The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Ted Nugent Sounds Off: Michigan’s War on Hunters, Government Overreach, and the Fight to Save Wildlife

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Podcast Summary: The Tudor Dixon Podcast w/ Ted Nugent

Episode Title: Ted Nugent Sounds Off: Michigan’s War on Hunters, Government Overreach, and the Fight to Save Wildlife
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show (via Tudor Dixon Podcast)
Release Date: October 24, 2025
Host: Tudor Dixon
Guest: Ted Nugent

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on a passionate critique of Michigan's wildlife management policies, government overreach, and the impact on hunters and conservation. Ted Nugent, national spokesperson for Hunter Nation and a lifelong outdoorsman, joins Tudor Dixon to denounce what they see as increasingly anti-hunter, anti-conservation policies by the Michigan Department of Natural Resources (DNR) and state politicians. Discussions range from overpopulation of various wildlife, legislative stubbornness, and bureaucratic overreach, to calls for hunters to become more politically active.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Michigan’s Wildlife Mismanagement & Out-of-Control Government

• Ted Nugent’s Background and Concern: Nugent introduces himself not only as a lifelong hunter but also frames his outdoor tradition as "soul cleansing, mystical, miraculous, powerful" and laments deteriorating management in Michigan (00:29).

• Recent Incident With a Blind Deer: The episode kicks off discussing the public outcry that recently saved a blind baby deer from government culling—used to illustrate governmental insensitivity and misplaced priorities (00:04–03:15).

  "We just saved a baby, a blind baby deer, because that's how corrupt our government is. We have to save an animal from getting killed by the government." - Tudor Dixon (00:06)

• Bureaucratic Overreach: Both Nugent and Dixon argue that DNR is no longer about stewardship but about control, citing both Democratic and some Republican complicity (02:00–03:15).

2. Specific Wildlife Issues & Policy Failings

• Sandhill Crane and Dove Season Bans: Nugent ridicules the notion of classifying hunted birds as songbirds rather than game, resulting in missed economic and conservation opportunities (03:15–05:44).

  “The sandhill crane is a federal migratory game bird... They’re so overpopulated... but you're not allowed to consume this precious ribeye [if you have to shoot one for crop protection].” - Ted Nugent (04:21–04:56)

• Imbalanced Deer & Bear Populations: Both note rampant deer in southern Michigan (lead to car collisions; paid sharpshooters instead of letting hunters pay) and a bear overpopulation in the Upper Peninsula, with inadequate tag allocation for hunters (05:44–06:53; 11:13–12:11).

  “We have such a problem with bears up here. They are ripping the deer apart right on our property... but we can't get any more bear tags." - Tudor Dixon (11:13)

• Wolf Management and Conservation Endangerment: Wolves and grizzly bears are labeled as no longer endangered. Nugent contends overprotection of predators threatens the game population and overall conservation (12:11–13:08).

• Young, Urban, "Indoctrinated" Decision-Makers: Dixon criticizes what she sees as urban “climate activist” DNR employees, disconnected from rural and conservation realities, making rules impacting hunters and farmers (13:08–14:04).

  “These are young kids that come out of these universities... they have no idea. They’ve never hunted in their lives.” - Tudor Dixon (13:08)

• Government Weaponization Stories: Both share examples, such as DNR undercover actions against small farms or exotic species ranches. Nugent recounts being sued over "feral Russian boar" and characterizes the legal actions as senseless and political (14:04–15:11).

3. Conservation Philosophy & Bureaucratic Obstinance

• Moral Conservation vs. Soulless Bureaucracy: Nugent passionately draws a distinction between traditional conservationists and new regulatory regimes, invoking personal stories, Rosa Parks, and overregulation of property (17:05–17:45).

• Rules-Not-Laws Problem: Much of Michigan’s wildlife management is by agency rule rather than representative legislation, they claim, leading to technocratic irresponsibility (17:01–17:45).

  “I’ve got better rules. I’ve got rules that said you need to respect sustained yield, science-based wildlife management…” - Ted Nugent (17:05)

• Revenue Loss and Missed Opportunities: Dixon and Nugent return repeatedly to lost state revenue from hunting tourism and licensing, arguing the money could offset budget shortfalls while improving management (17:45–18:31; 25:34–26:53).

  “There is so much opportunity to bring revenue into the state... We could have an entire industry that would bring in billions of dollars.” - Tudor Dixon (17:45–18:31)

4. Regulatory Insanity—Citing Specific Absurdities

• Complicated and Arbitrary Tagging and Registration: Nugent expresses exasperation at tech-dependent deer registration systems and points out impracticality for users in rural Michigan (19:01–21:16).

• Wanton Waste Laws Contradicted by DNR: Nugent claims it’s immoral to shoot and waste game like Sandhill cranes—required by DNR regulations in some situations—directly violating the value of conservation (15:11–17:01).

• Penalizing Rescues and Sanctuaries: Story of Matthew and Teresa Lyson’s Duck Rescue facing legal jeopardy for taking care of non-releasable birds (21:16–22:32).

  “If I find an injured animal on my property, I don’t need some bureaucrat’s authorization to do the right thing.” - Ted Nugent (22:32)

• Ramifications for Agriculture and Private Enterprise: Both discuss dramatic declines in pig ranches—regulations labeled as arbitrary and destructive (29:37–29:52).

5. Chronic Wasting Disease and Conservation Science “Scams”

• CWD’s Limited Impact: Nugent denounces policy obsession with chronic wasting disease (CWD), stating, “Chronic wasting disease has never hurt a deer herd anywhere, ever.“ (26:53–27:25)
• Call for Science-Based Management: Michigan voters enacted Proposition G, mandating sound science in wildlife management, which Nugent says is now ignored by regulators (29:52–30:34).

6. Grassroots Action and Political Mobilization

• Get Hunters Voting: Huge issue is hunter apathy at the ballot box; Nugent says most licensed hunters in Michigan hadn’t voted as of 2017 and pleads for political engagement to “save” the state for hunters and conservationists (32:15–36:20).

  “If you don’t vote, Gretchen Whitmer would like to thank you because your non-vote isn’t a zero—it’s a negative... If the conservation Christian constitutional conservative licensed hunters of Michigan voted in meaningful numbers... we could get Michigan back.” – Ted Nugent (32:53–34:07)

• Concrete Call to Action: Listeners are urged to join advocacy groups, call representatives, and challenge DNR authority.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Government Overreach:

  “It’s truth, logic, common sense, goodwill, and decency territory.” – Ted Nugent (00:29)

• On Outdated DNR:

  “The DNR today is not the DNR that was 25 years ago. They are in to control and shut down and take the weapons away from our hunters.” – Tudor Dixon (02:00)

• On Not Letting Critics Define Him:

  “Yeah, before President Trump came down the escalator, I was a victim of lawfare by Barack and Eric Holder where they wanted to destroy my conservation reputation...” – Ted Nugent (06:50)

• On Wanton Waste of Cranes:

  “You’re not allowed to shoot an animal and let it rot. That’s immoral, it’s cruel, it’s indecent, it’s soulless. But what’s cruel, immoral, indecent and soulless is the law in Michigan.” – Ted Nugent (15:25)

• On Political Activism:

  “Suspect all authority, question all authority, and demand constitutional accountability, which doesn’t even exist anymore.” – Ted Nugent (35:28)

• On Conservation Science:

  “Sustained yield, habitat carrying capacity, population dynamics—those words have never come out in a classroom in America. Shame on you bureaucrats.” – Ted Nugent (24:37)

• On the Role of Hunters in Democracy:

  “If you’re not a radical, let me speak to you. Just bend over and obey stupidity. And all you game wardens out there, think man, think.” – Ted Nugent (35:40)

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Key Timestamps

• 00:04 – Introduction; rescuing the blind deer; Michigan’s out-of-control wildlife bureaucracy.
• 03:15 – Sandhill crane/dove policy as example of nonsensical management.
• 05:44 – Deer overpopulation, state-paid culling vs. paid hunting licenses.
• 11:13 – Upper Peninsula bear issues, lack of bear tags.
• 12:11 – Wolf and grizzly overprotection as threats to conservation balance.
• 14:04 – Stories of government overreach on farms, “feral Russian boar” legal absurdity.
• 17:01 – DNR policy critique; distinction between rules and law.
• 19:01 – Conserving vs. wasting game, story of sanctuary criminalized for helping birds.
• 21:16 – Tech issues with game registration; sanctuaries penalized.
• 24:37 – Nugent’s conservation philosophy and bureaucratic failure.
• 26:53 – CWD, agency waste, and calls for science-based wildlife management.
• 29:37 – Pig ranching story; definition of “invasive species.”
• 32:15 – Hunter political apathy; mobilization orders.
• 35:28 – Call for public engagement, holding government accountable.

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Overall Tone

The episode is passionate, combative, and irreverently humorous. Both speakers rail against what they see as the arrogance and cluelessness of bureaucratic rule-making, with Nugent’s language ranging from folksy ("I’m just a guitar player") to fiery ("suspect all authority"). The tone mixes outrage, populist appeal, and overt calls to action for grassroots political activism by Michigan’s outdoor community.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Michigan’s hunting, fishing, and wildlife regulation arena is described as a battleground between traditional conservationists and technocratic, often urban-driven, government agencies.
• Listeners are urged to see hunting not just as recreation but as an economic, moral, and ecological imperative that requires active political engagement.
• The government, both in rules and enforcement, is characterized as both out-of-touch and sometimes, in Nugent’s words, “soulless.”
• The episode makes repeated appeals for hunters, conservationists, and rural Michiganders to vote and hold agencies accountable, framing future action as urgent and existential for the future of hunting and rural culture in Michigan.

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Resources:

• HunterNation.org
• Tudor Dixon Podcast

Transcript

[A]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[B]

All right.

[A]

All right. Welcome to the Tudor Dixon Podcast. As you can see, we have Ted Nugent here with us. He serves as the national spokesperson for Hunter Nation. And I want to talk to him about Michigan today, because if you didn't know, we just saved a baby, a blind baby deer, because that's how corrupt our government is. We have to save an animal from getting killed by the government.

[B]

We. You know, Tudor, I'm just a guitar player, but I've never missed a hunting season. I was in diapers in 1949 at the Nugent Deer Camp. It is a soul cleansing, mystical, miraculous, powerful, healing, participation with nature as a conservation, as a resource steward, as a person who walks the sacred wild ground. And I am heartbroken along with everybody that I run into when I go to the gas station, I go to the hardware store, I go to the feed mill, I go to the sushi bar, I go to Whole Foods, where you wouldn't think it would be Nugent territory. It's truth, logic, common sense, goodwill and decency territory. And Shamaine and I are approached everywhere we go. We feel honored and humbled that people connect with us when we condemn the atrocities. Not just disagreeable difference of opinion. We're talking about runaway immorality and cruelty by the Michigan Department of Natural Resources. If it wasn't for Kyle Green of Greenway Outdoors, they would have gassed thousands of geese.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Instead of selling the licenses and letting we, the people who own the wild resources to utilize them with a sense of reverence. So thank you for bringing this to light because the dnr, the Natural Resource Commission, pretty much everybody in Lansing with a D after their name are completely out of control and a offensive to the good conservation families of this great state of Michigan.

[A]

I have to say, I'm almost worried that some of the people with an R don't understand what it means to just get government out of there. There's still. There's like this mindset in the state of Michigan. Well, we have to get in there and control. And I told people on Sunday night when I was up in Northern Michigan, I said, the DNR is not. I had one guy who said, you know, I used to be a part of the DNR. I said, the DNR today is not the DNR. That was 25 years ago. It is a different DNR. They are in to control and shut down and to take the weapons away from our hunters. We have got to stop this. But, I mean, it has gone so far, and I think that we have an opportunity to bring attention to this because of this little deer, which I think is interesting. God uses animals in all different ways. You remember the story of peanut in New York? Well, we've got our own peanut. The squirrel that was killed by Kathy Hul. Well, we have our own peanut here in Michigan. A blind deer that a sanctuary took and said, okay, we're going to rehab this deer and keep it for educational purposes. They have a deer and a coyote. The governor and the DNR decided they were going to go in and kill them. The, the, the deer has been saved because of the uproar. But I also think it calls attention to the fact that you have this outof control gov government.

[B]

Well, stop and think. I could keep you here for a hundred days, a thousand days with examples of. Of sheer. As I testified in Lansing. It'. Disagreeable. It's insane that you think you can vote the number one game bird on the planet. That's not a guitar player's assumption. The morning dove is the most hunted species on earth. More family hours of recreation, more revenues generated, more conservation, more delicious, natural, organic, healthy food from morning doves. But they said, well, we voted there a songbird. Well, you could you vote the pheasant as a songbird? I suppose if you went to the hash bash in Ann Arbor, you could vote the pheasant as a songbird if you're that brain dead. The sandhill crane is a federal migratory game bird. It's known universally by people who know wildlife. Sandhill crane, ribeye in the sky. They're so overpopulated.

[A]

So I mean, if you are driving, no matter where you are in this state, you look at a field, you will see it filled with sandhill cranes.

[B]

And they're depleting tens of millions of dollars worth of agriculture. And not only are the DNR and the NRC so immoral as to not open the season on a wildlife resource that is beyond the carrying capacity that is in the liability column where the taxpayers have to compensate the ag community. Not only will they not open the season, but they'll give you a piece of paper to shoot a rib eye in the sky. And by law, by immoral law, you're not allowed to consume this precious ribeye.

[A]

You just shoot it. It's terrible. It's terrible. I don't think people understand. They just make. You can shoot it, you can do not. Then you have to just let it its dead body go. You can't do anything with it. It is crazy. But, but there's also. I mean it's not just sandhill cranes in the state of Michigan. We have a massive population of deer in the state of Michigan. We are in the top five for deer vehicle collisions. You talk about gassing the geese. I remember not too long ago, it was maybe four or five years ago that in my little town of Norton Shores, Michigan we ended up with so many deer the state hired sharpshooters to come in and kill them. They paid to get them killed where people would have paid the state to do it.

[B]

And not only did they pay them with our tax dollars to kill wildlife that we're not allowed to responsibly harvest but they used bait and high powered rifles that we the people. This is a King George outrage goal right now where the King George gets to do stuff with wildlife that doesn't allow their citizens. And not just Michigan. I'm working in all 50 states. Tudor there are record numbers of grizzly bears in Montana and Wyoming being killed in self defense. They're not endangered. The grizzly bear has not been endangered out west since 1970. I've been in the thoroughfare elk hunting. There's more grizzly bears than there are black bear in Michigan. The sandhill crane is a liability, not an asset. It could be an asset just by opening a sustained yield science based annual season. The mourning dove is a liability. It's not being generating family hours of recreation. The black bear is underutil by at least 50%. The whitetail deer. The entire southeast section of Michigan should be archery deer hunting from September 1st to March 1st. No bag limit and no tags because the trucks don't have a tag when they hit tens of thousands of deer. The trucks don't hit an animal that has antlers. I'm telling you I have the remedies because I know wildlife. And there's going to be the squawkers out there, you know, the guys with the hatchback. Well, Nugent's a convicted wildlife violator. Yeah. Before President Trump came down the escal I was a victim of lawfare by Barack and Eric Holder where they wanted to destroy my conservation reputation by charging me with crimes that were never committed. I did everything properly in Alaska and in California. But Barack Obama and Eric Holder told their US attorneys get Ted Nugent and his name is Jack Schmidt and he's a punk. And the state of Alaska didn't want to charge me. But Barack Obama and Eric Holder with Jack Schmidt who has no soul. He would have arrested Rosa Parks, he would have shot Vicki Weaver, he would have burned the Branch Davidians that's the kind of corruption and the immorality that runs amok when the Democrats have control over anything. So I'm here to tell you I am a conservationist. I reverentially utilize and optimize the value and the utility of these precious wildlife resources that brought great continues to bring great happiness to this old guitar player. And I'm going to keep fighting and thank you people. Tell me all the time, tell Tudor Dixon thank her for fighting for conservation, private property rights and the reverential value of wildlife resources in the state of Michigan.

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[A]

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[A]

We went to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan a few weeks ago. A couple weekends ago I was out up there and there were groups of people that kept coming to us and they said, you have no idea we have such a problem with bears up here. They are ripping the deer apart right on our property. You see it not hunt the deer anymore because we have this massive problem with bears. But we can't get any more bear tags. So we've got bears running amok. The deer getting ripped up. We have, they have a wolf is situation as well because we voted against shooting the wolves. So we have a huge problem in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Meanwhile, here in the Lower peninsula of Michigan we have a massive deer problem. I said, well maybe we should take some of your bears, move them down south since we're not allowed to shoot them. We have no other. We have to like rely on nature to take care of things now because government's in the way. How stupid is that?

[B]

Well, it's real stupid and it's offensive and it's cruel and it's. I think it's, I think it's cr.

[A]

Dangerous and dangerous.

[B]

They need to double the bear tags in Michigan in the Lower and the Upper. They need to open the season on wolves. They wolves are not endangered. They haven't been endangered for 20 plus years. They have exceeded the return population that the U.S. fish and Wildlife Service that was corrupt beyond description for years and maybe in some way still is because grizzly bears are not endangered, wolves are not endangered. But conservation in Michigan because of an overpopulation of bears and wolves, conservation is endangered. Yes. You were meeting with real dedicated conservation families in the sacred grounds of the Upper Peninsula and they are just livid because some hash bash guy and I know that's. That's wild to say that, but I really believe that the people are making these. These regulations. Got to be stoned, ought to be animal, right?

[A]

They are indoctrinated by these universities. These are young kids that come out of these universities that are all about climate, environment. They think they. They don't even know. They have no idea. They've never hunted in their lives. They have no idea anything about nature. They've never lived in these areas. That's the thing that makes me the most mad. You've got a kid from either Ann Arbor or Lansing or Detroit that's telling people in the up what they can and cannot do. I mean, we've got. I. I was just reading about of a guy who owns a farm, a ranch like yours, a pig ranch, where they had young DNR officers come and lie to them and say, hey, we want to pay with a money order. We want to hide what we're doing from our wives. We don't want them to know. But they were really taking pigs off the property to DNA test them, to go back and bring a lawsuit against this farm years later. I mean, this is sick. This is government weaponization.

[B]

Well, let me tell you, Tudor, once again, I'm just a guitar player. I never went to college because I was too busy learning stuff. And once again, I know about farming and ranching and wildlife and livestock. The DNR sued me for having something that doesn't exist. They sued me because I had feral Russian boar. Feral is livestock that has escaped. My pigs are still on Sunrise Acres. They are not feral and they're not Russian. Russian boar is not a species. It's a gender and a geography. The only Russian boar in the world are male pigs that are in Russia. These people are out of their minds. They sent a couple of little spineless hash bash undercover agents to my place, and they said, can I shoot a Russian boar here? And Paul Wilson, who's been managing my place for the last 30 years, said, Russian boar. There's no such thing as a Russian born, and you run into a male pig. The pigs on our ranch are gen. Maybe this is where that confusion.

[A]

Maybe, yeah, they don't know gender, so.

[B]

Maybe Caitlyn Jenner is in charge of pig terminology because there's only boars and sows. There is nothing in between. And so tutor the DNR debate. Me. Come on, my Ted Nugent Real America voice spirit campfire. Or join me on Tudor Dixon's podcast and you tell me why there's not a Sandhill Crane Season. And we are forced to immorally wanton waste a wildlife resource. Do you know that every state in the nation, every civilization in the nation has a law against wanton waste? You're not allowed to shoot an animal and let it rot. That's immoral, it's cruel, it's indecent, it's soulless. But what's cruel, immoral, indecent and soulless is the law. In Michigan. I've had a couple game wardens who I really respect law enforcement. I love them dearly. And I go, you know, I told the game warden this kind of stuff, the overpopulation of deer, you got to have a tag. There's an ag tag or a D map tag or a doe tag or, or a. Or three points on a side tag. I said, you know, none of that makes any sense. And he said, well, Ted, it's the law. And I said to him, would you arrest Rosa Parks or would you think. Would you take pistol from that poor old deer hunter in Monroe, Michigan, because he was. Had a concealed weapon permit because he was keeping and bearing arms. You took away his pistol, charged him with a felony, and then you dropped the felony charges and you destroyed his pistol. Would, can you. I actually went upside his head. I went. You need the think, man. Think. There's a bunch of laws that are bad and immoral. Well, we have to go through the legislative process. I don't. My name is Ted Nugent.

[A]

But a lot of these aren't laws. They're rules that are made by the dnr.

[B]

And I've got better rules. I've got rules that said you need to respect sustained yield science based wildlife management to remain in the asset column. The wolf is overpopulated. The black bear is overpopulated. The sandhill cranes are overpopulated. We grow more doves. All the pheasant, quail, woodcock and grouse combined. And these numb nuts call it a songbird. By the way, garlic and butter. This songbird is delicious. And so is a sandhill crane. My name is Ted Nugent. I shoot sandhill cranes and I eat them. Put me in front of a jury and make your case.

[A]

But my point is the DNR can make these rules that act as laws. It's totally out of control government. Totally out of control government. And you make such a great point when you talk about all of these. When you talk about the sandhill cranes, we talk about the doves. When you talk about the deer. There is so much opportunity to bring revenue into the state. We are desperate, supposedly Desperate for revenue. And every day it gets worse because the population keeps getting smaller. In the state of Michigan, we could be bringing people in to pay our bills because we could be issuing more bear tags, elk tags, deer tags. You could have people out there hunting sandhill cranes. We could have an entire industry that would bring in billions of dollars that the government will not allow because of these climate activist kids.

[B]

And I really believe, and you know the term conspiracy theorist theory was invented by the CIA to cover up the murder of John F. Kennedy. You can look it up. In fact, I know some of these guys. Conspiracy theory. It's not a conspiracy theory that the government of Michigan, their regulations and their flawed policies are against independency. They're against self sufficiency.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Against people pursuing the only real healthy natural diet in the world, wild game. Because doves are better than any free range chicken. Because there are no free range chicken. I got a free range chicken this morning. It's called a cock food pheasant. The only thing positive that ever came out of China. So. And the reason I have pheasants on my sacred grounds here in Jackson county is because I buy them and put them out in my ultimate habitat. And they're surviving because around the state, pheasant, the mighty ring neck pheasant, used to be king. It used to generate billions of dollars in revenues. But when you protect hawks and owls and bobcats and fox and coyotes and coons and skunks and possum and you farm, fence, road, road to road, and you pesticide and herbicide the hell out of everything, the pheasant, the quail have no chance. But on my property, because I'm a real conservationist, I have lots of pheasants and lots of quail, lots of sandhill cranes. I just had a huge river out across my driveway just a few minutes before I called you. So my point is that the goofy guitar player is a better, more responsible steward of God's renewable precious resources than the Department of Conservation, the Department of Natural Resources and the Natural Resource Commission. And that is so offensive, so hurtful to the families of Michigan that cherish our connection with God's miraculous creation during the hunting season. And by the way, tutorial, I'm having an awesome hunting season. And here's the trick that I want to make sure everybody takes home from this discussion today. Push back, Challenge these people. You need to call your state rep, you need to call your senator, you need to call the dnr. I'm supposed to register every deer I kill and show them where I tried to. I have to admit, I'm an old man. I tried to get on the app on my phone and I can't do it. So dnr. I'm not going to register when and where I killed my deer because I can't figure out the technology. And I'm speaking for a bunch of old guys.

[A]

But it's not just old guys. Even me, if I'm in the up, there are plenty of places where my phone doesn't connect. So there's no way to do that. That's baloney. The idea that your phone is going to connect no matter where you are. Definitely not in Michigan. I mean, I get within. I get within five miles of the lake and my phone doesn't connect. There is no way to ensure that you can do. That's baloney. One other thing I want to get to. When you talk about being a good steward, how about this one? The story of Matthew and Teresa Lyson. They have the Michigan Duck Rescue and Sanctuary in Washtenaw County. They have been charged with six misdemeanor counts because they have been rehabilitating flightless birds. And they say they want to go in and gas all the birds. They want to be done with this. They. They say they don't have the right licenses. They. These people have a sanctuary for these birds. These birds aren't going anywhere. They can't fly. They. The dnr. I mean, and I've experienced this. We live on a little lake with a lot of geese. If you have a goose out there that has a broken leg, they come and they kill it. They just come and they kill it. And. And like you said, that's just waste. It's just being thrown away. These people want to have these. These animals on their property, and they're being told they have to get rid of them.

[B]

Why? You know, there's decent people, conscientious, caring people, and that would be the people who want to rehabilitate an injured animal. There's heartless, soulless, discompassionate, cruel people like the bureaucrats who just want to kill an animal. Even though someone has taken a lot of effort and a lot of hard work to rehabilitate these injured animals. Just stop and think regarding licenses. If I find an injured animal on my property, I don't need some bureaucrat's authorization to do the right thing. I'm just a guitar player, but I know if it's terminally injured, I'll kill it and eat it. And I don't have to call Anybody for permission. And if the beavers are flooding my driveway and destroying my crops, I don't need to get authorization from King George to trap the beaver. Well, there's a season, Ted. The season is when the beaver are overpopulated and they're destroying my property. The season is now. And again, all you DNR guys that are getting all angry at Ted Nugent for saying this, come on my podcast. I have Ted Nugent, Real America's Voice, Spirit campfire, and our Spirit of the Wild show tour to thank God for Charmaine's Queen of the Forest. That's. That's why people watch it. It our show, Ted Nugent, Spirit of the Wild, has been running for 36 years. It's on eight a week on the Pursuit Network. It's the most watched outdoor show in the history, including going back to Morton F. Because we have fun and we're honest and we don't produce our show. We document a natural, fun, conservation driven lifestyle. And Ted Nugent, Spirit of the Wild. They could come on. I'll give them a segment. But they won't. Because somewhere deep in their soul, they know they're wrong and they're corrupt. Get it right and tutor at some point. I've done it on my podcast and on Spirit of the Wild tv. I know how to make Michigan the number one hunting state. And it has nothing to do with three points aside. Or rotting sandhill cranes in the field or letting wolves kill all the deer in the. The answers are so obvious, it's like a guy that's got cancer. You might want to quit smoking. So it's not mysterious. It's conservation. Sustained yield, habitat carrying capacity, population dynamics, winter severity index. That's the system by which we manage optimal, healthy, balanced wildlife. So it's in the asset column for us to utilize. With respect, those words have never come out in a classroom in America. No conservation officer, nobody at the dnr, the NRC has ever said those things. I don't think they know those things. Shame on you bureaucrats.

[A]

And there's so much opportunity for this to bring in money. Doing it. That's the thing that makes me the most mad. I'm like, we have this. We're constantly trying to figure out how to fund the schools, how to get the kids to read, how to make sure that we can get property taxes lower. And I'm like, you have this resource. You have a resource in the Great Lakes. You a resources in the, in the hunting and the sportsmanship. And we do not take advantage of those. We cut Those budgets. Every year we cut the budget to make sure people know that you can come to the. To the state and hunt. We cut the budget so people know there's tourism and there's beaches here. It makes no sense. Those are. How do you think Florida has no income tax? They let other people pay their taxes because everybody wants to visit. We could be that same kind of state, but we don't because we have a government that is out of control. You know, it's funny. I was driving up to Mackinaw City on Sunday, and as we're driving up, I kid you not, this is going to make you crazy. There is an electric sign where the government can change what's on the sign. And it literally says, you need to be aware that the majority of accidents with deer happen between dusk and dawn. And I'm like, why are we paying for the sign? And so what are we going to. Oh, my gosh, it's dusk. We should all get off the road. How about we get rid of the deer problem?

[B]

You know, Wisconsin has half the number of moose that Michigan does, and they have a season on moose. Do you know the 60 moose in the up were killed by vehicles? Do you know the revenues if we auctioned off a couple of moose tags every year and had a lottery or something to put the moose back in the asset column? And let's talk about the biggest scam in the history of conservation, chronic wasting disease. Everybody write this down. Chronic wasting disease has never hurt a deer herd anywhere, ever.

[A]

That's the reason you can't bait.

[B]

More deer will. More deer will die on any given day on the highways of America than all confirmed deaths by cwd. Meanwhile, they want to keep spending millions, tens, hundreds of millions of dollars researching it. Meanwhile, episodic hemorrhagic disease has literally wiped out populations of deer in Ohio and Indiana. It's actually hit Jackson county and around the state a little bit. But the point is, the bureaucrats don't care about fiscal accountability. If we really examine the budget of the Michigan DNR, I promise you they spend 99 cents out of every dollar on jokes, on waste, on fraud, on duplicity, on scam. Well, we need to collar all the moose in the upper. We need to buy more moose for Isle Royale. They want to study the relationship between moose and wolves. Hey, I'm a guitar player, but I can tell you what the relationship is between moose and wolves. You need to sell moose licenses and wolf license to keep them balanced and bring them into the asset column. Can you imagine the revenues for moose and wolf licenses in the Upper Peninsula on the Isle Royale.

[A]

I know that's what I'm seeing.

[B]

There's more bear in Northern Michigan than ever in recorded history. And they, they'll ban bird feeders instead of issuing. This is, this is Planet of the Apes stuff. These. That's out of their mind.

[A]

That's. People keep saying, how are we going to get the incomes tax down? How are we going to get the property tax down? You got to get revenue somewhere. There's revenue just sitting there, just sitting there waiting for us. And we are not taking it. And people want to pay it. It's not even like a question. People want to come in and pay it. Well, one last thing. We talked a little bit about your ranch. There used to be 75 pig ranches. They have now gone down to five in the state. The state has come in. They have sometimes come in and just killed all the animals on a ranch because they've decided that the people are. It's like, what are they calling it? An invasive species or something? An invasive species that is being kept on a ranch. How is that possible?

[B]

Pigs are not invasive. I think Captain Cook brought them over in 1509. The ringneck pheasant, an invasive species. The Hungarian partridge. The, the, the, the, the. The chinook salmon is an invas. Is an invasive.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Can manage them in the asset column. Tutor again to try to make sense out of any regulations that by law Kirk Gibson and I and a bunch of hardworking Amer Michigan conservation families passed Proposition G that demands this. The common sense, the logic that all wildlife regulations have to be based on sound science. Here's one for you. No regulations in Michigan when it comes to wildlife management, hunting, fishing and trapping, none of the laws are based on sound science. I know some nut in Lansing.

[A]

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[A]

I really believe, I mean we, we have this marijuana situation. They, we've got a marijuana shop on every quarter. But imagine if you allowed people to have their own businesses like you have, if you allowed sportsmanship to take off in the state of Michigan, that would be the next booming industry. And it is so ratcheted back right now by this, this crazy tyrannical government. We could, we just could open so much money for this state. It makes me so sad. But I will say we struggle to get your folks out to vote. You have Hunter Nation, you're working on it. Are we going to get hunters out to vote this time?

[B]

You know, and again, I'm going to give you an overview that is one of the most heartbreaking experiences of my life. When Donald Trump decided to run for president against all the entrenched deep state thieves, he told us that he wasn't really interested in us cultivating the hunter vote because hunters don't vote. So we examine that. We have a bunch of rich guys that bought all the data. And do you know that in the state of Michigan in 2017 that less than that, that, that 62% of licensed hunters had never voted.

[A]

I can't believe it. It's so awful. Why, why?

[B]

So here's the battle cry. Michigan. I love Michigan. I am the eternal Michigan maniac. I'm a Michiganiac. I'm the Motor City badminton. I'm your Detroit muscle daddy. I spend every summer and hunting season in Michigan because it's part of the Nugent family tradition and soul. And I know I'm speaking to people that really, really are dedicated to this conservation lifestyle. If you don't vote, Gretchen Whitmer would like to thank you because your non vote isn't an, isn't a, isn't a neck, isn't a, isn't a zero, it's a negative. If the, if the conservation Christian constitutional conservative licensed hunters of Michigan voted in meaningful numbers like we did in 2024, if we would do that every vote, we could get Michigan back into that wonderful, proud state of Christian constitutional conservation conservativism. So hunters, I know it's the rut when it's time to vote, you can give up one day, register, vote God, family, country, constitution, The Bill of Rights, Ten Commandments, private property rights, law and order, work ethic, goodwill and decency. Go to hunternation.org Hunternation.org is about one thing and one thing only. That heretofore untapped huge conservative army in America and in Michigan to vote their family values and freedom. And it's so easy to understand that unless you go to the hash bash every year. So hunternation.org Hunter Nation. We know that all the wildlife organizations and charities have done wonderful work for the elk and the turkey and the deer and the pheasant and the habitat that. But if we don't vote our conservative values, none of that matters. And I could go on and thank you Tudor. By the way, she may wanted to tell you, and I want to tell you how much we love you because you are what the founding fathers wanted all Americans to be. Suspicious of all authority, to question all authority and to demand constitutional accountability, which doesn't even exist anymore. To demand constitutional accountability from our elected employees. So we got some of these numb nuts out there that Nugent's a radical. Yeah, I'm so radical I dare to experiment in self government and kill my own food. Yes, I'm a radical. Sign me up. So anybody that's not a radical, let me speak to you. Just bend over and obey stupidity. And all you game wardens out there, think man, think. If it's in a case inaccessible to the occupants, that would be an infringement. I get to keep and bear arms. It doesn't say keep and case arms. Are you kidding me? I've got this wonderful thing here of the Michigan Great Lakes Gun Rights Organization. Join that organization. Be a member of the Gun Owners of America, the National Rifle association, but communicate with your elected employees and go. So in a case inaccessible to the occupants, that's the definition of infringement.

[A]

Absolutely out of control government. We always question it. I, and I agree with you question every everything. I've seen it on the Republican side, I've seen it on the Democrat side. I've seen Republicans and Democrats locking arms over things that I, I say. This is not right. This is absolutely not right. And that's why I will say these elections coming up in so many states, you will see in 2026, I think it's 34 or 36 gubernatorial races. Those are the people who are choosing your directors of these agencies, these out of control agencies. This is the time for you to get really involved. If you are a hunter out there, you want someone who is on your team who is going to stop this insanity. It's going to stop insanity for our farmers, for our manufacturers, and for our sportsmen. So make sure you go out and vote boat. Ted Nugent, I love you too. I love her.

[B]

Take advantage of this mystical, miraculous fall hunting season of harvest. Everybody. Get your kids out there. Aim small, Ms. Small. But more importantly than getting that buck and getting that duck and getting that squirrel and that rabbit and that pheasant and that grouse and that mighty timberdoodle, more important than all that, communicate with your elected employees and let them know that no gun, no regulations, no hunting, fishing, trapping regulations in Michigan are based on sound science. We got to get it back. Three points aside, doesn't mean anything age wise or genetic wise. This again, thank you for allowing me to mouth off because as an American, the founding fathers wanted all of us to mouth off and get the attention of our elected employees and hold them accountable. And you do God's work and we love you for that. That.

[A]

Thank you. I know I I when you said you're a radical, I'm like, I think you're American. I think that's how it's all we're all supposed to be. But I appreciate you being here. Thank you so much. I appreciate everybody who listens to the Tutor Dixon podcast. For this episode and others, go to tutor dixon podcast.com, the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. You're going to want to watch this one. It's on Rumble or YouTube @Tutor Dixon. Join us next time and have a blessed day. Hey, this is Sarah. Look, I'm standing out front of a.m. p.m. Right now and, well, you're sweet and all, but I found something more fulfilling, even kind of cheesy. But I like it. Sure, you met some of my dietary needs, but they've just got it all. So farewell. Oatmeal. So long, you strange soggy.

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