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The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Reviving Small Businesses: The Trump Effect with Alfredo Ortiz
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Tudor Dixon
Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today I have Alfredo Ortiz with me. He is the CEO of Job Creators Network and the author of the Real Race Revolutionaries and the co host of the Main Street Matters podcast. Before I bring Alfredo in, I want to talk to you about my partners at ifcj. After more than a year of war, terror and pain in Israel, the need for security essentials and support for first responders is still critical. Even in these times of ceasefire, Israel must be prepared for the next attack because it can come from anywhere as Israel is surrounded by enemies on all sides. The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews has supported and will continue to support the people of Israel with your life saving security essentials. Your gift today will help save lives by providing bomb shelters, armored security vehicles, ambulances, firefighting equipment, flak jackets, bulletproof vests, and so much more. Your generous donation will help ensure that the people of Israel are safe and secure in the days to come. You can give a gift to bless Israel and her people by visiting supportifcj.org it's one word, supportifcj.org or call 888-488-IFCJ. That's 888-488-IFCj 888-488-4325. We are in the midst of all of this stuff that Trump is doing, and people are worried about it, and small businesses are worried about it. But Trumpers are not worried about it, clearly, because if you look, they are very happy. I think it's the mainstream media that's trying to tell us that people are concerned. And yet you look at the difference between Trump and the Democrats. The Democrats, they are at their lowest level of favorability ever, and Trump is still surpassing them by leaps and bounds. So what's your take on what's going on?
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Alfredo Ortiz
Well, Tudor, first of all, great to see you. Thanks for having me. And given that it's saying Patrick's day today, Happy St. Patty's Day. I see her wearing green. I unfortunately forgot my green, so. So. Oh, well, I guess I get a pinch later eventually from somebody.
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Tudor Dixon
Exactly. That's what my girls would say.
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Alfredo Ortiz
Although the liberal left tells me you can't do that anymore because that's, I don't know, somehow not allowed. But anyways. So, look, I think what Trump is doing is exactly what the voters asked him to do and why they put him back in office is because it was just a mess for four years. You know, the Biden administration just hitting us with regulation after regulation. Almost $2 trillion in regulations that hit the economy Trust me, that really hit our small businesses. That combined with inflation, and they were still trying to come out of COVID I mean, our small business owners have really, really been hurt over the years. And so Trump to the rescue, as far as I'm concerned. And as a foreign business person, I love it.
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Tudor Dixon
Do you think that's the message going into the midterms, is that this is getting government out of the way, this continued release of regulations? I mean, I. In the state of Michigan. I mean, your podcast is Main Street Matters.
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Alfredo Ortiz
It.
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Tudor Dixon
That's literally the truth. In the state of Michigan, Main street has been shut down because of overregulation. And the fact that the government just comes in and takes your license at a moment's notice, I mean, it's just crazy what's happening.
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Alfredo Ortiz
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, when I look across the country, I mean, our small businesses still are hurting, still need a lot of support. I am so excited to be working with Kelly Loeffler, so excited that she's a new administrator of the sba. She gets it. She was a former business person. She and I have already been in communications about things that need to happen. I mean, look, the sba, first of all, I think, just shut it down in D.C. as far as I'm concerned, because when's the last time someone from Dubuque, Iowa, some entrepreneur, decided, hey, you know what? I think I'm going to start a small business. I think I'm going to hop on a plane, go to D.C. you know, make an appointment with somebody. I mean, I don't know who, in those big offices in D.C. and talking about starting a small business, that's not the way it works. Right. So we should get all those employees out of there, close it all down, push those people out, at least qualified people, I should say, out to the. You know, the regional offices, make them entrepreneurship centers, innovation centers. Right. I mean, they really encourage. I mean, tutor. 20% of small businesses fail in the first year. And if you ask and look at the reason why, the number one reason why they fail is because they don't have a business plan. So entrepreneurs think it's kind of easy to just go out there and, you know, start selling lemonade. Well, you have to have a little bit of a business plan. And so I think the Small Business Administration has a huge opportunity to actually do that and teach our small business owners how to fish. As the. As the old saying goes, teach a fisherman how to fish. Well, and isn't that kind of rate down to 10%?
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Tudor Dixon
Isn't that kind of the idea that we're as Republicans, and I think it should be for all Americans that we're looking at in some of these rundown cities that need repair, need to be lifted up, lift up within the city. But you have to give people the tools that they need to know how to do that. And I think that's what, like I would even say in Detroit. We've seen Detroit come back in certain areas, but it's not because of Detroiters. It's because of people that have come in with their investment, and they've actually kind of kicked Detroiters to the side and said, okay, I'm going to build up this area. And then it leaves these pockets of severe poverty and then pockets of elitism. And that, to me, is the worst case scenario for a city that's trying to come back, is that you can't. You have pockets that are dueling pockets of society, and you can't lift up the folks that have ended up in severe poverty.
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Alfredo Ortiz
Yeah, that's absolutely right. I wrote a book, the Real Race Revolutionaries, and that's exactly what I talked about, is the opportunity that minorities in particular have had with small business and really being the opportunity to break out and get a part of the, you know, the American dream. You know, quite frankly, under the Biden administration started with Obama, frankly, but under the Biden administration in particular, it was really hard to, you know, start a small business just because of the amount of regulations there, the red tape that existed, the inflation that was killing people, you know, wages. I mean, it was just really out of control. And so I think for, you know, for Michigan, for example, I think what the Trump administration is doing with small business is going to be a breath of fresh air. I think he understands it. He really embraces it. He knows that these small businesses are the, you know, the growth engine of our American economy. And I think, you know, we're going to see kind of resurgence, thank God, of these small businesses, like I said, if we can get that failure rate down, let's say to 10%. You think about it, you have 33 million small businesses tutor. You could potentially create 15 million new small businesses in this country if you just focus them on the sba, on creating small business plans or helping these entrepreneurs create small business plans for themselves.
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Tudor Dixon
Well, you talked about Donald Trump and bringing back small businesses, and you talked about race. And one of the things that he still touts from his first term is that he had more minority entrepreneurs and female entrepreneurs than any other president in the past. And he was able to build those businesses and that economic resource for people who historically had not. Not had it? Well, how do you expect that to change in this administration? Because you mentioned regulations. I'll go back again to Detroit. In. In the state of Michigan, the most highly regulated area is the city of Detroit. And when you try to start a business there, they. I've been told that even to get through the red tape of starting a business, you have to have a hundred thousand dollars in hand. Now, people don't have. That's ridiculous. That's why only the elitists can come in. And that's what pushes the actual Detroiters and the actual city, the people that live in that city, to the side, because the barrier to entry is too great. So how does Donald Trump reduce that, at least on the federal level, and then we can come in on the state level and also continue to reduce, reduce, reduce?
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Alfredo Ortiz
Yeah, I think so. You know, a lot of, you know, the small businesses, you know, that dealt with the sba, I think a lot of it, quite frankly, was so focused on, like, government contracts. It doesn't get these government contracts. Right. It was like kind of a doling out of the government grift and. Exactly is what it was. And it was kind of like, you know, the inside ball thing. Unless you knew somebody who knew somebody, you were going to get support from the sba. All that, I think, is going to go away. I think Kelly is saying, you know what, let's get rid of all that stuff. Let's focus it back on what it was, the original intent, let's say, at the sba, which is really to advocate for our small businesses. I looked through that $1.4 billion budget, which doesn't sound like a lot for the SBA, right, 1.4 billion in relative terms to the federal government budget. But $440 million of that was salaries. Tudor, $440 million in salaries. I ran a billion dollar business myself at Craft Foods, and I can tell you that was not my kind of overheads. I mean, I can't even imagine what they were doing with $440 million in salaries. This is ridiculous. We got to refocus it. And I think when you do that, and again, with Donald Trump's direction and with Kelly Loeffler at the head, you're going to see a more approachable sba. You're going to be able to see, I think, entrepreneurs actually being able to leverage the SBA to start their new business. It's not who, you know, and it's not A government grip. It's actually just hard working individuals who like me. When I started my small business, I put everything that I had on the line for it. Everything I had. And that's because I believed in my idea. I believed in the American, you know, the American dream. And I believe in that idea that if you work really hard, you can get whatever you want in life. And I think all that was lost with, you know, especially under the Biden administration. It was all government grip. And so I think all that's going to go away. I think entrepreneurs are going to see a renewed spirit and a renewed focus in terms of their ability to do the stuff that they want to do.
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Tudor Dixon
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Alfredo Ortiz
Yeah, yeah, no, that's exactly right. And they just didn't. They just had a lot of bodies who never showed up to work and a lot of overhead. An empty building in D.C. that's worth about $100 million. It was a beautiful piece of property, a beautiful building. Imagine if you could just sell that building. You create a little, you know, pot of money for equity investments. I mean, you know, with just a little bit of tweaking, honestly, and rethinking of that, of that agency, we can really re. Energize, I think, our small businesses again. That's why I'm excited about Trump and I'm excited about Kelly Leffler being in those positions, because they understand this. I mean, again, if we imagine. Just imagine this. If we were to take that $100 million and create, like, a little private equity fund that would fund maybe the future Microsoft's and Apples, you know, and really, through these innovation centers, these regional entrepreneurship centers, have the opportunity to really invest in those businesses that are the future of this. Of this great country of ours. I mean, rather than, you know, just have loans, I mean, that's all the SBA became was like a loan administrator. They shouldn't be in the business of making loans. Give that over the Treasury. Let the treasury manage. Let FDIC manage that. I mean, I was able to get a business loan with not talking to one person. It's all completely automated, it's all AI driven. Why do we need $440 million of salaries to process loans for heaven's sakes? Get those people focused on reaching out to the community and helping these entrepreneurs. And quite frankly, you can also create private public partnerships. You know, T Mobile Spectrum, Federal Express, you know, FedEx. All these guys tout AT&T. They all tout about working with small businesses. Well, guess what, call them all in. Tell them, hey, we want $10 million from each one of you to create, you know, an entrepreneurship regional training fund and get them to do, you know, world class training for our small businesses as well. And so.
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Tudor Dixon
Right, right. I mean that's even something we've talked about when it comes to schooling is partnering with corporations. If you can't do it through the government, partner with corporations. There is the opportunity to have a private public partnership in so many areas. But one thing I want to say in, in Michigan there seems, with Democrats in charge, there seems to be a focus on the quick fix. And we know the quick fix is never really the quick fix. Right. It's like whether you're dieting or you're trying to bring jobs, it's never a quick fix. And, and so, so Gretchen Whitmer has tried time and time again to bring in the business that's going to have 10,000 jobs. This one business is going to bring in 10,000 jobs. But I've said time and time again, look, if you look at all of the small businesses across the state of Michigan and you, and you looked over the years of how many of them had asked the government, hey, if you gave us a little bit of help here, we could expand. That is your low hanging fruit. Because I would much rather have 10,000 jobs all across the state of Michigan than 10,000 jobs in one town. Because as you get those 10,000 jobs across the state, they, as success builds, they build and then the state becomes more heavily populated and you have all of your eg in multiple baskets, not just one basket.
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Alfredo Ortiz
Absolutely. And you know, you expand it across the whole country. Right. And the same's true. We don't, I mean, you know, that's the beauty is that President Trump through a lot of his, you know, we talk a lot about tariffs probably in the past couple of weeks and you talk about some of the tax plans that he has. I mean it all makes sense because it's about bringing jobs back to this country. It's actually that's why I sit there and I almost kind of laugh at the left when I see their coverage, especially like on terrorists. These government layoffs I saw this morning, you know, they were having protests on the government. You really. Do they really think that the American public is sitting there, you know, sobbing over these government layoffs? They're like, dudes, welcome to the real world. This happens to us left and right. If you don't succeed, if you don't produce, you get fired. It's really easy.
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Tudor Dixon
And the problem is, like, when, when I talk to people about this, they, they say, oh, how can you have no feeling? No, I, it's not that way because I know everybody's story is an individual story and it, it's never easy to lose your job. So if I pick out individual people and say, you know, am I, oh, am I joyful that someone lost their job? Never, Never. But the reality is that when you are even in your house, if you were going into massive debt, you can't just have everything you want. You have to make cuts. You have to make cuts no matter what. And cuts are painful. And I'm sorry, it's sad. But there are other jobs in this country and the idea should be that we are building up more jobs within the country rather than within Washington D.C. and I think that's what you would hear from Elon Musk and that's what you would hear from Donald Trump is, hey, we want to expand jobs across the nation. And to do that, we need to make sure that they're going into the country rather than just expanding Washington D.C. and this Washington D.C. bubble. And as you look at, I think the American people are not so unhappy with this because as they see how this money was being spent, they're horrified by how this money was being spent.
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Alfredo Ortiz
Yeah, no, absolutely. And like I said, when you, when you look at the numbers, so there are about 33 million small businesses in this country with failure rate of 20%. Right. You drop that to 10%, you potentially create 15 million new businesses employing two persons. That's 30 million people right there. I'm sure that we can take some of those government employees and those small business would love to employ them. I think the problem is that these government employees, and look, I have a heart, of course, I mean, I came from nothing to where I am today, so I know what struggle is like. But I also know that I worked my behind off to get to where I am. And I think the people who work their behind off are going to be successful and are going to be just fine because they are going to figure it out. They're going to figure out how to work. The people that are balking are the ones that are like, wait a minute. For four years I didn't have to go to the office, and now you're asking me to go to the office. Wait a minute. Now you're asking me to, like, produce emails that says what I'm actually doing.
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Tudor Dixon
Which I always had to do at my offices. There was never a time when I could just go to work and do nothing. I always had timesheets and always had to fill out what I was doing. It's outrageous to think that people are upset about this. And where were all the protests when the Keystone pipeline got shut down and they said, go build solar panels for 1099 an hour. And where were all the protests when everybody got fired for not having a vaccine? And I'm serious about that because I'm like, I didn't see anybody freaking out about what. Every time Joe Biden cut jobs, they were like, this is fantastic. Those losers deserve it. What? And we're not saying that. We're saying this is how, this is how you rebuild the country. This is how you, you become well after being so many years of being sick. And if you don't believe that the United States, their economy is sick right now, you are out of your mind. And people say, why is it Donald Trump doing this? It's going to make it worse. Like I said, you got to feel a little pain when you have overspent, when you are totally overextended. You have to make cuts. You're going to have to feel a little pain to get yourself back on track. He knows what he's doing and he's not shy about it. It's not like he's going, oh, no, I think it's going to work. He's saying, this is a serious situation. And you know what? I know that there's going to be a few months in here that are going to be rough, but I have four years to turn this around.
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Alfredo Ortiz
Yeah. You know, I sit there and it just boggles my mind. Right? I mean, we're 37 trillion. 36, 37. I don't even know the number anymore. Something like that. Trillion.
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Tudor Dixon
And think about how you say that. And people don't even have the concept of one trillion. You could be off one or, or.
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Alfredo Ortiz
I know at this point, I don't know. Trillion, 36, 37, 38. I don't like. It's, it's so mind Boggling. We. We are going to go bankrupt as a country, period. I mean, we all have households, we all have household budgets. We all know that if we have spending that's a thousand times more than what we make, we're not going to survive. Our. But our households will just go belly up. I mean, and so there will have to be. There has to be some pain, just like we all do in our own households, right? When times get tough or people lose their jobs, you cut back, you pull back and you make some sacrifices. But you have to do that to restore where you are and get your balance back. We are out of balance as a country with that kind of debt. Nobody's really talking about it. And the problem also, too, is that the economy under Biden. I'm not sure if we talked about this enough, Tudor, but the economy slowly shifted from a consumer driven economy to a government driven economy. Used to be 60%. Remember, 60% of the economy was consumer driven, 65%, so only about 35% government driven. Under Joe Biden, it's almost flip flopped, right? And so we were basically funding the economy through federal spending.
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Tudor Dixon
That's crazy.
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Alfredo Ortiz
So unmanageable. You can't keep that long term. And we were starting to break. We're going to have to make some sacrifices, we're going to have to make changes in the century or we will go belly up.
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Tudor Dixon
So with that in mind, what do you tell people who are wondering how to invest right now?
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Alfredo Ortiz
Well, I mean, that. That's the tough part, right? Because with uncertainty, there's always, you know, Wall street and Main street are like two totally different things. I mean, my advice, people, is investing yourself, right? I mean, quite frankly, I mean, invest in, you know, education and your training as much as you can. Invest in your ideas right now. Because I actually think there's never gonna be a good time to invest in your ideas, right? You just have to go for it. You have to put your business together.
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Tudor Dixon
That's so funny. I had this conversation with someone the other day about having kids. Like, we were like, oh, I don't think I can afford it right now. And I said, I will tell you what my parents told me when I said, I don't know if I can afford kids right now. There's never a time when you think you can afford it, right? There's never a time when you think you can just go out there and start a small business and be successful. But people do it despite that, they do it. And then. And sometimes, as you just said, some of them Aren't. But if you don't take the risk, you will regret that. You won't regret trying. You will regret not trying.
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Alfredo Ortiz
Yeah. And like I said, you know, obviously do take the time to write the business plan. Take this time to, you know, at night, after work and, you know, investigate, you know, what it takes to create that. If you want to open up a restaurant, I always tell people, when's the last time? Just go down to your main street and walk up and down those restaurants that are locally owned. They'll be happy to talk about how difficult it is and what it takes to run a successful restaurant. Like, do your homework, right? Do your homework now. Create a nice business plan. And then hopefully friends and family or your own personal finances, you can actually take that. But there never really is a good time. I mean, I have to tell you, I took a leap of faith, but I believed in myself, right? And I think that's why I just tell people things are going to get better. I know you hear about terrorists and things like that. I mean, this has to happen. First of all, I think to actually get to a fair trade standpoint, to get to free trade, because right now, we're far from fair trade, let alone free trade. So I think all the stuff that Donald Trump is doing on the tariffs, he is truly the great negotiator. He knows leverage. He knows that we are the greatest, biggest consumer economy still, even though the federal government has been spending so much, so he knows that he can leverage that across every single trading partner across the globe. That's exactly what he's doing. And he goes, okay, I'll just raise this tariff. You're going to raise money. Eventually all the other people are going to blink. So, I mean, and he knows that. And so this is exactly what it's going to take to get back to free trade. And we're going to have to make these sacrifices all across the board. And a lot of these things that people talk about, we can't touch Medicaid, you can't touch this, you can't touch that. I mean, one thing I would really encourage tutor and if you can get the word out, because this is something that we're pushing on our end is an actual balanced budget amendment. Right? We have to have that because, let's be honest, both sides like spending.
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Tudor Dixon
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Alfredo Ortiz
Well, first of all, spectacular people like yourself are going to be there. But we have other great celebrities going to be there. Governors are going to be there. We have Governor Youngkin, we got Governor Kemp, Kellyanne Conway, Hugh Hewitt, Mike Gallagher, yourself, of course, Sarah Carter, Charlie Gasparino. We've got Steve Moore, we've got Grover Norquist. I mean, we've got like basically all the luminaries are conservative movement there. But it's not just some huge gathering. I mean, the one thing I usually don't like about these kinds of things are like there's 10,000, 5,000, 20,000 people. Right. It's not an intimate gathering. This is a, we kept it this way for a reason. It's a small, intimate gathering really focused on discussions of policy of what we need to do as conservative leaders to move this country forward and help move this country forward. We have a couple of surprise guests, hopefully, I'm still in the middle of confirming, but we've got some great folks that are hopefully going to be on their way to that event in May that are really going to be focused on being able to make significant changes in our country, you know, across the board and from an administration standpoint, but also great small business leaders talking about what, what we've been able to do to help them also advance their businesses through Job Creators Network. You know, it started 12, 14 years ago now, I should say, when Bernie, the late, great Bernie Marcus had the vision of really helping these small businesses because he remembered what it was like to actually be a small business. And yes, the Home Depot actually was a small business that started in Atlanta, Georgia with two stores and they were actually like seven, 11 reconditioned stores. And look now 450,000 people. Right. And so the idea is that we're going to be talking about these really important topics, tax on jobs act deregulation, which is so important. We're going to talk about the debt and deficit, what we need to do there. We're going to also talk about, for example, reaching out to the Hispanic voting community, which as you Know, Donald Trump got 46%. A lot of our efforts went into helping them to get there. We need to make sure we maintain that advantage for the Hispanic community because that voting block is going to continue to grow and grow and grow. We've made major inroads. We got to make sure we keep those going. And so there's just a lot there. But in this movie, we're gonna have fun. We like also having fun. I think as conservatives, we forget that we can also need to have fun. It's okay to have fun. And so we're gonna have great folks, great entertainment there. Lee Greenwood's gonna be there, you know, which I just love whenever he does his famous song. But we're just gonna have dancing and great food, so great people there. So I encourage Everybody to come May 1st and May 2nd. And in fact, it's actually, we have a couple things that you want to come one day earlier. Things, things to do in Savannah, which is a beautiful, beautiful city, if you haven't been. It's a fantastic location, fantastic event that we're planning.
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Tudor Dixon
Yeah, definitely check it out because it is going to be a more of a retreat almost to go and learn and. And you're going to take home a lot of information. It's not something that you're going to go and it's like those all day where you sit there and you're just kind of seeing who's actually going to come up next. And if anything is going to happen, you're going to be learning the entire time and. And what a crit. What. There could not be a more critical time to go do something like this and learn about what. What we need to do as small businesses and how we need to grow the country and. And from some of the greatest thought leaders in the entire country who are going to be there and all in honor of Bernie Marcus as well. And. And we want to just say in his memory, thank you for everything that you've done and everything that Home Depot became and what he's given to you as Job Creators Network. I mean, he was trul. And we're so grateful for what he gave as a legend to this country. Before I let you go, tell people where they can sign up and any other way they can find Job Creators Network.
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Alfredo Ortiz
Yeah, absolutely. So one of the things, too, I wanted to quickly say Tudor, is that when it comes to Bernie, is that he really set this vision. And we want to make sure that this event, that it's clear that this vision is going to continue just because of Bernie's passing in November doesn't mean that his vision is passing with it. I mean, we are going to carry this torch. We're proud to carry the torch, and we're excited that we're able to do this the way we are. And so, again, we encourage folks to be able to do that. And I'm just so glad that we're going to be able to do that with you there as well. So thank you for being willing to be part of it.
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Tudor Dixon
Absolutely. Thank you. And thank you so much for being on today. Alfredo Ortiz. Check him out at Jobs Create Job Creators Network and give us that website one more time.
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Alfredo Ortiz
Jobcreators network.com or join jcn.com awesome.
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Tudor Dixon
All right, thank you so much. And thank you all for joining us on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, go to tutor dixon podcast.com, the Our Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and join us next time. Have a blessed day.
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