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Verdict with Ted Cruz: Islamist Terrorists Tipping Point in Iran & Netflix Trying to Buy Warner Brothers
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Ben Ferguson
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Ben Ferguson
Welcome. It is Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz. Ben Ferguson with you. Senator, we've got a lot to discuss including hey, we've Got a government that's all the way back open again. Congratulations on that. That's big news, right? You predicted it. It was going to be quick. It we've moved on and we're back to the normal insanity of Washington, D.C. is that a fair way of putting it?
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Senator Ted Cruz
Look, that's exactly right. I will say in Monday's pod, I said, in fact, the title of Monday's pod was a very Short government shutdown. I predicted the House would come back, they would reopen the government. That's exactly what happened. So now the Democrats did not have the stomach for a long, prolonged fight on government shutdown. So it didn't happen. What we're gonna talk about today is national security, how we keep this country safe. We're gonna talk about a terrorist organization in Africa called the Polisario Front, which is incredibly dangerous. It is funded by Iran. And we're going to break down how I'm pressing the Trump administration to take on the Polisario Front directly. We're also going to talk about Iran. We have a moment in time that I think is a unique moment in history, and we need to act right now. The ayatollah and the mullahs are teetering on the edge. We have an opportunity to remove a regime that wants to kill Americans. And I think we should take that opportunity right now. And finally, we're going to talk about a hearing that happened in the Senate Judiciary Committee this week that focused on the proposed merger between Netflix and Warner Brothers. I will say there were fireworks at the hearing. I've got real concerns about the merger. We're going to break it all down for you today.
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Senator Ted Cruz
Well, listen, I am deeply engaged in fighting Islamist terrorist organizations all across the world. And there are serious, very dangerous Islamist organizations. One of the things that I have a responsibility for doing. I'm the chairman of the Africa Subcommittee of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. So I focus a lot on Africa. This is a new thing I just started a year ago focusing on Africa. And so I've been diving in and Africa is a major battleground. It's a major battleground between China and the United States. It's a major battleground between Russia and the United States. And it's also a major front for terrorism and radical Islamic terrorism. So in my course on focusing on Africa, I focused on Nigeria and the fact that Nigeria is killing Christians. It is the single most dangerous place on the face of the planet to be a Christian. Over 50,000 Christians have been murdered in Nigeria. It is the single place on planet Earth where the most Christians have been murdered. I'VE been leaning in. I called on the Trump administration to designate Nigeria as a country of particular concern, and President Trump did so. And so the president is fighting to protect Christians in Nigeria. It is Islamists in Nigeria, particularly Boko Haram, but it's other Islamists as well that are murdering Christians. Well, there's also a challenge with a group called the Polisario Front. And let me give you a little bit of the history of the Polisario Front. The Polisario Front is a separatist militant group founded in 1973 that is seeking independence for Western Sahara, a territory that is claimed by Morocco for decades. The best way to understand it was as a Cold War relic, analogous to the Palestinian Liberation Front, the plo, but it was in West Africa, and there's still a degree to which that framework is accurate. The Polisario Front is backed by Algeria. It operates from refugee camps in Tindouf, and it declared an independent country called the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic in 1976, about 20 to 30% of the disputed territory. It is a darling of the international left and the United nations. And the group has continued its insurgency against Morocco. The critical dynamic is that Iran has begun pouring resources into the group. They want to make the Polisario Front into the Houthis of West Africa. The Iranians have been providing money and weapons and directions. In June of last year, Joe Wilson in Congress introduced the Polisario Front Designation act of 2025, which would designate the group as a foreign terrorist organization. I am leading the fight in the Senate to designate the Polisario Front as a terrorist organization. And this week we had a hearing in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee where two career officials from the State Department were testifying about Africa, were testifying about the Middle East. And I asked them about the Polis area front. And I got to say their answers. Let me just give a really kind word. They were terrible. They were. They were unbelievably bad.
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Ben Ferguson
When you say terrible, explain what you mean by that.
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Senator Ted Cruz
I believe both witnesses were instructed do not say a negative word about the Polisario Front. But I'll tell you what, rather than me describe the questioning, just give a listen to the back and forth I had with two senior career officials from the State Department. Mr. Palladino, thank you for being here and testifying this afternoon. I'd like to ask you about the specifics of your testimony and specifically two things you said in your written testimony. Back to back. You said that, quote, Algeria's counterterrorism successes also make It a critical pillar of stability in the region. Then in the very next paragraph, you said, again I'm quoting, quote, we look to North African countries to provide critical support to ensuring terrorist activity in the Sahel does not spread. Now, I'm assuming that that somewhat opaque reference to terrorist activity in the Sahel is about the Polisario Front, though you didn't name the group. Iran is trying to turn the Polisario Front into the Houthis for West Africa, a proxy force capable of waging war to threaten regional stability and pressure US Partners whenever Iran wants leverage. The Polisario Front works with Iranian terrorist groups. It takes drones from the irgc, it moves weapons and resources around the region, including to jihadists and much more. I believe they should be designated as a terrorist group, and I've drafted a bill to do so if there is no change in their behavior. Before getting to any other questions, is that what you meant by, quote, terrorist activity in the Sahel? Were you talking about the Polisario Front?
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State Department Official 1
It's an important question, Senator. Thank you. What I was referring to, what I would say in regards to the Polisario is President Trump has made clear his desire to achieve a lasting resolution to the problem in the Western Sahara, to that dispute. And as part of that American policy currently is we are engaging all parties, and we're going to continue to pursue that for a lasting resolution. And we seek that because if we can get to that resolution, that is going to be our best shot at advancing peace and security, which will prevent further terrorist activity. Now, you mentioned designation, Senator, and I would just add we're constantly assessing threats to the American homeland, and we have a process for that. It's something that we. We will continue to look at, and as the secretary said, if we proceed, that will be grounded in the process and the evidence and the law. Thank you, Senator.
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Senator Ted Cruz
So I see that the opacity I referenced was not accidental, but was, in fact, deliberate, because in the full course of that answer, there was no direct indication that, yes, the terrorist activity in the Sahel is coming from the Polisario Front, and that is a significant blind spot in our counterterrorism posture. Do you assess right now that the Polisario Front poses a threat to US Interest in any sense, and if so, in what sense, Senator?
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State Department Official 1
Thank you, Senator. We're actively engaging all parties in the Western Sahara dispute and the interests of achieving a lasting and durable piece. That's the policy of the president. And we're seeking more time to continue to find a way to find common ground and to come to an agreement to stabilize the situation and allow there to be prosperity to follow based upon stability.
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Senator Ted Cruz
Well, I will say that answer was positively Shakespearean. It was full of sound and fury and yet signifying nothing. And by the way, I will say, in terms of the President, I feel confident I've spent a lot more time with the president than you have, and he does not have any difficulty at all calling terrorists what they are. Mr. Borker, let's. Let's see if we do any better with you. Iran has trained fighters from the Polisario Front, and Hezbollah has provided them with weapons. In your written testimony, you said that your bureau is working with North African countries to counter the threat from Iran and its proxies. And you specifically talked about groups tied to the IRGC and Hezbollah. You likewise did not specifically mention the Polisario Front. First of all, same question to you. When you talk about the threat posed to North African countries by Iran and its proxies, does that include the Polisario Front? Senator, thank you for that question. We continue to monitor activities throughout North Africa. We continue to see if the IRGC and Hezbollah are their activities in that region and globally. And as we look at these activities, we will work with our partner countries in order to counter those threats and where possible, designate or encourage those countries to designate the irgc, Hezbollah and those terrorist groups. So I have to say, it seems to me you turned to your colleague and said, hold my beer. It certainly. Let me just ask a final question to both of you. Were both of you instructed in this testimony not to say anything negative about the Polisario Front? Because it sure seems like you were, Senator.
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State Department Official 1
I'm just trying to explain what we're trying to do policy wise.
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Senator Ted Cruz
That's a yes or no question. Where you.
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State Department Official 1
I received no instructions to that effects, Senator.
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Senator Ted Cruz
Senator, I received no instructions to those effects either. So you just decided to go that. Go that. Down that road for the heck of it. Okay. Thank you.
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Ben Ferguson
All right, so I'm going to start with the first question here, Senator. How the hell do those guys get their job and how do they get to keep them if that's what they do? I just got to know, like, that's the best job I've ever seen.
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Senator Ted Cruz
Yeah. Look, they were instructed to say nothing about the Polisaria Front.
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Ben Ferguson
And when you say they like who sits down with them before and says, don't say anything about this terrorist group?
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Senator Ted Cruz
So both of those guys are career State Department employees. So they would have said.
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Ben Ferguson
So this is like the Deep state, as I like to call it.
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Senator Ted Cruz
Yeah, they would have submitted their testimony for approval, and they may well have had portions where they say something about the Polisario Front. They're talking about terrorists, and that's who they're talking about. They're just not saying it's. And listen, the administration is trying to negotiate a big peace deal in Africa. And so right now, there are folks in the administration who are trying to negotiate a deal in Western Africa. And right now, one of the consequences of that is that they're reluctant to call out the Polisario Front. I think the Polisario Front is really dangerous. They're funded by Iran.
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State Department Official 1
They're.
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Senator Ted Cruz
And so I'm working to call out people who are enemies of America and to impose real cost and consequences on those jihadists that are enemies of America.
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Ben Ferguson
You know, it really is incredible that they're this cautious on this. And then you look at where we are in the world. Which brings me to what's going on in Iran. There's a big meeting on Friday with the Trump administration. There's a lot of fanfare around it. While we're getting ready for this conversation, Iran does what Iran does, right? Which is usually something. Do something really stupid. And they decide to fly a drone at one of our ships. That was a bad idea. So let's bring everybody up to speed on that as well.
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Senator Ted Cruz
So we shot the drone down. They flew a drone at one of our aircraft carriers. We shot it down because it was a hostile threat. It was an unmanned drone. Listen, there is a negotiation session scheduled for Friday. I think the chances of anything positive or productive coming from that session are 0.0%. I think the Iranian. The Iranian regime, they're sending back channel messages to the administration, and they're saying, hey, we're willing to do another Obama Iran nuclear deal. Isn't that a great idea, by the way?
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Ben Ferguson
It was a great deal for them. They got literally, like, cash and bills that are unmarked. Like, how much better does it get than that that you then can give to terrorists to then blow up people?
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Senator Ted Cruz
Listen, they got $1.7 billion in cash on pallets flown in by Barack Obama. They got over $100 billion.
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Ben Ferguson
I just want you to understand what you just said, Senator, because it's so frustrating. This is not Saturday Night Live literally what the Obama administration did. Like over a billion, 1.7 billion of cash on pallets flown with your tax dollars to Iran.
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Senator Ted Cruz
And by the way, that was tiny compared to the more than 100 billion billion that Joe biden flowed into Iran and they use that. Iran provides more than 90% of the funding for Hamas, more than 90% of the funding for Hezbollah. They use that to stage October 7th. They use that to wage war on the United States. They use that to kill American servicemen and women. We have right now an historic opportunity and what I am urging the President don't miss this. So I think the Iranians are trying to distract the administration. They're trying to say, hey, let's negotiate a deal. And actually what Iran wants to do is spend three years negotiating a deal where they do nothing and they try to rebuild their nuclear program.
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Ben Ferguson
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Ben Ferguson
Got better Is some of this just stalling to try to get their own country under control by saying, yes, hey, we all have a kumbayan Iran that we hate, the big Satan, right? The US and so if they can figure out a way for America to hit them, then I think that actually brings people together is what they're hoping in Iran to say. Okay, maybe we do need to stand up against America.
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Senator Ted Cruz
And by the way, that phrase you use, the Big Satan? That's not an accidental phrase. The Ayatollah refers to Israel as the Little Satan and refers to America as the Big Satan, the Great Satan. They are waging war on us and their objective is right now to talk, to try to prevent being toppled. Look, millions of Iranians have stood up and tens of thousands have been killed. It's not clear what the estimate is. The estimates have ranged anywhere from 10,000 Iranian protesters killed to as many as 40,000. The regime is sitting there literally machine gunning these protesters and murdering them. I've called very publicly for the Trump administration to arm the protesters. Listen, I want to see the Iranian regime toppled, but not by America. I want to see them toppled by the people of Iran. And, and if they're just being gunned down like fish in a barrel, they're not able to do so. And so I think we ought to be providing weapons. And I'm urging the president, don't be distracted. The Iranian regime is trying to say, let's negotiate another deal like Obama. You go back to 2009. 2009 was the green Revolution. There were again Iranians standing up and Barack Obama made a decision to side with the ayatollah and abandon the protesters. Now, President Trump has said he's not going to do that. He's told the people of Iran, we are with you, and this is the moment of time. I'm urging the president, do not miss this moment of time. If this regime falls, if the mullahs who hate America and want to murder Americans are out of power, and if we have instead a freely elected regime. Look, Iran for decades was secular. It was pro American. That would be the single biggest improvement in national security we've seen in decades.
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Ben Ferguson
Yeah, we've talked about this a lot. But let's reset for people just to understand. Not only do we have what's happened in Venezuela, and there was a lot of Democrats that thought it was going to just turn into instant chaos and anarchy there in Venezuela. So far, that's not been the case. That is as they're trying to work through what next steps look like. But that's good for the people in Venezuela who've been suffering for so long. And yet there was a lot of people, I think they were hoping that Donald Trump would have to own some sort of anarchy and civil war in the streets and just, you know, all sorts of craziness there. You then look at Cuba, and the president's been pretty clear about that. We also are seeing that they're getting in serious trouble now with basic things like oil and gas and trying to hold shoestring their country together because they've lost a lot of what they were getting back and forth with Venezuela, they're teetering right now. I think it's a fair assessment on it. Just with their economy, inflation, the list goes on and on. You combine that with Iran, and what we could witness is all three of these happen very quickly, moving in the right direction for all of us.
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Senator Ted Cruz
Look, we have a very real potential in the next six months of seeing the regimes in Venezuela, Cuba and Iran all fall. And there are a thousand ways this could go wrong. There could be bad things that happen. So I'm not being Pollyannish, but if we see free and fair elections in Cuba, Venezuela and Iran, and if they elect leaders, and I think there's a real possibility of this, who embrace freedom and want to be friends with America, that would be, without exaggeration, the greatest geopolitical shift since the fall of the Berlin Wall, since we won the Cold War without firing a shot, that is what has been teed up by Donald Trump being a strong commander in chief. And so with Iran I'm urging the President and the administration, do not miss this moment because getting out of power, a theocratic lunatic who wants to murder us, that is unambiguously good for America.
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Ben Ferguson
Yeah. It's also interesting, and this is another headline that just came from Fox. And just to put it in perspective, I think, of what Iran's leadership's trying to do to bait America into some sort of military conflict so they can try to rally their country. You had Iranian gunboats that unsuccessfully. That's the key word here. And I'm reading this headline from Fox. Attempted to board US Oil tanker as Trump builds military presence. The six armed Iranian vessels attempted to board the tanker before a US Navy ship escorted it to safety. That that is how desperate the Iranian regime is right now to try to do something different.
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Senator Ted Cruz
And listen, this is why I'm calling for the administration to arm the protesters. You know, remember back to Tiananmen Square? Tiananmen Square, you had a massive uprising in China. And I gotta admit, Ben, I remember the NRA ran full page ads in newspapers all over the country. They ran it in six newspapers. They ran it in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post. Yeah. The Chicago Tribune, the LA Times and USA Today. The full page ad, it was a gigantic picture of Tiananmen Square. Just people everywhere. And I remember the words the NRA put in that ad. They said, last week, over 1 million people rose up in protest in Tiananmen Square. And then they asked a simple question. Imagine what would have happened if they had had guns.
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State Department Official 1
Yeah.
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Senator Ted Cruz
Now that's more than 30 years ago. And I still remember that ad because I remember looking at it going, wow, if a million people with guns rise up, that's not a protest, that's a revolution. The Chinese Communist government falls. If a million people with guns rise up. Right now, the Iranian people are risking their lives. But if you're standing there holding a spatula and an IRGC soldier is firing a machine gun at you, you're going to die.
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Ben Ferguson
Yeah.
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Senator Ted Cruz
And so the only way that protest succeeds is if they're able to fight back. And if suddenly the IRG soldier says, crap, if I shoot at you, you're going to shoot back and I'm going to die. That's how you topple the regime. And I think we have an extraordinary moment in time right now.
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Ben Ferguson
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Senator Ted Cruz
Yeah, this is a massive merger. It's $83 billion and I'm deeply concerned about it. And so we had a hearing this week in the Senate Judiciary Committee with the CEO of Netflix and a senior executive from Warner Brothers. Give a listen to the questioning that I asked them. I and many others on this committee have been concerned for a long time about censorship, censorship in the media and censorship in Hollywood, there already seems to be only one acceptable political view. Actually, I want to ask, did either we all watch the Grammys this week?
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State Department Official 2
I did not.
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Ben Ferguson
Just the tail end of it.
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Senator Ted Cruz
One simple question. Are we right now on stolen land? I have no idea the history of.
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Ben Ferguson
This land, of this where we're sitting today.
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State Department Official 2
Nor do I, Senator.
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Senator Ted Cruz
So that speaks volumes that neither of you are willing to say, hell no, we're not on stolen land. And I will say at the Grammys, when you see an entertainer say, nobody is illegal while we're on stolen land, and then you see entertainers leap to their feet clapping so excitedly at the notion that America's fundamentally illegitimate, it starts to convey that the entertainment world is deeply corrupt. And I will point out that same singer who says no one is illegal on stolen land promptly went back to her $14 million mansion and somehow that stolen land she wasn't concerned about. Just the United States of America. Look, Netflix has long been a left wing company. Your founder, Reed Hastings, is one of the biggest Democrat donors in the country, including giving millions recently to the massive gerrymander in California, making it one of the most gerrymandered states in the union. Because your founder desperately wants a Democrat House of Representatives. Susan Rice from the Obama White House is on your board of directors. You guys gave $50 million to the Obamas, as far as I can tell, to produce no discernible content whatsoever. How would you tell a Texan sitting at home to feel comfortable? CNN is already a dumpster fire. There's nothing resembling objectivity. There's nothing resembling journalism anymore. How are people at home? How should they feel even remotely confident that if this merger happens, the combined entity would not simply be a propaganda outlet pushing one particular political view with much greater market power than you have now?
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Ben Ferguson
Well, sir, we would fail.
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State Department Official 2
We would fail pushing apolitical view or propaganda. We. We deliver entertainment to consumers. Our consumers see our business pretty much the way they see America. About 40% conservative, about 40% liberal, about 20% don't know. And they what do we. But when we turn on, when they turn on tv, they're tuned in to be entertained.
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Ben Ferguson
And if we fail to entertain them.
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State Department Official 2
By trying to promote propaganda or something, or something, anything other than Entertainment, we fail.
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Senator Ted Cruz
Mr. Campbell, same question to you.
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State Department Official 2
We have a very broad range of content across not only HBO Max, but all of our platforms that we need to appeal to all audiences. Our content ranges from hard knocks from the NFL to shows like Deadliest Catch and Gold Rush. It's a Very broad collection of programming that represents broad interests across America.
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Senator Ted Cruz
You have a wide range of programming on hbo. Name one program that is designed to appeal to conservatives.
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State Department Official 2
We don't design our programming to appeal.
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Senator Ted Cruz
I can think of a lot that are designed to go to liberals. Name one.
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State Department Official 2
None of our shows are designed to go to any political group. They're designed to appeal to.
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Senator Ted Cruz
To really. John Oliver is not designed to appeal to a certain group.
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State Department Official 2
It's a. It's a program that. For which there.
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Senator Ted Cruz
You just said none of your program is. Look, let me ask you, do you think CNN is fair and balanced?
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State Department Official 2
I do believe CNN is a fair.
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Senator Ted Cruz
So when CNN showed riots and fires behind them and you put a chiron. Mostly peaceful but fiery protest, was that journalism?
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State Department Official 2
Sir, I'm not involved with cnn and in fact they're not part of this transaction. But they have an independent editorial board. They have independent news gathering. We don't direct.
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Senator Ted Cruz
They're only. They have no independence other than hating Donald Trump, which is why their viewership numbers have plummeted because they don't actually report news. They instead engage in very biased propaganda. And I will say the truest word you said a minute ago is when you said with respect to Mr. Sarandos, well, he and I see the world in very much the same way. That is exactly the problem, that in the world of journalism, it should not be propaganda. In the world of entertainment, there is a reason why entertainers who are even slightly right of center get blackballed in Hollywood, writers get blackballed in Hollywood, actors get blackballed in Hollywood. And I've heard nothing today to give me any confidence that this merger would do anything other than make that problem much, much worse.
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Ben Ferguson
Sir, this is one of those subjects. It's the reason why I decided to write an op ed because it does matter. When companies get big and they have as much influence as Paramount does or as Netflix does, it is concerning that the propaganda as you described that can be put out, that can fundamentally shape this country. It's why invoked Ronald Reagan, the op ed that I wrote@fox news.com and there's also the concern of foreign influence coming in. I don't want American movies being paid for.24 billion in middle east funding scares the hell out of me. Because what are they going to say you can and can't do? I go back to Top Gun Maverick. There was a simple patch, a Taiwan patch on his jacket, and they banned that movie from China, period, Full stop. Well, if that money's coming in, what else could not be made because of that. That worries me as well.
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Senator Ted Cruz
Yeah, look, I'm very worried about woke Hollywood. It has gone so leftist. It is engaged in so much indoctrin. It is trying to silence views that are pro America. Silence views that are conservative, silence views that are pro freedom. And listen, this merger, it's not going to go through unless the Department of Justice signs off on it. And the Department of Justice has to approve the merger and say that it does not create a monopoly, it does not increase monopoly power. I think there are very real concerns. This hearing was the beginning of the scrutiny for it. I expect to see more scrutiny, more questions asked about this massive merger. But I don't want to see even bigger market power pushing a pro Democrat, pro leftist, anti American agenda. And I'm very concerned that's what's happening right now.
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Ben Ferguson
Final question on this. When do the consumers find out what happens here? How long until we get an answer of who gets to buy what?
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Senator Ted Cruz
Yeah, typically this process takes months to years and so the Department of Justice has to assess whether this is allowed to go forward. The FCC may well engage as well in signing off on this. I'm the chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee. I expect to be quite engaged in this process. So it will take some time. At a minimum it's several months. It could be upwards of a year. And the consequence if this merger happens is really significant for news and it's really significant for entertainment. And by the way, I think entertainment in many ways is more important than news. We get so much of what we understand about the world from entertainment allowing a massive left wing monopoly. Listen, I asked these guys, are we on stolen land? Neither one of them could say no. They're not willing to say America is legitimate. No, this is not stolen land. That's how woke and lefty and disconnected these people are. And they want to have even more power over the entertainment that you're allowed to consume in your home.
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Ben Ferguson
It's going to be interesting. We're going to be following it here, we can promise you that. And, and don't forget we do the show Monday, Wednesday, Friday, hit that subscribe or auto download button wherever you get your podcasts and Senator Cruz and I will see you back here in a couple of days. Can you buy real bitcoin in your retirement account? If not, it's time to upgrade to bitcoin. Ira. You can buy and sell bitcoin with major tax advantages. Visit bitcoin ira.comBen to learn more.
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