The Tudor Dixon Podcast: The Real Story Behind Michelle Obama’s Comments with Stacy Washington

Summary

The Tudor Dixon Podcast: The Real Story Behind Michelle Obama’s Comments with Stacy Washington

Date: November 19, 2025
Duration: ~39 minutes
Guests: Tudor Dixon (Host), Stacy Washington (Guest, host of “Stacy on the Right”)

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Overview

This episode of The Tudor Dixon Podcast dissects recent public comments from former First Lady Michelle Obama regarding her experiences with race, hair, and public perception, particularly criticisms stemming from her time in the White House. Joined by conservative commentator and Sirius XM host Stacy Washington, Tudor Dixon explores the context of Obama’s remarks, the cultural landscape for Black women in America, and the broader implications—both political and societal—of the Obamas’ continued prominence in national conversation. The discussion is candid and often humorous, moving from personal anecdotes to pointed cultural critique.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Michelle Obama’s Comments on Hair and Race

[00:51-03:51, 14:50-15:48]

• Clip played of Michelle Obama: Obama discusses why she wears braids, describing the difficulties Black women face in adhering to Eurocentric beauty standards (straight hair), their longing for “hair freedom,” social pressures in professional and casual settings, and the need for laws protecting Black hair.
• Stacy Washington contextualizes: Past stigma around natural Black hair, especially in the military and corporate world, but argues that societal change has rendered much of this debate outdated. She references Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson wearing sisterlocks as a sign of progress.

  “So she's referring to a lot of different things there...But the issue that I have with what she said is that's the 70s and the 80s, and it is the year of our Lord 2025, where one of our Supreme Court justices has sisterlocks.” (Stacy Washington, 06:04)

• Critiques Obama’s focus: Both Dixon and Washington would prefer Obama address issues like family breakdown, public health, and broader American cultural concerns instead of “beauty shop” conversations.

The Double Standard for Women in Public Life

[08:16–11:10]

• Both hosts share personal experiences, agreeing that women in public life, regardless of race, are harshly judged for physical appearance—hair, makeup, clothing—while men are not.

  “Men can wear the same shirt, the same vest, the same jeans everywhere... If I was...” (Tudor Dixon, 09:52)

• Dixon describes the critical scrutiny she endured while running for office; Washington draws parallels with the First Lady’s unique pressures.

Criticism of Michelle Obama: Race, Gender, and Ingratitude

[11:10–13:10]

• Stacy rejects conspiracies (e.g., Michelle Obama is a “biological man”):

  “I've actually lost opportunities in media because I don't believe she's a biological man. And I think it's ridiculous for us to assert that because we actually have really great criticisms...She is a hardcore leftist that is anti American.” (Stacy Washington, 10:29)

• The hosts lament what they perceive as Obama's fixation on race and perceived lack of gratitude for her historic position and the support she received from Americans of all races.

Michelle Obama’s Experiences with Racism and Societal Presentation

[14:50–17:00]

• Playing another clip, Obama recalls her realization that clothing, hair, and speech could “protect her from the microaggressions of racism.”
• Washington critiques Obama for missing opportunities to promote empowered, multifaceted visions of American womanhood, instead seeing her as fixated on grievance.

Cultural Archetypes and the Role of First Ladies

[17:00–18:29]

• Washington emphasizes that globally, American men and women are seen as aspirational archetypes. She believes Obama squanders her cultural influence by focusing on personal resentment instead of national unity or achievement.

The Obamas, Wealth, and Political Influence

[18:29–24:00]

• Both hosts discuss the Obamas’ vast financial success post-White House and find Obama’s narrative of oppression discordant with her status.

  “...they went to the White House...worth a couple million...came out with a $60 million deal with Netflix...book deal...tickets to go listen to her talk about the book for $800 a pop.” (Stacy Washington, 18:31)

• Washington accuses the Obamas of “speaking down” to America and carrying a message of “you’re not awesome”—contrasted with Trump’s message of American greatness.

Speculation Over Michelle Obama Running for President

[24:18–34:27]

• The hosts are skeptical yet wary about rumors of Michelle Obama gearing up for a 2028 presidential run.
• Washington notes Michelle’s new book and increased media presence as possible signs, while recounting James Carville’s recent remarks about future Democratic strategy and potential Supreme Court changes.

  “I believe she's gearing up for that because otherwise, why do we have to listen to her? ...Why is she doing a podcast if she hates the spotlight?” (Stacy Washington, 26:15)

• Both agree that identity politics (“we need a woman president”) should not outweigh criteria of competence and American values.

Broader Cultural Critique and Closing Thoughts

[34:27–37:20]

• Washington criticizes what she calls Michelle Obama’s “malicious empathy”—casting herself as a perpetual victim despite privilege.

  “They are the ultimate bullies...Do not go sit in the corner and feel bad for Michelle Obama because she has it made. She is...This is a manipulation. This is how bullies work. I mean, this is like a bad marriage we're in with them.” (Tudor Dixon, 35:50)

• Both women maintain that American society, Black women especially, have moved past many of the barriers Obama cites; they believe her narrative is outdated.
• Washington closes by rallying listeners to focus on what unites women across backgrounds, rather than divisions.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Stacy Washington, on the hair debate:

  “That's where I'm still living there. She's still living in the 70s and the 80s.” [06:41]

• Tudor Dixon, on women’s public scrutiny:

  “And your husband is ready in five minutes and you're like, I'll be there in an hour. This is not a white versus black thing.” [08:49]

• Stacy Washington, on Michelle Obama’s legacy:

  “She has a hang up about race and she has an ingratitude problem. She's not grateful.” [07:53]

• Stacy Washington, on the White House experience:

  “...living there, just being in the residence. The area they don't open to the public...there's always something amazing about being there...And last time I was there...there's a portrait of Michelle Obama there...it was so beautiful...she's just so ungrateful.” [11:22]

• Tudor Dixon, on Michelle Obama’s national appeal:

  “She did not get elected by just black people. She got elected by a lot of white people.” [13:10]

• Stacy Washington, on possible Obama candidacy:

  “But there's something different about the way...she's trying to identify with all the people in the country who aren't white. And so you still need white people to vote for you...” [26:27]

• Stacy Washington, on women’s shared experiences:

  “...when I sit around with my friends at lunch and we start talking about hair...most of my friends are white, they're complaining about their hair in the same way that I'm complaining about mine.” [31:57]

• Tudor Dixon, on the Obamas' effect:

  “They are the ultimate bullies. And I think when you hear people talk about malicious empathy, this is what we're talking about.” [35:50]

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Important Timestamps

• 00:52: Stacy introduced, explains her perspective on Michelle Obama’s comments
• 02:13: Clip played: Michelle Obama on hair, beauty standards, swimming, and work
• 06:00: Stacy contextualizes hair politics in the military and society (“That’s the 70s and the 80s…”)
• 08:16: Discussion shifts to women’s appearance pressures vs. men’s
• 11:22: Stacy on the privilege and experiences of living in the White House
• 14:50: Clip played: Obama on using clothing, hair, and speech as protection against racism
• 15:50: Washington critiques missed opportunities for positive messaging
• 18:30: Reflection on the Obamas’ post-White House riches
• 24:18: Speculation on Michelle Obama running in 2028
• 35:50: “Ultimate bullies”—malicious empathy and criticism
• 37:19: Broader reflections on unity among women

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Final Thoughts

The episode is a critical, sometimes personal, conversation about Michelle Obama's recent public statements and perceived worldview. Tudor Dixon and Stacy Washington use Obama’s comments as a springboard for a broader critique of identity politics, privilege, and the current state of debate on race and womanhood in America. The conversation is sharp-edged but interspersed with moments of levity and personal storytelling, intending to offer cultural commentary for a conservative audience.

Listeners will come away with:

• Historical context around hair politics and Black womanhood in America
• Arguments against viewing current events solely through the lens of past grievances
• The hosts’ skepticism of Michelle Obama’s intentions and possible future ambitions
• A call for unity among women, focus on shared experience, and appreciation for opportunities available in the US

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Transcript

[A]

This is an I Heart podcast.

[B]

You are listening to the Tudor Dixon Podcast. And today we have got to go through exactly what is going on with Michelle Obama. You know what? Generally, I don't touch what's happening with Michelle Obama. She is a first lady. I have great respect for the first ladies of this country, but when they don't have respect for you and they continuously go out and tell you they are, they have never had respect for you, it's kind of hard to not address it. So we thought we would bring in an expert on this issue, and that is Stacy Washington, because she is an expert on all things pop culture, what's happening, current events. She is the host of Stacy on the Right on Sirius XM Patriot Channel. And I thought you would be the best person to talk about this with because I needed another woman.

[A]

Well, I am a cisgendered, meaning real woman. And I'm glad to be here with you. Another real, actual biological woman. Um, you know, so I was watching these. These things from the perspective of someone who, you know, you wake up in the morning and you're like, oh, you know, my ankle hurts, or my, you know, I have to do this or that, that I did do yesterday, or whatever your thing is. Maybe you have some real serious problems, like you have health issues or something going on in your family, and it's the first thing that hits your brain in the morning. And so as I was watching some of the clips of her, the first thing I thought was, you wake up in the morning, the former first lady of the United States, and the first thing you think about is that white people have made you keep your hair straight and so you can't swim. I'm not sure if she's saying she can't swim. She was saying black people can't swim because of that, and I know that. So first of all, let's. Let's.

[B]

We have the clip. We can play it so people can hear it.

[A]

Know what I'm talking about here.

[B]

Because I actually, weirdly enough, I woke up this morning and I was like. I didn't know that we were forcing anyone to do their hair a certain way. It was like, the first time I had heard that. So listen, listen, I'm limited power tutor. I know. I really. I was like. And I did feel guilty about it. And then I was like, no, no, this is the crotchiest rich lady ever. So I'm going to. Here we go. Here's the crotchety rich lady. Here she is.

[C]

Oh, and the decision to get my hair braided Was primarily a continuation of that freedom. You know, it's like a lot of people want to know, what do braids mean? What does she mean? Look, y', all.

[A]

What does she mean?

[C]

You know, I mean, that's what white folks are. It's like, what does that mean? What are you saying? We're saying nothing except I just don't want to have to do my hair every day. And I want to. I want to go swimming. I don't want to have to worry about it. Let me explain something to white people. Our hair comes out of our head naturally in a curly pattern. So when we're straightening it to follow your beauty standards, we are trapped by the straightness. That's why so many of us can't swim, and we run away from the water. People won't go to the gym because we're trying to keep our hair straight for y'.

[A]

All.

[C]

It is exhausting, and it's so expensive, and it takes up so much time. Braids are for y' all so we can work harder and focus on the work. So why do we need an act, an act of law to tell white folks to get out of our hair? Don't tell me how to wear my hair. Don't wonder about it. Don't touch it. Just don't. It just is.

[B]

So what did I miss? Was there a time when people were ripping on her hair? I don't. I don't know why she's saying this.

[A]

Well, there were some really rough comments about some braids she'd had put in before she and Barack and the girls went on vacation while he was still in office. And she would get the braids right before they would go on beach vacations or Caribbean vacations. And there were some negative comments. Um, it was. It was like. It was mainstream in that the people who were making the comments were big names, some of them. But it was an acknowledgement on her part of the realities of having hair that grows out of your head in a very, you know, kinky, curly zigzaggy, you know, depending on what your hair type is. And it's true that. Cause when I had a relaxer when I was little, I. I mean, from. I wanted a relaxer right away. Cause I wanted my hair straight. I used to have relaxer. I had it all the way through high school, couple years of college. I had it in the air Force. I went natural after I had my first daughter, then went back to relaxers, then went natural again. Now I have sisterlocks, which are basically natural hair. Cause there's no chemicals involved. And so. But what she's talking about is a perspective of someone who worked in the 70s and the 80s. Hair freedom became a thing in the 90s. She's also referring to a law that had to be passed because on active duty in the military, you actually had to have a certain hair standard. And afros were not it. If you had an Afro, it had to be under a certain number of inches, which were women meant you had to have hair like a man. So you'd have to have your hair pulled back. You had to wear your hair in a ponytail if it's past your ears. In the military, if your hair is longer than. Basically, once it grazes the shoulder, it has to be pulled back. So she's referring to a lot of different things there. I thought what she said was kind of funny in a way, because for the audience, a lot of them identified with it. But it's not actually something that most white people know about, that in some workplaces, it is actually frowned upon to have natural hair, especially the higher up you go in corporate America. But the issue that I have with what she said is that's the 70s and the 80s, and it is the year of our Lord 2025, where one of our Supreme Court justices has sisterlocks, Ketanji Brown Jackson. Now, I know it's a question as to whether or not she should be there because her qualifications appear to be lacking. But. But her hair is in sisterlocks, and she is on the Supreme Court. And there are natural women, women with natural hair who are black and Hispanic and everything in between, who are wearing their hair naturally everywhere now. So it is not only mainstream, it's kind of. It's kind of like when you have an argument with your husband and it's long gone, and he's even changed his behavior, but you're still hanging onto whatever that fight was. And you keep bringing it up again and again. And he's like, dude, I haven't. I haven't done that to you in, like, eight years. And then you stop for a second, you're like, oh, have you fixed this problem? Because I'm still. That's where I'm still living there. She's still living in the 70s and the 80s. And it's especially illustrative for her because I kind of expect someone who used to live at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. It's one of my favorite buildings on Earth. And I've been to the Louvre. I've been to the palace at Versailles. I've been to castles in Germany. I've been to some pretty amazing places. I've been to Saudi Arabia. I didn't get to go to the castle like Trump, but I've been there. And 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is one of the most pristine, amazing architectural marvels in the entire world. It is our house. But she got to live there for eight years. And so I kind of feel like at this stage of the game, I want her to elevate her conversation above the kind of things you hear at beauty shops. The conversation you just saw her have with that other multimillionaire, that other lady whose mother was mother was Diana Ross. That other one, Tracee Ellis Ross, her last name is Ross because her mom, her actual mom, her biological mother is Diana Ross. So the two of them are sitting there having a conversation about black hair. I would rather she talked about some of the things in that. That Americans, these are cultural problems all Americans are facing with the breakdown of the family. A lot of things that have to do with behaviors that we've allowed ourselves to slip into as a culture, as Americans, that foreigners are beginning to notice that we have a rampant single parent culture here. That a lot of us are struggling with weight and health issues in a country where you can buy everything organic, even your cat food can be organic. But we can't figure out how to get our BMIs within the normal range as a whole. Right. There are a lot of things that she could be speaking into and still be funny and still be relatable, but she has a hang up about race and she has an ingratitude problem. She's not grateful.

[B]

I can get on her hair or argument too. If it's like a. Hey, as. As women, we kind of face a different standard than men. Men don't have to do their hair at all and or wear makeup.

[A]

Men don't have to wear makeup. And they look some of them like they're wearing it until you get up close and realize that's your man skin. Why don't the women have the same skin as the men is my question. I want to know. My son also has eyelashes that stick out like tabletops. And I'm like, you're so cute. And also, why do you have those eyelashes? I don't have them. Your dad who your sisters don't have those. You are the only one who has those. What is going on here?

[B]

And your husband is ready in five minutes and you're like, I'll be there in an hour. This is not a white vers black thing. And that's where I feel like a lot of women could have seen her as this huge champion for women, even with these conversations. I mean, look, When I was 20 years old, my hair started to go gray. When I got cancer, my hair went really gray. And it is every. I. I have to go to the salon every three weeks and have my hair done.

[A]

And.

[B]

And my. And then when you run for office, which I see her as a similar situation, because as the first lady, you're really running alongside your husband, man. Everybody has an opinion on what you wear. My jeans were the most hideous jeans anybody's ever seen. How could I wear the jeans? I was told. And. And I have someone in the background laughing right now because she knows what I'm talking about. How could you wear those jeans? You look like an idiot. It's like, people are not kind. It's not a white versus black thing. It is a public opinion, and you have to be presented. And I think it's. For women, it is a lot different. Men can wear you as a man. Can we wear the same shirt, the same vest, the same jeans everywhere on the campaign trail, nobody's like, that's the same thing you've been wearing for four months. If I was.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. And that's not even. That's not just for, like, if you're running for office or you ran for major office, state office, statewide, you had to meet millions of people, and they were all judging you on your appearance and your attributes, your qualifications. It was a double whammy. They didn't just say, what is Tudor Dixon's background? Then when they met you, they sized you up for what, the way that you look.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So. So the thing with Michelle Obama is she was subjected to some very, very rough criticism. You know, the accusations that she's a biological man. There's a lot going on there. I don't think that. I don't either. And I've actually lost opportunities in media because I don't believe she's a biological man. And I think it's ridiculous for us to assert that because we actually have really great criticisms we can level against her for her ideological worldview. She is a hardcore leftist that is anti American. And so, you know, I'd rather focus on that. But it's not because she's black. I don't identify with her at that level. The woman thing that you're mentioning is much more relatable to me because there are things we face as women that are universal, that a woman in Afghanistan and a woman in China and an Italian woman and an American woman and a British woman can all get together and within five women, five minutes, if we're talking about womanhood, we're sisters. Because we are all facing the same things. Fighting our bodies, fighting the cultural perceptions, and trying to be seen for our intellect and our attributes as opposed to whether or not we are overweight or underweight or our genes are not from a good place. Like, if, you know, men wear Walmart jeans, we wear $400 jeans and still get criticized for them. It's amazing. But she's still missing it. I mean, two years, eight years at my favorite place. We're talking about. Can I just say, Can I just. This is my thing, okay? It's you and me. Tudor. 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. It's 55,000 square feet on five levels. There's a super safe bunker inside. There's a huge kitchen in the basement that's like. It rivals the kitchens and palaces overseas. But the best part is it also has its swimming pool, bowling alley. Barack Obama added the basketball court, soon to have a ballroom. But I digress. Just as it is right now, just living there, just being in the residence. The area, they don't open to the public. I've been on tours there so many times. I've been there dozens of times. And there's always something new to find. There's always something amazing about being there. And last time I was there, earlier this year, we went in through the entrance, which is the main entrance, where they receive you, where you can check your coat. And there's a portrait of Michelle Obama there. It's not one of those big, huge, monstrous ones. It's like a normal sized portrait, but she's wearing a very complimentary color. And whoever painted her really did a great job. It was so beautiful. I took a picture of it and sent it to a friend. And I thought to myself, because I, I don't. I don't identify with her. I don't. I don't. We have nothing in common except that we're both married and have children. But the portrait was so beautiful. And she's just so ungrateful. Like, I'm like, what else do we have to do for you, Michelle? What else can we possibly do? Do we all need to get relaxers? Do we all need to go natural? What do we have to do for you to just be an American and kind of just love us, like, all of us, the white people included, All Americans.

[B]

That's what. So that's. There is this. She's hung. She's so hung up on race. And she did not get elected by just black people. She got elected by a lot of white people.

[A]

And without the white people, they couldn't have been elected. They could not have gone to the White House without the white people.

[B]

That's right. And even, even a lot of us who didn't vote for them when she was, you know, I think for women mostly, the first lady is special. You think of the first lady as outside of politics. Even when Hillary Clinton was first lady, there's something special about first lady. And even when go to the museum in Washington, D.C. and I take my girls through the first lady section, no matter what their political ideology, we look at the fashion and it is exciting. And yes, it is a special place. Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on the Tudor Dixon Podcast. When you are running for office with your husband, you know that the first lady is held to the standard of not just, not just beauty. You are like the example of a woman in the country. And we loved that. We wanted to love her. And actually I did. I wasn't on the bandwagon of she's a man or any of that. I loved the fact that we had a black president and we had a black first lady, but she, now I find out she hated us. And I that and he was living.

[A]

At the White House. She hated it because she couldn't open windows and she hated not being one of the ones.

[B]

I want to play another thing, another thing about her talking about how she had to present to white people because I think this goes right into what we're talking about. I want to play this because I want to hear reaction to this one. Here it is.

[A]

I remember when I realized that clothing, my hair and how I spoke could actually protect me from the microaggressions of racism.

[B]

I was in my early teens.

[A]

Do you remember when you realized that.

[B]

Clothing could be a tool or when you began to understand the power of.

[A]

How to present yourself when you within.

[B]

The context of protection or armor?

[C]

The magnet high school that I went to was on the west side. And to get to it, we had to cut through downtown. So there was a level of exposure to the high end of Chicago and to access those places and not be accused of stealing. You realize very early on that you better let them hear you talk or, you know, come in with the right Lasik case or else you would be watched. And, you know, so I think I learned then that how you show up, especially when it comes to white folks looking at young black kids, that how you present can sometimes save your life.

[A]

So the other part, she said she that America's not ready for a female president. She said that, you know, the idea that the first lady is a archetype of a woman. I actually talk about this a lot on the radio, Tudor, that there is this archetype, archetype globally, of the man and woman that you want to be. And a lot of foreigners might not readily admit it, but it is the American man and the American woman because we're the number one desired destination for immigration. And so if you think about that, in light of what she's saying, that the first lady is not the archetypal woman for femininity, motherhood, and other attributes, instead of her saying it used to be just femininity and motherhood, but now it's femininity, motherhood, grace, and also, you know, work accomplishments, educational accomplishments. I'm an attorney. First Lady Hillary Clinton is an attorney. All of the first ladies that we've had have had some distinguishing factor in, you know, their educational background, maybe their philanthropy, their work. Before they became officially first ladies, it was almost as if they were first ladies in training. And then their husbands were elected and they stepped into this role and hired 25 people and did this job. And so she, again, misses the opportunity. She misses the. The whole picture is that women aren't just wives and moms, but we aren't just lawyers either, because the men can't be wives and moms. So if she's willing to simply drop the mantle, the huge mantle of responsibility, of being wives and mothers and examples of femininity, so that we can just be attorneys or just be doctors or lawyers or, you know, whatever radio hosts, that seems to me like an abandonment of all the work that feminists did. Feminists, the original ones, were never saying, we don't want to be wives and moms. They were saying, I want to be a lawyer first, or I want to be a doctor first, or I want to be a doctor and I want to have a nanny, all of these things are options for us that are not options. I mentioned in Afghanistan before. You can't be a doctor in Afghanistan right now under the Taliban. You can't even get an education. You can't be out in public, seen with your natural hair in Afghanistan. You can't be out in public. You can't swim in public there. You can't even leave the house without a male relative there. So when you look at why people want to be Americans and why men want to be American men and why women want to be American women. It's because you can be an attorney and then be the first lady of the United States and then be an ungrateful. You know, what with a book, you know, afterwards. Two books. And admittedly, the second book is a coffee table book. I saw it at Barnes and Nobles, and it's actually beautiful.

[B]

Millions of millions of dollars.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

She.

[A]

They went to the White House. I think they were worth a couple million. And that was mostly in their residence in Chicago. Like, the residence was the bulk of their wealth. And they came out with a $60 million deal with Netflix. And she had the book deal on the side and immediately did the book, and it sold out. They were selling the tickets to go listen to her talk about the book for $800 a pop in the nosebleeds. $1,200 to be on the floor where. This is a woman who has had some amazing opportunities, and I don't begrudge her any of it. She made it there. She and her husband did it on their own. I believe their election was a mistake, but they were in the White House, and they are former president and former First Lady Obama. But the deal for me is so there are people out there who get to speak into us. They speak into our culture, and they try to change the direction of our culture with their words, and oftentimes, they're successful. Barack Obama tried for eight years to tell us that we aren't exceptional, that we aren't a unique and special country with an impact on the world, that we aren't leaders. And for eight years, we listened to him. And then we elected Donald Trump, who from the very first moment he came down the escalator, said, not only are we exceptional, but we're exceptional to the point that we'll rock your socks off. We'll have peace through strength. We'll be energy dominant, and we will change the paradigm for Americans. And for four years, he did that. And so we changed our perspective, and we've been awesome ever since. We spent eight years romanticizing a man who said, hope and change, but you're not awesome.

[B]

And.

[A]

And then elected a man who said, actually, you are. And what does hope and change mean? And I think she's stuck.

[B]

She's desperate to carry the you're not awesome mantle. She's desperate to carry on.

[A]

We don't want it. And honestly, we don't want her. See, that's the other thing. I just kind of wish now that she's written a couple of Books that she'd go and be somebody's grandma. Like, I know her daughters are probably never gonna get married and have kids for her, so maybe she gotta adopt a young woman who's 30 who has a couple of kids and start spending time around babies again and maybe get something in her life that's meaningful and hopeful because being rich and owning five houses isn't it for her. You'd never see me again if I had a house on Martha's Vineyard. But she's constantly in our faces. It's just.

[B]

But she's in. She's in our faces and saying she doesn't wanna be there, which is ridiculous. To see someone who goes out on tour across the country and says how much she hates it. Her disdain for being first lady, just there. When you saw in that clip, when she asks her about that, and she's like, that's not how I see it at all. Think of what she could have shaped in that position. Like you. She was. She is an attorney. She could have gone into that position and been like, look, we are a power couple. And I think that's. That's what we expected to see. She didn't like the spotlight. She didn't like the White House. Now we know the reason we didn't see her more active out there was because she hated every minute of it. She said that in her podcast. Since then, she's come out and she's just like, me, me, me, show me, talk about how much I hated the United States. But it's. You're right, it's very race focused. But the first time we. We heard her in that clip being asked, you know, what about the presidency? And she says, clearly, we are not ready for a woman, and I'm not going to step into this. Nobody. She couldn't win. Now, I don't believe anyway, because she's been so nasty to people, but she still wants people to say, you're the only one that can win, just so that she can come out and say, you're not ready for a woman. And I thought the funniest part about this is she goes, we clearly just saw that the United States is not ready for a woman. Wait a minute.

[A]

That's not what that was.

[B]

We're not ready for Kamala Harriet. Right, Exactly.

[A]

That's not what that was. And. And I feel like also the conversation gets dumbed down when we refer to who needs to be the next president, as we need a woman president. What we need every time we're electing a president is someone who understands the history of this country, the founding, and appreciates the heritage that we all carry as Americans. And that person needs to be America focused. And that's a struggle because the world has become used to us being more focused on them than ourselves. And so it's a struggle for the commander in chief to actually execute on that. But we need someone who's focused on that. And if that's a woman, amazing. If that person's black, okay. I'm mainly obsessed with and focused on that person's personal attributes and qualifications more so than the package that they come in. And I think as long as we have that same kind of focus, especially on the right side of the aisle, like the ticket for 2028. People are talking about that in Tudor, I actually think. And I was having brunch with a friend who was in town over the weekend. My husband and I met him at this little restaurant, and he suggested that if we're looking for a woman who also has those attributes and qualifications, it might be Sarah. How could be Sanders? And I was so excited by that because I love her, and I think she is very qualified. She's also a governor, which is a great thing to have. She could run with Rubio. So we could have Rubio, Sanders, and it would be pretty epic. But if it's not going to be Sarah Huckabee Sanders or some other woman who is absolutely qualified beyond being a woman, then it's, you know, maybe it's Rubio Vance, or maybe it's Vance Rubio. I know there are a lot of different iterations, and people have their, you know what they want. There are people who are still talking about DeSantis. He's about to leave the governor's mansion. But in all of these conversations, if. If the. The genitalia of the person is the first consideration, like the Democrats, we. We lose. They lost because they were focused on Kamala Harris being a woman, and they didn't remember four years of word salad.

[B]

I mean, but let's face it, they were happy with her as vice president. Nobody was happy with her as president. And they are now going right back to the slick white guy with Gavin News and Politico saying he's the 2028 front runner. I mean, she can't be complaining about white Republicans when that's what Democrats are going to put up.

[A]

Yeah. And you know, Tudor, your. Your lips to God's ears. Because I think Gavin Newsom is eminently beatable because he can't control his temper. Right. He's actually easier for us to beat than if they run someone who is less known. And I believe I'm. I've never believed. So let me just be clear before I make my statement. Tudor. I have never once believed that Michelle Obama was running. I had a guy on my show like four or five times who has written a book and done a documentary about how she's gonna run for the presidency and how she's been groomed to do it since she was like, a little girl. And I debunked every one of his assertions, and we had, you know, fun debates. But I never believed it until I was at the Barnes and Noble picking up my book club selection for the month, which I was very late in getting to, and rushing around. And on the center paid tables was Michelle Obama's book. I flipped through it. It's a glossy coffee table book. It's oversized. It's beautiful. So first of all, because I'm a person of. I love appreciating beauty. I love it so much. Interior design is my hobby. I'm constantly buying things and refurbishing them and also collecting things. I know beauty when I see it. And this book was designed to help you forget all of the horrible things she said about America and focus on her clothing, her hair, the images that are previously unreleased from the archives at the White House of their time in D.C. state dinners, her looking very demure and very much a woman. Very, very slinky outfits. Her seated in places where these are images we haven't seen because I've been on the White House press list for the entire. All the Obama years. I've seen these pictures. I've not seen these in this book. I get my book. I go up to the front table at the front to actually check out, and right there in front of me is the COVID of People magazine. She's on that. So this is a cleansing tour she's on. I believe it's going to go on for three years, and I think she's going to announce now. She says she's not. But she didn't. She didn't ask the clip. You played the clip. She didn't say, I'm not running. She said, you're not ready for a woman president. So maybe she's planning on getting us ready. Right. So I'm. I don't want her to run. It's not. It's not that I want her, but. But James Carville said on his podcast or on the pod. Pod, the, you know, that one that they. The pod guys, whatever it is, that is the liberal big podcast. He was on there with that guy and he said, we're going to win in 2028 and we're going to pack the Supreme Court and we're going to legalize 30 million, you know, migrants. We're going to, we're going to set the, reset the table and make everything right again. He said, we're going to win. Well, I believe they've gotten her to agree to run. I don't know what they had to give her. Maybe they're going to own an island or a small nation that we don't know the name of. They're just going to give it to the Obamas. I don't know. But I believe she's gearing up for that because otherwise, why do we have to listen to her? Like you said, why is she doing a podcast if she hates the spotlight? Why is she doing a podcast with her brother? Why is she now doing this coffee table book? Now it could be just a vanity thing. I could be wrong. I mean, you know, I'm a human being. But there's something different about the way, like that thing she was just doing there where she's trying to identify with all the people in the country who aren't white. And so you still need white people to vote for you, but they have enough college educated moms who are on the left to kind of buttress what they're doing. What they're going to focus on is socialism and the alliance with these, these disparate factions like AOC and Bernie Sanders and their obsession with communism because they call it socialism, but it's communism. They're going to cobble those things together and try to recreate what Mamdani did in New York City, which is due largely, and he was elected because Republicans didn't turn out. We have to learn how to turn out. When Trump's not on the ballot, that's that we have some own, our own systemic issues to deal with. But Tudor, I, sometimes when I, when I see people talking about her, I see her trending again. I'm like, this is a woman who hates the spotlight. She hates America. She has enough money to leave. You know, a lot of people who found America to be too racial, they just moved to France. They moved. Tina Turner took up residency in Italy and died there. Like, she didn't even die in America. There are Americans who are famous, who, whatever they don't like, they leave. Even Ella Ellen DeGeneres and Portia de Rossi moved to Great Britain, bought a mini castle there, which Promptly flooded. And now they're having all kinds of issues with their property. But, I mean, they left the country. They said they couldn't be here because of Trump. So why don't the Obamas leave if they hate it here so much? It's so horrible.

[B]

And for those who are listening, you've been watching politics for a very long time. This is meaningful. The nuances that you see, the changes that you see are meaningful. You're getting messages that the average person might not see. I appreciate that.

[A]

Well, I'm just telling you that when we. When we see someone who says, I hate it here, but they're constantly in our faces. She's paying people, right? You don't just end up on a stage in front of a thousand people who like you and have this woman who's not really political. Tracee Ellis Ross is not. She's on the left, right? She's obviously on the left. She does that in her television show Black Issue. But Tracee Ellis Ross is kind of, you know, she's not out at campaign events, but she's interviewing the former first lady, and they're talking about hair. They're trying to make her relatable. What she doesn't understand is, for most of us, that's not relatable. I actually laugh in natural hair when I hear Michelle Obama talking about hair because she has a stylist who probably charges her $800 an hour to make her hair straight, and that's fine. I don't begrudge her anything that she has. I just. I'm kind of tired of her complaining about it. When you have that level of access where you can call any Hollywood celebrity because they're all on the left, they're all her best friends. When you can fly on a jet and be anywhere you want in the world and you know, any amount of time when you could do anything you want and all you choose to do is complain, I'm like, isn't there some shopping that needs to be done? Isn't. Aren't there any chairs at your house that need to be reupholstered? Shouldn't you be sitting with a designer and picking out fabric or maybe doing a new landscape plan for the beach that you cordoned off from all the regular people in. In your. On your property in Hawaii, the Magnum PI House, don't you have something there that needs remodeling or doing or some people you could order around? Maybe open up the house in Chicago, you haven't been there in a while. Maybe open it up and Go host a party there. What are you doing? Like, what? What? One of all of us want to entertain with a team. I want 25 people to do what I want and make my parties rock. Instead, I'm doing it myself, being a regular person. Why aren't you using any of these fun things? Like, I'm. She obviously has been working out with a trainer. Did you see her legs in that shot?

[B]

She's looking. I was like, ozempic's a tricky thing. I don't know who. How did people get so thin so fast?

[A]

Amazing. So why not just go with that? I mean, why are you still doing.

[B]

No, but there is a glow up. Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on the Tudor Dixon Podcast. She can say that this is expected of her, but she is choosing a glow up right now. And I'm saying from that standpoint of being suddenly very physically fit, she's. She is out there on the front stage every. And I didn't. Nobody. I mean, if her hair is such an issue, why does she keep doing it that way? Why doesn't she lead the trend of doing her hair differently?

[A]

I mean, she's. Yes, exactly. So that's the other thing. First lady. She has the power to do that. She could just have said, I got so much flack from wearing braids to try to protect my relaxed hair that I went natural, and so you should, too. And everybody would be on the bandwagon and people like yourself would be like, oh, I realized this was an issue. But she's leading the charge. Natural hair. What could be wrong with that?

[B]

Because it could have been presented in a way to make women go kind of like, oh, my gosh, yes, we're in this with you. This is the patriarchy. We need to. You know, she just has to jab a little bit.

[A]

She gets deeper. But there's so much to be in common with. Because when I sit around with my friends at lunch and we start talking about hair, and most of my friends are white, they're complaining about their hair in the same way that I'm complaining about mine. My hair is dry. I'm deep conditioning. I've had some breakage. And they're like, oh, well, you know, I go and get mine dyed, and she got it the wrong color. And I'm like, it looks good to me. And they're like, no, I've been back twice to fix it. I'm like, oh, my gosh, did you get charged? So we're complaining. Our skin. What are you Using. I'm using this peel. I've been. You know, we all share the same dermatologist, oddly enough. So we all go to the same lady, and we're all getting different things done. And it's like this. It's just women talking about how hard it is to try to be presentable. And the other part is, if you're rich, if you're worth a million, why don't you just throw on a pair of really expensive, like, better than Lululemon or whatever that is, Some leggings, a good top. A. Go sit outside with. You like beer or you like tea or whatever you like. Just go sit on one of your big, huge, expansive oceanfront decks. You have five properties to pick from. Take a jet to one of your properties, go sit out, snap your fingers, and whoever it is that's your current butler or cook will come, have them make you something, and just enjoy your life. Like, why are you complaining to us? All of us have real problems. Like, I actually buy my own groceries and I pump my own gas. I've been reveling in how cheap gas is and how porterhouse stakes have come down about 20%, which is really great because I make a mean porterhouse steak, and my husband loves it, and I hate paying $28 per steak. It's really great to have them back down to, like, 19 bucks. So I'm. I'm like, why don't you just go do something rich people do like the rest of them?

[B]

But that's a good point. She's staying out there. She wants us to see her. I love your insight there.

[A]

I don't know if I'm right, but I got the sick feeling in the pit of my stomach because I've always believed she's not running. And for the first time ever. Ever since I've been doing any of this stuff, I feel like she could be getting ready to run. Like, I feel like this is the. It's never been real before. Maybe she just does this PR thing and then fades to black, and we can all take a sigh of relief. But Democrats really want to recreate what they had with the Obamas. Remember the hope and change it was. Yeah. No real message.

[B]

Well, I. I think you're right because I. I mean, you are right, because they are flailing for a message right now. If they can bring that feeling back, that nostalgia back, and they have this powerful woman in that place, they. They hit. They kill multiple birds with one stone. I mean, they're. They're back in the game, and they're.

[A]

Looking for somebody that's the memory of Kamala. Right? Because that was such a disaster. And they can get Charlemagne back on board. You know, he's been very critical. He was very, very critical of Kamala and he said her political career is over. They can also squash that bug. Cause, you know, she's still circling, thinking, maybe I should run one more time. And the Democrats are like, no, because we still have campaign debt from your last run. We're still paying you off, really, honestly. So, you know, duder, I. We just have to pray that the Lord will prevent, like, it's because the Obamas, the first time, they were a curse on us. They were a curse on our country. And the way they tried to convince us that we're horrible people. And we survived that because Americans are very resilient. Our country is resilient. But another four years or eight years of Obamas constantly down talking us. The Obamas are that person where if you lose 30 pounds, that person comes up to you and says, you look good, but you still have a little bit of a punch. You know, you still have a little bit of a stomach. And you're like, I. I just burned off 30 human pounds and my body looks amazing. And everyone else is like, you look so good. And you look down, you're like, I barely see anything. Do you see a stomach now? All day long you're thinking about your stomach instead of thinking about having lost 30 pounds. That's the Obamas. They will literally tell you what's wrong with you even when you're like, at your highest moment. We as Americans need more high moments. We need more.

[B]

Yeah, they. They are the. They are the ultimate bullies. And I think when you hear people talk about malicious empathy, this is what we're talking about. Do not go sit in the corner and feel bad for Michelle Obama because she has it made. She is. This is a manipulation. This is how bullies work. I mean, this is like a bad marriage. We're in with them. Yes.

[A]

Yes, that's exactly what it's like. Because in a bad marriage, you never let go of the slights. In a good marriage, you have to put things behind you because you realize it's a long haul and your husband is going to make mistakes. You're going to make mistakes. Thank God my husband doesn't hold all my mistakes against me, and so I therefore shouldn't hold his against him. I should let them go. And sometimes you have to go without apologies. You have to go without acknowledgments because you have kids to raise. You have a business to run. You have whatever it is that you are working on. If it's nothing but just getting. What are we having for dinner? My gosh. We have to decide that every day. It's ridiculous how we have to eat dinner every night, and we have to pick it so we, you know, we have mountains to climb, we have dragons to slay, and the Obamas won't let us be great. That's my problem. They're great. They're worth millions of dollars. Why can't we be great tutor. Why can't we just, like, why can't we just acknowledge that our hair is no longer a big deal for us as black women, that all women sometimes wear weaves and wigs, that we are all really. We have so much in common? Like, white women are not sitting up thinking about oppressing anybody. They're thinking about their thighs and cellulite and creatine, which is a new thing.

[B]

Menopause.

[A]

Menopause. They're thinking about losing our hair. Grandkids, you're thinking about, oh, my gosh, will, Will my children ever get marri. Grandkids, you're thinking about all kinds of things. And we're thinking the same thing, most of us, as I, I will just speak for black women who are on the right side of the political aisle. There are millions of us. We're thinking about the same things. I am not. I have never once gotten up and thought, oh, it's so hard. My hair is so hard. I've never thought that's the first thing out of her mouth every time she speaks is about race or hair or black people not being able to swim. That's also. That's not true anymore. It used to be true. Now, most elementary school programs in the south, where this was a problem, have a swimming course that they offer during the school year and in the summer to close that gap. So it's like, what, What. What decade is she living in? In America today, most black people can swim. Most black people choose the hair that they want. Women and men wear the hairstyle that they want. If you're on active duty, you do have some different things that you have to abide by, but that is. Is so you can serve the country.

[B]

And that is regardless of who you are. Also, I mean, men can't.

[A]

Women can't wear long hair. No. No, they can't. And so everybody in the military is subject to the same standard. So I, I, I just, I ask, as you do, Tudor, why is she out here? Why, and we're gonna have to figure it out, because if she runs. Oh, wow.

[B]

I agree. I agree. But if she runs, I'm having you back on because I love this conversation. I love talking to you. Stacy Washington. Awesome.

[A]

Thank you so much. Great to be on your show.

[B]

Oh, it's. It's been a pleasure. Honestly, a pleasure. It was so much fun. And thank you all for listening to us at the Tudor Dixon Podcast. Remember to check us out at the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcasts in, rumble or YouTube. And make sure you join us next time. As always, have a blessed day.

[A]

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