Weekly Review With Clay and Buck H1 - Jennifer Welch is Awful

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Weekly Review With Clay and Buck H1 – Jennifer Welch is Awful
Date: December 13, 2025
Host: Clay Travis & Buck Sexton
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show (iHeartPodcasts)

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on cultural and political debates swirling around masculinity, gender roles, and the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination. Clay and Buck break down viral left-wing commentary, particularly targeting progressive podcaster Jennifer Welch’s harsh attacks on Erica Kirk, widow of Charlie Kirk. The hosts analyze wider trends in Democratic politics—focusing on masculinity, cancel culture, and perceived cultural missteps—while mixing pointed critique with humor. The episode also explores issues of declining birth rates, gender expectations, and virality of “toxic” leftist influencers.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Masculinity, Gender Roles, and the Left’s “Disconnect”

• Tim Walz’s Masculinity Debate (05:55–08:00)

  • Clay and Buck react to resurfaced comments from Minnesota Governor Tim Walz claiming Republican criticism stems from being “intimidated by his masculinity.”

  • Clay satirizes Walz, arguing Democrats misunderstand what appeals to men and manufacture inauthentic masculine personas for their candidates.

    • Quote – Clay Travis (07:01):
      “Tim Walz is a lesbian woman's idea of a man that will appeal to men. … They end up picking guys like Tim Walz who they think … ‘Oh, see, this is a normal guy’ and he's not a normal guy. Because normal guys don't think that dudes with penises should be in women's locker rooms …”

  • Buck critiques the Democratic Party for making authentic masculinity incompatible with public support for party orthodoxy, especially regarding transgender issues.

    • Quote – Buck Sexton (08:30):
      “If you're going to be somebody who is on board with the Democrat agenda in public, you're going to have to take positions that normal masculine men find preposterous, find demeaning, find abhorrent.”

• Toxic Masculinity & the Erosion of Gender Roles (10:01–15:36)

  • The hosts lament that positive aspects of traditional masculinity are being stigmatized.

    • Buck recalls a Bill Maher appearance where he challenged the left’s view:
      • Quote – Buck Sexton (10:01):
        “You can't say masculinity is courage because then feminists and left wingers go, ‘Well, what about courageous women?’ … So nothing is allowed to be specifically masculine that is good. Normal guys see that. They think that's absurd.”

  • Clay ties these cultural trends to declining birthrates and societal instability, warning that chasing “career at the expense of having children” leads to regret.

    • Quote – Clay Travis (14:12):
      “It's actually good to get married in your 20s if you're a girl. It's actually good to have children in your twenties if you are female. … But this idea men are going to get married at 32 or 33 or 45 or 50 or whatever it is. … You don't know, I thought I was just being super nice.”

  • The hosts defend traditional gender roles as “a very good thing,” with Buck offering a domestic anecdote illustrating natural differences.

    • Quote – Buck Sexton (14:58):
      “At nighttime duty, speed calls out for mama... If something goes crash, bang... dad grabs his Glock 19 and goes to check it out.”

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2. Viral Critique: Jennifer Welch’s Attack on Erica Kirk

• Set-Up (25:41):

  • Clay brings up a string of recent, highly vitriolic attacks—especially one by left-wing podcaster Jennifer Welch—leveled against Erica Kirk, the widow of Charlie Kirk, who was assassinated 90 days prior.
  • Notably, Senator John Fetterman, a Democrat, called out the attacks as “gross and dehumanizing”—an unusual bipartisan defense.

• Welch’s Diatribe (audio clip at 25:42):

  • Welch accuses Erica Kirk of being a “grifter” and makes broader attacks on her character, faith, and late husband:
    • Quote – Jennifer Welch (25:42):
      “She is a grifter. And just look at the costume changes, look at the affect... This woman should be kicked to the curb, she is an absolute grifter, just like Donald Trump and just like her unrepentant, racist, homophobic husband was.”

• Clay and Buck’s Analysis (26:37–30:06)

  • Buck: Welch represents “modern Democrat Party leftism, like built in a laboratory … the ultimate Democrat Female in 2025, going into 2026.”

    • Quote – Buck Sexton (26:37):
      “This absolutely nasty, ignorant, heinous woman is really the perfect Democrat. Yes, she's actually the distillation. She is purity.”

  • Clay calls Welch’s logic “the opposite of grifting,” arguing Erica Kirk’s advocacy is selfless, not opportunistic:

    • Quote – Clay Travis (28:00):
      “Advocating on behalf of your spouse who can no longer advocate for himself is one of the great aspects of marriage... Erica Kirk, to me, is trying to ... ensure that her husband did not die in vain...”

  • Both denounce the left-wing ecosystem that amplifies such attacks and question why more on the right resist strongly.

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3. The Rise of Toxic and Superficial Online Influencers

• Buck and Clay comment on the virality and superficiality of new “top of the charts” left-leaning female influencers and some non-political creators—suggesting a degradation in quality, intelligence, and moral fiber of online discourse.

  • Buck Sexton (31:10):
    “This woman has sold millions of books. She knows nothing. She knows nothing. I do not understand. She's a huge, huge podcast … this whole like ‘let them’ theory, this is like… this is brain damage. This is idiocy.”

• They note a disturbing “preachy” echo chamber mainly targeting and influencing left-wing women.

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4. Defending Widows and Legacies—What Would You Do?

• Buck expresses shock that even people close to Charlie Kirk are not vocally defending his widow against these attacks:

  • Buck Sexton (35:13):
    “Your buddy got taken out and there's lunacy all over the place. And this woman is going after Charlie's widow. And you're not going to… take that up? You're not going to say anything?”

• Clay adds that the scale of hatred and gloating over Kirk’s death (and now targeting his widow) among some left-wing circles shocks him, stressing that reciprocity on the right would be unthinkable.

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5. Lighter Interludes & Listener Engagement

• Banter about Christmas music, Christmas gifts, and masculinity as reflected in preferences for handguns and holiday rituals.

  • Clay Travis (43:08):
    “Tell my wife all the time, living with me every day is a gift. Why would I need to give you an additional one?”

• Their signature jocular tone and direct rapport with listeners, including reading emails and playing listener messages, maintain a conversational and accessible atmosphere.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote/Paraphrase | |-----------|------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 07:01 | Clay Travis | “Tim Walz is a lesbian woman's idea of a man that will appeal to men…” | | 08:30 | Buck Sexton | “If you’re going to be somebody who is on board with the Democrat agenda….” | | 10:01 | Buck Sexton | “You can’t say masculinity is courage, because then feminists…” | | 14:12 | Clay Travis | “It's actually good to get married in your 20s if you're a girl…” | | 14:58 | Buck Sexton | “At nighttime duty, speed calls out for mama… dad grabs his Glock 19…” | | 25:42 | Jennifer Welch | “She is a grifter… this woman should be kicked to the curb…” | | 26:37 | Buck Sexton | “This absolutely nasty, ignorant, heinous woman is really the perfect Democrat.”| | 28:00 | Clay Travis | “Advocating on behalf of your spouse… is one of the great aspects of marriage...”| | 31:10 | Buck Sexton | “This woman has sold millions of books. She knows nothing. She knows nothing…”| | 35:13 | Buck Sexton | “Your buddy got taken out and there's lunacy… And you're not going to take that up?”| | 43:08 | Clay Travis | “Tell my wife all the time, living with me every day is a gift…” |

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Memorable Moments

• Mockery of Tim Walz’s “performative masculinity” and the Democrats’ inability to connect with “normal dudes.”
• Sharp counterattack on Jennifer Welch’s smear of Erica Kirk, reinforcing the line between robust advocacy and what they see as slanderous, opportunistic activism.
• Playful, irreverent banter about gender roles in the home, holiday customs, and interactions with listeners—softening the heavy political topics with their familiar wit.

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Conclusion

In this episode, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dissect what they see as the American left’s drift into “toxic” cultural politics—from confused gender roles and contrived masculinity to the rise of abrasive, agenda-driven influencers like Jennifer Welch. The show’s spine is a defense of traditional gender norms, family structure, and honoring the legacies of those who are lost—contrasting what they view as self-serving activism from the opposing side. The tone is punchy, partisan, and sprinkled with humor, offering regulars a sense of camaraderie and those new to the show a comprehensive window into their brand of cultural critique.

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Transcript

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[Buck Sexton]

The.

[Clay Travis]

There are reports that there was a deluge of fake support motivated by Republican activists who were praying that she would think it was real and decide to enter the race. We will have some fun with that. Susie Wiles, President Trump's chief of staff, weighing in as the President hit the road in Pennsylvania and began to make the case for why you should support his agenda in 2026 and why you should vote for Republicans. Uh, we will discuss that. We finally had a super powerful positive women's athlete, in fact the number one tennis player in the world. I might mispronounce her name because I will confess that I am not a huge woman's. Is it Ariana Sabalenka? Did I get that right? Okay. She has absolutely teed off on the idea she's the world's number one tennis player. She is absolutely teed off on the idea that there should be any men involved in women's athletics at all. And that sounds something that is very common sense. But I, I think she probably is. Has become the most famous women's athlete, certainly the most famous current women's athlete to have spoken out about this. She is the world's number one tennis player. We may talk about that, but I thought we could have some fun. This has gone viral. It was out for a little while.

[Buck Sexton]

Did I pronounce one quick thing from the tennis world? I thought so. Interesting. Of the top 10 female highest paid athletes in the world, this was just. I saw this in the last week and I thought of you, Mr. Sports.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

I think eight of them are female tennis players. Which tells you something about the global popularity of women's tennis. It's actually a great sport if you're, if you're a high level men's tennis player. Watching the women is actually better for you than because you're never going to serve like those guys. But you can learn more from the pace of women's professional tennis.

[Clay Travis]

Anyway, I also, by the way, not that I'm very good at tennis at all. I would rather watch a three set tennis match at most than a five set tennis match just because I don't want to watch a Four hour sporting event if I don't have to. So I actually prefer that they get done in in three sets. But so we will talk a little bit about that. Buck, remember, 103 mile an hour serve. He doesn't need to watch women's tennis players.

[Buck Sexton]

You know what I'm saying?

[Clay Travis]

He has such a one to three, baby.

[Buck Sexton]

The women serve like 120. But we don't have to talk about that right now. It's okay.

[Clay Travis]

Speaking of masculine, Tim Walls, this has gone viral in the last couple of days. Evidently, Tim Walls was on with, with Gavin Newsom on that podcast that Gavin Newsom does. And he decided to weigh in on masculinity. And he said that the reason why he gets so much criticism from Republicans is because they are intimidated by his masculinity. This is real. Now, to be fair, this was from March, but this is Tim Walls talking about what a man he is.

[Buck Sexton]

Listen, this notion of toxicity and masculinity.

[Clay Travis]

Needs to be separated. And I think it's been conflated and I think we're gonna have to work on that a little bit. And I think there's. Look, there is a crisis. Some of us scare them. I think I scare them a little bit. Why they spend so much time on. No, I'm serious. Because I can fix a truck. They know I'm not bullshit on this.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm not putting this in people's grill.

[Clay Travis]

I don't know if my identity is not hunting. My identity is not football coaching. My identity is not, you know, a.

[Buck Sexton]

Beard in a truck.

[Clay Travis]

This is. Again, I've said this before, but I think, I think I wrote it in my book. Tim Walls is a lesbian woman's idea of a man that will appeal to men. And Democrats are aware that they have an issue with male voters. But Buck, they lack the ability to just be normal dudes to such an extent that they end up picking guys like Tim Walls who they think we made fun of this for all last year, but they put him in a Carhartt and they put him in boots and they gave him a gun and they had him walk around and they were like, oh, see, this is a normal guy and he's not a normal guy. Because normal guys don't think that dudes with penises should be in women's locker rooms. And they don't believe that women are actually men and they don't understand even how to talk to men.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, this is exactly the point though. To be in good standing with the Democrat party, you have to now People say, well, what about, like, there are a lot of, you know, masculine, particularly, like masculine black men who are Democrats and they're. Yeah, they don't talk about the trans issue publicly.

[Clay Travis]

They also don't actually pay attention to what Democrats say today. They're sort of vestigial Democrats because from the 90s and the early 2000s, but not for modern.

[Buck Sexton]

My point here is, is like, you know.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

Like, there are a lot of, like, you know, NBA players who I'm sure, like, came out for Kamala and were big, you know, Democrat voters. They're not big on the trans issue, though.

[Clay Travis]

Right.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, you know, you start to break down the Democrat coalition very quickly and see that if you're going to be somebody who is on board with the Democrat agenda in public, you're going to have to take positions that normal masculine men find preposterous, find demeaning, find abhorrent. Right? A whole range of things. Like a normal man, he hears, hey, I think that 12 year olds should start to get hormones because they come home from school one day and say, I'm not a boy, I'm actually a girl. A normal dad who's like a dad. Dad hears that and goes, you're 12 years old. This is insane what's going on here. The science behind this is completely. I mean, science actually shows it's a horrible idea. But put that aside. Normal men hear that. They say this. Normal men hear things like toxic masculinity and inherently cringe because they go, really? Toxic masculinity is actually just undermining masculinity because what you're doing is setting up a paradigm where nothing can be good that is masculine. The only things that are actually singular to masculinity are bad things. Right? Because, Clay, if I say, what's good? Masculinity, you saw, this was the probably the best known exchange I had on that Bill Maher appearance, which, by the way, the reason I've mentioned a few times is because it was fun. I got to go on a Democrat show in front of a Democrat audience and basically spike the football before Trump's election on all of this. And everything was true and now they've had to admit it.

[Clay Travis]

All right?

[Buck Sexton]

So it was like a particular moment, but I said, so you can't say masculinity is courage, because then feminists and, you know, left wingers go, well, what about courageous women? And really, it's like, so nothing is allowed to be specifically masculine. That is good. Normal guys see that. They think that's Absurd. You go down this list of stuff, by the way. Masculine men don't think that criminals should be able to hurt people, women, children, old people, and get away with it. Masculine men hear that and they're like, I want to go kick someone's ass. And you know, if you're a Democrat, if you're a Democrat, you have to do the whole like, well, maybe the 70th time you got arrested was when you were ready for reform. This is why, Clay, to your point, of course, this is what has happened. And Democrats are just trying to pretend like this isn't the obvious reality.

[Clay Travis]

I spend a ton of time thinking about this because it troubles me. It troubles me because if you look at population collapsing, what is. Let's take a step back. What is ultimate success between men and women when it comes to our interactions in our race relationships? It's children, right? That is the ultimate success story. Now, I understand some of you have incredibly loving marriages and you never had children. And I'm not demeaning that. I'm just saying the ultimate goal of our species is that we have to have children to propagate the species. We're failing at that. We are failing as a society in the most civilized, the most brilliant historical record countries. And they're very different, whether it's Japan or Italy, and now in the United States, certainly in Britain, Germany, like you just run through the list, we're failing at producing more children than existed before us. And that is not a good thing. It's actually potentially going to lead to serious civilizational issues.

[Buck Sexton]

I think, Clay, that your mansplaining and leaving out all of the intersex and non binary individuals who have also chosen not to have children because of climate anxiety. So really we need to be more inclusive of their multiple psychoses.

[Clay Travis]

And by the way, one of the challenges here is I was reading yesterday, I believe the average age for marriage is now over 30. Let me make a PSA here. That's fine for dudes. Women, you should be getting married way younger. And I'm not trying to set anybody off on a full panic, but this whole idea of that women should be the same as men. There are a lot of moron guys out there that suddenly looked around at 45 or 50 or even 55 and said, hey, you know what, I'd really like to have kids that still had the ability to do it. There's a lot of women that get to that age and they say, but wait, I went to grad school, I did everything. I was a girl boss. I did everything that society told me I should do. And I passed up on marriage because I couldn't find Mr. Right. And I was so focused on my career. I don't think the aspiration of anyone, male or female, should be to desperately claw their way to middle management at the expense of having children. And so I think we've sold a bill of goods here. And if I had daughters, I'd be talking to them about this. It's actually good to get married in your 20s if you're a girl. It's actually good to have children in your twenties if you are female. Men, we have the luxury of being morons for a long time because of biology. But this idea men are going to get married at 32 or 33 or 45 or 50 or whatever it is. No, I feel like no one tells women this. And then you go and you get, you know, get your advanced degree and you bust your ass in a law firm for five or six years or you're a, you know, doctor or architect or whatever supreme achievement you have, and then you have a great deal of difficulty. They call it after 35 buck, you know what they call it? A geriatric pregnancy.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I know.

[Clay Travis]

I don't think of people as 35 years old as being old. Most of you don't either. But biologically, you're starting to get old. It becomes more difficult. So anyway, I'm fired up about this because it's becoming a bigger issue every year. Men and women are not getting along. Men should be masculine, women should be feminine, and we shouldn't confuse the two. And that's actually a very good thing. And the fact that Democrats can't get this right, I think culturally is why they've lost men. And I think increasingly women are getting angry at what they see as what they've been sold versus the reality. It ain't that good to be a girl boss and be in middle management when you're 58 years old. I'm telling you, I bet a lot of people end up regretting that choice.

[Buck Sexton]

So anyway, I mean, there, there are differences with the genders. You know, at nighttime duty, speed calls out for mama. That's his favorite word. He wants his mommy. That's his favorite person in the whole world. That is the person closer to him than any other. And that's the way that it's supposed to be. If something goes crash, bang, whatever, in the middle of the night, dad, dad grabs his Glock 19 and goes to check it out and see what the heck is going on downstairs, right. Gender roles are a good thing in many, many cases.

[Clay Travis]

Almost all cases. Almost all cases. There's a reason gender roles exist pretty much.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, there's a whole, you know, anyway, this is a big discussion, but it's just funny that Tim, Tim Walls is still, you could tell he's really.

[Clay Travis]

Sore about that thing.

[Buck Sexton]

He thought his ace up the sleeve was like, got my Carhartt jacket on. I'm going to go, you know, shoot.

[Clay Travis]

They tried to call him. Remember when they introduced him at the Democrat National Convention, they didn't call him Governor Walls, they called him Coach Walls. So they thought they were going to Friday Night Lights, Eric Taylor, him. Everybody was going to come around. And this guy with spirit fingers walking around awkwardly doing leg kicks. Most dudes were not. That's like most guys were thinking, we're not.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, I actually respect jazz hands. Like that was the most interesting thing that, you know, his jazz hands was a level of creativity that I was not expecting for to be fair to.

[Clay Travis]

Him, by the way, for his age, his leg high kicks were actually fairly, fairly impressive. He'd be a great runcat.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Those Groovy tunes, doing the trump dance to those groovy Christmas tunes. You know, Carrie's like, what. What are you playing when we're, you know, getting ready for the party tomorrow, we're putting up garlands and decorations. I'm like, oh, honey, can you hear that? That's Mannheim Steamroller, baby. That's how we do in this household. So we're having a good time with all of our Christmas music. Clay, on the other hand, womp, womp.

[Clay Travis]

Lots of anger pouring in. But I'm right. There's too much Christmas music. I mean, I'm not saying when you're. I worked retail. We'll play some of your. Talk back. Some of your anger, some of the vitriol that's been descending upon me since yesterday.

[Buck Sexton]

No, if you're in a store, you're going to hear the Christmas music. Like, if you're. If you're in a club, if you're in a place that's selling gifts, you're going to hear the Christmas music. That's for sure. So we will get to your. Do we.

[Clay Travis]

What.

[Buck Sexton]

What is the most. What is the spiciest troll take that you have had on the show of all time? I mean, flute players are never going to forgive you.

[Clay Travis]

There's not that many flute players right about them all. I mean, flute player, if you chose to play, and, oh, getting ice cream.

[Buck Sexton]

Yourself as a guy.

[Clay Travis]

I still.

[Buck Sexton]

That was harsh. There were a lot of guys that felt called out by that one.

[Clay Travis]

Well, I mean, I'm right on all these things. I understand that some of you feel angered, sometimes attacked, because I'm right and you're wrong. But, yeah, like, you know, grown men. It's actually funny. I was. I don't remember what the kid was, but I have a tendency of saying nice things to kids because I'm a dad. I see myself as a dad. Like, so, you know, like, if you're out and somebody's biking or something, like, hey, you're doing a good job on that bicycle, or what, Like, I'm actually a pretty nice person. Laura told me the other day. She was like, I think because you have a beard and you're getting older, maybe you shouldn't talk to young kids as much. And I was like that. You don't know. I thought I was just being super nice. Like, we're just walking down the sidewalk and, you know, you know, there's like a kid, and I'm like, oh, that's a. That's a cool sweatshirt, you know, or, hey, you're doing a really good job on that bike. I thought I was just being super nice. She was like, no, I think, I think it's, you're getting like, you're like the old guy with the beard. Like, you're the. And I was like, you're judging.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, there is an old guy level where you can, you can reach old guy level because I knew a guy like this in New York and he, he was, he had like an accent too, which always helps. He would just walk by like attractive women on the street when I, he's.

[Clay Travis]

Like, oh, you look beautiful, darling, beautiful. And it was okay.

[Buck Sexton]

It wasn't creepy.

[Clay Travis]

I think maybe I'm at the creepy age as opposed to the super old guy where you can get away with anything. I don't know. I never even really thought about it. I want you to be able to get away with making the best possible picks no matter who you love out there. On Prize picks pricepicks.com code clay. You get $50 when you play $5. This plays off at 6x. Somebody emailed me yesterday, said, you're talking too fast. It's [e-mail] we gotta have a clock here to move fast. Tua Dak, Sam Darnold, Bryce Young, Shador Sanders. It's up@clay playinbuck.com all five of these starting quarterbacks to have more on their touchdown passes. It's super easy. Five starting NFL quarterbacks, I'm taking more on all their touchdowns. You get $50. Georgia, Texas, California if you're feeling left out. Prizepix.com Code Clay that's prizepix.com Code clay get hooked up today. Clay Travis with the Clay and Buck show. Wishing you and your family a very merry Christmas and a happy new welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you rolling with us through the Wednesday edition of the program. Couple of things that are out there. I'm looking right now. We're gonna have Erica Kirk on the show on Friday. It has been 90 days, Buck, since there was the assassination of Charlie Kirk. I bring that up because so many of the attacks on Erica Kirk have been super nasty. But I have to give credit to of all people, Buck Trump was in Pennsylvania yesterday and John Federman tweeted this earlier today. Buck, it's gross and dehumanizing to attack a widow with young children after just witnessing his public assassination. It shouldn't be controversial to put our political views aside and extend the grace for a deeply traumatized family to grieve. He's referring to this audio. And some of you say, okay, Clay, you're giving. And I know we talk about this quite a lot, Buck, you're giving attention to people who don't deserve it. And I, I struggle with that sometimes. But this is not a supremely minority view. There are a lot of people out there in this holiday season that are attacking the Kirk family, like Jennifer Welch, super left wing podcaster. Listen to what she said. That is what John Fetterman, credit to him, is responding to.

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She's abundantly aware of the, when you talk about women and poverty that black and brown women stick off the charts more so than white women. This is a, an intentional attack on poor women and this is a dehumanization, all done in the name of her Lord and savior, Jesus Christ, which is the exact opposite of what the central character of the faith of Christianity preached against. So this is intentional weaponization of her gender and her faith. And this, she is a grifter. And just look at the costume changes, look at the costume changes, look at the affect and how she does that. It's. While this woman should be kicked to the curb, she is an absolute grifter, just like Donald Trump and just like her unrepentant, racist, homophobic husband was.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, I have a few things, a few thoughts on this, on this woman who is getting a lot of attention these days. She is modern Democrat Party leftism, like built in a laboratory. And she is essentially the ultimate distillation. Like if you were to come together and really take the id, the ego, the super ego, if you were to look at all of the aspects of the Democrat Party that have risen to the top of their hierarchy and the kind of people who are calling the shots of the Democrat Party, I just want to know this absolutely nasty, ignorant, heinous woman is really the perfect Democrat. Yes, she's actually the, the, the distillation. She is purity. She is the, the ultimate Democrat Female In 2025, going into 2026. So I just think everybody should take, take stock of that from, and her popularity, very rapid popularity speaks to, to speak to that, that reality that she is a very, you know, internally a deeply sad and really unscrupulous and nasty and narcissistic human being.

[Clay Travis]

So I think all that is really well said. I don't think she stands alone. I think it's important to recognize that she is becoming popular for what she's saying. I do think also when you call Erica Kirk a grifter who should be kicked to the curb and then obviously she attacked Charlie. If, and I hope, God forbid, hope it never happens. If someone killed me for something that I was advocating for in public at a public event like this, I would hope that my wife would be an eloquent voice for the arguments that I was making after I was gone. Erica Kirk, to me, is trying to. It's the opposite of being a grifter. She's trying to ensure that her husband did not die in vain and that the, the things that he believed in and that he stood for are not going to pass with him. So if anything, and I mean this in a very sincere way, she is being selfless. It's the opposite of grifting. To me. Advocating on behalf of your spouse who can no longer advocate for himself is one of the great aspects of marriage that we should all hope that our lives would embody. And if you're, whether you're a husband or a wife, speaking for someone who has lost their life in a violent way and standing up for, for them, it's not just that she's wrong and nasty Buck, it's that even the logic of her argument is refuted. To me, what Erica Kirk is doing is a form of selfless service for her husband's values that otherwise no one else can articulate as well as her. Does that make sense? So it's actually the exact opposite. Even if you want to give this crazy left wing woman the benefit of accepting her argument, she's actually saying not only awful things, but even the logic behind her argument, it's the opposite of what she's saying.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, I think that's. I think that's all true. And that's why, again, the fact that this person has risen so much in popularity. I mean, I will tell you, some of the, some of the, the podcast and digital creators that I'm seeing that are. Have grown to the absolute top of the charts. I think the apocalypse is nigh. I don't know what to tell you. It's a little scary and I won't.

[Clay Travis]

Get into some of this.

[Buck Sexton]

I'm not even thinking about anybody on the right. Specifically right now. I'm thinking about some of the ones on the left and one or two that are sort of non political, but I'm like, that's the dumbest that, that woman. Well, now I'm kind of giving away something is.

[Clay Travis]

I'll just say it. I'll take, I'll take the onus.

[Buck Sexton]

No, no, no, I, I'm. You're not thinking of what I'm thinking of. Okay, you're not thinking of what I'm thinking of. I'm thinking of, of somebody who like tells women about how their brain should function and stuff. I'm like, she was on the Bill Maher show.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, I don't even know who that is. I don't even think I do.

[Buck Sexton]

This woman has sold millions of books. She knows nothing. She knows nothing. I do not understand. She's a huge, huge podcast.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, this is. Yeah, I think I do know who she is. Is she the, Is she the let them chick?

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

Or is that a different person?

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, she's the let them chick. Yes. Yeah, I've, I've, I've had a few dealings with her before she had this whole thing. She actually tried to do radio for a while. I don't know what to say. Like the popular. I generally celebrate people's popularity. Like I've always sit here. Oh man. Like what Rogan built was incredible. And, and you know, we're always very grateful for Rush Limbaugh shoulder like building the house of talk radio and shouldering that responsibility and burden for 30 years. And I think what people do that's greatly successful. I.

[Clay Travis]

But I want to be able to.

[Buck Sexton]

Celebrate it as something that's worthwhile, even if it's not my thing. You know, people like some of the true crime podcasts. It's not my cup of tea. I don't have time for that stuff.

[Clay Travis]

Whatever.

[Buck Sexton]

But I can say they're really well done. They're really engrossing. I've listened to a little bit of them here and there, whatever. But some of the stuff that is getting really like this, this left wing woman, I can't remember her name but one was talking about and this whole like let them theory, this is like.

[Clay Travis]

This is brain damage.

[Buck Sexton]

This is idiocy. I don't know what else to say. I don't know what, what people don't understand.

[Clay Travis]

I don't understand. Like I don't understand the idea. And again, you went to Blue sky right after it happened. But I think it's important to stare at it and recognize that not only does it exist, it's not some crazy outlandish, not responded to in a positive way. Take people on the left. That clip we played of the crazy Jennifer Welch chick. Tons of mostly women. Because I don't think any men listen to that. Trying to think of a word I can use without getting us in trouble. I don't think that many men listen to that show. Right. There are a ton of left wing women that heard everything she said. About Erica Kirk. And they were nodding along and they were saying, preach.

[Buck Sexton]

And they'll say that you're reminding me of this too. You know, you mentioned, like, what if something terrible and nothing, you're going to be fine. But like theoretically, or rather if we're talking about this, something terrible happened to you. There are a bunch of us who would absolutely. Obviously me, we do a show together three hours a day. We're co hosts on this show. Would go to the mat and then some against anybody who would attack Laura, attack your legacy. And yeah, and I'm just gonna say it. There are some people who are much closer than. I wasn't close to Charlie. We were friendly. I, you know, I knew him a bit. You know, we really. I knew more like 10 years ago when he first got started, but Charlie and I always got along fine and, you know, and I respected a lot of what he had built, but I wasn't. There are people that are really close to Charlie who are letting crazy stuff be said and be said about his wife and be said, you know, and they are silent on this issue. And people can say, well, why aren't you more involved one. Because like I said, I didn't actually know. I've never met Erica, so I didn't know Charlie that well. So it's, you know, but I'm just saying, you know, you said, what if something happened to me? I don't know how I'd be able to sleep at night if people were saying crazy stuff about Laura after somebody had taken you out on an assassination. And I'm just sitting there quietly after being your, you know, co host with you for.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, no, and. But I think that's why it's. That the attack is so unfair to me. Because to me, her being a voice as she is in public for Charlie is a form of selflessness. To me, it is what you would hope that your significant other would be trying to do or able to do. And certainly it's a credit to Charlie that his wife is an accomplished.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, but her, her attack, I mean, she's. The woman who's attacking her is a.

[Clay Travis]

Is a psycho.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, that's.

[Clay Travis]

But I'm.

[Buck Sexton]

There are people who should be standing up to the psycho and standing up to some of the craziness out there on Charlie's behalf. And like I said, you might. Well buck. What about you guys? I'm not. Clay and I were not, you know, we weren't going to Turning points events. We were not super close to Charlie. Again, friends. We liked him Respect what he did. But there are people who were like, Charlie's squad.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

And they're silent on this stuff. And I don't want to call anybody out by name because it's not about that, but I just hope that maybe someone will hear this and be like, come on, man, look, what do you think this is? Your buddy got taken out and there's lunacy all over the place. And this woman is going after Charlie's widow. And you're not going to. You're not going to take that up. You're not going to say anything.

[Clay Travis]

John Fetterman spoke out. I'm sure Fetterman didn't know Charlie Kirk.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I think got a copy of your book Balls, because Fetterman's got some.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, good for him. But I mean, what is the standard when you're going after widows? And again, I think that she is doing an amazing job speaking out because they tried to keep Charlie from speaking out. And the idea that you would attack her is even. Even by the standards of accepting that there is going to be awfulness out there. Her being attacked to the degree that she is is. It really has staggered me and the number of people out there we know who celebrated Charlie Kirk's death and now also are calling his widow a grifter who should be kicked to the curb. How dare she. I just. It is a sign of a level of awfulness that exists on the left that, frankly, I do not believe exist on the right. I don't. I don't think any of you out there if. Bucks.

[Buck Sexton]

Bucks. Things have gotten a little crazy lately. I'm a little sad about what's going on on the right, but that's another conversation.

[Clay Travis]

I. Yeah, well, there's a lot of craziness out there in general, but if an innocent person gets assassinated and then his wife is trying to talk about the things that he cared about. Even if I disagreed with all the politics, I wouldn't be going at. I can't imagine that there would be a similar vein of awfulness directed at the left wing version of Erica Kirk. To the extent that she could exist. I really don't think it would. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it would be just as toxic. I would like to think that that is not true. A year ago this month, producer Ali and I were in Israel with the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, witnessing firsthand the destruction to the country and our people. Sobering trip. A reminder of why it's so important to support our Jewish friends and allies today. The Ifcj is focusing on Ukraine's elderly Jewish residents that desperately need help, especially as winter sets in and war still rages. On the the IFCJ is hand delivering boxes of food, emergency lighting and warm blankets. This aid is a life saving gift from the ifcj. The visit from Fellowship staff is also a reminder they're not forgotten through a special matching grant. Your gift today to the IFCJ has twice the impact up to the first $50,000. Don't delay. To rush your gift, call 888-488-IFCJ. That's 888-488-4325. You can also give online@ FellowshipGift.org that's FellowshipGift.org want to be in the Know when you're on The Go the Team 47 podcast Trump highlights from the week, Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clan Book Podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Pressure is coming down.

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Coming up in a few minutes, I'll talk to you about we had an election that actually happened here and not a great outcome.

[Clay Travis]

Are you able to vote in the Miami mayor's race or is it a small enough area that you're not in it?

[Buck Sexton]

I'm, I live in Miami Beach. I actually am not a Miami city resident. It's a different city. I know that's for a lot of the tourists. It feels like it's all one place, but it's a little bit of a Dallas, Fort Worth situation. Like these are different cities. So I live in Miami Beach. Our mayor, the mayor that I voted for, one reelection. So I was happy about that. But I'll give you the update here. And they're trying to push, they're trying to push this as, oh, the first, well, I'll get into it, but Miami unfortunately had a loss last night toward socialism, which is, which is unfortunate. And I'll give you the updates on that one. Also, we have Here we go. FF Podcast listener Ron from Toledo wants to weigh in on something.

[Clay Travis]

Here we go.

[Buck Sexton]

Go ahead, Ron. Somebody that has a Glock 19 needs.

[Clay Travis]

To get some more testosterone, get himself a 1911.

[Buck Sexton]

Good listening to you. I'm just going to tell you, man, D.J. shipley of SEAL Team 6 who I've trained with, he has a Glock 19 as his bedside gun. So like, I, I don't know, I don't know enough knowledge of guns to.

[Clay Travis]

Even know the gun trash talk that that guy's trying to bring at you.

[Buck Sexton]

Ron, Ron from, from Toledo, Ohio. I'm glad that you have a 1911. I hope that it goes well with your walker because it's an old man gun. Okay, podcast listener, trash talk podcast listener, Don GG Hit it. As far as Christmas gifts, Christmas is for kids with the gifts, especially the little kids. And the best gifts that adults can give each other is not having to give a gift.

[Clay Travis]

Take care.

[Buck Sexton]

I, I, I agree. I'm totally except for our sponsors. Get those gifts for your for everybody. You know, that's fantastic. But as a general premise, unless you're getting one of our sponsors stuff as a gift, don't get any gifts.

[Clay Travis]

Except tell my wife all the time, living with me every day is a gift. Why, why would I need to give you an additional one? I mean, I think we might need a lot.

[Buck Sexton]

We might need a Laura talk back for the Christmas season on just how living with Clay every day is a gift. So maybe she'll send that in. VIP email from Mark. Hey guys, I think the real question regarding Tim Walsh's masculinity is whether he would drink rose. Thank you. You're doing great jokes. Are you going to be are you going to do Kaylee show this weekend? Are they going to pull the pull the wool over my eyes again or pull the rug out from under me?

[Clay Travis]

I think I'm doing the show on Saturday morning. I will be appearing. I will be responding to the outlandish and outrageous attacks upon my character that have been levied on Fox news. And Kayleigh McEnany better just buckle up. I know she's a big deal former White House press secretary, got her own show on Fox. Fox News mom. She's doing really well. Harvard Law grad, I think all these.

[Buck Sexton]

Things very, very an MLB player too. Mary's kind of running a lot of.

[Clay Travis]

Impressive little check marks there. But I just am telling her she better buckle up because you know, I might show up with my own bottle of rose ready to ready to rumble on Saturday morning on Fox News. You never know what you're gonna get.

[Buck Sexton]

You know there already is a brand called Brose or else I would say we would have to get that then going. We'll talk Miami election. We'll talk Trump, we will talk economy and more. Oh, and Jasmine Crockett coming up.

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[Clay Travis]

This is when Mindset comes in.

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[Clay Travis]

Pressure is coming down.

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[Clay Travis]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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