yeah, absolutely. And I'm excited about it. Honestly. I could get fired up about this. And if you think about why that piece is so important, you have to break this cycle. And just a quick note on teachers, because there's this new trend. Well, it's not the schools. It can't be the missionary. It must be. The teachers are doing the. It is not the teachers. So I have a lot of teachers in my family. I have a special ed teacher in my cousin. My niece is a. Is a fifth grade teacher. And what they're finding is, so let's say you're a fifth grade teacher and you, you. They pass you out of the third grade. You can't read at fourth grade level. And why that's important. You learn to read to the third grade. You read. You. I think I said that right. You learn to read by the third grade and you learn by reading third, fourth grade up and really for the rest of your life.

[Tudor Dixon]

Right. Learn to read and then read to learn.

[Mike Rogers]

Yes. There you go. Thank you. That was the way I was supposed to say it. I got so fired up. Tutor. You see, I might have to go back to the reading assessment.

[Tudor Dixon]

But it's true. It's true. If you can't read, you can't learn.

[Mike Rogers]

Can't learn. Especially fourth grade and for the rest of your life. So think of this. This fifth grade teacher gets a student in who isn't reading, even at the third grade level. How do you teach fifth grade material?

[Tudor Dixon]

Exactly.

[Mike Rogers]

Who's not reading? It's so unfair to these teachers. And I think they're getting clubbed for this. It's not them. It is the teachers unions and it's the administration of these schools that has bought into the notion just plow them out the other end and hope for the best.

[Tudor Dixon]

And we're fighting over these stupid concepts of, you know, what can we teach about culture war issues from kindergarten on, and yet our kids can't read. And that in. And in Michigan, it's. Now we are 44th in the nation for education. And like you said, Mississippi, Mississippi is like the golden child. Now we're all talking about the Mississippi miracle, which I have to say I love because it means that it can be done and that means that it can be a Michigan miracle as well. We have since I ran, when I was running in 22, we were 38th. We're 44th now. I mean, all of the money that we have invested in education and we continue to invest in education and I think is very important, don't get me wrong. But it should also be included an education. At the end, you should be able to say you've been educated.

[Mike Rogers]

Oh, that. Oh, that. You know, think of this. Mississippi, about 9,000 a student. Michigan, $14,000 a student. Their reading scores are higher than Michigan. It's not money. This notion that, oh, if you just give the schools more money, this will come out. Right. That is just not true. We need to absolutely hold these schools accountable. And the fact that Michigan is not signing up to the. Donald Trump's, Donald Trump's scholarship, that's $1,700 for people who need it. To make a choice to go to a school that chooses to teach reading and math is criminal. I mean, our state ought to be first in line so that we're not 44th or 10th or 4 or 5. And by the way, we ought to start every year saying we're going to be number one in the, in the country. Why? Any other standard and they're happy with it. They're like, oh, but we're not last.

[Tudor Dixon]

Well, I think that I would, I would argue that they're trying to distract from it. I don't think that they. I think they just care about votes and I think they just care about power. And I mean this about the Democrats in the state. It really doesn't seem to ever be about people because you've got this talk of we've got to have free lunch and free breakfast and lunch. And while I think it's important that the kids who need a free breakfast and lunch absolutely get it, I think that is also critical that they can read. And that is never mentioned. You will not hear a single Democrat talk about actually making sure that the things that are meant to happen in school happen in school. Just like you will not hear them talking about the violent crime in the state outside of. In areas where they somehow identify with the people. Because Democrats have this weird tolerance for crime against people they don't care about. And in Detroit seems to be that situation. We had 203. I think you wrote something about this. 203 murders in 2024.

[Mike Rogers]

Yes. And by the way, they're saying, isn't that great? Honestly.

[Tudor Dixon]

Yeah, right. How awful is that?

[Mike Rogers]

My God, it's just shocking. And we're, we're about 400% higher than the national average in, in violent crime, aggravated assault, rape, 180% higher than the national average. Detroit is the Second most dangerous city by population in the country. And what Democrats are saying is nothing to see here. Move along. Oh, did I tell you that we've cut down the number of carjackings in the city?

[Tudor Dixon]

Right.

[Mike Rogers]

They're happy with a murder number. I do not understand this. I think people in those neighborhoods deserve every bit of safety to walk to the store, to go to church without getting accosted by street gangs or aggravated assault or robbery. We're about 200% higher than robbery. And the reason the president went into Memphis is guess who the number one most violent city was by population was? Memphis. And they said, please come in.

[Tudor Dixon]

Yes.

[Mike Rogers]

My gosh, their crime rate is going down. Shocking. Why? I mean, my argument is, if you could say, if I came to you, Tudor, and said, I've got a program for you, Madam Governor, that we're going to save a hundred lives this year in the city of Detroit. 100 lives saved won't cost you hardly anything. I bet you'd be jumping up and down saying, how do we do this? How do we save a hundred people? What are the Democrats in these cities saying? Nothing to see here. Don't come in. We don't need you. We're exactly 203 murders.

[Tudor Dixon]

You have literally said that. You came out and said, I would welcome the National Guard. Your opponents and the governor of the state said they would. They never want the National Guard here. So essentially, you said, I can prevent 100 murders at least. And they said, no.

[Mike Rogers]

Yeah, exactly. It makes no sense to me. And. But here's the thing. All of the Democrats in the suburbs are all apparently okay with this because they don't have that crime problem in their neighborhood.

[Tudor Dixon]

That's exactly. Well. And they don't have really any. Their elected officials. They're. They're congressional elected officials and Senate. They don't have anybody from dangerous neighborhoods. How lucky of them.

[Mike Rogers]

Exactly. And here's the thing that people don't understand, because the. The cynics on the left will say, oh, Republicans are doing this to give votes. We. We don't. Yes, we'd love people to. To understand how conservatism can better your life. We don't need your vote. We're not doing it for your vote. How about your safety? We care about people. I don't care what your zip code is. I don't care what your address is. We want you to have the same safety and good education and access to health care than all of your liberal friends who say they care about you, but would never even drive through your neighborhood. That's true. It's so offensive to me. I was a. A street agent in the FBI. I worked organized crime and violent crime in the city of Chicago when I was an agent. I've been in these neighborhoods. I've, I've spent a lot of time in these neighborhoods. I've talked to a lot of victims in these neighborhoods. And you know what they really want? They don't want anything different than you and I want for our kids. They want them to be safe. They want them to learn how to read, and then they want them to be able to better their lives. You can't do that if you're not giving them the tools. And what Democrats have said is, as long as it's in these neighborhoods, we don't care.

[Tudor Dixon]

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[Mike Rogers]

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[Tudor Dixon]

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[Mike Rogers]

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[Tudor Dixon]

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[Mike Rogers]

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[Tudor Dixon]

The News Agents on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Open your free iHeart app and search the News agents to start listening. When you were running for Senate, I think it was while you were running. The last time, maybe it was, was a little bit before there was a shooting at a, at a splash pad. And Alyssa Slotkin came out and had a press conference about how upset she was about this shooting at the splash pad. Now, let me just tell you, it was in a very wealthy area. She probably had a lot of donors. It was maybe five days later, Detroit saw the worst mass shooting they had ever seen. And it was almost all, if not all women 18 to 25 who were shot. And not only did Alyssa Slotkin say nothing, but Gretchen Whitmer said nothing. And Gretchen Whitmer had done the whole tour of media on how, oh, we have to prevent this gun violence because of the splash pad shooting. But again, their tolerance for crime against people they don't seem to care about, they can't identify with it. I don't understand what it is, but how do you, you, how do you ignore young women being shot?

[Mike Rogers]

Yeah, I think there were 19 victims in that shooting. It was the largest mass shooting in Detroit's history. Think of that. And it was gang violence generated. You know, I bet if you ask them, would it bother you if the National Guard were on patrol nearby? Would it have bothered you then? Of course not. And so I, they, and again, it's because, honestly, I think Donald Trump said it first that they cannot tolerate the idea that this might actually work and crime might be averted. Think of the mayor of Washington D.C. who said, terrible idea. I don't like it. I don't want Them here, they came anyway. And she said, okay, I was wrong. It works.

[Tudor Dixon]

Right.

[Mike Rogers]

Okay.

[Tudor Dixon]

And, and I, and I give her credit for coming out and saying that and, and backing off because that's hard in their party. We can see. I mean, look at Hakeem Jeffries right now is still wondering what he's going to do about Mamdan. Everybody in their party is saying he's our, he's our nominee. It doesn't matter if he's a communist. We have to choose him. And, and that's not too different from your opponent. One of your opponent, potential opponents, Abdul El Sayad, was out campaigning with Mamdani and he is very much on the same kind of socialist, communist bent that Mamdani is. So what do you think about that for Michigan when you see the Democrats are not willing to break from anything? I mean, again, I give Mayor Bowser credit that she was finally able to say, okay, did something good. That's not going to happen with Democrats in Michigan. So how do you go up against somebody who wants to bring these communist policies to Washington D.C. right out of Michigan?

[Mike Rogers]

You know, the good news, I, I so trust working families. I came from a working family. You came from a working family. We understand these people and the Democrats do not understand them. I mean, if you look even at the three opponents, they all went to fancy schools, you know, somewhere else and came here and now are going to help, you know, Democrats and working people. They don't understand working people. And you know, working people are not going to put up with the government running their health care where you have to call a bureaucrat in Washington D.C. to find out if you can Lance your Boyle or not. I mean, they are not understanding what, how hard the unions and working people fought for their health care benefits in this state. And they did fight for them and their good health care benefits because they earned them. That's what they don't understand. They earned them and so they have good benefit packages. They're not going to turn that over to the government. And the very fact that they want to run your grocery store. Right. Most people get it. That doesn't make good common sense. I don't. I really. I want somebody who knows how to run a grocery store. Running a grocery store. My selections are going to be pretty good by the time that's over. And if you think about the direction they're going on, by the way, stop. Stop trying to indoctrinate my children at school, for God's sake. I want them to do reading and writing. Don't teach them the 26 letters of the Alphabet. Not that there's 26 genders. I mean, get away from all that nonsense and just go back to basics. My dad used to call it the three R's. Reading, writing and arithmetic. We stick to that. My God, we're gonna, we'll be right back. This whole generation of kids will be the next greatest generation in this country. And so I think working people are going to identify with our message. You know, the Democrats are trying to scare the Jesus out of people. Oh, you're, you know, the, the Republicans hate you, conservatives hate you. And by the way, just stick with us. Well, here's what's sticking with us has gotten us four of the most dangerous cities in America here run by Democrats. Education now, as you said, even from when you ran, now we're 44, 30,000 manufacturing jobs lost. Your kids coming to you and saying, hey, Mom, I might have to go out of state to get a job. I'm sorry, I gotta leave. All of the things that rip people's hearts, this is what they have given us. And we're going to make sure that people understand what they have done to you, to your family, to your future prosperity. And that most importantly, we can fix this. It's absolutely doable that we fix this.

[Tudor Dixon]

And the highest energy cost in the Midwest, I mean, it just goes on and on. My girls were learning about the Keystone pipeline the other day and I said, well, it got shut down. And they were like, what do you mean? Doesn't say that in our notes. I said, maybe even gotten there yet. But that's the story. And you know, and it's interesting as they learn these things and, and just even in the Christian school, I've realized that there is, is so much anti Trump stuff not coming from the school necessarily, but in the materials that they're buying. And one of the teachers was like, we didn't actually know that this was so anti Trump. I love the fact that the President had the Senate over at the White House the other day at, in the Rose Garden because he was able to flip the narrative on we're going to lose the midterms. And I think that's critical because he understands the media and he knows the, that for him to be the person talking, he has to do something to get the media there. He looked straight at those cameras, he said, you know what? I've been told that you lose it, you have like a 91% chance of losing the midterms. And we're not going to lose the Midterms. And it's not us keeping the government shut down. These guys are keeping the government shut down. We're at the second longest shutdown in history. The longest was 2018, when they shut it down for 35 days. This is a. There's a pattern here. They want the American people to think Trump is the problem. He was a genius when he went on the news and he said, we're not the problem. They did this to me before, and it seems like, based on numbers and polling and sentiment, that the American people believe him this time. They're like, you know what? It does look like the Dems. How does that play out for the midterms?

[Mike Rogers]

Listen, I think that by the time the midterms get around, hopefully they'll have this resolved. But I think people are starting to buy into this notion that Democrats don't really care about what's good for you. They care about what's good for them. And when you have Schumer, the leader of the Democrat Party in America today, he's the highest ranking Democrat in their party today, saying that this shutdown is good for us. And when he says us, he's talking about Democrats and politicians in Washington, D.C. you know, there's about $350 million of lost economic activity just in Michigan every single week that they do this. And these are small businesses, these are dry cleaners, these are little restaurants and mom and pop diners. You know, this isn't General Motors or all the other stuff. This is the backbone of our state. They don't seem to care that law enforcement's losing their checks, that the military's families are not worried about getting paid, that people who are trying to get their Social Security check worked out because they need the money. There's nobody to answer the phone because the Democrats think that this is good for their political position. And having the Trump, having President Trump look at the camera and say, man, this is. This is bad. And I think people are going to understand who's doing it. And here's the thing. All they have to do is vote for the extension, come back and negotiate. That's what that whole place is about.

[Tudor Dixon]

So explain that really quick, because I think people are trying to figure out what are they, what are they fighting against. They've always signed this. They've always said, voted yes for this 13 times prior.

[Mike Rogers]

The Democrats, Democrats voted for extensions just like this to keep negotiations going. It doesn't add money. There's no partisanship in it. There's no nothing. It just says, we're Going to pay our bills for the next fill in the blank 20 days. Why we negotiate. And the Democrats said, nope, we're not going to pay our bills because we think Republicans will get blamed. This is the most cynical part of politics I have seen in a very long time time. And it just goes to show you, a tutor, that they have walked away from working. I don't even think they understand who working people are anymore. No, no, that check that doesn't come at the end of the month means something. It means hardship in their family. It means sacrifice that they did, shouldn't have to make. And so that's happening to people who had nothing to do with this. And then the added economic cost to our state, to these small businesses around the state. State is devastating.

[Tudor Dixon]

And we're hearing about snap benefits getting interrupted soon. I mean, at a certain point, this. I know people are like, oh, what do we need the government for? Well, there are, you know, public safety, transportation, you've got TSA not getting paychecks. All of these people are just sitting there going, we're, it's, it's good faith work. Now we're hoping that we get paid. That's terrible. How could you do that to any family? And we're going into the holidays. This is the thing that makes me the most mad. I look at this and I think, like, I'm at that mode right now where I'm doing my calculations of, okay, can I, can I get through Christmas? What are the Christmas gifts I can get for people? Every family is doing that. That's real life. But it's not real life for these people. They don't care and they're getting paid no matter what. And it just makes us out here in the country crazy. And that's why I will say to people here in Michigan, you have an opportunity to take the Senate back.

[Mike Rogers]

Yes. Well, think about it, Tudor. We haven't had had a Republican in 32 years. So the Democrats have been in charge and our voice in Michigan for 32 years, hey, how's that working out for you?

[Tudor Dixon]

And having the most people in the Senate is critical. I know that right now people go, oh, well, we have all three branches and we're all, we're in good shape. But you have to have a even bigger majority in the Senate.

[Mike Rogers]

Yeah, you need 60 votes to stop up what the Democrats are doing and what they're doing. Remember, they voted 12 times now to say, no, I don't want people to get paid in the government. I want it closed down because I want the political advantage, not because it's good for. And they're saying, well, this is about health care, okay, so you want, you want illegals to get Medicaid benefits. You want them back. Oh, by the way, if you're able bodied, you don't want them to work 20 hours or week. That's what they're fighting about. And there's, you know, John Kennedy, if you want to look this up. Senator John Kennedy, Louisiana, always worth a chuckle. He goes through and finds the craziest things that they want to do. One of them, the one I remember off the top of my head is a pastry and dance classes for male prostitutes in Haiti. What that's in the package that they want to refund and make you pay for it. My, I mean, you start looking at these and there's a whole bunch of, you can't make it up. There's also, they want to pay, it's like half a million bucks to a gay pride parade in Lesotho, Africa.

[Tudor Dixon]

I mean, that even what we're looking at, I look at what we're looking at in New York right now in New York City, and I'm thinking this guy is saying that he's running on these like, conservative Muslim values, but he is, is promoting prostitution. And, and he voted for, I mean, it's not just promoting. He voted to legalize. They call it sex work. It is prostitution. And he said, you know what he said the reason was because people who are selling their bodies, people who are engaged in sex work, they cannot get paid right now because their landlords are afraid that they will be considered pimps and get arrested. And I'm like, think about, about the mental gymnastics you have to go through to get to the point where you say you should legalize prostitution. And we know what happens then. You really do turn women into slaves for pimps. And that's what he's promoting. How on earth did we get to the point where that is something that could happen in the United States of America?

[Mike Rogers]

You got me. And it doesn't work in the rest of the world either. And by the way, I, I worked human trafficking cases as a part of my work, work against the Chicago organized crime. And people say, well, it's the woman's choice. It is not always the choice. It is, they, they have, they're at the end of their rope and there are absolute predators who take advantage of these women and put them into. It is prostitution. I, I have a hard time calling that sex work. It's prostitution. And by the way, there's drugs involved. The cases we were working, they were deliberately getting these women hooked on heroin so that they could put them on the street and make them work, work it off. In their terminology. How we would tolerate this, you know what's why? Because maybe you don't drive through that neighborhood. These are human beings. These are abs. These are young daughters, younger women. They're your daughters. They may even be your mothers. Well, there were cases where there were moms who are so at wit's end, thought maybe this is the only way I can care for my child. That's not. When you're doing that, you're not making a choice. You're making the worst, best choice for your family. But why would we allow that to be an option?

[Tudor Dixon]

It's dangerous. So. And you are not. You are not making a choice. You are being forced into a dangerous situation. So many. I mean, you know, so many of those women end up dead. They end up with diseases, they end up abused. This is. And this is what we are hearing. You are the perfect person to say that this cannot happen to New York City because you saw it when it was illegal. Imagine making it legal.

[Mike Rogers]

Yeah, well, what will happen is there'll be a legal process to guarantee this is going to happen. There'll be a legal process, and some people will follow the legal process, but it will unleash the illegal underground to do whatever they want in sexual trafficking because. And that's just the way it works. And so you think that money is going to go away? You think those gangsters aren't going to take that money? Absolutely not. And the other part of this is when that woman is. Has reached where they don't think they can make money money off of that young woman, then she's out. You don't know where to go. You know, could be death, could be absolute overdose. I mean, the. The possibilities. And by the way, let's look at it this way. Do you want to look your daughter in the eye as a senior in high school and say, hey, sex trafficking work. That's an option, right? No. God, no. We can't let ourselves get there.

[Tudor Dixon]

And that. And that to me, is why your race. Another reason your race is so important is because you have a candidate on the Democrat side who is saying, I'm for mom, Donnie, all of his policies, and if that goes to the federal government and you get enough support, which I know sounds insane, however I say, I say nothing sounds insane today after the things that I have seen coming out of the progressive wing of their party, it has gotten so out of control and it's taking control. I mean, you can see that Bernie Sanders is still leading the charge with all of these rallies. They have so many people coming. They, the progressive wing is pushing out Schumer. That's why we're in this shutdown, pushing out the Hakeem Jeffries of the world. And, and they over. I cannot express enough why this Senate, Senate seat is so important. Donald Trump has endorsed you. Tell people how they can go to your website and help you out.

[Mike Rogers]

Yeah, thanks tutor. And all the help that we got out raised five to one last time that I don't know where this Michigan.

[Tudor Dixon]

For you can't happen again.

[Mike Rogers]

It cannot happen again. So please go to Rogers for Senate R O G e r s rogersfor senate.com you know, your goodwill, a small amount of money can go a long, long way way. And if you're in Michigan, we'd love to have your help. You can sign up for, you know, canvassing your neighborhood, putting up yard signs, handing out literature and believe me, those things matter and they do count. And the most important person that the endorsement that I will get, President Trump's endorsement was phenomenal. Is, is a, is somebody in a neighborhood walks next door and says, hey, I'm going to tell you why I'm voting for Mike Rogers. I will likely get that vote. That's the most powerful endorsement you can get get. So I don't want people to think, well, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm just who am I? You're everything and your circle of friends will pay attention to you. So go on. Rogers for senate.com. let us not allow Mandami's policies of socialism show up at the shores here of our Great Lake State.

[Tudor Dixon]

Yeah, I can't. I, I think that's got to be said because I know in the last election it was like 19,000 votes and we actually had a lot of, of base voters who just didn't come out. And I think that, you know, in Michigan we have this kind of unique situation where we have a lot of people who are very involved. And just like you said, those people that will go to their neighbor and say this is why those people that go to their neighbor and say this is why not, they have just as much impact. I, I promise you that rule of if we're aligned 80% of the time, that's good is important here because you want to make sure that we have Republican votes. The alternative is, we were just talking about young women in danger, sex trafficking going off the charts and open border all fights in the Middle East. I mean this is the kind of stuff that is on the line. So when you are going out there and talking to your Republican friends, understand the vote has got to come through.

[Mike Rogers]

Yes, exactly. We need you to show up. You know it's great to talk about. I do. And think of this. You can have an impact for our state if you're from Michigan in by electing a Republican governor and a state Senate and a state House to finally get us out of the doldrums here in right direction and prevent nonsense like sexual trafficking being legal. And you can have an impact on the US Senate maybe for the next generation by sending a Republican for the first time in 32 years to represent working people. And my dad always used to say listen, you better work to send somebody to Washington because some Washington will send somebody after you. And so I thought that was great advice. Let's get busy to do this and tutor. Thank you so much for all that you do around the state. I've heard you speak many times. Always a crowd, always entertaining and always informative when I leave there. So thanks for the work that you're doing around the state and thank you.

[Tudor Dixon]

Thanks for throwing your hat in the ring once again. Mike Rogers, we appreciate having you here on the podcast today.

[Mike Rogers]

Tudor, thanks so much. Enjoy.

[Tudor Dixon]

Absolutely. And thank you all for joining us on the Tutor Dixon podcast. For this episode and others, go to tutordixenpodcast.com, the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts and make sure you watch it on rumble or YouTube uterdixon. Thank you so much and have a blessed day.

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