The Tudor Dixon Podcast: The Inside Scoop on Jeffrey Epstein with Alan Dershowitz

Summary

Summary of "The Tudor Dixon Podcast: The Inside Scoop on Jeffrey Epstein with Alan Dershowitz"

Podcast Information:

• Title: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
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• Episode: The Tudor Dixon Podcast: The Inside Scoop on Jeffrey Epstein with Alan Dershowitz
• Release Date: July 18, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of the Tudor Dixon Podcast, Alan Dershowitz, a renowned attorney and Jeffrey Epstein's former lawyer, joins Tudor Dixon to discuss the complexities surrounding the Epstein case. The conversation delves into the redactions in court documents, the nature of the accusations, and the broader implications for justice and public perception.

Redacted Names and Legal Protections (00:00 - 04:25)

Tudor Dixon opens the discussion by addressing the confusion surrounding the Epstein files and the presence of redacted names. He references a statement made by Alan Dershowitz in his op-ed, emphasizing that the redactions are not a matter for the Department of Justice but for the courts.

Alan Dershowitz explains:

"Two judges have redacted the names, largely to protect the accusers, but also the accused. After all, if people are accused, some of them are falsely accused... (01:55)"

He cites the example of Sarah Ransom, who falsified accusations against prominent figures, underscoring the necessity of redacting names to prevent unjust public scrutiny.

Nature of the Accusations (04:25 - 06:18)

Dershowitz clarifies the severity of the accusations:

"Not a single person has ever been accused of being a pedophile, other than Jeffrey Epstein... (04:42)"

He differentiates between pedophilic acts and sexual activities involving individuals in their late teens and early twenties, asserting that the latter do not constitute pedophilia.

Access to Epstein Files and Public Transparency (06:18 - 08:38)

Dixon inquires about the availability of Epstein's files to the public, mentioning the FBI vault and FOIA requests.

Dershowitz responds:

"I think they're right. They should have the actual names... (06:40)"

He advocates for complete transparency, suggesting that judges should release all redacted information to allow the public to make informed judgments.

Conspiracy Theories and Intelligence Agency Claims (08:38 - 09:54)

Addressing claims made by Tucker Carlson and others about Epstein's connections to the Mossad, Dershowitz firmly denies any ties between Epstein and Israeli intelligence agencies. He states:

"There is zero chance that Jeffrey Epstein ever had any connection with the Mossad. (09:54)"

His stance is backed by his professional interactions and knowledge of Epstein's legal affairs.

Ghislaine Maxwell's Testimony and Legal Proceedings (09:54 - 20:19)

Dixon shifts the focus to Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's former girlfriend, discussing her potential testimony before Congress.

Dershowitz expresses that Maxwell holds critical information and should be granted immunity to testify:

"She knows much more than anybody else... (10:07)"

He also addresses the existence of police videotapes from Epstein's residence, clarifying that no private areas were monitored or used for leverage.

Epstein's Suicide and Its Circumstances (20:19 - 24:29)

The conversation turns to Epstein's suicide in prison. Dershowitz voices suspicion regarding the circumstances, suggesting possible foul play:

"I'm fairly sure that he could not have committed suicide if all the rules had been followed... (22:05)"

He speculates that Epstein might have influenced guards to facilitate his suicide, although he admits to lacking firsthand knowledge.

Political Affiliations and Current Stance (24:29 - 31:58)

Dershowitz discusses his political transformation, distancing himself from the Democratic Party and expressing opposition to current Democratic leaders. He states:

"I am now going to be working very hard to make sure the Democrats do not regain the House of Representatives... (31:27)"

Final Thoughts and Book Promotion (31:58 - 35:53)

In the closing segment, Dershowitz promotes his book, "The Preventative State," highlighting its focus on government actions to prevent serious harms while preserving civil liberties. He also touches upon the challenges he faced with publishers and speaking engagements post his defense of Donald Trump.

Key Takeaways

• Redacted Information: The court has redacted names in Epstein's case to protect both accusers and the accused, preventing potential false accusations from gaining undue public attention.

• Nature of Accusations: While Jeffrey Epstein is accused of severe crimes, there are no credible accusations of pedophilia against other individuals involved.

• Transparency: Alan Dershowitz advocates for full disclosure of Epstein's files to allow the public to make informed judgments, emphasizing that the redactions obscure the truth.

• Conspiracy Theories: Assertions linking Epstein to intelligence agencies like the Mossad are categorically denied by Dershowitz, who bases his statements on professional knowledge and sources.

• Ghislaine Maxwell: She is viewed as a crucial figure who could provide comprehensive insights into Epstein's operations if granted immunity to testify.

• Epstein's Death: There are lingering suspicions surrounding Epstein's suicide, with Dershowitz questioning the circumstances and suggesting possible guard involvement.

• Political Stance: Dershowitz has distanced himself from the Democratic Party, expressing strong opposition to its current leadership.

Notable Quotes

1. Alan Dershowitz on Redactions:

   "After all, if people are accused, some of them are falsely accused... (01:55)"

2. On Lack of Pedophilia Accusations:

   "Not a single person has ever been accused of being a pedophile, other than Jeffrey Epstein... (04:42)"

3. Advocating for Transparency:

   "I am in favor of releasing all the files from day one... (08:38)"

4. Denial of Mossad Connections:

   "There is zero chance that Jeffrey Epstein ever had any connection with the Mossad... (09:54)"

5. Suspicions About Epstein's Suicide:

   "I'm fairly sure that he could not have committed suicide if all the rules had been followed... (22:05)"

6. Political Transformation:

   "I am now going to be working very hard to make sure the Democrats do not regain the House of Representatives... (31:27)"

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This episode provides an in-depth look into the Epstein case from the perspective of his former attorney, Alan Dershowitz. It sheds light on the legal intricacies, challenges of public perception, and the ongoing debates surrounding transparency and justice.

Transcript

[Tudor Dixon]

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[Alan Dershowitz]

Thanks for having me.

[Tudor Dixon]

I want to talk about this because there's been so much drama about this and I'm not a legal expert. You obviously were on the case. I think there's a lot that people don't understand about this. You've written an op ed saying this isn't even up to the doj, that the the courts actually redacted these names and they can't be released.

[Alan Dershowitz]

Well, two judges have redacted the names, largely to protect the accusers, but also the accused. After all, if people are accused, some of them are falsely accused. We have to know everything possible about the accused. Give me an example. A woman named Sarah Ransom, accused, wrote a whole series of emails to the New York Post accusing Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton and Richard Branson of having pedophilic sex with young people. She was then investigated. Ultimately, she admitted to the New Yorker that she made up the whole story. So you have a situation like that, you can't just release the names of the accused. You have to also release the information about the accusers so that in the court of public Opinion, you can make a judgment as to whether they're. They're relevant. Not every accusation is true and not every accusation is false. You know, the MeToo movement says believe women. No, no, no, no. Investigate every charge, but don't believe anybody because of their gender. Many women tell the truth, some don't. Many men tell the truth, some don't. And so we have to assess them. So right now, what's being suppressed are the names of some of the accused. I happen to know who they are because I investigated the case. None of them are public figures. None of them are people who are elected office today. There are no smoking guns. But also what's being suppressed or as negative information about the accusers because they're deemed to be victims. Some of them are victims. Some of them are mixed victims and false accusers. It's a very complex situation.

[Tudor Dixon]

Well, that. So that's one of the things that Donald Trump, the president, came out when they asked him a few days ago about this, he came out and he said, look, there's information out there that if it comes out and these people are falsely accused, it ruins their life. Essentially. I'm paraphrasing, but that's what he said. And I think this is something that's hard for people to understand because not everybody is a legal expert. But you know how social media goes. When something like this happens, suddenly everyone is a legal expert. I want to be clear. Pedophiles are considered so vile that even when the most heinous murderer gets into prison with them, they kill them in prison. I mean, this is a serious accusation. And I have respect for Pam Bondi and President Trump that they're not willing to just put people's names out there and accuse them of things that they haven't done. President Trump knows what this is like.

[Alan Dershowitz]

Well, first of all, let's be very clear. Not a single person has ever been accused of being a pedophile, other than Jeffrey Epstein. Not a single person. Some people were accused of having sex with 22 year olds, 23 year olds, 19 year olds. Nobody has ever been accused of having sex with children, with young children. That's just false.

[Tudor Dixon]

So from this case, you don't have any information that that happened?

[Alan Dershowitz]

I know for sure that there's no accusation, no plausible, credible accusations about that. The word is thrown around as if it has a meaning, but it doesn't apply to a 19 year old or a 23 year old or even a 17 year old. It applies to a 12 year old or a 13 year old or 14 year old. But those accusations are not there. So there's no pedophilia involved here, and there's no trafficking. Nobody really believes that Jeffrey Epstein was making money selling women to clients. No, the accusation is that, you know, maybe he allowed one of the people under his control to have sex with Prince Andrew when she was 19 or 20 years old, for which he was paid $15,000. That's one of the accusations. But let's not, let's not overstate them. And, and let's also understand that there is a presumption of innocence in the world. There is an FBI list. There is a list of people that complaints were made about, and those names have been redacted. I know who they are. None of them are people who are currently in office or currently in the public. But there is such a list. And the judges have done the redacting, and the judges have supported the redacting. And if the media wants to get those names, they ought to go to the judges and make an application under the First Amendment to get the names released. They'll be very disappointed when they see the names because they haven't heard of any of them. They're just obscure people.

[Tudor Dixon]

There's this thing considered the FBI vault, where all of. And there's Epstein files in the vault that you can go online and you can see those files, and then you can issue a FOIA and you can ask for more files. Would that. Are those files there available to the public? Just redacted. And that's what the people are asking. They want the actual names.

[Alan Dershowitz]

Yeah, and I think they're right. They should have the actual names. But if you redact the names, you also have to redact the information about negative material about something of the accusers so that the court of public opinion can fairly judge whether these people were appropriately charged, accused or not. None of them have been charged with any crimes, and for good reason, because there doesn't seem to be sufficient evidence to charge anybody with crimes. So I can't fault Bondi. I can't fault Trump. I can't fault this administration. I don't think the administration's in any way responsible. Let me also tell you, I've gone through the records. There's no allegation that Donald Trump did anything improper or that Bill Clinton did anything proper. These are all speculations that are not, not based on evidence. You know, the one thing that conspiracy theorists hate are hard, tough facts or the absence of facts. And that's what, that's what destroys conspiracy theories.

[Tudor Dixon]

So you don't believe that if these files were fully unredacted, they were fully released to the public, that there would be people that could be accused of crimes within those files.

[Alan Dershowitz]

Yeah, there probably are some people who could be accused, but whether they could be credibly accused, I don't know. No, I don't think they could be accused of crimes. Because first of all, these are. These are matters that took place in 2000, 2001, 2002, a quarter of a century ago. And some of them resulted in civil lawsuits and settlements of cases. But I'm not aware of anything that would result in. In criminal prosecutions. And so I've been in favor of releasing all the files from day one. From day one, I said, I waive any person, any privacy rights, any lawyer client rights. Release everything, let the public judge based on full transparency. That's been my position from day one.

[Tudor Dixon]

So obviously we saw over the weekend this event where a lot of young conservatives gathered and there were accusations from Tucker Carlson that the state of Israel was involved. You've been very consistent in saying that is not true.

[Alan Dershowitz]

I know that for a fact, for two reasons. One, if Jeffrey Epstein had worked for any intelligence agency, the first thing he would have done is told me that and told his other lawyers that, and asked us to go to the government and get a deal, a better deal for him. He didn't like the deal he got and that didn't happen. And that's number one. Number two, I represented the Mossad. I was their lawyer maybe, I don't know, 20 years ago when Cyprus arrested five young Mossad agents, and I pro bono represented them and helped them get out. So without disclosing specifics, I have very good sources in Israel, and I can tell you from my sources, there is zero chance that Jeffrey Epstein ever had any connection with the Mossad. The reason the story has taken on legs and the reason Tucker Carlson is making these claims is that Jeffrey Epstein's former girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell Maxwell may very well have had connections to the Mossad, but not Jeffrey Epstein.

[Tudor Dixon]

What is the with Ghislaine Maxwell? Is there something that she would come out and say? I know that she's been saying, well, I want to be able to talk or testify in front of Congress. And there's been some discussion about that. What are, what are your thoughts there?

[Alan Dershowitz]

I think she should. She knows much more than anybody else. She was the one who arranged flights. Every time I was his lawyer, every time I had to fly down, she would arrange the flight. She would arrange for me to stay in a hotel. She was his basic organizer, and so she would know everything. And so I think she ought to testify in front of Congress and be given immunity. You know, she's in prison right now.

[Tudor Dixon]

Is she someone that you think could be trusted? I mean, this is.

[Alan Dershowitz]

She has evidence. I mean, don't trust anybody, you know, trust but verify. But the point is, does she have documentation or evidence? Does she have travel receipts? Does she have, you know, other things, physical evidence? For example, there are claims that there are sex tapes involving Jeffrey Epstein and the people to whom he lent the women. There are no such sex tapes. There are, however, videotapes that were taken by the police when there was a robbery in Epstein's house and the Palm beach police installed a video camera in his public areas in his living room. And there are those videotapes, but I am not aware of any, any sex tapes at all.

[Tudor Dixon]

Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on the Tudor Dixon Podcast.

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[Tudor Dixon]

So you've talked about these conspiracy theorists, and that is one of the conspiracies, is that there are hours and hours of videotape that he used as leverage with these. These important politicians and celebrities. And Pam Bondi, when she first talked about this, she said, I have these videotapes. I'm reviewing them now. You just said these were tapes that were in public areas of his home. They weren't in private areas. He wasn't using them as leverage. And there have been other legal experts that have come out and said, I don't know of many criminals that keep a record of their crimes. Can you just again, verify those videos are not of people engaging in lewd acts?

[Alan Dershowitz]

No. What happened is one of his employees stole some money and stole a licensed gun. And he went to the police. And the Palm beach police installed a video camera secretly in his living room. I was there. I know exactly where the camera was, and it recorded people. And ultimately the people who did the theft were caught and fired. But I'm aware of no video cameras installed in any bedrooms or any tapes of anybody or any extortion that was used. You know, this is probably One of the most phantomological conspiracy theories ever. This, this, this, this just, just nothing to these claims. There's enough there in terms of what Jeffrey Epstein did to make the public legitimately interested. But he was not selling people to prominent people. He was not taking videotapes. None of that is, is true.

[Tudor Dixon]

It plays on every parent's worst fear. Your daughter gets pulled into this. So I think there's this fantasy around that of, gosh, we've got to expose this. It also brings in high powered politicians. That just blows up the story. But so my question to you as a legal expert is, why doesn't Attorney General Bondi just come out and say what you're saying right now?

[Alan Dershowitz]

Well, she should, and I think she will. And I think she should also do one more thing. Go to the courts, go to these two federal judges and say, look, there's been all these accusations. Let's clear the air, let's have transparency. Produce everything, produce the names of those accused, but also produce information about the accusers so that we can make a judgment as to whether the accusations are true or false. Right now, there isn't enough information to make that kind of judgment. This just surmise and speculation. We do have enough to conclude beyond any doubt that he did not work for the CIA, for the, the Mossad, for the Shin Bet, for any intelligence agencies. That's 100% certain. The rest will become certain when all the information comes out. But I have to tell you, people are going to be very disappointed, because I know the names of the people that have been redacted, and they're not names that are familiar to you or anybody else. There are some, but there are people who are now dead or retired, and we don't know whether they're, they're involved or not.

[Tudor Dixon]

So it's not the smoking gun that people are saying that it is. Give us a little legal lesson, because I think a lot of people are just expecting that once the Trump administration got into office that they would start just spewing FBI crime files out to the public. Is there a precedent for that? I mean, has that ever been done before, that you just start releasing files like that?

[Alan Dershowitz]

No, but it should be done. I'd like to see the files of the Robert Kennedy assassination, of the John Kennedy assassination, of Martin Luther King. You know, time passes and history has its claim. So I understand the need sometimes to suppress material for the moment, but we're talking about events that occurred a half century ago in cases of those assassination, and in the Epson case, the events occurred A quarter of a century ago. So I think the time has come for full, complete transparency and disclosure. As far as I'm concerned. I hereby waive any rights of privacy or any rights of confidentiality. If there's anything about me in there, turn it out. I want everybody to see it because I know that the record will prove that all I did was serve as Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer in a professional way. In the same way that John Adams defended the people who committed the Boston Massacre and Abraham Lincoln defended people accused of serious crimes. That's what lawyers do. We defend the most seriously accused criminals and we do it proudly and without any reservations. And I'm 87 years old almost. But I'm going to continue as long as I the good Lord gives me energy to represent people accused of crime, even if people don't like it and that makes me unpopular. That's the job of the lawyer and it's essential under the Constitution.

[Tudor Dixon]

I think that's key that you say that because for people that don't know there were conspiracy theories about you out there too. And I know you came out and defended yourself. And to me it's very meaningful to have you say, release it all. I know what's in there because that should calm a lot of these people down who gets this sensational information.

[Alan Dershowitz]

And in my case, the woman who accused me ultimately admitted publicly in, in court documents that she may have confused me, misidentified me with somebody else, and she dropped all the suits. So, you know, my name has been completely, totally cleared. I did nothing wrong. I've had sex with nobody other than my wife during the relevant period of time. And so it resulted from me wanting everything out there because if you have nothing to hide, you want everything out there. Now there are some people who do have something to hide and those are people who have gone to court and sought to suppress some of the material and some of them have succeeded in doing so.

[Tudor Dixon]

So there are people that don't want that information out there. And I want to be clear about what you said. It is. I mean, a lot of people don't want people to know that they've been sleeping around outside of their marriage and things like that. But what you're talking about, There are no 12 year olds, 15 year olds, 16 year olds in this case.

[Alan Dershowitz]

Not only that, but there are no well known people in this case. The one thing I'm thinking of right now involves a book that was written and the name was redacted by the court and everybody'd be interested in knowing who he is. I know who it is and it's somebody nobody's ever heard of, so they would not be interested in that. But the court has protected this person because the court is certain that he's guilty and they don't want to produce the information about the accuser because the accuser was also an alleged victim. So it's complicated. But this is not something where there's any fault on the part of Pam Bondi or on the part of Donald Trump or on the part of anybody in the administration. This is the responsibility of courts. And they have exercise their responsibility by not only keeping out the names of some people who are accused, but also information about the accusers. And I think the time has come now probably to disclose everything.

[Tudor Dixon]

And that is up to these judges. I just want to reiterate that. And what a devastating situation for so many good things to be coming out of this administration. Right now they're talking about cutting more waste, more financial waste in the government. And here we have even people on our side that are going after our side and saying this is what we wanted. I think this is so interesting because I'm now hearing this is not pedophilia, these are not crimes that what the person who committed the crime is serving the time or served the time. You also say that you don't believe that there was any funny business involved in his suicide outside of somebody maybe helping him within the prison. So you think that could have happened?

[Alan Dershowitz]

Well, I'm fairly sure that he could not have committed suicide if all the rules had been followed. Video cameras, his cellmate remaining there, the guards on duty. There's something, something very, very questionable about that and my own suspicion. He wasn't his lawyer at the time. So I don't have any first rate information. But my, my, my own suspicion is that he paid off guards to allow him to commit suicide. And some of the guards have been fired. So there's some cooperation to that.

[Tudor Dixon]

How long was his prison sentence?

[Alan Dershowitz]

Well, remember, he served his prison sentence. It was 18 months. That was back in the first decade of the 21st century. He hadn't been sentenced, he hadn't been convicted. When he killed himself, he was seeking bail. And that's the only suspicious thing about it. He had a good chance of getting bail. And that's why, I don't know why he would have killed himself at that point in time, but the evidence strongly suggests that he did. Look, there's one great forensic pathologist who has said, Michael Biden, that maybe he didn't commit suicide. I have no special knowledge of that. I do have very special knowledge about the absence of a list, very special knowledge about no Mossad, but I have no special knowledge about the suicide.

[Tudor Dixon]

Yeah, I think that will always, there always is a little suspicion around a suicide. But I think anybody who knows someone who is committed suicide, there's always those questions of why do, why would you do it? I mean, no one can really understand what goes on in the mind of somebody who decides to take their own life.

[Alan Dershowitz]

Well, except that Jeffrey Epstein was used to living a life of luxury. He had, you know, airplanes and mansions. And the idea of him having to spend the rest of his life in rat infested jails and prisons is something that I can understand him not wanting to do. What I don't understand is the timing of why he didn't wait to see whether he got bail or not before he made the final decision, irrevocable decision to kill himself. That's the only question that reminds in my mind. But I want to make sure I limit myself to what I know for absolute certainty. No Mossad, no CIA relative certainty, no people involved who we know about, no crimes. And then the rest is speculation. Did he kill himself or were there other circumstances? So I want to distinguish those factors.

[Tudor Dixon]

Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on the Tudor Dixon Podcast.

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[Travis Holloway]

And I'm Travis Holloway. Welcome to the wealth break.

[Rodney Williams]

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[Rodney Williams]

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[Travis Holloway]

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[Rodney Williams]

So if you're ready for a podcast as much as about people as it is about money, you're in the right place.

[Travis Holloway]

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[Tudor Dixon]

So I'll ask you one more thing that you may not know anything about, but there is obviously the question of was there a true love story between he and Ghislaine or was this just business?

[Alan Dershowitz]

Oh, no, it was a love story. I saw them together, but it ended. It ended. And they remain friends and close associates. And I think it would be very interesting to give her immunity and let her tell the whole story because she knows probably more than any living human being the whole story. And I have to tell you, when the whole story comes out, a lot of it will be ho hum. A lot of it will be boring, boring, boring. This is not the Bo Diddy case. This is not some of these other cases. This is a case of one man who had perverted sex with some people who are underage. Many people who are not underage. There was no big trafficking or big conspiracy. But I think Ghislaine Maxwell, if she's given immunity, could testify and disclose more than any other human being.

[Tudor Dixon]

What really went on her team is now saying, since this has come up and the administration is saying there's nothing to release, that she should be released from jail. What's your opinion of that?

[Alan Dershowitz]

I think she's gotten a sentence that's far too long for what was alleged she did. And I think it would be the right thing to do to commute her sentence to time served and let her testify and let her provide transparency in all the evidence. I think that would be a good final ending. Look, if Jeffrey Epstein hadn't committed suicide, she never would have been prosecuted and certainly never would have gotten this 20 year sentence that she got. She is serving his sentence, basically, and she is a surrogate for him. And that's just not fair to her.

[Tudor Dixon]

Wow. Interesting. I guess that's a perspective we've never really heard. I do think that it's been so sensationalized that people haven't dug deep into the actual facts of the case. So I appreciate you being here today to talk to us about it and tell us things that we didn't know.

[Alan Dershowitz]

Happy to do it. I'm always interested in helping to create transparency and truth. That's what the American public is entitled to.

[Tudor Dixon]

Well, speaking of that, I want you to talk a little bit about your book because we talked about it the last time you were on here. But just tell people where they can get it. It's called the Preventative State. The challenge of preventing serious harms while preserving essential liberties.

[Alan Dershowitz]

Well, it's all about what's going on today in the world. It's about deportation, it's about terrorism. It's about what the United States did in the bombing of the Iranian nuclear reactors. It's about. But when a government takes action not in response, but in anticipation of harms, and it tries to balance the need to take preventive action against the need to prevent violations of civil liberties. And you can get [e-mail] the New York Times has canceled it. They won't review it. They've reviewed all my books.

[Tudor Dixon]

Are you serious? I didn't know that.

[Alan Dershowitz]

Yeah, no, they won't review it. And they reviewed every one of my books pretty much before I defended Donald Trump. But as soon as I defended Donald Trump, the New York Times canceled me. Harvard Club of New York had invited me to give a speech about the preventive state. And then some people Complained because I had defended Donald Trump. So the Harvard. The Harvard Club canceled me. The 92nd Street Y canceled me. So if you want to fight back against this kind of cancellation, go to Amazon, buy the book. I think you'll enjoy it.

[Tudor Dixon]

You will enjoy it. I read it. It is, like I said the last time you were on, it's essential for anybody who is in office or running for office. But if you're listening to this podcast, I know you're interested in politics. It'll tell you so much, and it'll just make you more intelligent. I love. I love anything you put out. I follow you. I think that you've been. You've gone from being a Democrat to being out there and speaking on both sides. And I appreciate someone who's just willing, like you said, to be transparent and expose the truth more than.

[Alan Dershowitz]

No longer a Democrat. I am now going to be working very hard to make sure the Democrats do not regain the House of Representatives. I do not want to see OAC in positions of authority. I don't want to see Mandami. I don't want to see Bernie Sanders. These are people who endanger America. And so I'm no longer. I'm not a Republican, but I'm anti the Democratic Party as it exists now. I quote Ronald Reagan. I didn't leave the Democratic Party.

[Tudor Dixon]

That left me the Mamdani thing. Being in D.C. ro Khanna came out of the meeting with him and said, I've been enlightened. I think he's very interesting. Even Debbie Dingell out of Michigan is giving him accolades. She prides herself on being a moderate. This guy is. I think the president's right when he says he's a communist. The answers that he has to things, they're not socialism. They go straight to communism. When you say seize the means of production, that's communism.

[Alan Dershowitz]

Well, you know, whatever label you put it, he's very bad, very dangerous to New York. He will destroy the city. He's dangerous to the Jewish community. You know, he has admitted that globalizing Intifada means different things to different people. That basically admits that to some people it means kill the Jews. Right. And he was prepared to support that. He now says he doesn't support it. I don't trust him. So I'm going to do everything in my power to see him defeated. But right now, the polls show that it looks like he will be the next mayor of New York. And that will be a terrible, terrible thing for New York. When you think about some of the people who have been mayors of New York, some of the great people who have been mayors of New York. But he would be just awful for the city, awful for the country, and awful for world peace. So I'm completely and totally against him.

[Tudor Dixon]

One of the most important cities in the world, probably the most important financial city in the world. And obviously we are on your side and we'll be watching it as well. Alan Dershowitz, thank you so much for joining me today.

[Alan Dershowitz]

Thanks for having me on your wonderful podcast. I enjoy, I enjoy very much watching it.

[Tudor Dixon]

Thank you. And thank you all for joining us as well on the Tudor Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, go to tutor dixonpodcast.com the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and check out the full video on Rumble Tutor Dixon and join us next time. Have a blessed day. If you eat too many ultra processed foods, you could be starving your gut microbes and they'll get hangry. That's one of many things I learned after working on a new audio course about the gut microbiome. You can learn how to keep your gut happy by listening to Try this from the Washington Post. I'm Christina Quinn. I host Try this. Dig in with me on practical advice for life's common challenges. Follow Try this right now, wherever you're listening. Seriously, try it.

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