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Special Episode: "Verdict with Ted Cruz: Iran Revolution—Why this is Different...Trump is not Obama"

Date: January 20, 2026
Host: Ben Shapiro
Guest: Senator Ted Cruz

Overview

This episode focuses on the unfolding revolution in Iran and analyzes why the ongoing protests and potential regime change are fundamentally different from previous moments of unrest. Senator Ted Cruz joins Ben Shapiro to discuss President Trump’s bold and unprecedented support for Iranian protesters, the historical context of American foreign policy toward Iran, and implications for American and global security. The conversation also compares Trump’s approach to those of Obama and Biden, explores the economic dynamics at play, and examines analogous situations in Venezuela and Cuba.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Significance of the Iranian Uprising

Timestamps: 01:25–04:08

• Millions of Iranians are rising against the Ayatollah and the regime (“the mullahs”) that have ruled for nearly 50 years.

• President Trump made a historic statement calling for a new government in Iran—a move Cruz describes as “enormously consequential.”

  "President Trump has come out unequivocally in support of the protesters. And just this week he came out and said it is time for a new government in Iran. The Ayatollah needs to go."
  —Senator Ted Cruz [01:25]

2. The True Definition of Democracy and Media Spin

Timestamps: 04:09–08:14

• Discussion on the difference between democracy, a republic, and how terms are used (and misused) by media and left-wing commentators.

• Critique of the narrative that democracy is threatened just because left-wing candidates did not win.

• Predictions that global change could match the significance of the fall of the Berlin Wall, should Iran, Venezuela, and Cuba see regime change within six months.

  “Their definition of democracy is not what you actually would get looking in the dictionary... when people use democracy, capital D, they usually mean that the voters get to decide. But that's not how Democrats use it. That's not how the media use it. Instead, what they mean by democracy is, is socialists and Marxists are in power.”
  —Senator Ted Cruz [04:27–05:20]

3. The Case for Regime Change—Without War

Timestamps: 08:14–10:40

• Cruz clarifies his position: supporting regime change in Iran doesn’t mean advocating for another Iraq-style war.

• The argument is that regime change should be driven by the Iranian people, with American support that does not involve boots on the ground.

  "When I say I support regime change, it doesn't mean I wanna send hundreds of thousands of American troops onto the ground in Iran. What it means is it is unequivocally in our interest to see the Ayatollah fall."
  —Senator Ted Cruz [09:15]

4. Deterrence: Trump’s Military Actions and Strong Support

Timestamps: 10:41–12:00

• Review of recent military operations: U.S. actions to take out Iranian nuclear sites and the arrest of Maduro in Venezuela.
• Reference to consequential impacts ("Israel's already taken out their air defenses... In Iran, Israel's already taken out their air defenses. Their air defenses are essentially non-existent now.")
  —Ted Cruz [11:17]
• Trump’s message to the Iranian regime is clear: mass violence against protesters will have real (possibly military) consequences.

5. Contrasting Obama vs. Trump (and Biden) on Iran Policy

Timestamps: 12:01–19:44

• Cruz reads from Peter Thoreau’s analysis in Tablet magazine, contrasting Obama’s passive approach in 2009 with Trump’s active support for regime change.

• Criticism of Obama’s reluctance to support the 2009 Green Movement and his overtures to the Ayatollah.

• The segment highlights Obama's perspective as described in his memoir and the actors in his administration who were sympathetic to Iran.

  "Obama does not name them [his advisers], but his administration would become known for high level sentimentalists towards Iran. Rob Malley, Samantha Power, Philip Gordon..."
  —Senator Ted Cruz quoting Tablet Mag [14:24] "Leaders lead. Like straight up leaders lead. You lead. You're at the front of the ship. You're in charge. It's supposed to be your foreign policy."
  —Ben Shapiro [19:12]

6. Why is This Uprising Different?

Timestamps: 20:17–27:38

• The current protests are driven by broad economic collapse (hyperinflation, crashing currency, closure of Tehran’s markets), not a single triggering event.

• The U.S. and Israel’s decapitation strikes against top Iranian and Hezbollah leaders have deeply shaken the regime.

• The IRGC (Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps) is identified as the regime’s backbone but also a potential threat to the Supreme Leader if a coup becomes more beneficial.

  "The battle space started shaping up six years ago this month under Trump with the US killing of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Quds Force commander Qassam Soleimani..."
  —Senator Ted Cruz quoting Peter Thoreau article [22:10]

7. The Carrot-and-Stick Approach—Accountability for Regime Crimes

Timestamps: 27:38–28:10

• Trump’s clear message to protesters and regime alike: keep track of those who commit atrocities—there will be accountability.

• Suggestion that the threat of future prosecution is a powerful deterrent for military and police repression.

  "Trump is saying to the protesters, keep a list of the names of any soldiers who are committing atrocities because there is going to be accountability."
  —Senator Ted Cruz [27:54]

8. The Role of Oil, Economic Warfare, and National Security

Timestamps: 28:11–35:45

• Discussion with oil executives and White House officials: dropping oil prices weakens adversarial regimes (Iran, Russia, Venezuela) by depriving them of revenue.

• The Trump administration’s policy is to keep oil prices in a “sweet spot,” weakening enemy states without devastating U.S. (especially small and independent) oil producers.

  "The money that they need to survive and to hold on to power and to pay their forces to keep them in power... just completely disappears."
  —Ben Shapiro [28:35]

• Detailed insight into Venezuela’s decaying oil industry and the technical challenges involved in ramping up production; refining heavy crude vs. U.S. light crude.

9. Cuba’s Precarious Situation—Personal Reflections and Geopolitical Shifts

Timestamps: 39:03–44:15

• Cruz shares personal family stories: his father and aunt’s experience under the Batista and Castro regimes reinforces his perspective on communism and dictatorship.

• The collapse of the Cuban economy, now lacking Venezuelan support; Mexico’s oil exports are Cuba’s last financial lifeline.

• The Trump administration’s intent to pressure Mexico to cut off this support, potentially toppling the regime.

  "My hope is the Trump administration is going to lean on Mexico to stop that oil going to Cuba. I think that may be the single most important piece to nudge Cuba beyond the tipping point, much like Iran is."
  —Senator Ted Cruz [43:22]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On media spin:
  "You wanted to listen to commie historians lie and say democracy died the day the American people elected Donald Trump."
  —Ted Cruz [04:27]

• On regime change:
  "Any rational American should be [wanting] to see regime change... Is America better off if the leader of Iran is not a crazy religious nut, an Islamist radical who chants death to America?"
  —Ted Cruz [08:15–08:34]

• On U.S. deterrence:
  "He has made clear to the government of Iran, if you just sit there and begin massacring the protesters, there will be real consequences."
  —Ted Cruz [09:48]

• On Obama’s Iran policy:
  "There is, there's practically not an Islamist on planet Earth that he didn't coddle, embrace and send money to."
  —Ted Cruz [19:44]

• On the oil weapon:
  "Oil and gas and energy are powerful weapons against our enemies and, and to buttress America. But you don't want to slash the price of oil so dramatically that you devastate US producers."
  —Ted Cruz [30:02]

• On Cuba’s regime fragility:
  "Communism is a great way to destroy jobs and make your people incredibly poor. Cuba went from... the number one sugar producer in all of Latin America, and they just destroyed the sugar industry and everything else and brought massive poverty to Cuba."
  —Ted Cruz [41:53]

Important Segment Timestamps

| Time | Segment/Topic | |-------------|---------------------------------------------| | 01:25–04:08 | Iran Uprising and Trump’s Statement | | 04:09–08:14 | Definitions of Democracy and Media Narratives| | 08:14–10:40 | The Case for Regime Change | | 10:41–12:00 | Military Deterrence and Trump’s Role | | 12:01–19:44 | Obama vs. Trump on Iran; Policy Analysis | | 20:17–27:38 | Why This Uprising is Different | | 27:38–28:10 | Trump’s Message to Protesters—Accountability| | 28:11–35:45 | Oil Politics and National Security | | 39:03–44:15 | Cuba: Regime Instability and U.S. Leverage |

Tone and Style

The conversation is lively, with both Cruz and Shapiro openly critical of left-wing leaders and policies, using both biting humor (“What were you doing watching CBS?” [04:08]) and dire warnings about geopolitical stakes. Personal stories and direct quotations from contemporaneous analysis provide both depth and context.

Conclusion

This episode provides a sweeping analysis of the geopolitical earthquake occurring in 2026 as Iran, Venezuela, and Cuba experience simultaneous instability. It highlights the importance of American leadership, especially the robust approach adopted by the Trump administration compared to previous ones, the powerful impact of economic and military pressure, and the real potential for democratization in some of the world’s most oppressive regimes. The episode is both a call to maintain pressure on adversaries and a glimpse of cautious optimism for a freer global order.