“Three Times 9/11” - Sarah Adams Warns Massive Terror Attack Hitting U.S. Soon | Sarah Adams | Ep. 61

Summary

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Podcast Summary: “Three Times 9/11” — Sarah Adams Warns Massive Terror Attack Hitting U.S. Soon

Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Host: iHeartPodcasts
Episode: Ep. 61
Original Air Date: September 29, 2025
Guest: Sarah Adams (Former CIA, counterterrorism expert)

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Overview

This urgent episode features former CIA counterterrorism analyst Sarah Adams, who shares alarming intelligence indicating a large-scale terrorist plot against the United States—potentially “three times the size of 9/11.” Adams walks listeners through the structure, intent, evolution, and current threat level posed by Al Qaeda, ISIS, and a multitude of aligned terror groups, stressing their renewed coordination and sophisticated infiltration strategies. The conversation covers terrorist intermarriage, failed U.S. intelligence, compromised immigration pipelines, sleeper cell tactics, and local law enforcement preparedness, concluding with a candid call for national honesty and proactive security.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Scope and Details of the Threat

• The Plot:

  • Intelligence points to a plot “three times the size of 9/11,” involving:
    • Downing a dozen airliners with suicide bombers.
    • Siege-style ground attacks on U.S. soil, especially Washington D.C., modeled after the "Mumbai" style.
    • Community-level attacks targeting where Americans “live, work, and play”—churches, shopping centers, hospitals.
    • Focused effort to strike veteran-heavy communities “to make the veterans feel in their hometowns what they felt in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan.”
      (Sarah Adams, 03:07–04:32)

• Fused Terror Networks:

  • The current Al Qaeda, Taliban, and Haqqani networks are no longer separate; their families have intermarried.

    • “When you have the Minister of Defense of the Taliban, he’s the brother-in-law of Ham Laden... So, if they're intermarried, they’re no longer separate.”
      (Sarah Adams, 06:24)

  • A new organizational body, the Islamic Resistance Council, allows collaboration and resource-sharing among terror groups (Al Qaeda, ISIS, Al Shabaab, JNIM, and more).
    (Sarah Adams, 06:24–08:26)

2. U.S. Intelligence Gaps and Failures

• Shifted Attention:

  • U.S. counterterror resources shifted from Al Qaeda to ISIS for years, leading to exploitation by terrorists.
  • Intelligence agencies often accept falsified “kills” (e.g., reporting ISIS leaders killed who are later proven alive) and depend on information provided by terrorists themselves.
    (Sarah Adams, 09:38–11:54)

• Critical Quote:

  • “We killed the head of ISIS twice in Syria. Guess what? He’s alive. So we’re going to kill him a third time.”
    (Sarah Adams, 09:38)

• Government Reluctance:

  • Internal U.S. government reluctance even to name Al Qaeda as a current threat—until a recent memo by Joe Kent, which Adams praised as giving some hope for change.
    (Sarah Adams, 11:54)

3. Terrorist Recruitment, Training, and Infiltration

• Terrorist Training:

  • Modern terrorist external operations pipeline includes “selection,” language/cultural training, advanced urban warfare, suicide bombing, use of U.S. training facilities left behind in Afghanistan.
  • “They trained 2,500 external suicide bombers at a time. Every single one of those 2,500 is leaving Afghanistan.”
    (Sarah Adams, 16:14)

• Hierarchies and Leadership:

  • Terrorist “elite” are hand-selected by Hamza bin Laden or high-ranking ISIS leaders, blessed for missions, emphasizing generational succession and operational specialization.
    (Sarah Adams, 21:27)
  • “The airplane suicide bombers have always been special. Osama bin Laden put out his video, the Manhattan raid video, when he went in and actually chose the 20.”
    (Sarah Adams, 21:27)

4. Operational Tactics and U.S. Infiltration

• Entry to U.S.:

  • Multiple routes: via Latin America, official visas, refugee programs, or even aided by U.S. government evacuation efforts (“We also evacuated a number of these Al Qaeda and ISIS figures ourselves... our government put them on our military bases and brought them here.”)
    (Sarah Adams, 25:53)

  • Compromised SIV pipeline:

    • Al Qaeda and ISIS have exploited the Special Immigrant Visa (SIV) program with fake credentials (cost: $10k–$40k depending on group), using short, poorly vetted employment stints as cover.
      (Sarah Adams, 27:49)

• Integration and Cell Activity:

  • Cells enter with support, are already linked to a job/community, specialize in roles (“not all are sleepers; some make IEDs, others do intelligence collection or recruitment”).
  • “Some of them have been in country two years doing these processes... sleepers are very, very active.”
    (Sarah Adams, 29:31)

5. Domestic Security, Law Enforcement, and Community Vigilance

• Dispelling Myths About ‘Sleeper Cells’:

  • Modern cells avoid isolation and ethnic enclaves; they integrate into communities where they “make sense,” guided by cover, operational needs, and Westernization.
  • “They wanted to do the complete opposite of 9/11... These are going to be very westernized people. So this isn’t going to be someone who comes off as very extremist... just to let you know, the sleepers are very, very active.” (Sarah Adams, 36:19–39:26)

• Law Enforcement Readiness:

  • Small municipal police departments are underfunded and often unaware; only those with proactive members are seeking proper multi-shooter, multi-site attack training.
  • Adams urges agencies to use “active shooter” drills with multiple actors as a cover for real counterterror preparations.
    (Sarah Adams, 40:25, 42:19)

• Public Recommendations:

  • Focus on your family and immediate community—home defense, neighborhood organization, relationships with local law enforcement, veteran groups, and securing secondary emergency resources (like blood banks and alternative care sites).
    (Sarah Adams, 44:37)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “They want to do three times the size of 9/11. It’s very simple. They want to do another aviation plot, but this time their intent is to take down a dozen airliners… kind of like a siege on D.C.—very Mumbai style.”
  — Sarah Adams, 03:07

• “Now all their kids are in their forties… So first off, there seems to be a lot of confusion still in the government where they say Al Qaeda, Taliban, Haqqani... If they’re intermarried, they’re no longer separate.”
  — Sarah Adams, 06:24

• “The CIA got the assessment wrong that Hamza Bin Laden is dead. So they told it to President Trump… now they don’t want to go tell Trump because he’s obviously gonna wipe out their whole department, which he should do because... they’re covering their own butts.”
  — Sarah Adams, 10:53

• “The airplane suicide bombers have always been special. Osama bin Laden put out his video, the Manhattan raid video, when he went in and actually chose the 20... those have always been a top priority.”
  — Sarah Adams, 21:27

• “Our government put [terrorists] on our military bases... brought them here, which is going to blow the American people’s minds when we have dead terrorists and they ended up being shepherded out by the US government.”
  — Sarah Adams, 25:53

• “The only way to thwart a terrorist attack is you gotta be proactive against it, which we haven’t been. One way to be proactive against it is you gotta go after the masterminds.”
  — Sarah Adams, 47:42

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:07 — Adams presents the current threat: “Three times the size of 9/11.”
• 06:24 — Terrorist intermarriage eliminates boundaries between Al Qaeda, Taliban, Haqqani.
• 09:38 — U.S. intelligence blind spots and the “fake kill” problem.
• 13:30 — Modern terrorist selection, training, and role specialization.
• 16:14 — Mass suicide bomber production in Afghanistan.
• 21:27 — Terror chain of command: how elite attackers are chosen.
• 25:53 — How terrorists enter the U.S.; compromised SIV process.
• 29:31 — What “sleeper cells” do in America; their integration and roles.
• 36:19 — Myths about sleeper cell placement and operational security.
• 40:25 — Law enforcement readiness and realistic drills.
• 44:37 — Public advice for preparedness, response, and resilience.
• 47:42 — Adams’ recommendations for government action.

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Conclusion: Expert Recommendations & Final Thoughts

Sarah Adams concludes with a call for the U.S. government to “tell the truth” to both the public and internal agencies, root out intelligence and security failures, aggressively target terrorist masterminds, and fix compromised immigration and intelligence pipelines. She urges local law enforcement and civilians to focus on realistic preparation, collaboration, and community resilience.

“Al Qaeda is going to do this massive attack, then they have to cut off the pieces of misinformation... The only way to thwart a terrorist attack is you gotta be proactive against it, which we haven’t been.”
— Sarah Adams, 47:42

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This summary distills the urgent warnings and practical recommendations voiced by Sarah Adams, making clear the evolving and imminent nature of the threat, the sophistication of adversaries, and the essential need for vigilance and candor at all levels of American society and government.

Transcript

[Sarah Adams]

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[Sarah Adams]

Know about the plot, it's very, very large. They want to do three times the size of 9 11. It's very simple. They want to do another aviation plot, but this time their intent is to take down about a dozen airliners using suicide bombers. They want to do it's kind of like a siege on D.C. is the best way to put it, very Mumbai style. And then the last piece, just recently.

[Podcast Host (Interviewer)]

The Counterterrorism center issued a warning that said foreign terrorists are actively seeking how to engage American and American interests all over the world, in particular in the homeland. On today's show, I want to welcome Sarah Adams who has since her media, her appearance on the Sean Ryan show has had a meteoric rise in not only describing the magnitude of what foreign terrorists, how they're training, how they're being funded, but more importantly, raising the flag, raising the alarm that some something is coming to the American shoreline. And so it is an absolute honor and privilege to welcome Sarah to the show today. Sarah, thank you so much for joining me.

[Sarah Adams]

Thanks for having me.

[Podcast Host (Interviewer)]

For sure. All right, so just to get out of for those who aren't aware and aren't paying attention, what is your prediction right now? What do you think is is been in planning. Has been in planning and what is on the precipice of taking place?

[Sarah Adams]

Yeah, I mean it's not a prediction if people are unaware. We've been running human networks into al Qaeda for a decade now. Of course, it was to identify the terrorists who attacked us in Benghazi. But since the fall of Kabul, a lot of those Libyans went to Afghanistan. Right. So the interesting part is everybody's coming back together, the bands back together. And that's why we have the threat picture. We have. So what we know about the plot, it's very, very large. They want to do three times the size of 9 11. It's very simple. They want to do another aviation PL but this time their intent is to take down about a dozen airliners using suicide bombers. They want to do it's kind of like a siege on D.C. is the best way to put it very Mumbai style. And then the last piece, ISIS is going to kind of handle this piece. They want to have attacks where you live, work and play. These are community level attacks. So we're talking churches, shopping centers, hospitals. And their focus is really on communities that have a higher percentage of a veteran population because they want the veterans to feel in their hometowns what they felt in Iraq and Syria and Afghanistan. That's supposed to be the feel of that piece.

[Podcast Host (Interviewer)]

Interesting. All right, and so as you've been tracking this, obviously, I mean you were former tracker yourself. How does, how. I mean the thing that really got me recently is you talked about the fact about Hamza Bin Laden, the unification of all the different cells coming together. Have you seen as a result of marriage that took place with Mullah Omar's daughter? Right. Or is that what it was? And, and, and is an explosion because of how many cells are actually or how many organizations have come together and are training now in Afghanistan and other places? Has the chatter just exploded around the world?

[Sarah Adams]

Yeah, I mean a really important thing to understand is all of these terrorists, this first generation. So if we talk bin Laden, Zawi, hereis the Libyans, it doesn't really matter, right. All of their kids intermarried and now all their kids are in their 40s and then the grandchildren are right, Bin Laden's, Omar's or Haqqanis or whatever you want to call it. So first off, there seems to be a lot of confusion still in the government where they say Al Qaeda, Taliban, Haqqani. Well when you have the Minister of defense of the Taliban, he's the brother in law of Ham Laden. And you have the Minister of Interior Sarajuddin Haqqani, who's the brother in law of Hamza bin La. And then you have Hamza Bin Laden. How do you put Haqqani's Taliban and Al Qaeda separate? If they're intermarried, they're no longer separate. So that's the first part. They just came together by marriage. Now Hamza went back to an old plan his father had. It's nuance called Islamic army but the real name is like the Islamic Resistance Council. And all this is, is for the last year they've been making deals and partnerships with a number of terrorist groups. And so they will share training, research, so share work on plots together. If you're all Shabab and you need 50 more guys to do some certain plot Mogadishu, we'll provide you 50 from these other groups. Right. It's proxy based army is the Best way to put it. So now when we talk about the homeland plot, all of this proxy army is coming to support it. So even though it's Al Qaeda's plot, there's going to be ISIS, there's going to be HTs, there's going to be Al Shabaab, there's going to be JNIM, there's going to be Al Qaeda's other branches, AQ, AQ, I am, there's Ansel Asharia from Libya, etc. So this is where it gets very, very complicated. This is kind of the new way that they have kind of innovated and grown and we're not ready for this.

[Podcast Host (Interviewer)]

I think that's fascinating. And one of the other things that, you know, you had made a comment about the recent CTC announcement and saying that, you know, it's great to have Tulsi Gabbard and Joe Kent at the helm there. People who have been in fight in particular, Joe, one of my favorite human beings on the planet. But when you look at the previous administration and probably even in Trump's first administration as the manipulation of ISIS and Syria and the development of what's taking place there, you have this kind of blind eye that's turned away from, I mean the whole thing with legend going on Sean show and talking about us still funding the Taliban at $40 million a week, that's mind blow blowing to me. And so it seems like our intelligence community has almost been, you know, focused on something else as all this has imagined. How hard is it to shift focus back and start putting assets in organ or not organizations, but different units on the hunt now in real time.

[Sarah Adams]

Yeah, well a lot of this happened because everybody failed to go after isis. And then when they realized ISIS isn't the JV team, they become this powerhouse. They shifted all the resources towards that. Well, the terrorists took advantage of that, as you can imagine. They're like, hey, America wants to fight isis, we'll fight isis. And that's when we started working with the Taliban against isis. Now we're working with Abu Mohammed Al Julani against isis, but we're not doing real operations. I wrote a whole 50 page report on how they're fake. In Afghanistan, the same thing's happening so far this year. We killed the head of ISIS twice in Syria. Guess what? He's alive. So we're gonna kill him a third time. So first off, we need leaders, especially centcom saying, yeah, we're not killing who we say we're killing. These are ruses. Our BDA is basically Coming from terrorists, we're failing until the military and the intelligence community be honest that they're not really getting the targets. They say it's gonna be really hard to fix that piece because remember, they're then the people who brief. So how's he gonna know that we didn't really get the head of isis? Cuz he has the commander of CENTCOM telling him so. That's one really frustrating part. The other part is the CIA got the assessment wrong that Hamza Bin Laden is dead. So they told it to President Trump in his last term and he announced it to the country. Well, now they don't wanna go tell Trump because he's obviously gonna wipe out their whole department, which he should do because, right, they're covering their own butts. They're not doing what's right for the American people. So we have a lot of hubris in the intelligence agency. We have a lot of people who are protecting their turf. And remember, we have this frustrating piece that they're like, we just gotta wait a few years, we wait this leader out, we get another leader. Right? That's another thing you have to be really, really honest about. So it's gonna be really hard to shift to Al Qaeda. It's very difficult to get anyone to say Al Qaeda. I think everybody kind of took this huge sigh of relief when Joe Kent's title said Al Qaeda. Like, it was like, oh my God, we haven't been able to get anyone to say Al Qaeda for like four years. Like he brought almost like a lot of hope to the community. But they now need to get the rest of the IC on board and we have not seen that happen yet.

[Podcast Host (Interviewer)]

Oh, that's, that's disheartening. But hopefully, I mean, I'm, I'm out of everybody out there. I'm most optimistic with Joe and Tulsi. I mean, I really, I think he's fought him, he's been there, he understands, you know, the capability. And I just, you know, hopefully he'll pivot. All right. One of the things that I think most civilians struggle with is just processing the reality of that could be true, that there are not just six pilots that are hiding in different locations. And I tell you what, I'm really interested to see the. Catherine, I don't know if you paid attention to Katherine Hendred's reporting recently about the exposure of the Saudi people that had actually welcomed in a couple of the, the pilots into California, supported them financially, all this, and you know, that that alone is just staggering. So, you know, in these times. And as Tucker releases his 911 documentary, you're like, oh my God. Is. Is you know what's taking place? Like, what is the size of this look at? And I think most civilians can't fathom that or the entire process of how it takes place. So could you walk us through, you know, one like, how does a sleeper cell get formed? Right. Where does it get trained? Where do they, you know, how do they end up making it into America? And just kind of walk us through how a cell will make it to a place all the way to where they're on standby to receive activation.

[Sarah Adams]

Sure. I mean, we'll talk present day because things have changed just a little bit. So how it's working now to do an external operation, if you're Al Qaeda or isis, it really doesn't matter. You go into basically an external operations training camp. Okay. And then if you meet muster and you're qualified and you meet the background necessary to go overseas, you kind of move up and keep doing added training and you learn different things. So obviously what they're looking for is that you're patient, you speak good English, you can blend in the west. You have some sort of skill or expertise that would be like a really great cover. So they look for people who can fit that background. It's very similar to the 911 hijackers. When you talk about those Saudis who took care of him, we have to remember these 911 hijackers came from wealthy families. They were educated, they knew people within their governments. They went to school with the richest kids. So you have to keep that in mind that they had personal relationships that might not be with the actual government. It's because they grew up in these environments. You know, I worked Kashmir for many years. Well, the Kashmiri terrorists who had wealthy families all went to the same boarding schools, right? So I'm just letting people know like, that you're missing a little bit of nuances in actually the terrorist. Personal relationships with people who are always willing to help them. As you know, it'd be like if someone reached out to me from my middle school, you know, I jump to help them now. So they go through these camps. The interesting part is first, what happens if you fail the camp? Right? Like, nobody talks about that. So if you're in an Al Qaeda camp to come to the United States or Europe and you fail, what they do is they move you to an ISIS Khorasan province camp and you get a very short training session. It's maybe like to do stabbings or something. Like that, maybe make a few IEDs and they deploy you to Europe. The interesting thing is then Taliban takes your name, they give it to European authorities, and European authorities look for you, wrap you up or maybe do an attack quick and they miss it. But it looks like the Taliban gave it in advance. But that person was a flunky. So let's ignore the flunkies. Now if you're really good, there's different routes you can go. So one route is just the suicide bomber training. So suicide bomber training now is six months. It's pretty crazy. You're on ecstasy. You learn how to make kind of these invisible bombs and then you learn how to make a bunch of other IDs. You obviously go through months first of indoctrination. It's a lot. One of the biggest suicide bomber training camps is actually at Camp Chapman Post base.

[Podcast Host (Interviewer)]

Wow.

[Sarah Adams]

They trained 2,500 external suicide bombers at a time. So every single One of those 2,500 is leaving Afghanistan. Think about that. It's very scary. Unbelievable. Now then there's other things and really we just call it advanced urban warfare because that's what they're calling it. But it's like CQB or whatever. Now these are more like ground assault teams is the best way to put it. So they go through a variety of things. It can be driving training, they learn to make a ton of different IEDs. Obviously they also are forced to learn the invisible bomb. And then a lot of thing is movement tactics inside buildings. They assault things like they practice on complexes or they pretend it's like a church or a school. Remember we left our shoot houses there? So I know in your head you know where exactly they're practicing. Maybe too you can explain that to people because it's hard. People talk about weapons left behind, but it's like, no, we left like the best training facilities in the world and they're using that. So that's kind of just your basic. Hey, your first year in terrorist camp.

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Ugh.

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Come on.

[Sarah Adams]

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[Podcast Host (Interviewer)]

It's almost like a selection, right? It's like your buds or your selection or whatever it is. And then as as you Prove your worth and value. Now you move into those, those more significant plot. Right, right. And, and if, if you were. It's interesting. There is, it almost felt like there was a hierarchy of, of the plots. Right. There's the, the initial, like stabbing, the killing someone with car, ramming into people with cars like in New Orleans, you know, real basic stuff. And then you have the bomber, which you know is singular in nature. But then there's that, that October 7th Mumbai assault team that works in conjunction. And that, that for me is just like, whoa. That's another level that, you know, they're going to be able to get really the impact that they're hoping that they receive from those types of, those types of oper for sure.

[Sarah Adams]

Yeah, that's actually a very interesting point, the selection process, because I can just talk through a few things. We've seen, in some cases we've really seen Hamza bin Laden choose someone. And in those cases it was mostly a second generation terrorist. His father was famous, so he gets chosen for an operation. We have one recently like that, he's leading one in the Middle East. His father was a very, very famous Egyptian. Okay, so that's one category. There's another category. When you prove yourself right on the battle, you're proving ground and then you move up and what they're doing in that case, you kind of move up into like an elite class and you get to meet with Sifal Otto, who is the mastermind of this homeland plot. You know, very famous Egyptian, former military there. And those are kind of that smaller group. More important then there is the piece where people get to meet with homs of bin Laden. So there has some that got to sit down and be blessed by Homs of bin Laden. We don't know if it's like they have set command. And then obviously, as we know, the airplane suicide bombers have always been special. Osama bin Laden put out his video, the Manhattan raid video, when he went in and actually chose the 20. So those have always been a top priority. So did Homs actually meet with them? We're not sure which pockets, but he did sit down and bless some of them. So there are hierarchies now that's just on the Al Qaeda side. There are also hierarchies on the ISIS side. So, so ISIS for the homeland plot. The best ones are chosen by a guy named Rajav Salahuddin. So he's basically the military general for isis, Khorasan province. But some of them get to meet Sana Ulaghari, the head of IT who Blesses them. Now, this is the people who train in Afghanistan. There's also training in Syria, and in Syria has similar pipelines. So there's an ISIS pipeline, and you basically fall under ISIS military commission. It was Abdullah Maki, if you don't know him, we killed him in a strike in March in Iraq. So he was running that piece of the training pipeline, and he was actually connected to Jobber in New Orleans. So he ran job or cell from Syria. Now then there's a whole other pipeline under Abu Mohammed Al Jilani, the new president of Syria. And they're kind of like a lot of HTS camps. And so they go through HTS pipel and then they're deployed essentially from Syria by hts. So it's really interesting. There's a number of senior leaders at the top, and the plot is approved by Al Qaeda, Shura and Isa Shura. We've never had a plot like this ever to exist.

[Podcast Host (Interviewer)]

They were communicating in conjunction. It's almost like the aspiration of the grand caliphate is emerging. Right. And. And you know, my assumption is it takes place and out of that place becomes this ultra organization, right. That that is all encompassing. And then that can be the rallying kai for the next revolution or the next Intifada or whatever you wanted to call it.

[Sarah Adams]

Yeah, I'm going to talk quick about that, though. So they have a real caliphate plan now in their minds. They're moving very aggressively on this. Obviously, Iran is the first country in the caliphate, even though but it's not exactly affected by them. Afghanistan's the second, Syria's the third. They're hoping to make Somalia the fourth. And then they're looking for Burkina, fasa, Libya, and then they have a plan just like we saw in Syria for Iraq. So when they trained for the Syrian blitzkrieg, they trained for an Iraqi one. So that is an upcoming plot. So to the terrorists that are winning and they have pieces of the caliphate back, and they believe they're gonna aggressively take more countries. And even if we don't think they will, and we have to remember they're using that and they're excited by that.

[Podcast Host (Interviewer)]

Wow. Wow. All right. All right. How do they. Once they've get and chosen, they've gone through selection, they've gotten their training, how do they make it to the United States? Because I think a lot of people right now, the borders are shut down. We've cut it all off. We're good to go. There's no way they can slip through. We're good. What's military on the southern border. How do they get through? How do they get over here?

[Sarah Adams]

Yeah, I mean, there's a number of ways. There's obviously rat lines. It could be from Afghanistan, Iran, Turkey, and we've even seen them from Libya. So the terrorists kind of go to one of them and they launch off. Most of the time they launch off and they go to Latin America and come up. Sometimes they launch off and they get official visa. So they might go through Europe and maybe be refugees at first and then they might come through Canada and come in legally or we have had terrorists evacuated by the US government who are non Afghan as Afghans in the process. So we also evacuated a number of these Al Qaeda and ISIS figures ourselves. Our government put them on our military bases in Ramstein and Qatar and brought them here, which is going to blow the American people's minds when we have dead terrorists. And they ended up being shepherded out by the US government. So. So there's multiple processes they prefer if they can legal. Now another thing is we always focus on Afghanistan. But remember, there is also a special immigrant visa pipeline for Iraq, Syria. I mean, sorry, ISIS has also used the Iraq pipeline and sent ISIS members through that SIV process. So it's not just the Afghanistan process that's compromised. It is also the Iraqi. Now I just want to explain to you how this compromise works really quick. Okay, so if you're a normal person, it's pretty cheap. Maybe 8 or 9,000, you can get like fake HR letters that. Let's just pick Bagram because everyone's talking about it. You worked at Bagram for a year as a cook. They fill it out, they submit it. So it's pretty cheap. If you have no criminal background, if you're ISIS, it costs kind of between like, like 10,000 and 19,000 you pay for this paperwork to come here. If you're Al Qaeda, it costs between 20 and 40,000.

[Podcast Host (Interviewer)]

Wow.

[Sarah Adams]

You get fake documents, but they're real and you can come into a legal US process. That's just fine. Now here's why it's so easy to exploit. For some reason, the US government made the standard that you only had to work one year ever for our government in Afghanistan. Think about that. When I was in the CIA for many years, I went overseas to this one location and we had a really great squared away local. After 20 years, CIA gave him a SIV, which makes sense. Long time, long vetted.

[Podcast Host (Interviewer)]

Long vetted, yep.

[Sarah Adams]

These year ones, people don't know them, they're not vetted. You could have any Real job in these military bases. So it's such a broken system. There's also a lot of corruption. There's Americans who took money to write fake letters, etc. All these contract companies who are based in Afghanistan are taking money from Al Qaeda and isis. So it's a real compromise pipeline.

[Podcast Host (Interviewer)]

Wow. All right, so they make it over through all those variables once they get in. I mean, and I think, you know, there was just a hearing on Capitol Hill, I think last week or the week before where, you know, a congressperson identified that out of the 400,000 housing missing kids, they've identified like 220,000 of them. And 40 plus thousand of those have been trafficked, have been sold into sex slavery and all this. And you know, but, but that's after the fact, taking it, you know, trying to track it down. What is the process? They get here and then where are they released? Where do they go? How do they begin to integrate or assimilate into, you know, that covert action.

[Sarah Adams]

Yeah. So at least what we've seen from the few cell members, so we found about 15 terrorists so far in the United States. So I'm basing on a small population, but they all are involved in the upcoming plot. Okay, so they haven't done an action yet. Now what we've learned from them is most of them did come illegally the last few years. So they come in and then they go to a certain point, Right. Certain cities have kind of like a welcome point is the best way to put it. And they go there and they already have a job lined up. They already kind of joined their cell and they have the community involved around them as part of their terror cell. So they don't come here as a one off and have to make it work. It's all set and ready for them. Now when they come here, they have lots of times a regular cover job. But a lot of people call them sleepers, thinking, oh, they're just waiting until the date of the attack. But no, they all have something they're supposed to do. Some like their job is really to make IEDs. Like this guy just makes pipe bombs, this guy just makes sticky bombs, this guy just makes suicide vests. And that's their job for months and months and months. There's chemicals, unfortunately, there's a chemical piece of this. Your job is in the chemical lab. There's surveillance, counter surveillance, a lot of intelligence collection. Remember, they want to go into veteran communities. Well, a piece of the part of going into veteran communities. There are certain veterans, they are interested in targeting. So as you can imagine, they need to get their pattern of life, those type of things. So there is a lot of work going on by sleeper cells and some of them have been in country two years doing these processes and so people need to understand they're well employed, they're active. Now another piece that's really fascinating is some of them have a job to where they have to build the cell within the United States. They have to bring in more cell members recruited on your soil, which is very, very fascinating. But also those should be easier to find because they're actually making outreach, they're recruiting people, et cetera. So just to let you know, the sleepers are very, very active.

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[Podcast Host (Interviewer)]

Yeah, yeah. You know, I think, you know, when we see those, those ideas of, of, you know, Dearborn, Michigan that have, you know, the streets are covered with midday call and they block the streets and you're like, all right, then it's, it's the, that's the traditional place. Is that if you're in quote, sleeper cell, are you going to facilitate or utilize the cultural pockets within these different cities or will they be independent? Will they be unique? Will they be the one or two people living in an apartment in some random city away from those larger pockets of what American citizens will be like, oh, well, that's a unique pocket. Foreigners. That is what it is, right? Like in Portland, there's a large contingency of Somalis right wherever it is. Is. Is that what they utilize to help foster not only the financing but the relationships for to be employed? Also the ability, the outreach, community outreach to, to bring people in. Is that. Or is it ultra covert, low profile stuff?

[Sarah Adams]

Yeah. First off, they wanted to do the complete opposite of 9 11. So they're not going to put lines like three people in a small town. And then people like these guys are strange. They're not fitting in, they're not joining anything they don't seem to be getting jobs. Like that's over. Right. So they are all in communities where they make sense. Now, that doesn't mean they're in fully Muslim communities or housing, of course. So because remember, these are going to be very westernized people. So this isn't going to be someone who comes off as a very extremist. Honest. Right. That's not his cover. So he's gonna be able to hang out in New Orleans just fine. Right. So people have to stop focusing on they're in these Muslim only communities. That's just not how it's working. Especially the ethnic. Ethnicities I know here, like the Somali I know that's here is not in one of the Somali communities. Right. So you know, just from the backgrounds. And again, again, it's not like different terrorist groups are going certain ways. They really are intermixed. And what I feel a lot of location is based on is the skill set of what they're in charge of doing or what piece of the plot is there. So if they're going to be the vbid guy, they got to go into the part of the country where they're going to make the VBIDs. Obviously, if you're the suicide bomber, let's say you have a suicide bomb in aviation, you're going to go near where the first hub airport is, right. For your operation. So it's based more on the operational strategy. And then you're in a community of course though, where you blend in and make sense. Now there are little tells that have always been there. So one thing Al Qaeda always does is they're still strict. So if you have, let's say it's a safe house, it's just gonna be an apartment. And there's rules involved in the safe house. One is women never come to the safe house. Right. So you got these young, good looking, educated guys. A few of them always go to this building and never bring a woman, never bring a child. It's kind of a tell. I don't know if you read ever the Manchester Manual. No, I don't know if it's like 15 or 20 years ago it got pulled out of an op in Britain. You can get a really good copy of it online because it was used in a court case case. But there's a piece in there that actually walks through what they look for when they get a safe house. But it's really just an apartment. And it's actually really interesting and fascinating and I think people should read it because they still look for Their safe houses the same way. And there are some unique features, especially two doors, which a lot of apartments have one door. So there's also weird things like you can't overlook courtyards or pools. They don't want you to see women and all these type of things. So there's all these interesting things. They have also multiple documents. Right. Multiple identities. So I do think people should look at that because you can learn a lot from it.

[Podcast Host (Interviewer)]

That's fascinating. That's the type of thing I think people are hungry for. Right. They're trying to figure out. All right, because you put in any small municipality and certainly the counterterrorism budgets have shrunk into almost nil. And you know, I mean, I remember in the heyday when I was at Blackwater, you know, we had 3,000 people a day training at the, you know, at the facility, you know, and most of those were small community law enforcement agencies because they got some federal funding to be on the look, well, that's not happening right now. So how is the message being received in your mind or what? You know, on the smaller municipalities, the smaller agencies, the place that has 200 police officers and a small SWAT contingency, what are they doing in preparation for all of this?

[Sarah Adams]

Yeah, I mean, honestly, I've met a lot of law enforcement organizations since January. Very large ones and very small ones. And it's more than based on if they have some go getters in the department that press their leadership like this is important. We got to get briefed on this. There's a lot of SWAT teams who don't have the funding to do it, but they're changing their tactics. Obviously. I'm not going to explain how. So terrorists don't know. But anyway, so it's really a lot of go getters. Unfortunately, we started off as you can imagine, a lot of people in law enforcement being like, well, is it going to happen in my town? What I like to say is, well, what percentage of your town is veterans? Right? Like that's where you start also. So if it's going to go on for multiple days, potentially, well, are you going to get called to back up? How far away are these cities from you now? We don't know a lot of the cities. We know some of the states ISIS is focused on and then the AQAP video has a few cities, but that doesn't mean that's where they'll be. But there's a lot of focus on Pennsylvania in this threat. A lot. If you are in any city in Pennsylvania, you should Be preparing in my opinion or. Right. So there are certain states that have been very forward leaning. Florida has been very forward leaning. Alabama, Georgia, the Carolinas, Tennessee. We've been up to New York multiple times. So luckily there are pockets. The problem is, until Mr. Kent put out this memo this week, a lot of them didn't have anything to stand on when they went to try to sell, hey, we need to move funds to do this kind of training. So a lot of them were doing like, we need to do different kinds of active shooter training. And this is really smart. So what they did, and I think people should do this. If you don't get support, you say we need to do an active shooter drill, but we need to do an active shooter drill with three shooters hitting two locations. Right?

[Podcast Host (Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Sarah Adams]

Very simple change. But it does help with this threat. And you don't have to say it's counterterrorism related, unfortunately. Right. You got to play other ruses to sometimes get money or the funding or the support. But we've seen a lot of people do really creative things.

[Podcast Host (Interviewer)]

That, that's fascinating to me because I, you know, that's the one plot that I think is, is the one that resonates with me. It's, it's the one I'll never forget when Mumbai took place, you know, not that, you know, I'm praising the attack, but the tactics in that were the best I had ever seen. Right. They were just 10 guys wreaking havoc, holding the city hostage for what, hours or whatever it was. And if, imagine that with, you know, in a, in, you know, a smaller city of 250,000, 300,000 people, you know, a smaller police force, you know, not a lot of big government entities that can respond. You know, it's, it's like that's the thing that is really the most alarming in particular if people like you're saying, had a year, year and a half of training and preparation and then, you know, access to the other things because a lot of, I think people like, well, where are they going to get their guns? How are they going to get their tactical equipment? Yeah, yeah, right. It's like, how are they going to get their tactical equipment? Where are they training? You know, and it's like, it's just not realistic. And that's what I hear a lot of people and read a lot of people as I, you know, comb through your trolls when you make your posts and you know, and want to go after, I'm like, you don't know what you, you're talking about, but you know, that's what I think people are kind of what I'm concerned of. And, and so how do people in their local community, civilians, what, what can they do to kind of be heads up, head on a swivel, increase their essay. And then if one of those incidents does take place and they're engaged and around it, you know, how do you, how do you. I mean, obviously I think all the veterans that they're going to be going, most veterans that I know, at least my friends all carry, you know, now I know a lot of dudes that are actually carrying backpacks with, you know, suppressed automatic or semi, automatic, you know, long guns in there. You know, what is the deconfliction and what is the reaction that people can have in those search in those situations?

[Sarah Adams]

Yeah, I mean, your hope is to not be on the X or in the location where it happens. What I like to try to tell people is you focus is on your family emergency plan and being home and protecting your family or at least protecting your neighborhood. Right, right. Have a neighborhood group watch. They block off the neighborhood if something is happening. And then your police handle the city and the roads, your sheriff handle the main highways, et cetera. Now, as you said, we're going to have a lot of people rolling on this attack if it happens. We're just going to. Because we've had war fighters training for 20 years. So what we've been at least trying to do in Florida and we're pushing in other states is have those meetings and conversations now, especially with the veteran organizations in your town, know who they are, because we have a problem where the terrorists might dress as law enforcement. So now when you see this veteran you've never met, you know, well trained, well armed, he looks like law enforcement. Is he an attacker? Is he not? There's going to be a lot of confusion in this. So we're telling everyone, make all the relationships you can now. Right. Bring community into it now because you're in a better spot. Also, as you can imagine, let's say they hit the hospital, right. And then they do a second round. Well, now you can't use a hospital. Well, did you have conversation with the local schools, the local churches? Did you stop by pile medical supplies elsewhere? Do you even have the blood levels where they need to be at the blood banks in your town? There are very, very simple things that help in any emergency that people are not doing. And we need to get citizens involved. Right. I get my house in order, I get my kids school in order, I get my church in order. And then I work with the mayor, the police chief or whatever to get the community in order. And I think that's the best way we at least handle how we protect and defend ourselves. Now when something like this happens, the scale it's going to happen at, it's going to be like 9 11. You didn't know what 911 was, but you went the hell home. And that's what we really. That's what you need to really focus on. The majority of people are going to need to keep themselves and the people they love safe.

[Podcast Host (Interviewer)]

Awesome. That's fantastic. All right, last question. You know, obviously we saw the president of Syria on stage with General Petraeus recently. And the acknowledgement of. Of. Of this is for me in particular. I know for you, it's. I've listened to you. I know all my friends are just in absolute, you know, astonished disbelief that this is taking place. What, in your opinion, is the right way for the government to begin to acknowledge this is real? And then. And then, you know, to really. What. What would you like to see with them working with in and around the IC community, but all the other government agents, Homeland Bureau, all that, what would you like to start to see take place?

[Sarah Adams]

Yeah, I mean, our government first has to be honest, right? Al Qaeda is going to do this massive attack, then they have to cut off the pieces of misinformation. That's obviously the information coming from the Taliban and the information coming from the new Syrian government. This is now tainted intelligence, and we need to handle it as such, even if you take it from them. Fine. But it needs to be marked. So if I'm an analyst in DIA and I read the CIA report, it says on it the CIA got it from the Taliban, because that is not happening right then. So you have to do that. You also have to have the real discussion. The terrorists know we collect plenty of things over the phones. Most of them got captured on their phones. So they actually sit and do planning and strategy meetings for what they're going to say on the phone so NSA can collect it. So we have to stop saying NSA information is cooperation. Right, because that is also tainted. We have to be very honest. It's hard for people in the intelligence community to admit I've been fooled by terrorists, but we have been. Dr. Ayman Al Zarahiri fooled us with the coast bombing. He fooled us with Hamza and Saad bin Laden. Like, there are real, factual things where the intelligence community failed. Now this is just another one. So we first got to be honest about that. I do think with Atulsi and Joe at the helm, I do think they don't have the hubris and I think they'll care more to protect Americans. And now they got to get everybody else on board. So that's one thing. The other part is the only way to Thor and terrorist attack is you got to be proactive against it, which we haven't been. One way to be proactive against it is you got to go after the masterminds. I know no one's going to put Giuliani in the X right now. So unfortunately I'm going to have to ignore problems the Syria piece of it, which I don't think we should be doing, but we should be going after scifol Oddle. There's no argument. Scifol ODL is one of the most wanted terrorists in the world. And you know, CENTCOM is actually ignoring information being provided to them on his location. They are not actively targeting him, which is crazy. So he's the mastermind of this plot. Obviously they have to be honest about the Bin Laden sons start collecting on them. Think about it. They have not collected against SA bin Laden since 2009. That is an intelligence failure like you could never believe. So there has to be a lot of honesty. You gotta say, wait, we messed this up, let's get it straightened out. And CENTCOM has not been honest about the ISIS fight. I don't know if we need the Secretary of War to say, hey, I'm gonna do some sort of counterintelligence review, just like the CIE chief needs to do a counterintelligence review of the Afghanistan department. But something is wrong now. Is it just bad reporting? Is it these relationships with the terrorists, et cetera? I don't know what it is, but we have to find the root causes of some of these problems. Lastly, we brought in all these terrorists, we gotta move them out faster. We have to prioritize at least their nationalities right now I'm not saying block everybody from those countries, but we know there's certain passports that are compromised. Afghanistan, Syria, Turkey, Libya. I'm sorry, every single person with one of those passports better be in rooms all week long being questioned. Because I don't even know if these people on Afghan passports are Afghan. Well, I want an Afghan sitting in front of them talking to them. You know, let's do some enhanced vetting.

[Podcast Host (Interviewer)]

From your lips, Sarah. From your lips to his ears. Man, I just hope people are listening to you. I know your audience has certainly grown own. I just can't thank you enough for having the courage. Obviously it doesn't always put you in the safest space, but I know you're protected, I know you're smart and I know you're watching your six all the time. I just can't thank you enough for spending time with my audience and me. God bless you for what you're doing and, and just keep it up. Thank you.

[Sarah Adams]

Thanks. Thanks for having me.

[Podcast Host (Interviewer)]

What's up, everybody? I am here to talk to you about fear. Well, you know, one of the things that I hear so much when I travel the country speaking to thousands of people every year is people want to always know, was I afraid? And they asked me, you know, were you afraid in combat? Were you afraid in training? And you know, I'm here to tell you, like, those are really intimate questions. Questions. Because the answer is, hell yes, I was afraid. I was afraid all the time. Imagine every single day you go into work is a day you could die. Well, you know, it took me a long time to get comfortable with being able to answer that question sincerely. I used to blow it off in some snapper head response like, well, have you ever had a 300 pound boat on your head and stayed awake for five straight days with some instructor screaming in your face all day? And they'd be like, no. And I go, well, you'd be afraid too, right? And I kind of blew it off in this kind of snapperhead way, as I said. And the reality is people actually generally want to know. With the assassination of Charlie Kirk, with an eminent terrorist attack threat, and on the homeland, with financial chaos, on the precipice of $38 trillion in debt, you know, there's a lot of fear going on around the world. World, and most importantly in our country. And so what I've done in conjunction with the past 35 years of me really trying to explore, experience and research everything that I could, I could within the human condition to try and understand what drives success and what ultimately creates failures with teams or individuals. The first place that I wanted to focus on was embracing fear because there's no such thing. Thing is fearless, right? If you hear somebody tell you, oh, that person's fearless, you know what I say to that? It doesn't exist, right? You've got a limbic system, you've got these three beautiful components of your brain called the amygdalas and the hippocampus. Those produce stress hormones. Therefore you have fear. Plus fear has been integrated into our consciousness since, well, since consciousness began, right? Fear is ultimately the thing that Enables you, you to either survive, thrive or die. It's just built into the whole capacity. On top of that, you learn fear. From the moment you're born, you learn fear. Don't touch the burning stove. Don't cross the street without looking twice. Don't go around the freak who's trying to, you know, suck you into the, the van, right? We have all these things in our lives that are integrated into how we process fear, how we experience fear, how we feel fear, how fear affects us in our daily routines. Well, after a considerable amount of time spent trying to understand fear itself, I spent about two years really digging into fear. I came up with the idea that fear cannot be defeated, obviously. So what do we have to do? We have to embrace fear. So after that two years of dedicated research and exploration into the mindset behind Fear Fear, I began to develop what I call my Embrace Fear seminar. Now I've been teaching this for well over 10 years, since I left the Central Intelligence Agency where I was both an instructor and operational. And I began teaching this seminar. Well, a few years ago, I finally decided to put it into a form for you. So if you, you have the inclination, if you have any little bit of fear in your life, or even a lot of fear that seems to impede your ambition or distract your performance, or really overwhelm your ability to operate in a functional way in your life, then what I'm asking you to do is take that leap of faith and go visit davidrutherford.com, look under courses and sign up for your Embrace Fear course. Now in this course there are five modules or I call missions. First is to search for the truth of your fear, right, that's first thing. And within that there are four sub steps that you do there. Now this course is designed to be take place over a four month period where each subset takes one week to focus on, right? And these are journal based entries or activities that we provoke you to do. Do you know? Mission number one is search for the truth of your fear. Mission number two, accept the reality of your fear. Mission number three is to retrain your brain to deal with your fear. Mission number four is to test yourself in your fear every day. And then mission number five, the ultimate mission of all is to be able to live with courage as with fear in your life. Now I spent a tremendous amount of time, time. I've given this course multiple times to multiple organizations and I've worked extensively with individual professional athletes, CEOs, businesses, other operators and people that were struggling with this profound impedement on developing your performance capabilities, which is fear itself. So again, if you want an excellent way to learn to live with that fear, not to only with strength, but also being able to manipulate that perception of it in such a way that it actually drives you forward, it becomes a motivational tool for you to accomplish your dreams to achieve the things you've always wanted to achieve by learning to embrace your fear. So go to davidrutherford.com, look under courses and find the Embrace Fear course. Take five months or five weeks to accomplish this and I promise you at the end of this you will be able to embrace your fear and go after the ultimate dream in your life. Thank you. Booyah.

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[Sarah Adams]

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