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Tudor Dixon
Welcome to The Tudor Dixon podcast. Today we are going to talk a lot about young men. Right now, that is the question on both sides of the political aisle is how do we talk to young men? There has been this push to kind of demonize young men and almost say that if you're going to say positive things about young women, then you have to say negative things, things about young men. And now politically, it seems like the world is going well. How do we win back young men? So I have an expert on young men with me, Delano Squires. He is a research fellow for the Heritage foundation center for Human Flourishing. So tell us, Delano, how do we make young men flourish in this country?
Delano Squires
Well, thank you for having me, Tudor. I think the first thing is to acknowledge that mental health and women need one another. We cannot have a functioning society or culture if our politics are built on fomenting disdain and discord between the sexes, right? So the gender war politics are failing politics. It doesn't matter if they are coming from sort of the Andrew Tate red pill, right, or the blue haired feminist left. Either way you go, those types of politics are failing politics. So I think the first thing is to acknowledge that men and women need one another in very fundamental ways. I think the second thing is to acknowledge that for the better part of about 60 years, the political left has been demonizing men and in some ways, in many ways, have gone from fighting sexism to fighting masculinity itself. So I think acknowledging where we have gone wrong and then being able to say, okay, now let's look at young men first as individuals, but then let's ask ourselves whether there are issues that young men and boys and even adult males are facing that are being caused by public policy, that are being exacerbated by social norms. And if so, what are some ways that we can roll those things back and make progress as we move into the future?
Tudor Dixon
You know, you said something about the far left and the far right and how they've come after men in different ways. And I'm almost. I used to be the person that was like, oh my gosh, this is radical and this is going out there and it's getting into the minds of young people and this is radical on the other side. And it's also doing the same thing. Now I'm a little bit worried about the. I don't know how to describe it, like the empathetic center where it's like, you know, we, as women are told, you can do it all by yourself. You don't need a man. It's not so much that you consciously, consciously think men are bad. It's that you're. You are elevating yourself above anything else and saying, I can do this all alone. I want to focus on me. You had someone. You had an interview on your Twitter with a woman. It wasn't. It was someone else that was interviewing her. It was a woman named Dr. Cheyenne Bryant. And she was talking about not being in menopause yet. She's 40. I'm not in menopause. I'm still having a period every month. I can still have a baby. And that was like a celebration. I think it's an interesting. I had my. My youngest when I was 36. So my oldest I had when I was 32. It's one of those things that once you do it and you are in your 30s and you have your first child, you go, why did I not do this earlier? And you start to see how age affects your life in a major way. And I see this now. Just talked to a friend last night, said, oh, one of our friends is pregnant at 48. And I think you don't know what you don't know. But we as a society have not been fair to telling people. This is. This should happen young. It should happen together. You shouldn't say your career is more important than your family, because at the end of life, it's your family that is there for you.
Delano Squires
Yeah, I mean, and yes, I think I posted that clip yesterday or a few days ago, and she was making this point that now she's ready to have kids and, you know, she's more financially stable than she would have been, let's say, in her 20s or even in her 30s. Part of my commentary is that I didn't hear her mention a husband in this sort of arrangement. So my sense is that her only interest in men is in their reproductive material. And I think part of, you know, going back to the question you asked, part of the reason that we are in the situation we are in right now is because across society, from multiple different institutions, we have been selling the notion that men are actually. That society actually does not need men, that families do not need men. So whether it's women proudly declaring, well, I don't need a man in order to have a family, I can do it all by myself. Particularly if I have enough resources, I can do it by myself. So in that sense, men become almost like the appendix of the family. Nice to have, but not particularly necessary. Whereas we think of mom as the heart and soul. So the Idea that we could have a functioning society with whatever percentage, some significant percentage of women who are disaffected, disconnected, have sort of tenuous relationships with their children. Everyone would see that as a crisis. But when it comes to men, we say, well, everybody can function in the same ways that they have before. And I think that is a colossal mistake. And as I said, part of this is public policy. I mean, it starts extremely young, when boys are in school, and we expect them to behave and do all the things that girls do. And anyone who has children, particularly if you have one of each, I have four, I have two of each. You can see the differences in children, in boys and girls, and how they play and how they communicate and how they interact socially with their peers and how they interact with their parents. You can see those sex differences coming out at a fairly young age. Right. My sons, who are 7 and 5, there was a period, there was a season in life where whenever I came home, they wouldn't just run and hug me, they would headbutt me. They would play fight, they would slap, they would want that type of roughhousing. My daughters have never done that. My daughters, as a matter of sort of communication, don't headbutt me, right? And say, okay, dad is home, Let me bang into his leg. Cause that's just not how they operate. So I think part of why we have this problem is because we have accepted quietly the idea of sort of this sort of cultural androgyny that men and women are exactly the same. So we just have problems recognizing that men and women are equal in dignity and worth, but different in form and function. And until we're willing to acknowledge that, we're going to continue to have some of these problems.
Tudor Dixon
Well, I think culture has really compounded this issue because I just saw a survey that said that a majority of men say they would be fine with their one, their, their wife being the main breadwinner in the house. They would be fine being the stay at home dad. They, they look at this as a success, a successful relationship. And I'm not saying that you can't be that. But, but I do believe that there, there are different roles. Just like you said that the, the young boy is different when dad comes in the house than the young girl. I also think that raising the family and being the one that is making lunch and teaching reading, there is a difference between mom and dad. And we have pushed this like there's no difference. There's no difference. Well, that's not, that's simply not true. But We've also created a society of men who have decided, I will let my wife go do the main breadwinning, go do the hard job, be the executive, and I'll stay home. And what happens at the house is much different. And people can complain to me that this is not true. It is true. What happens at the house is different than what would have happened with the house with mom being there. Dad is very different, the way he interacts with the kids. When it comes to being staying home all day. We also have this society, you mentioned it, of little boys, can't be little boys in school. And it is this push that is compounded by a lack of parenting at home, but also this push of teachers going to the house and saying, you gotta medicate. We've seen success with this with other kids. And I'm not ripping on teachers here. I think that this is a cultural issue where we have stopped telling kids, you have to behave to a certain extent in the classroom. Understanding, though, that boys are gonna be more active, they're gonna have trouble sitting in their. Compounding that with. Just medicate them and make them zombies and let the classroom be calm.
Delano Squires
Yeah, yeah. No, I think you make some fantastic points. And this point about breadwinning, so call it. 50 years ago, about 85% of men were either the primary or sole breadwinner. Today, the household is much more egalitarian. That's down to about 55%. I believe about 29% of households have sort of a shared breadwinner model. And many people realize this, that in a lot of places it takes, or at least it feels like it takes, two incomes in order to survive. And then the remaining number of women are sole breadwinners. So that's still a fairly small percentage. But I think a couple of things have happened. One is that sort of in the post second wave feminist world, the vocations of mother and wife have been degraded across the culture. So the way I say it is this. Our society celebrates any woman who runs a large complex organization unless it's her home. And we love women who dedicate themselves.
Tudor Dixon
Wow, that is such a good point.
Delano Squires
And likewise, we love women who dedicate themselves to training the next generation, unless it's their own children. So part of it is that the fight of the Betty Friedan's and the Gloria Steinems wasn't just, oh, we need more access to education and economic opportunity for women. It was, the home itself is a prison. And we need to free and liberate women from the home. And what that does is again, it devalues those vocations and it devalues the purpose of the home. So the root word for economy is a Greek word, oikonomia, that talks about the household. So it's actually about the household. And the household should be and ideally a hub of productive economic, spiritual, educational, social and relational activity. But for a lot of people, it's just a place to lay your head. So my thing is that both men and women need to understand that generally speaking. So we gravitate to particular roles because I believe that that's how we were designed by God. And what we've been doing for 60 plus years is fighting against our nature. And that's why everybody seems so frustrated, because we've rejected the idea that there are particular roles that we are supposed to fill. And one of the things that I say, nobody's truly a feminist. And I'll give an example. If something goes bump in the night, right at 2 in the morning and I turn over to my wife and I say, look, last time this happened, I went, but you know me, I'm a good male feminist ally. So this time I'll let you go, right?
Tudor Dixon
No thanks.
Delano Squires
She would be on the phone to a divorce lawyer by tomorrow. And part of this problem going back to men is that the societal expectations for men have been fairly inelastic for 60 years. It always starts with the same two Ps for everybody across the board. It's men are supposed to provide and to protect. Now across sort of social norms, sometimes people don't want to acknowledge that. And even some men are saying, you know, well, I'm more than a paycheck. Which is true, but that's the baseline. The problem is when you try to enter into a dance and one person knows, or let's say a song, and one person knows what part they're supposed to be singing and the other person says, I don't want to be held down to any particular part. Because if you ask anyone, men or women, okay, men are supposed to provide and protect. What are women supposed to do? Then you're going to get people say, well, I don't want to say what women are supposed to do because I don't want to put boundaries around that. And this is where you have this discord between the sexes. And it's frustrating because oftentimes modern women are looking for traditional men, but don't expect men to want them to play traditional roles. And this is part of the disconnect between the sexes.
Tudor Dixon
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Tudor Dixon
So what I will say is I think that too often this modern woman role, what women aren't coming out and saying the women who have gone through this and they have kids and they are the Executive. And they are married. They're not saying, well, that traditional role still falls on me. So ultimately, I've piled on a massive amount of work. And we are stressed and we are tired, and we are not giving our best to our kids because we are overworked. I saw something just a couple days ago, and it was one of these things on social media where a man said, my wife came to me and she said, it's December. I'm so stressed out. I'm so afraid I'm not gonna get Christmas done. And he said, it'll work out. It's no big deal. It always works out. It'll work out. It's no big deal. And he said, I totally ignored what she said because I was like, once we get to Christmas, it'll happen. And he said, on Christmas Eve, I came downstairs and I saw her feverishly wrapping all the gifts by herself, stressed. It was 2am I had been asleep. I came down and he said, in that moment, I realized what I had done. I had said, it'll work itself out. Christmas will come no matter what he said. And then in that moment, I realized my wife is Christmas. And it hit me so hard because I was like, this is what women won't say because we are afraid to admit. It is so hard. We are afraid to admit. We are overwhelmed. We are barely hanging on. But this mom was the perfect example of the wife who was working, who was getting the lunches, who's driving the kids to school, and at the end of the night, she tucks the kids in, and then she makes Christmas happen. Which seems like a crazy when you have four. You have four kids. I have four kids. You know that that night before, you are like, ah, I have just a few hours, you know, And. And that is just an example of what a woman is actually pulling all together. And. And so often the men are not even told because nobody wants to admit. No, women have so much on their plates right now because they're doing it all.
Delano Squires
And that's the frustration. And I think a lot of women feel. And part of that is because of the expectations that have been set.
Tudor Dixon
Yes.
Delano Squires
And for a lot of women, they've.
Tudor Dixon
Heard and we've let it happen.
Delano Squires
Right. Like, they've heard we can have it all. And some people may say that's true, but you certainly can't have it all at the same time, because time is the one thing that they're not making more of. Right. You can. You can fake having more money, you can just run up credit, but no, One has a credit card for time. So everybody gets the same number of hours. And trying to cram more and more things into those hours is increasingly difficult. I mean, my wife was a social worker in D.C. for about five years. I worked in D.C. government before coming to Heritage. We overlapped for about five years. We actually worked in the same building. Once we had our third child, we realized we were paying someone basically a mortgage to take care of our two younger children. And she was spending all day helping other people take care of their children. So we decided to cut out the middleman. She's been a stay at home mom and home educator for the last five years. And that in and of itself is a full time job. Right. She is basically running a bed and breakfast and a schoolhouse and sort of stewarding sort of an organization in and of itself. Those are like three full time jobs. So the expectation that she could do those things and also work outside the home just puts a lot of stress on her and it just, it makes a lot of women feel burdened. This doesn't mean that every woman needs to be a stay at home mom or home educator. But what I would say is that lifting up those vocations is one of the most important things that anyone in the public sphere could do, because those things are critically important.
Tudor Dixon
I think young men have been afraid to take on those traditional roles of even protect and provide because they are afraid of stepping on the woman's toes. I hear so often now, young men saying, I don't know if I should go up to a woman and say, oh, I just caught your. I caught a glimpse of you across the bar. You're beautiful, you know, because that's suddenly an insult or opening the door on a first D. They don't know. They don't know where they stand in this new world of feminism and the. And feminism used to be that. And it's gone to an even greater extreme. And we do have, I mean, when we talk about the extremes on the left and the right, we do have some also strange messaging coming out on the left and the right. And I will pick on the right right now because I've seen some really bizarre messaging coming out of the right like this. I don't even like to say his name. But I see this interview with Nick Fuentes and Piers Morgan. And Piers Morgan is like, I mean, you, you hate women. Absolutely. Women are horrible. And this is a man who's never been in a relationship, never had any intimacy with a woman, never felt the, the attention or love of a Woman. And you have to wonder, how did this, how is this messaging of becoming an asexual man? And yet he's saying that he wants to be the dominant, the domina dominant cultural society leader in the, in the United States. Oh, well. But he doesn't want to have any children of his own. Like, how did this happen that we have this group of asexual men that hate women but they want to be the dominant. Like, this is a whites only group? Well, you're not going very far if that's your, your method.
Delano Squires
I mean, you, your analysis of Fuentes and particularly his main message is far more sophisticated than what I see on social media or what I hear from anyone else. Because you're pointing out the tensions in his message. On one hand, Nick Fuentes will say that there's a white genocide going on and white people are becoming a global minority. On the other hand, Nick Fuentes will say one, he'll say, I'll only marry a white woman. But he'll spend. That will be one minute. And he'll spend the next 59 minutes talking about how much he doesn't like women. So I don't know how a guy who's leading a movement and telling the other guys in the movement that women are really not people that I want to spend a lot of time with. I'm not interested in them, you know, whether in friendship or romantically. But we want to repopulate the earth with more white babies. Right. So I think that's a tension that very few other people have pointed out. But I think it's important because of all the things that people accuse Nick Fuentes of, right. Racism, anti Semitism, so on and so forth. The gender war is far more important for the future of our country than online ethnic tension. You can have ethnic tension in a country, or you can have ethnic tension between countries, or religious tension or sectarian tension between countries. I do not know of a single country where it is a single sex country. This is a country only of men, and this is one only of women. Because men and women need each other in ways that different racial groups do not.
Tudor Dixon
I think that only happens in the movie Wonder Woman where there's an island of Amazon women.
Delano Squires
Right, right, right. So it can't happen in real life. And that's why I'm far more concerned with the way that young men are beginning to think about and speak about women. And again, on the feminist left, this has been going on for 60 plus years. So now it's just a horseshoe effect where both camps are telling their respective members that the other side, the other sex is no good, that marriage and family are a bad deal, and that you should avoid it because you are either going to lose yourself and this is sort of the Betty Friedan left, or you're going to lose your stuff, which is more sort of the Nick Fuentes right. And I think that's a bad deal. I'm seeing some signs of hope, right? I recently posted. It was a short conversation between the governor of Maryland, where I'm a resident, right, Wes Moore, and a podcaster named Van Lathan, where he said that in the state of Maryland, they're doing a lot to center the needs of boys and men. And he said that we can't have a functioning society if our boys and our men are struggling. Now, he didn't say specifically what the state is doing, and I certainly would like to learn more about that, but I was struck by the fact that he talked about boys and men taking their rightful place. I'm not sure if he said in the family, certainly he said in society, that type of language, the acknowledgement that boys and men are a group, a category of people who have specific needs, the acknowledgement that boys and men have specific roles, and the acknowledgement that boys and men, or the desire to see boys and men take their rightful place, that is not language that people on the left typically use when it comes to boys and men. It's typically to the extent that they talk about masculinity, it's about using men, using their masculinity on behalf of quote unquote marginalized groups. So it's about being a good ally.
Tudor Dixon
Not that's something politically that I think the left really needs to come back and say as well. Because if I look at what's happened, and I mean, I know the right also needs to come and lift up the man. But I would say on the left there was a weird movement where it was like, we want to not see color. We wanna bring everybody in. We wanna lift person. And then suddenly I will say this, and you may disagree with me, but it was suddenly they overlooked the black male and they said, we are going to lift up black women and we are going to lift up white trans men or trans women. I don't even know the men who become women. And then if you look at the leaders in the last administration, it was like they totally overlooked the black man and men in general. But I think that really, they say they come out and they go to these communities like I'm in Michigan, they Go to Detroit and they say, we're here for you. But they overlook the fact that black men have not had leadership positions enough leadership positions in their party. I mean, my gosh, in Michigan, in the communities that are minority, communities that are mostly residents of color, they are not acknowledging that they have white people representing them. I mean, it's so bizarre to me. They gerrymandered the districts so that you can't have black representation in a minority based community. How can that possibly be that black men don't go, wait a minute. This party doesn't care about me. And I am not saying that there is not work to be done to raise men up across this country, but how is it not seeing that black men are being left behind on the left?
Delano Squires
Oh, boy, Tudor, you about to. This is. Again, you hit the nail on the head. I'll say it for the audience this way. When Democrats show up to talk to black women, they say, vote for me and I can make you vice president. I can make you a Supreme Court justice. When they show up to speak to black men, they say, vote for me and I'll keep you from becoming George Floyd. It's a very different message for women. They push leadership. For men, they push protection. The reason for this is because the most significant interracial union in American history is not the one recognized in Loving vs. Virginia. It is the marriage between black feminists and white liberals that has powered the Democratic Party for the past 60 years. And in that arrangement, the women get something out of the deal. The party and the politicians and the bureaucrats get something out of the deal. And black men are sort of left on the outside looking in, begging for scraps in a party that they vote for at a 85% plus clip. But they are spoken down to. They are ignored. If any significant, maybe 1 or 2% suggest that they might vote for the other side. All of the party apparatus comes together and says, shame on you, black men. They get hectored and lectured by people like Barack Obama in Pennsylvania, and they say, shame on you. How dare you not support this black woman for president or for governor? And what I'm saying is this. The dynamics that we see playing out politically within the black community are dynamics that start in the home. And when you talk about black men not having leadership, that starts in the home. 70% of black children in this country are born to unmarried parents. About 45% of black children live with a single mother. That means that to be a black child born to and raised by your married mother and father for the first 18 years of your life is now an exception and not the rule. And those disjointed family dynamics work themselves out everywhere in society. Now, it's easy for us to see it in the schoolhouse, in the courthouse and in the jailhouse, but it also works itself out in the ballot box and in the way that the left, particularly messages to men and women, to black men and black women, about what it is that they are going to provide. And what makes it worse is that the political machinery exacerbates the sex conflict because they are constantly telling black women that you are the backbone of the party. You saved the party, you saved democracy, you saved the country, you saved the world. And to black men, what they say is, you guys should follow black women.
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Wherever you get your podcasts. So it's interesting that you say that because it's reminding me. I saw one of these man on the street interviews where they went and they interviewed a bunch of black men about Kamala Harris and they said, well, what do you think then? Overwhelmingly, these men said, my mother would be so mad at me if I didn't vote for Kamala Harris. And I think if you look across the spectrum, men have generally have huge respect for their mothers, regardless of their ethnic background. But in this case, it seemed like there was this, this innate understanding that I want to please my mother and this is the party that will please women. Is that something that you see amongst black men in your communities? In these communities?
Delano Squires
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. The only place that you may hear guys saying something different may be a barbershop where you have sort of a closed space that's primarily male dominated. But generally speaking, when. And the exit polling sort of, this makes sense, right? 80 plus percent of Black men voted for Kamala Harris in 2024. 80 plus percent of Black men vote for whoever the Democrat is for president for at least the last 6, 7 election cycle. So that's not a surprise. But what happens is, let me draw this parallel. When Democrats and this started in 2016 and they've done it for the last couple election cycles, when they talk to white women, they say, don't be a part of the 53% that votes for Donald Trump. Right. Don't follow your husband in terms of what he does at the ballot box. So for some of those women, let's say center right, moderate, there's a certain discomfort with publicly acknowledging, hey, no, I do wanna vote for Trump. And partly is because, yes, I am in alignment with my husband. There's a similar reluctance for a subset of black men who either will know in their heart of hearts, this party does not represent me or my values. It has no place for men in traditional homes and relationships or traditional modes of thought. But I'm going to do it because this is the right choice. This is the voting. Blue is the black choice. That's how many of them will do it. And even for the ones who may have voted for Trump or vote conservative, if they do it, they do it silently. They're not posting bumper stickers and they're not wearing MAGA hats. There's a subset that will. And those people are out loud and proud to be conservative. I'll say it that way. But there's a chunk there in the middle who will go along because they don't want the fight either with their wife, their girlfriend, the mother of their children, or their mother. And that's why my hope is that as particularly the black family becomes more intact.
Tudor Dixon
Right.
Delano Squires
As we have a revival in marriage and a reconstruction of the family, and I'm actually writing a book on this very topic, my hope is that eventually what we'll see is that those household dynamics will begin to take shape and there'll be some order in the home because every other group of men vote more conservatively. Conservatively than the women. And the same thing for black men. But again, the consistent messaging is that black men should follow black women when it comes to politics. And that. That is a message that I feel is unique to the black community.
Tudor Dixon
Absolutely. But I also, it's resonating with me that we have a young men problem. As I'm listening to you, regardless of race, we have a young men problem. And what you just said to me kind of shook me awake that we keep saying, how do we talk to young men? But it's young women who are dictating how young men should be thinking. And so how do we change that perception with young women? And I go back to the fact that when you are a young woman, you don't know what it is to be a mom and have a career and try to do all of the things while you are crapping all over young men. You know, I mean, did not say it in any better way. When you are trashing the protect and provide model and you're saying, I don't need that, you suddenly get to a point where you can't come back out and say, actually, that was what I needed. How do we, how do we bring that back? How do we show young women that it. You can't do it by yourself. It's not that you can't do it. You can't do it Alone.
Delano Squires
Well, I think part of this, I'll say it this way, this must start in the home. So for dads who are husbands who have children, it's about mom and dad modeling sort of the right type of relationship first and foremost because more is caught than is taught. So it doesn't matter what I say as a dad, if my children see me mistreating my wife, if they see me abdicating my responsibilities in my home. So first and foremost is me playing my part, my God given role. But we need more men who are taking their families to church, who are leading them spiritually, who love their wives so that a boy gets to see what it looks like when his dad truly loves his mom. Right. When you truly love your wife, that doesn't mean you just roll over and. Well, whatever my wife says, I, I'm just the fifth child. No, no, no, that's, that's not it. We don't, we don't lead by serving, we serve by leading. So, so when he gets to see you in, in that role, right. Showing affection, protecting, decision making, all those things, playing with him and your siblings, right. Sort of helping to create an atmosphere of togetherness and unity in the home. Now you're giving him something to pattern himself after, but you're also giving your something, some, your daughter, something to look for in a potential mate. So I think a big part of it is modeling as well as sort of the teaching and instructing that goes on as children go from very young to teenage to young adulthood.
Tudor Dixon
Well, I think this is so important for us to also consider politically what's going on right now. We have so many of these social media influencers who. I love what you said you want to be taking your child to church, you want to be the, the leader, the spiritual leader of the home. And yet I see these influencers who, they say they're Christian, but they are going in and they're attacking communities, they're attacking other faiths, they're saying that this faith is bad and they're going to destroy us. Instead of saying, hey, I want to get with my church and bring more people to my church. Grow what I have, grow what I think is beautiful and right and valuable. Instead, I'm to try to devalue what someone else has. And yet in those families, the father is the leader of the home. The father is home every night. There is a strong community and building of community and building of family. We have to focus. If you believe that Christianity is the future and that that is the way to live you should focus inward, say, how do I expand my church? How do I bring people into my area instead of trying to attack and shut down the others? And I think that's something that we have really struggled with in the conservative community. But the church will lead. I mean, the church will create culture, and it will create the culture that we as Christians would like to expand.
Delano Squires
And I think you hit on something in terms of one of the signs of the decline of men and boys in this country is the embrace of victimhood. And I've certainly seen this on the left for decades. And now I'm seeing the right doing the same thing. This is not to say that there are not legitimate political or policy or even cultural issues to be addressed publicly. Right. And that could be the compatibility of different cultures, whether east and west, different religious faiths. I'm okay with having some of those debates publicly. What worries me is when even I'll see even some of the Christian pastors that I follow, they will act as if, well, all of the problems facing young men, and some of them will go even further and say, young white men today are problems that are caused by those people over there by some external force. And I just don't think you can live life that way. That doesn't mean that there are never external forces acting upon you. But if I don't want to go out and look for a job, if I spend all day looking at porn, if I'm addicted to gambling, particularly sports gambling, if I don't have work ethic and I don't have drive and I won't save whatever little money that I have, and I choose not to approach a young woman that I see either at school or at church because I'm nervous that she'll reject me. It's not about some other community and what they're doing to me. I am not making the best use of the things that God has given me in my own life, and I'm trying to externalize my failures by pointing to someone else and saying, well, if they weren't here or if they weren't doing what they're doing, then my life would be perfect. And I just see that as a losing deal. So one of the things that young men have to learn is to embrace responsibility. Authority and responsibility are two sides of the same coin. And what we've seen, particularly with second wave feminism, is the desire for authority, but the rejection of responsibility. And this is something that has sort of permeated our culture now, where everyone says, no, I want the power. And as soon as they think that they have it, then they say, well, now you can't criticize me. No, it's not my fault. It's always someone else's fault. And this is a bipartisan, cross ideological problem that we have in our country, that we see in politics, that we see in the culture, and that we see in our communities. And you can't have a functioning society where no one wants to take responsibility for anything. So that's why I think young men should embrace it. That doesn't mean everything is their fault. But what it does mean is that the things that are within my ability to control, I'm willing to do my part before I start blaming people for why my life doesn't look the way that it should.
Tudor Dixon
Yeah, that's very interesting. It is. The woe is me of society. And when you look at some of these radical influencers, that is what they're telling young men. And, and I mean, one of the things that Nick Fuentes recently said was, truly, if you got rid of this, if you got rid of this, if you got rid of women, if you got rid of black men, if you got rid of all these people, we would live in a utopia. Well, no, you wouldn't. That's ridiculous. And yet that, that is victimhood. And it's so well masked in empowerment. But you will live in a country where your future is your literally able to have whatever religion you want. You can date whoever, whoever you want. You can have as many children as you want. You are not limited here. But these people are telling you you're limited. And that is, I believe, really affecting the, the stamina, the libido and the minds of our young men. And it makes me very sad to think about that. But I think you hit on something that we have been looking for for so long. What are we doing? How do we talk to these young men? Well, we're combating this victimhood mindset that we never thought we had on the right, but we. The right. It's growing day by day. You've got Tucker Carlson going to Russia and being like, you'd be much happier if you lived in Russia. What the heck? What are you talking about? You know, like, that's nuts. And yet it is really pulling these people in because they have a big following and they are, they have, they've built credibility. So now they can kind of like tear things down. And that, to me, is what's so incredibly dangerous. You've been incredibly enlightening today. Thank you so much for coming on and talking about this stuff. I really appreciate it. So, Delano Squires, tell people where they can follow you.
Delano Squires
They can follow me on X AKA Twitter. Delano D E L A N O Squires S Q U I R E S In the next few weeks, I'm going to post a link to my forthcoming book called the Vanishing Black Family, where I talk about some of these issues, particularly within the black community. But again, a lot of it is generally applicable, like we need to restore order between, you know, within the home and between men, women, and the God who created us. So. But yeah, Twitter is probably the best place. I try to stay out of trouble, but not always so.
Tudor Dixon
But you have such a good grasp on the differences between genders and the men and women and what we are losing there and that human experience of intimacy and love and moving forward as a team. Those are things that I just think we don't have many people talking about. We don't have many men who are willing to come out and talk about this. I think this is something Charlie was uniquely speaking about and that that void has not been filled. In fact, that void instead has gone to this other radical side. And to have a man, a family man, who is able to articulate why that is important and give men something to look forward to. I just really appreciate that you're out there doing that. So thank you.
Delano Squires
Absolutely. Thank you. I appreciate it.
Tudor Dixon
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Date: December 15, 2025
Host: Tudor Dixon (with guest Delano Squires)
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show (iHeartPodcasts)
This episode of The Tudor Dixon Podcast focuses on the current crisis facing young men in America, the evolving role of masculinity, and the need for restoring social and cultural balance between the sexes. Tudor Dixon welcomes Delano Squires, research fellow at the Heritage Foundation’s Center for Human Flourishing, for an in-depth discussion about how public policy, social norms, feminism, and political messaging have contributed to the challenges faced by young men today. They also explore the significance of traditional roles, the negative impact of the “gender war,” and how both men and women can contribute to healthier families and communities.
Young Men’s Reluctance & Social Rules
Critique of Extremes on Both Left and Right
“We cannot have a functioning society or culture if our politics are built on fomenting disdain and discord between the sexes...The gender war politics are failing politics.”
— Delano Squires, 03:21
“Our society celebrates any woman who runs a large complex organization, unless it’s her home.”
— Delano Squires, 12:48
“You can have ethnic tension in a country...but I do not know of a single country where it is a single sex country. ...Men and women need each other in ways that different racial groups do not.”
— Delano Squires, 25:31
“When Democrats show up to talk to black women, they say, vote for me and I can make you vice president...When they show up to speak to black men, they say, vote for me and I'll keep you from becoming George Floyd. It's a very different message for women, they push leadership, for men, they push protection.”
— Delano Squires, 30:10
“More is caught than is taught...So first and foremost is me playing my part, my God-given role.”
— Delano Squires, 40:34
“Authority and responsibility are two sides of the same coin...this is a bipartisan, cross ideological problem”
— Delano Squires, 43:42
Tudor Dixon and Delano Squires present a critical conversation about masculinity’s current state, the need for society to stop pitting the sexes against each other, and to restore honor to traditional familial roles. They assert that culture, policy, and even political parties have contributed to the erosion of men’s sense of purpose and value. Actionable change, they agree, begins first in the home—with fathers modeling healthy masculinity and families nurturing cooperation and respect. The episode offers a compelling argument against both victimhood culture and gender antagonism, instead advocating for restoration of balance, responsibility, and mutual support—both for individual flourishing and societal stability.