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Tudor Dixon
This is an iHeart podcast. Welcome to the Tudor Dixon Podcast. So every now and again a Democrat decides they are going to step into that independent world. And we've seen that with Tulsi Gabbard who is now in the administration. We've seen that with a couple of other high profile Democrats. But some people behind the scenes are doing that too. And so I'm glad to say that today we have Allison Wynn with us. She is a child refugee from Vietnam and she turned into a Silic Valley an entrepreneur, a venture capitalist and then became a fundraiser for former President Barack Obama. But now she's joined the world of the independence. Allison, thank you for joining us.
Allison Wynn
Thanks for having me here. Tutor.
Tudor Dixon
So tell us what I mean, I've read this article that you have all this like Democrat, like these historical things, JFK's chair, President Obama painting all of the stuff and you're like, you know what? I feel like it wasn't, it didn't go the direction I expected. So kind of break that down for us.
Allison Wynn
Yes, I was a very idealistic kid. I grew up from a war torn country, lived the American dream, became part of the whole kind of Google rise to dominance, really believe in the idea of do no evil, and then got really disillusioned with Google seeing how the sausage was made. Also, you know, went on the Obama bandwagon as well. Hope and inspiring young people, people, people of color. He talked the talk. It was very much like Martin Luther King, but when it came to walking the walk, his politics were racially divisive. And I'm a very big anti war proponent, much like President Trump, of course, through strength. And we had more wars, we had more international conflicts trying to topple all these regimes. This is exactly what I'm against. What happened? What happened to peace, hope, prosperity? So he was just another Bush Cheney puppet. And I don't really blame him or Bill Clinton. They talk beautifully, they're very charming, charismatic, but they are not hands on. They don't have the skill set. And as an entrepreneur in Silicon Valley, engineering and science background, to be a CEO, to be a successful investor, you have to think big, you have to dream big, but you also have to be very specific. Obama and Clintons, they were just professional politicians and dreamers. They didn't know how to actually get things done. I do believe the Deep state just hijacked them and then they became part of the Deep State themselves because that's the universe that they inhabit. They themselves were criticizing the swamp, but because they didn't know another Real world, they became a swamp monster themselves.
Tudor Dixon
You know, it's interesting that you say that, because I think I've told this story on here before, but when I was deciding whether or not I would run for office, I was going around, I was talking to some of the local elected officials and state elected officials, and I walked into one of the leadership people's offices, and we sat down, we talked for a long time. And we had both been in manufacturing. And so I was new to this, and I had. It just sounds like you. You know, I had this view of it was good people that wanted to serve that walked in and they decided that they would run for office. And running for office, was this a service. You wanted to provide a service to other people. And as I walked out of his office, he looked up at me and he said, don't let it seduce you. And I remember thinking, oh, that's a really gross thing to say. And I had no idea what he meant because I had not been in this world. But exactly what you've just said, it's like this. This swamp comes to you, and, oh, you could do this and you could help us out here. And that's even the dark money and the. The super PACs and all of these things that the amount of money in the political industry is so hard to not be jockeying for that you are, oh, just compromise here, just compromise there, and then suddenly you're lost. And I think that's what he meant by that statement.
Allison Wynn
Exactly. That's part of the swamp, the metaphorical and actually literal swamp. Especially during the summer, during D.C. it's very humid. I just came from there. And a lot of it is paid to play. And I refuse personally to be compromised. And it seems like you are as well, because we are builders, you and manufacturing, me in tech, so. And President Trump as well, because let's remember, he's a builder from Queens, New York. He knows how to talk, talk to the plumbers, the electricians, the craft people. And so he's the first one. I mean, I've met him personally, and he's the first one in, and he talks to everybody on the ground floor. I think that came from his dad, Fred. Right. And so that's how you minimize the swamp. You actually outwork them, and you just become so productive. That's really the spirit of American innovation and entrepreneurship. That's why we have all these innovation, whether it's the railroad, the car, the, you know, the telephone, the Internet, AI, a lot of the great American blockchain that we're trying to push offshore now we're on shoring many of these companies. So I'm really excited that we have a president and hopefully getting more people and hopefully we can seduce you back to running for office Tutor. Because we need more doers and builders in this country who can communicate and think big, but who can actually do things and be very specific with the way they communicate. And so we look at President Trump's policies, promises made and promises kept, right? With the big beautiful bill, he talked about taking care of his base, the working class, specifically. What does that mean? Well, then that translates to no taxes on tips, on overtime. That's what the working class is all about. Also uniting the investor class, right, Extending a lot of those 2016 jobs. Act for the light industrial investments. The vehicles that many of these small, medium sized businesses have, you know, part of the opportunity zones, if you have like a light industrial truck, aircraft for hauling stuff around. These are like the specifics of running a business to really jumpstart our economy. Manufacturing here in the US and also all these wonderful trade deals. Now we have $750 billion from the EU coming into the US 550 billion from Japan alone. I brought in a small amount, 64 billion from the country of Vietnam. And I'm helping with like some small, you know, investments. A small, medium sized country that was war torn, but, you know, Vietnam' doing what it can to really be a great ally of the United States. And, you know, President Trump knows how to do these deals and align everyone's interests. So it's a win, win. It's easy to say this, but the, the devil is in the details, right? To like wake up really early, be a deal junkie. Look at all the details. I mean, you know, with manufacturing, it's all about the supply chain. It's all about your workforce. So you have to want to be curious about that and get all the ducks in a row. And, you know, it's not that hard at the end of the day, but we just have a president and hopefully a party in charge that is, you know, willing to get down to business.
Tudor Dixon
And I think it's, it is an interesting party. You talked about the Bushes, you talked about the Clintons and the Obamas and, and that being kind of like a different type of governing. And, and Trump is, I do believe, different because obviously we see RFK in there. We like, we see Tulsi Gabbard, but we also see Pete Hegseth and, and Pam Bondi and, and it's an interesting group of people. Who don't necessarily. They're not necessarily lifelong Republicans. They are lifelong Americans. And it's a really different message than we've seen in the past. And I think there are a lot of people out there saying, well, how do we continue this? Because Trump has four years. How in. There is no other Donald Trump, no matter what who you create or groom below him, there's no one that's going to be Donald. So how do you keep the swamp at bay? And I think one of the things that you were covering was you're talking about AI. You're talking about investment, you're talking about money coming in from overseas. But I've also heard you talk about a secure border. And as you talked about the workforce, it made me think about the importance of making sure that people are treated right in this country, because we've heard all of these folks on the left complaining, oh, if you shut the border, we won't have people to clean our toilets and pick our vegetables and get our fruit to the grocery store. And I kind of. I have to push back on that a little bit, because if those people are needed, a closed border allows us to make sure that the right people are coming through and that they're also being paid well, that they are being taken care of. If you're being paid under the table, you're essentially slave labor.
Allison Wynn
That's right. We're actually taking better care of the immigrants. We need to close the border. We can't. This whole open border, open sanctuary. I live in San Francisco, so. So this social science experiment has failed. Okay? I've been on tv. I was one of the first people on TV to call out the governance of California, of San Francisco, raising three teenagers here. During the whole fentanyl crisis. There actually were more drug users and drug dealers in San Francisco. It's really hard to believe than there were high school students. And there's something wrong with our society, and we have to call that out. We've got to stop this insanity. America first, family first. Okay? And then now we have to get into the specifics of immigration. I'm not an immigration lawyer or specialist. Right. But there are certain visas. There is the EB5 visa. There is the H1B visa. We have a visa for students. Yes. That needs to be reformed. So that way we put American students first. We also have visas for farm workers. Right. And so when we have these arguments and talking head on cable news such as MSNBC and cnn, they are very reductive and say, oh, you know, they're anti Immigrants. It's like, okay, big picture, you know, America is built on immigrants, but hardworking immigrants who went through the right process and is making a contribution. I am an example of that. Who came through this country legally. We stood in line, we came to this country. My parents are hardworking. They sent all five kids to university. I went to Stanford University. I made a contribution in tech. And so now we have to look at the case of farm workers. If we need more farm workers, there is a farm working visa. We see how Spain and France have farm worker visas. We have farm workers visa too. We can't conflate open border sanctuary cities with the specific case of farm visa workers. We have a special carve out for that. If we need workers for a special industry, let's have a carve out for that and do it in a very orderly fashion. As you know, when you're running a business in manufacturing or supply chain, you can't have these broad strokes and you can't say like, you know, everything is this or everything is that. Your business will fail, your country will fail. We love all immigrants. Well, there are legal immigrants and there are illegal immigrants in that. Illegal immigrants. There are violent criminals and there's a lot of them. And you know, manufacturing in the US is very different from manufacturing in the US during the 70s and 80s when a lot of these illegal immigrants came in, during the 70s and 80s, it was a lot simpler. Now it's, you know, a lot of it is like computer science. So you have to be very technical, you have to know English. And so we, when we have this influx of illegal immigrants, they can't actually work in a factory because our factory jobs are gone. Right. There's really nothing that they can do. The easiest thing for them to do is to stand in the streets of San Francisco and there's a lot of them selling fentanyl from the Mexican cartels to our children. And so that's why we have more drug dealers and users in San Francisco than there are high school students. So that is a very specific case in point. I only know about that because I am a mom of three teenagers. But we need to have people who understand the specific and who can have these types of policy discussions instead of using fear and hate and saying, oh, they, they just like hate brown and black people and all these immigrants. It's like, no, we love immigrants this country. We're all immigrants here. Even the Native Americans. They came here through the land bridge. And so we love immigrants, but we love legal, hardworking immigrants.
Tudor Dixon
Let's Take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. The depressing part about the fact that we can't have people work in a bipartisan manner anymore, because we have talked for decades about the need for immigration reform. And what you're talking about is something that could be very easily looked at by folks in the Senate if you had senators on either side of the aisle, folks in the House come together and say, let's look at what it would be to make sure that we have the right amount of farm workers. Because having an open border does not mean that you have. Oh, all of our farms are perfectly staffed with the right amount of people. You can do that and still know who's in the country. These two things are not mutually exclusive. You don't have to have an open border to have people working. It just has to. Life has changed. Things are different. Let's make sure the right people are coming in and that we have a policy and a system that works for people today. You've also talked about law and order a lot, and that is something that has kind of been also something. I mean, we certainly see the anti ace people. The anti ACE people are. That's a disaster. And that's a. You see a lot of conflict in California there, but you have also experienced, especially in California, this idea that, well, you're going to be able to steal up to $1,000. You don't. We don't actually have to have police involved. This has been a disaster.
Allison Wynn
What happened? Grocery stores have closed down. There's hardly any grocery stores left in San Francisco. And some of the neighborhoods, right, Hayes Valley, the last Safeway, the last grocery store closed. And so there are unintended consequences to these ultra liberal socialist ideas. And it is a social science experiment that has failed. We need to go back to common sense. And it's really not that hard. But we need, I guess, like, when I hear you talk, see, you're going deep. So you have the stamina, whether it's law and order or immigration. So let's really think about this and let's go through the logical consequences of hating on ICE and like being anti ice. And let's have these policies where, you know, we feel so empathetic to the criminals and to the illegal immigrants that we come up with these policies that allow them to steal up to 1,000 doll per transaction. Right. And so what happens now? We get into the specific details which the liberal lawmakers didn't think about because they didn't have that intellectual stamina. To like go through, we have to actually sit down. You know, it's like, oh, we come up with something like just really quick and it helps us get the vote. And it's like, oh, it makes us feel good. Oh, you know, it's like Les Miserable. And it's like, you know, if you're starving, of course you should have, you know, a baguette, right? And like, don't like, go after us and like throw us 20 years in jail. So I mean, these are some of the socialist ideas, the Marxist ideas that help to come up with like the liberal idealism. It is very seductive. And that's how they talk, to pull you into the swamp and you become a swamp monster. But when we actually stand still and think deeply and have that stamina to look at the truth in the eye, the truth is very dangerous and it will set you free. And the, the truth being that, okay, what are the consequences of allowing someone to steal up to a thousand dollars? And technically it's a thousand dollars at a time. So I can steal this for a thousand and then I dump it and I give it to this guy who then puts it on ebay, right, as part of a, a criminal syndicate. Then I come back in and then I'm doing that all day long. So it's not even a thousand doll. So we are now rewarding professional criminals. We're turning people and even students, like young people, as young as like 10 or 14. Why work? Why go to school? This is a first principle of now economics, you know, the very basis of human actions and intellect. So we need to think about first principles. There is the carrot and the stick. And so there's a reward system. This is how human beings are. So we're rewarding the young people, the people in California to steal and not work. And this is the society that we are encouraging. Is this what we want to do? According to Gavin Newsom and some of the very liberal mayors and politicians in California, yes. And they need to be called out. This doesn't make any sense.
Tudor Dixon
That's also, I remember AOC coming out and saying, you have to understand, these people need to steal these high end, this high end merchandise. And I think this was when Chicago, when the, the Magnificent Mile was just raided by people who were stealing out of these high end stores. And she said, they don't have enough bread for their food at night, for their table at night. They have to be able to steal so they can sell it so that they can buy bread. Meanwhile, I mean, you tie the way you're talking, getting into the depth of this, you know, people go, oh, who cares? Walgreens is a big corporation. And they'll continue. Well, first of all, Walgreens, even as a big corporation, can only take so much. So their stores have been closing across the country. But what about thousands of stores?
Allison Wynn
And they employ people. Pharmacists. Right. And so if you need drugs, if you are on diabetic drug now, you're driving 10, 20 miles away for your necessity. So we have to go really deep on that and not just like at that superficial aoc. Oh, these, you know, Les Miserable. These people, you know, but it sounds so good.
Tudor Dixon
I mean, you're right. When you hear it, that sounds like, oh, my gosh, you know, that. That. Why aren't we taking care of these people? These people have nothing.
Allison Wynn
We're Americans. We're good Christian. Yes, let's take care of the less fortunate. But are they really less fortunate? Many of them are making so much money, they're building mansions in Honduras and Guatemala. And, you know, we're feeding criminal enterprise. This isn't just small, you know, Mom. And yeah, that's the problem.
Tudor Dixon
You don't have criminal enterprises. The solution.
Allison Wynn
Enterprise. And they take so much stuff, and there's a van sitting in the parking lot, and as soon as they get it, they list it on ebay, on Amazon, or on Google. And big tech is complicit in this. There's a whole ecosystem.
Tudor Dixon
Wow, I didn't think about that.
Allison Wynn
Yeah, there's a whole. Like, we really have to go very deep into this. And is it really helping the dignity of the poor?
Tudor Dixon
So. So how do you. I mean, this is your background. Big tech is your background. How do you weed this out? If you have people who are. I mean, even Facebook, Marketplace, and all these, that could be a place where people are just stealing and selling other people's stuff, which I hadn't really thought about. But now that you bring it up, I'm sure that is happening.
Allison Wynn
It is. That's how they're making money, because they're moving so much stuff. And it's not just like $1,000 to feed their family. They're just going in and out, in and out. And kids I know who are as young as 14, why do we need to work? Why do we need to go to school? Whatever we need, we can just go. And then we can, like, steal, and then we could, like, give it to this person, sell it on ebay, give us the money. So that becomes their reward system. So, you know, it's a first principle in terms of human behavior. You reward good behavior, you punish bad behavior. And so now we flipped it, right? So now we're rewarding bad behavior and punishing good behavior. So if you're a good Christian, family values, you are being punished in the state of California, your life is miserable. Taxes are really high. It's very difficult to raise high school students. Kids here, the public school. We're using our money to support the drug dealers, the drug users, the homeless. $50 billion for the homeless and yet they've built like a few houses. Where's all this money going?
Tudor Dixon
Yes.
Allison Wynn
You know, we need to have some investigative reporters and forensic accountant to follow the money. I'm not an expert in forensic accounting, but I'm just a very practical PTA mom. Right. But it's just like, look, this doesn't make sense. Like my budget at the high school is XYZ and I'm able to take care of the students, the bus driver and you have 50 billion and you can't even build three houses. And we have more homeless than ever before. Where's this money really going? I don't know.
Tudor Dixon
Yes, that was 10 years ago. It was in LA and LA and San Francisco. They each had between 3 and 400 million that they put into homelessness. Think about this. That has just increased over time. So this is just government jobs, government creating spaces for people to go. But homelessness has gone up. So how is this multiple hundreds of millions of dollars being spent if the homeless number continues to rise? But that's it. So the government across the country, government is the biggest employer. They take care of health care, they take care infrastructure and now they're involved in energy. And you talk about AI. This is something in the state of Michigan. The state of Michigan has said, well maybe we can be a, a haven for, for tech. There's opportunities for us to have data centers and to. I mean we have all of this land.
Allison Wynn
We have great idea like native AI supply chain, native AI based manufacturing. You guys should really look at that. Right? And with all the investments coming in, do smart AI manufacturing, I could. That's now that's my lane.
Tudor Dixon
But that's a huge opportunity. That is a huge opportunity for the state of Michigan. The problem the state of Michigan has is that in the Midwest we have the highest energy cost in the Midwest. So people look at that and they go, oh, that doesn't. Those two things don't marry together.
Allison Wynn
Well, why do you have that when like you're so close to. So I know up in climate change.
Tudor Dixon
We got rid of all of our great energy.
Allison Wynn
Well, what about like, lng? There's like, you know, since we kind of invented horizontal shale drilling, there's a lot of lng. So you can look at like the Dakotas and, you know, it's a great, There are opportunities. We can, there is a bad reputation with fracking. Right.
Tudor Dixon
So, you know, but we have those opportunities here.
Allison Wynn
Smart fracking. You're getting very inexpensive energy and LNG is very clean. How about I'm, now I'm just riffing, right?
Tudor Dixon
Because like in the northern things, that, that's where we, we need a government that can come together with people like you who come into the state and say, okay, where are opportunities to reduce costs, to increase energy? Because that to me is the key to getting more businesses into this state. The state has a beautiful workforce. We have machine shops galore. We have all of the, the setup necessary to have incredibly effective manufacturing. But we just have this outrage and over regulation. But if you are able to do.
Allison Wynn
I think it is over regulation because isn't Michigan, the Dakotas, the North? You're sitting on a lot of oil and gas that, you know, since horizontal drilling, you can drill for oil and gas at a much cheaper price and be very competitive with like Qatar, Russia. I, I, some, I know a little bit about this to be dangerous because I'm from the state of Texas, West Texas, and I remember like the tech, you know, the whole landscape change around like 2010, 2012 with horizontal drilling. It got a bad name and a lot of environmental regulation, I guess the street name is fracking, right. And so they're like, oh, it's going to poison the water with Lake Michigan. You got Flint, Michigan. And you know, so we have to be very careful about that. But I think there are very smart ways to do fracking and the filtering to make sure that it doesn't affect the drinking water. And so you have to be really smart with your regulation. So, and you're sitting on so much. You have like the, you know, the workforce and you have to like really gear up for that because many of them are aging. They are our national treasures and they need to train the next generation. Now we have to get into the details. Like we're getting these huge contracts from the EU and Japan, but like, do we have the manufacturing know how? I would assume that many of these people in Michigan, they're probably in their 50s or 60s, right?
Tudor Dixon
Exactly. Our workforce is aging out. There's been this demonization of manufacturing, like you said at the beginning when you're saying, well, now that we don't have these, tax on this, tax on overtime, this makes our working class much stronger, much more financially powerful. They become kind of like the gems that are able to invest into the economy rather than people who have been struggling. Now they have a much higher salary than the person who's coming out of college with a massive amount of college debt. So you have people that can go directly into the workforce and make a good salary. And now with overtime, they can be making much more than the average person. But those people are aging out. So we have to reset the mindset of everybody has to go to college and everybody has to have an office job, because some people are much better. In an environment where you're not sitting at a desk all day, where you're making something that is. Some people's minds just work that way and you can make a lot of money doing it. It.
Allison Wynn
It's not the dirty jobs and sometimes more money, but it is. We have to think about this holistic. We have to look at the energy situation and also the environmental regulation. Oh, we need to save the environment. Oh, that's bad for drinking water. So, yes, that happened in maybe like 2010, 2012, when the technology just came out. And oftentimes that's with technology cycles. When nuclear energy, nuclear power came out, it was very unstable. Remember, like all the, the situations during like the 70s, 80s, Chernobyl. But now, like, nuclear is coming back because we've learned ways to contain it, to really make it more efficient, more safe. I believe it's the same. And I'm not an expert with horizontal drilling, shale horizontal drilling or fracking. Right. And so sometimes we have these socialist liberal and they just get hung up on an idea. Got to save the planet. Oh, that's bad for the drinking. It's bad for the environment. We. Well, what about the people?
Tudor Dixon
Okay, so also, we're all on the same globe. So you'd rather have it done in China. They're just, they're just ignoring the fact that it's actually still being done. You're not manufacturing here. The money is all going to China. They have, they are one of the biggest. I think they are the biggest polluter in the world. We're all living on the same world. Wouldn't you rather the manufacturing be done here where we're constantly making it cleaner? We're constantly watching how we're affecting the environment.
Allison Wynn
Yeah, I love your thought process. We need more people like that in office. You know, these types of discussions where you have to have the intellectual stamina and not just start calling names or saying, oh, you're a polluter. You're just, you know, you don't. You don't care about the environment. It is, you know, in fact, we are all humans. We're all living here. And yes, we made mistakes, maybe with, like, fracking early on, there were like, a few instances, and. And the companies now learn from that. But hey, it's the same thing with social media, right? And so just because many of those companies were on the right, they were demonized. Have we really demonized social media that much? I mean, look at when social media came out and like, all this stuff with anxiety. The anxious generation, right? This is part of the technology cycle where when we come out with, like, new things, there are unexpected consequences. But we allow Facebook to get better and to make apologies. I don't know if they're doing the best job on that. There needs to be maybe, you know, a little bit more filtering of some of the social media stuff, especially with, you know, young children. So not to cause anxiety and depression, but why can't we extend that to the oil and gas and coal energy? Why is that, like, oh, they made some mistakes, and so why are they paying the price for their ancestors, like back in 2010 and 2012? I mean, I'm not from that industry, but it's so weird.
Tudor Dixon
Yeah, you make such a great point because we, We. I think unless you've lived it, and I think this is part of the problem because you have a bunch of the. The young activists are very young, straight out of college or still in college, so they have not worked in the. In. In industry by any means, and some of them will never work in industry. But unless you've been in a factory and you've seen, okay, we're constantly changing how we do things. We have desk collectors, we have this. We have these environmental masks. We're protecting people and we're protecting the environment in. In ways that you can't see anyplace else. But. But the thing is that the manufacturing process doesn't stop. Because you don't do it in Michigan doesn't mean that it's not being manufactured. It's being manufactured overseas in a much worse environment. Wouldn't you prefer to see it here where we know how to do it safely? And that's something that is a re. Education that is. It is hard to do. But I think that the American people are seeing that because of Donald Trump speaking in a different way. But to go to Your point at the beginning, unless you can continue to have politicians who are not lifelong politicians who have not been affected by the swamp. And Donald Trump is unique in the fact that he doesn't have to fund raise. He can go out there and he can use his own money, but he also has these small dollar donations because people just believe in him. That's a very unique situation. So we need to keep doing that.
Allison Wynn
To fix the problem. Yeah, I think it really started with Bill Clinton, who I did vote for, but I didn't understand because I was a teenager. That's when I was first able to vote. And I do think it was these deals with, you know, that was made at the World Economic Forum and back then the, you know, these traditional industries didn't have a good lobbyist, you see, like Mark Zuckerberg. I'm actually at Mar a Lago quite often and now in D.C. i mean, I saw when I was doing this, my Indo Pacific Conference, I actually saw him there, you know, walking around waiting for Donald Trump. So they're very active. And so, you know, I think a lot of the issues that, and I'm hypothesizing because I don't come from this world. I think Michigan, a lot of the Rust Belt state was sold out by Bill Clinton and then reinforced by Obama and Biden and offshore it to, to China to, to other countries just as a deal, you know, and they were supported heavily financially. You know, they had their own deal. And also Bush too, you know, the Bush.
Tudor Dixon
And like I say, when you go.
Allison Wynn
Back, selling out of the American working class, you know, Main Street America, for the Chinese investment into Wall street companies.
Tudor Dixon
Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on the Tudor Dixon Podcast. A lot of this was the lack of deep thinking about, okay, if you do this, what are the consequences of this? What are the ultimate effects of that? And that is that you shut down an entire section of the country. That is the many of we were the manufacturing giants.
Allison Wynn
But why aren't you doing that with Facebook? You know, they were caught red handed. You were caught red handed, okay, with what you were doing with the teenage girls. And that girl who worked at Facebook, she called you out on 60 Minutes. Okay. Then you were caught red handed.
Tudor Dixon
We don't see money. Mental health issues make them money.
Allison Wynn
Yeah, we don't see, you know, the US Government offshoring Facebook or Google. Right, right. And so why are we offshoring American manufacturing? Because of this and that. But now, like, we have better. We have like the scrubbers that's the.
Tudor Dixon
Seduction of it all. Because if you have, if you have health care issues, if you have mental health issues, you have health care issues, and then you can sell. We need to have free health care for all. Health care for all that. Look at what's happening. These kids are more depressed than they've ever been. We need health care for all. That's our solution. It's not that we're going to look at what's the causing the problem. It's that we have to come up. We have to add some. I mean, it's just like anything else. It's like, oh, well, this medication is causing you this. Let's add this medication on to fix it. That's how government is like, we've created this problem. Let's add another problem. Let's add another problem.
Allison Wynn
I've.
Tudor Dixon
And, and nobody's stepping back and saying, I mean, it's the same with the open border.
Allison Wynn
What's the real problem? Let's get back to common sense. First principle, whether it's like, how do we raise our families in a safe way where they'll learn and be good Americans and the principles of American creativity and entrepreneurship and not raise a gener that's anxious and we're rewarding them to steal, lie and do drugs. You know, what are American values? We need to be in alignment with that. And, you know, that's why I became a Trump Republican, because. And I, you know, and I haven't changed. People are like, oh, did you change, Allison? It's like, no, I'm exactly the same person I was. But he's just now, you know, he talks the talk of Obama, he talks the talk of Clinton.
Tudor Dixon
That's interesting. I keep hearing people saying he has that swagger where people are kind of following what he's doing. But it's not just a swagger. We're seeing results. And that's where I say, gosh, we have four years to show results and to really get people on board. And people like you are helping us. So thank you so much. Thank you for coming on today. Alison Wynn. Where can people follow you and find out what you're doing next?
Allison Wynn
Yeah, so I'm on Twitter, Instagram. Ally win A L L I H U Y N H.
Tudor Dixon
Awesome. It's been a pleasure talking to you today. Thank you so much for coming on.
Allison Wynn
Thanks for having me tutor.
Tudor Dixon
Absolutely. And thank you all for joining us on the podcast. Make sure you go to tutordixonpodcast.com or the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Or you can watch the video on Rumble or YouTube uterdixon and join us next time. Have a blessed day. This is an I heart podcast.
Summary of "The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Rebuilding the American Dream with Allison Wynn"
Released on August 4, 2025 by iHeartPodcasts
In this insightful episode of The Tudor Dixon Podcast, host Tudor Dixon engages in a compelling conversation with Allison Wynn, a child refugee from Vietnam who has transitioned into a Silicon Valley entrepreneur, venture capitalist, and former fundraiser for President Barack Obama. Now embracing independence from the Democratic Party, Allison shares her perspectives on American politics, economic policies, and societal challenges.
[00:00 - 01:04]
Allison Wynn opens up about her personal journey from fleeing a war-torn Vietnam to achieving the American dream. She highlights her rise within Silicon Valley, her role at Google, and her involvement in Barack Obama’s fundraising efforts. However, disillusionment led her to pivot towards political independence.
Allison Wynn [01:04]: "I was a very idealistic kid... I really believe in the idea of do no evil, and then got really disillusioned with Google seeing how the sausage was made."
[01:04 - 04:17]
Allison critiques prominent Democratic figures like Obama and Clinton, accusing them of devolving into parts of the "Deep State" despite their initial promises to combat the swamp. She argues that their lack of practical skills hindered effective governance.
Allison Wynn [02:57]: "Obama and Clintons, they were just professional politicians and dreamers. They didn't know how to actually get things done."
[02:57 - 04:17]
Tudor Dixon relates Allison’s sentiments with a personal anecdote about encountering the corrupting influence of political fundraising and the "swamp." This shared disillusionment underscores their mutual desire to cleanse politics of entrenched corruption.
Tudor Dixon [04:17]: "The swamp comes to you... and that's even the dark money and the super PACs... you are, oh, just compromise here, just compromise there, and then suddenly you're lost."
[04:17 - 08:04]
Allison praises President Trump’s hands-on approach and ability to communicate effectively with the working class. She emphasizes his success in attracting substantial foreign investments and revitalizing American manufacturing.
Allison Wynn [07:50]: "President Trump knows how to do these deals and align everyone's interests. So it's a win, win."
[08:04 - 14:10]
The discussion turns to the challenge of sustaining political integrity after Trump’s tenure. Allison and Tudor express concern over not having a successor with Trump’s unique qualities, highlighting the need for more "doers and builders" in politics.
[14:10 - 23:27]
Allison addresses the complexities of immigration, advocating for a balanced approach that supports legal, skilled immigrants while enforcing strict border controls to prevent illegal immigration and its associated societal issues.
Allison Wynn [09:45]: "I live in San Francisco... this social science experiment has failed. We need to go back to common sense. America first, family first."
She underscores the importance of specific work visas like EB5 and H1B, distinguishing them from the detrimental effects of open borders.
[23:27 - 36:02]
The conversation delves into the rise of crime and homelessness, particularly in California, attributing these issues to lax immigration policies and inadequate social systems. Allison criticizes the allocation of funds without tangible results, questioning where the billions allocated for homelessness are actually going.
Allison Wynn [34:29]: "Where's this money going? We have more homeless than ever before. Where are they building houses?"
[36:02 - 29:39]
Allison and Tudor explore the potential for revitalizing American manufacturing through strategic investments in energy and advanced technologies like AI. They discuss Michigan’s opportunities in smart fracking and LNG, advocating for balanced environmental regulations that do not stifle industrial growth.
Allison Wynn [26:07]: "We have great ideas like native AI supply chain, native AI-based manufacturing. You guys should really look at that."
[29:39 - 35:28]
The role of Artificial Intelligence in transforming manufacturing and boosting economic growth is a focal point. Allison emphasizes the need for states like Michigan to harness AI and maintain competitive energy costs to attract businesses.
Allison Wynn [24:20]: "Smart fracking... we have to think about this holistic. We have to look at the energy situation and also the environmental regulation."
[35:28 - 37:24]
Allison draws parallels between the evolution of social media and the energy sector, advocating for adaptive regulations that allow industries to innovate responsibly without excessively penalizing them for past mistakes.
Allison Wynn [31:39]: "Why can't we extend that to the oil and gas and coal energy? ... why are they paying the price for their ancestors?"
[37:24 - 37:39]
In closing, Tudor thanks Allison for her candid insights, underscoring the importance of maintaining American values of creativity and entrepreneurship. Allison encourages listeners to stay engaged and support policies that align with these principles.
Allison Wynn [36:06]: "Let's really think about this and let's go through the logical consequences... what are American values? We need to be in alignment with that."
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For more insights and updates, follow Allison Wynn on Twitter and Instagram at @allyHUYNH.