The Tudor Dixon Podcast: The Real Story Behind Michelle Obama’s Comments with Stacy Washington

Date: November 19, 2025
Duration: ~39 minutes
Guests: Tudor Dixon (Host), Stacy Washington (Guest, host of “Stacy on the Right”)

Overview

This episode of The Tudor Dixon Podcast dissects recent public comments from former First Lady Michelle Obama regarding her experiences with race, hair, and public perception, particularly criticisms stemming from her time in the White House. Joined by conservative commentator and Sirius XM host Stacy Washington, Tudor Dixon explores the context of Obama’s remarks, the cultural landscape for Black women in America, and the broader implications—both political and societal—of the Obamas’ continued prominence in national conversation. The discussion is candid and often humorous, moving from personal anecdotes to pointed cultural critique.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

Michelle Obama’s Comments on Hair and Race

[00:51-03:51, 14:50-15:48]

• Clip played of Michelle Obama: Obama discusses why she wears braids, describing the difficulties Black women face in adhering to Eurocentric beauty standards (straight hair), their longing for “hair freedom,” social pressures in professional and casual settings, and the need for laws protecting Black hair.
• Stacy Washington contextualizes: Past stigma around natural Black hair, especially in the military and corporate world, but argues that societal change has rendered much of this debate outdated. She references Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson wearing sisterlocks as a sign of progress.

  “So she's referring to a lot of different things there...But the issue that I have with what she said is that's the 70s and the 80s, and it is the year of our Lord 2025, where one of our Supreme Court justices has sisterlocks.” (Stacy Washington, 06:04)

• Critiques Obama’s focus: Both Dixon and Washington would prefer Obama address issues like family breakdown, public health, and broader American cultural concerns instead of “beauty shop” conversations.

The Double Standard for Women in Public Life

[08:16–11:10]

• Both hosts share personal experiences, agreeing that women in public life, regardless of race, are harshly judged for physical appearance—hair, makeup, clothing—while men are not.

  “Men can wear the same shirt, the same vest, the same jeans everywhere... If I was...” (Tudor Dixon, 09:52)

• Dixon describes the critical scrutiny she endured while running for office; Washington draws parallels with the First Lady’s unique pressures.

Criticism of Michelle Obama: Race, Gender, and Ingratitude

[11:10–13:10]

• Stacy rejects conspiracies (e.g., Michelle Obama is a “biological man”):

  “I've actually lost opportunities in media because I don't believe she's a biological man. And I think it's ridiculous for us to assert that because we actually have really great criticisms...She is a hardcore leftist that is anti American.” (Stacy Washington, 10:29)

• The hosts lament what they perceive as Obama's fixation on race and perceived lack of gratitude for her historic position and the support she received from Americans of all races.

Michelle Obama’s Experiences with Racism and Societal Presentation

[14:50–17:00]

• Playing another clip, Obama recalls her realization that clothing, hair, and speech could “protect her from the microaggressions of racism.”
• Washington critiques Obama for missing opportunities to promote empowered, multifaceted visions of American womanhood, instead seeing her as fixated on grievance.

Cultural Archetypes and the Role of First Ladies

[17:00–18:29]

• Washington emphasizes that globally, American men and women are seen as aspirational archetypes. She believes Obama squanders her cultural influence by focusing on personal resentment instead of national unity or achievement.

The Obamas, Wealth, and Political Influence

[18:29–24:00]

• Both hosts discuss the Obamas’ vast financial success post-White House and find Obama’s narrative of oppression discordant with her status.

  “...they went to the White House...worth a couple million...came out with a $60 million deal with Netflix...book deal...tickets to go listen to her talk about the book for $800 a pop.” (Stacy Washington, 18:31)

• Washington accuses the Obamas of “speaking down” to America and carrying a message of “you’re not awesome”—contrasted with Trump’s message of American greatness.

Speculation Over Michelle Obama Running for President

[24:18–34:27]

• The hosts are skeptical yet wary about rumors of Michelle Obama gearing up for a 2028 presidential run.
• Washington notes Michelle’s new book and increased media presence as possible signs, while recounting James Carville’s recent remarks about future Democratic strategy and potential Supreme Court changes.

  “I believe she's gearing up for that because otherwise, why do we have to listen to her? ...Why is she doing a podcast if she hates the spotlight?” (Stacy Washington, 26:15)

• Both agree that identity politics (“we need a woman president”) should not outweigh criteria of competence and American values.

Broader Cultural Critique and Closing Thoughts

[34:27–37:20]

• Washington criticizes what she calls Michelle Obama’s “malicious empathy”—casting herself as a perpetual victim despite privilege.

  “They are the ultimate bullies...Do not go sit in the corner and feel bad for Michelle Obama because she has it made. She is...This is a manipulation. This is how bullies work. I mean, this is like a bad marriage we're in with them.” (Tudor Dixon, 35:50)

• Both women maintain that American society, Black women especially, have moved past many of the barriers Obama cites; they believe her narrative is outdated.
• Washington closes by rallying listeners to focus on what unites women across backgrounds, rather than divisions.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Stacy Washington, on the hair debate:

  “That's where I'm still living there. She's still living in the 70s and the 80s.” [06:41]

• Tudor Dixon, on women’s public scrutiny:

  “And your husband is ready in five minutes and you're like, I'll be there in an hour. This is not a white versus black thing.” [08:49]

• Stacy Washington, on Michelle Obama’s legacy:

  “She has a hang up about race and she has an ingratitude problem. She's not grateful.” [07:53]

• Stacy Washington, on the White House experience:

  “...living there, just being in the residence. The area they don't open to the public...there's always something amazing about being there...And last time I was there...there's a portrait of Michelle Obama there...it was so beautiful...she's just so ungrateful.” [11:22]

• Tudor Dixon, on Michelle Obama’s national appeal:

  “She did not get elected by just black people. She got elected by a lot of white people.” [13:10]

• Stacy Washington, on possible Obama candidacy:

  “But there's something different about the way...she's trying to identify with all the people in the country who aren't white. And so you still need white people to vote for you...” [26:27]

• Stacy Washington, on women’s shared experiences:

  “...when I sit around with my friends at lunch and we start talking about hair...most of my friends are white, they're complaining about their hair in the same way that I'm complaining about mine.” [31:57]

• Tudor Dixon, on the Obamas' effect:

  “They are the ultimate bullies. And I think when you hear people talk about malicious empathy, this is what we're talking about.” [35:50]

Important Timestamps

• 00:52: Stacy introduced, explains her perspective on Michelle Obama’s comments
• 02:13: Clip played: Michelle Obama on hair, beauty standards, swimming, and work
• 06:00: Stacy contextualizes hair politics in the military and society (“That’s the 70s and the 80s…”)
• 08:16: Discussion shifts to women’s appearance pressures vs. men’s
• 11:22: Stacy on the privilege and experiences of living in the White House
• 14:50: Clip played: Obama on using clothing, hair, and speech as protection against racism
• 15:50: Washington critiques missed opportunities for positive messaging
• 18:30: Reflection on the Obamas’ post-White House riches
• 24:18: Speculation on Michelle Obama running in 2028
• 35:50: “Ultimate bullies”—malicious empathy and criticism
• 37:19: Broader reflections on unity among women

Final Thoughts

The episode is a critical, sometimes personal, conversation about Michelle Obama's recent public statements and perceived worldview. Tudor Dixon and Stacy Washington use Obama’s comments as a springboard for a broader critique of identity politics, privilege, and the current state of debate on race and womanhood in America. The conversation is sharp-edged but interspersed with moments of levity and personal storytelling, intending to offer cultural commentary for a conservative audience.

Listeners will come away with:

• Historical context around hair politics and Black womanhood in America
• Arguments against viewing current events solely through the lens of past grievances
• The hosts’ skepticism of Michelle Obama’s intentions and possible future ambitions
• A call for unity among women, focus on shared experience, and appreciation for opportunities available in the US

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