Weekly Review With Clay and Buck H1 - Twist of Irony

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Weekly Review With Clay and Buck H1 - Twist of Irony
Date: January 10, 2026
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show (iHeartPodcasts)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the week's most significant political stories, centering on the dramatic downfall of Minnesota Governor Tim Walz (formerly a vice presidential contender), repercussions of the Venezuela crisis after Maduro’s seizure, and broader reflections on political authenticity, U.S. territorial ambitions, and shifts in global power. Hosts Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dissect these events with their trademark blend of humor, candid analysis, and conversational banter.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Irony of Tim Walz’s Political Demise

• Walz as the "Masculinity Avatar":

  • The hosts open with the irony that Tim Walz, chosen by Democrats as a symbol of American masculinity for the VP slot, is now a national laughingstock due to a fraud scandal and his lack of authentic appeal.
  • Clay Travis (04:13):

    “In a twist of irony, the guy who Democrats put forward to be the avatar of American masculinity is losing his political future after one, people questioning whether he was a good avatar of that masculinity broadly mocking him. And two, he is a household name now because of his short and ill-fated run. And therefore the wild corruption that has been unearthed in Minneapolis is a much bigger story…”

• If Walz Had Not Been VP:

  • Both agree that absent the national spotlight from being Kamala’s VP pick, Walz would have been quietly re-elected—and the Minnesota fraud would have remained a minor, local scandal.
  • Clay Travis (03:24):

    “If Kamala hadn’t picked Tim Walz, he probably runs for governor again, gets elected... but it wouldn’t have been out there in the public arena to such an extent.”

• Democratic Blindness Toward Masculinity and Authenticity:

  • Buck compares Democrats’ approach to masculinity to primatologists observing wild animals, missing the crux of authenticity.
  • Buck Sexton (05:57):

    “They sit there... with their notepad out and they say, you know what we need? We need an older white guy who wears cowboy boots and carhartt and walks around with a gun... the problem is, what they missed is authenticity matters more than anything.”

• Comparing Governors—Credibility and Authenticity:

  • The hosts debate whether a “double chick ticket” (Kamala Harris and Gretchen Whitmer) would have been stronger, suggesting authenticity (even in an unpopular governor) trumps staged images of toughness.

2. Masculinity, Stereotypes, and Political Performance

• Ron DeSantis Anecdote:

  • Buck shares a story from a DeSantis fraternity brother, portraying DeSantis as a reliable, practical person rather than a “beer-pounding, girls-chasing” guy.
  • Buck Sexton (07:26):

    “He said the guy is the best at just doing jobs... if you want a guy who's just going to build you a shelf in the frat house, Ron DeSantis will build a shelf… But campaign trail seduction? Not his thing.”

• Self-Deprecation and Stereotypes:

  • The hosts joke about their own (lack of) handyman skills, with tongue-in-cheek references to masculinity markers like gun enthusiast weekends and driving style.

3. Venezuelan Crisis & U.S. Intervention

• American Presence in Venezuela:

  • Buck consults Grok AI to estimate 10,000 Americans live in Venezuela (13:09), a small number reflecting years of turmoil.
  • Buck Sexton (13:09):

    “Grok says there are 10,000 Americans, roughly, that are living in Venezuela right now...”

• Cuba’s Security Influence:

  • The Cuban intelligence apparatus, trained by the KGB, explains why Maduro relied on Cuban bodyguards. But recent events show even their famed skills are no match for American special operations.
  • Buck Sexton (25:28):

    “The Cuban relationship with security...goes all the way back to the Cold War and the KGB…But they ain't Delta Force, that's for damn sure.”

• Operation to Remove Maduro:

  • 32 Cuban bodyguards killed in the raid to seize Maduro. Clay speculates the existing VP might have cooperated with the CIA, while Buck emphasizes the psychological impact on the rest of the Venezuelan leadership:
    • Clay Travis (26:47):

      “A part of me...thinks that...she might have been one of the CIA sources that helped Maduro get taken out. Crazy theory or...?”

    • Buck Sexton (28:05):

      “All the players still on the chessboard in Venezuela just as a matter of basic self-preservation now understand we can get you in your sleep...We can do that to anybody.”

• Lessons from Iraq:

  • Buck draws a parallel to de-Ba’athification in Iraq, warning against purging all of the previous regime's personnel and instead advocating for a pragmatic approach in post-Maduro Venezuela.
  • Buck Sexton (30:25):

    “The big mistake was de-Ba’athification....so basically everybody with training and a gun and any authority in the country was told, you got nothing to do, you have no source of income…”

• Geopolitical Realignment:

  • Buck and Clay see the operations in Venezuela and Cuba, as well as protests in Iran, as part of a possible larger collapse of left-wing, anti-American regimes—prompted by the assertiveness of Trump’s America.
  • Buck Sexton (32:21):

    “I think what we are seeing is a major geopolitical realignment…It feels like the forces of repression and socialism and communism are…starting to crumble simultaneously based on the strength being shown by President Trump.”

4. U.S. Territorial Ambitions: Venezuela, Cuba, and Greenland

• Hypothetical Territorial Expansion:

  • The hosts riff on U.S. history with territorial acquisitions and muse about making Cuba, Venezuela, and Greenland U.S. territories or protectorates for their own benefit and U.S. geopolitical strength.
  • Clay Travis (14:43):

    “We should look at what we've done with Puerto Rico and...consider making Cuba a territory of the United States…just a protectorate of sorts.”

• Greenland Discussion:

  • Playful debate on the possibility of acquiring Greenland. Citing Stephen Miller, they question Denmark’s claim and the logic behind the U.S. not stepping in.
  • Caller Jake (22:37):

    “The real question is by what right does Denmark assert control over Greenland?...Greenland should be part of the United States.”

5. Broader Reflections and Notable Banter

• Military Technology & Chinese Aid:

  • They joke about the ineffectiveness of Chinese surface-to-air missiles in Venezuela, with implications for any future Taiwan conflict.
  • Clay Travis (34:45):

    “The Chinese provision of...sophisticated surface to air missiles...were a total joke...Whatever the Chinese were giving the Venezuelans...was a joke.”

• Dictatorships’ Tenacity:

  • Caution against overconfidence that regimes like Iran, North Korea, or Syria will collapse just because of external pressure or setbacks.
  • Buck Sexton (36:42):

    “Even when by all rights and sanity, they shouldn't be able to hang on, they hang on. So I just don't want to get too far...We've been talking about Iran falling for as long as I've been alive.”

• “Exile” Country Game:

  • Lighthearted chat about where they'd go if forced into exile, with options considered for non-extradition, food, and weather.

• Podcast Growth and Personal Updates:

  • Clay plugs their YouTube channel, bantering about his white “Santa” beard and their families' Christmastime stories.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Democrats and Masculinity:

  • Buck Sexton (05:57):

    “Democrats now are like [primatologists] with men...like they're trying to create an AI avatar of what they think is going to be a man who connects with other men. The problem is...what they missed is authenticity matters more than anything.”

• On Ron DeSantis:

  • Buck Sexton (07:26):

    “If you need a guy who's just going to build you a shelf in the frat house, Ron DeSantis will build a shelf in the frat house that will be there for generations...You want a guy that's gonna pound a bunch of beers and pick up girls, not Ron DeSantis' thing.”

• Do Americans Know the Governor of Idaho?

  • Clay Travis (04:13):

    “If I sat here right now and asked everybody, if you don't live in...Idaho, who's the governor of Idaho? Everybody knows the governor of Minnesota, though.”

• On U.S. Power in Venezuela:

  • Buck Sexton (28:05):

    “Now, understand we can get you in your sleep, surrounded by the best of the best and have you transferred into a federal penitentiary hellhole that you're never getting out of in the blink of an eye. We can do that to anybody.”

• On Authoritarian Regimes and Freedom:

  • Buck Sexton (32:21):

    “It feels like the forces of repression and the forces of socialism and communism are...starting to crumble simultaneously based on the strength being shown by President Trump.”

• Self-Deprecation:

  • Clay Travis (10:30):

    “I drive slow. This is why I have to go in my free time and shoot lots of guns and do tactical training...to make up for my inability to change a light bulb and driving like a little old lady.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:34] – Buck opens with breakdown of the week’s top stories: Venezuela, Tim Walz, and the Minnesota scandal.
• [04:13] – Clay on the irony and national prominence of Tim Walz, vs. routine governor anonymity.
• [05:03] – Buck’s analogy of Democrats studying masculinity “like primatologists.”
• [07:26] – Ron DeSantis' personality dissected; campaign personas vs. actual ability (“build a shelf” story).
• [13:09] – Grok AI search for Americans living in Venezuela—about 10,000.
• [14:43] – Expanded musings on U.S. territorial ambitions (Venezuela, Cuba, Greenland).
• [22:33] – Stephen Miller’s (tongue-in-cheek) call for the U.S. to claim Greenland.
• [25:28] – The Cuban-KGB connection and the weakness of reliance on Cuban bodyguards.
• [26:47] – Theories about the Venezuelan VP cooperating with the CIA.
• [28:05] – The psychological impact of the Maduro raid on other Venezuelan officials.
• [30:25] – Buck on the lessons of Iraq: why purging all old regime officials fails.
• [32:21] – Buck on the global shift against socialism, with historical parallel to the Cold War’s end.
• [34:45] – China’s military tech in Venezuela underwhelms, with broader implications.
• [38:15] – Playful banter about countries of exile for deposed leaders (Vietnam, Russia, North Korea).
• [44:42] – Clay promotes the show’s YouTube channel, pokes fun at his white “Santa” beard.

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Tone and Language

• Conversational and humorous, with frank political analysis peppered with pop-culture, sports, and personal anecdotes.
• Self-deprecating banter about masculinity, family life, and handyman skills.
• Biting critiques of both political parties, with pointed skepticism toward Democratic “branding” and policy missteps.
• Strategic mindset in foreign policy, colored by both hosts' backgrounds (journalism and security).

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Conclusion

This episode offers a sharp, irreverent, and detailed look at the unraveling of political fortunes (Tim Walz), the U.S.'s ongoing efforts to shape the world stage (Venezuela, Cuba, Greenland), and the essential theme of authenticity—in politics, policy, and personal branding. The dynamic between Clay and Buck, sprinkled with friendly jibes and real talk, delivers both entertainment and insight for listeners who want to understand the current political moment with intelligence and wit.

Transcript

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

In Tuesday Edition Clay Travis BUCK SEXTON show. We've got a fun one headed your way as we continue to discuss the fallout of Maduro being seized in Venezuela. We are expecting for there to be, I believe, another, another out there of the Tim Walls press conferences as his political career is in shambles. We will discuss all of that with you and more. We'll also open up phone lines. We didn't take very many calls, your talkbacks as well, to allow you to ask the questions that you may have surrounding everything having to do with the Venezuela situation as well as maybe the Tim Walls continued fallout. Because if Venezuela hadn't happened, the Minnesota fraud story and the, and the fact that Tim Walls has gone from, what, 240,000 votes away from being vice president, a heartbeat away from the presidency, to basically having his complete political career be over. And I don't know about you, Buck, on this, but let's kind of dive in. Do you agree with me that if Kamala hadn't picked Tim Walz, he probably runs for governor again, gets elected. People don't really pay that much attention to the Minnesota fraud. Sit. Just because Minnesota is not typically the focal point of any major national news stories. And yes, the fraud would have still existed. It would have been indefensible, but it wouldn't have been out there in the public arena to such an extent. And so Tim Walls would have gotten reelected and he would have continued right on with the path that he was already on.

[Clay Travis]

Yes, in a twist of irony, the guy who Democrats put forward to be the avatar of American masculinity is losing his political future after one, people questioning whether he was a good avatar of that masculinity broadly mocking him. And two, he is a household name now because of his short and ill fated run. And therefore the wild corruption that has been unearthed in Minneapolis is a much bigger story because the governor of Minneapolis, Tim Walsh, is a national figure, which he would not have been before. I mean, if I sat here right now and asked everybody, if you don't live in the state of Idaho, who's the governor of Idaho? Everybody, everybody knows the governor of Minnesota, though. No. By the way, no shade to the governor of Idaho.

[Buck Sexton]

I think he's a Republican, but I'm with you. I don't know who the governor of Idaho is. He might be listening right now. We love Idaho and we've always been a big fan of your work, Celebrate your entire catalog. In fact, you know, when you look at that, I think it's also emblematic. Did you send out a, a tweet I think I saw where you're just like, what if Democrats are just horribly wrong about everything? Like, yep. And, and I do think there's a lot of truth to that. But to me, the, Tim Wall's entire experience is indicative of the fact that Democrats, by and large, look at voters like zoo animals. They have to go out in the wild. They look at men and they think, you know, in the same way. Was it Diane Fosse who was, I think, one of the great primatologists, if.

[Clay Travis]

That'S a word, talking about gorillas, gorillas in the mist. And there was Jane Goodall with the chimpanzees.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. They, they would go out and they would sit in the, in the, in the wild and they would observe what the chimpanzees did, what the gorillas did. And in an effort to understand how their society works, Democrats now are like that with men. They, they, they, I, I, I'm not kidding about this. They sit there and they, and they've got their notepad out and they, and they say, you know what we need? We need a older white guy who wears cowboy boots and car heart and knows how to go out and walk around with a gun. And he used to coach high school football. And you put all this together and it's like they're trying to create an AI avatar of what they think is going to be a man who connects with other men. The problem is, what they missed is authenticity matters more than anything. You look, there are nerds out there who are not the foundation of, I think, typically masculine, you know, bigger, stronger, faster. Men don't aspire necessarily to be like them. That can be really, really popular. Right. I mean, I would say no offense to him. Ron DeSantis a little bit of a nerd, right? And, and, and I don't mean that.

[Clay Travis]

In a negative, as they called him. What was with the meatball? Was that some kind of weird underhanded or backhanded, like, Italian American thing? Like, why are they hitting him on meatball? That never made sense to me.

[Buck Sexton]

I met one of Ron DeSantis fraternity buddies over, over break during, and we were talking and he said, you know, he loves Ron DeSantis with every fiber in his being. He said the guy is the best at just doing jobs. Say, if you need a guy who's just going to build you a shelf in the frat house, Ron DeSantis will build a shelf in the frat house that will be there for generations. He's like, if you want a guy that's going to Go out and pound a bunch of beers and try to pick up girls. Not Ron DeSantis's thing. And so he's like, you know, the going on the campaign trail, which is in many ways kind of a seductive thing. Right. You got to seduce voters.

[Clay Travis]

Convince popularity contest.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, it's not necessarily his thing. But every guy out there listening to us right now, you're saying to yourself, you know what? Ron DeSantis, I wish he could be governor of Florida for the next 20 years. He's done maybe the greatest job as a governor that. That Florida has ever seen. And. And so I guess what I'm getting at is Democrats don't understand men to such an extent that they don't understand the wide range of masculinity that I think Republicans can end up supporting. And so they toss out this fundamentally inauthentic guy in Tim Walls, and he in. Instead of actually convincing men that they should be voting for Kamala and Walls, I think he actually cost your votes. I think it would have actually been better for Kamala Buck if she. If she had gone and just said, hey, you know what? Gretchen Whitmer is my pick. Yeah, you got a double chick ticket. And it might have hurt her, but I think she probably would have won Michigan.

[Clay Travis]

I don't think she would have called it a double chick ticket. But, yeah, I hear what you're saying.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, the double dude ticket, double chick ticket. I think she would have been better off. I don't like Gretchen Whitmer, but I think Gretchen Whitmer is more authentic as a governor than Tim Walls was. And I think men might respect Gretchen Whitmer even more than they did Tim Walls because he's so fake. And so we start off this day with Tim Walls, his political career being over, which I think is kind of a remarkable story.

[Clay Travis]

Let's be honest here. Good chance that if you're wondering who could hang the picture frame and get it done with the tool belt and all the things, I think Gretchen Wimper might beat out Tim Walls. If you're looking for someone to choreograph your next Gretchen Chicago better. I would say Tim Walls is your guy.

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[Buck Sexton]

Repair than either you or I.

[Clay Travis]

She definitely is. She. I take no if my in laws are listening.

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Every time.

[Clay Travis]

Every time my father in law shows up here to visit. It's like a trade. He gets to see his grandchild and his daughter, and I get to present him with a list of things in the house that are broken that I don't know how to fix. It's great works. Laura.

[Buck Sexton]

Laura is the same. My father in law can fix everything. He's an engineer. And you know, she. He just shows up and by the way, he's about to be 80. Happy early 80th birthday to my father in law. And he's still infinitely better at fixing anything in the house. So. Look, I. I'm not claiming that at.

[Clay Travis]

Least, at least you drive way too fast like a maniac and are ready for the F1 circuit. I drive slow. This is why I have to go in my free time and shoot lots of guns and do tactical training on the weekends to make up for my inability to change a light bulb and driving like a little old lady.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, you know, you're driving like Miss Daisy. Is, is definitely. I was, I was doing all that. It's actually I thought about this. He should just said.

[Clay Travis]

He should just say thank you Buck, for keeping me safe. But instead I get all this.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, when they were talking about the CIA agents who were in Venezuela, officer, I always get that wrong. But the CIA officers who are in Venezuela, I was thinking to myself, you know, this could have been a job for Buck. But hopefully they were never chased because if they were, he would have gotten caught and captured just like that. Because the guy can't. He has no evasive driving skills. He would be obeying whatever the speed limits are. And, and, and as a result we might not have gotten Maduro just because you don't drive fast enough.

[Clay Travis]

It's called going low profile. Low viz. You obey the local traffic ordinances so you don't arouse suspicion, Clay. That's how highly trained I am. They would think that I'm a retiree on vacation there. They would never suspect.

[Buck Sexton]

How many Americans are there in Venezuela, by the way? Do we know like actually in Venezuela?

[Clay Travis]

That's a great question. I mean the number is a lot less now than. I mean obviously right now particularly. But it's been going down and down for a long time. I mean the State Department has had a do not travel order up for. For Venezuela for quite some time, I think. So it hasn't been a probably don't go. It's a don't go.

[Buck Sexton]

This is my. My boys is not going to shock you that as soon as we raided Venezuela. My boys are super sports fans. One of my sons said is Ronald Acuna. Okay. Ronald Acuna is the star Venezuelan baseball player of the Atlanta Braves. And a lot of. I mean this is true. A lot of baseball players in the off season, go to Venezuela. Weather's perfect. Baseball is hugely there. And so there are a lot of Major League Baseball players in Venezuela. I think right now, before spring training.

[Clay Travis]

Starts next month, maybe Venezuela, we decide. We get you. Look, you can't make them citizens. They're not Americans.

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[Clay Travis]

They're. They're Latinos. They're South Americans and Latinos. But, you know, maybe we. Maybe Czar Miller. I don't know if he's officially being called that yet, but Stephen Miller in the White House. If, in fact he gets the Venezuela portfolio, we move toward Venezuela becomes like Guam, but a lot bigger and with.

[Buck Sexton]

A lot more oil.

[Clay Travis]

Like, you're not. You're not voting in our. Exactly. Like the U.S. virgin Islands, except where.

[Buck Sexton]

I know all about territorial law, by the way. Cleaning up a couple of things. We are big fans of. Let's make sure that I get this right. We are big fans of Brad Little, current governor of Idaho. No one. No one. Bigger fans than us.

[Clay Travis]

Let's make sure you get it right. Because you've been thinking about Brad a lot lately.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes, I have. I've been. I've been thinking. Need to talk about the job Brad's doing in Idaho.

[Clay Travis]

You know what the truth is, though? Can I just really quickly. The reason we don't talk about Brad a lot here is because Idaho is a great state and he's obviously doing a great job. So because he's not the focus of commentary is a good thing.

[Buck Sexton]

Grok. I don't know how much you use Grok now all the time.

[Clay Travis]

Replace Google for me. It's amazing. I love it.

[Buck Sexton]

Grok says that there. And if you have not, this is worth getting on Twitter X by itself. I am stunned by how effective it is at just giving me basic facts. Like yesterday, I was looking up. We'll talk about it a little bit later, but I was looking up the number of murders in Washington, D.C. you can go on Twitter, hit the Grox symbol, and you can just say, hey, tell me how many murders there have been graphically from 1970 in Washington, D.C. to the present day? Wait like 45 seconds a minute. Boom. All of the data right there in front of you. Grok says there are 10,000Americans, roughly, that are living in Venezuela right now, according to recent estimates.

[Clay Travis]

Right. Small number when you consider the size of Venezuela. And. And I wonder what it would be comparatively, say, to Colombia next door. So we can grok that one, by the way, Clay, in retrospect. Now, given that maybe Stephen Miller can bring about the Territorial dispensation of Venezuela for us. I'm not saying he's going to do that. It's just a fun idea. We should talk about Greenland, which I don't think is entirely a joke. I still think that there is an interesting conversation that is being had about people say it belongs to Denmark. Ok, why the Greenlanders are not Danes. What is, what has Denmark done for Greenland? Does Greenland get a say in this? It's a big piece of territory. And also just because you're a Civil War nerd, self described, people forget this. Ulysses Grant had a great plan. He wanted to make the Dominican Republic. You're talking about baseball before he wanted to make the Dominican Republic a US territory and got shot down by the Senate.

[Buck Sexton]

First of all, there are a lot of decisions we made surrounding territories that I think were wrong. And I think in like the first year of this show, four or five years ago, I said we should go into Cuba and we should end this absurdity. I'm going to re bring that back up, double down, double down, triple down, quadruple down, whatever necessary. We should right now in this year of 2026, end the fact that Cuba is a communist country and return basic freedoms to Cuba. To your point on territories, I would even suggest that we should look at what we've done with Puerto Rico and with the US Virgin Islands, Guam, as you mentioned, and consider making Cuba a territory of the United States. Not a full part of the of the citizenry. You're not voting, you don't in the Senate, you don't have congressional representation, but just a protectorate of sorts. To me that is a something that should significantly be looked at.

[Clay Travis]

Think about the deal that we've gotten in other places. I mean, Guam is one example. They get US military protection, we put bases there. They don't ever have to worry about foreign relations, foreign invasion, anything like that. They get infrastructure, they get rule of law, they get access to, you know, American markets, etc. It's not a bad deal.

[Buck Sexton]

We already have the huge base at Guantanamo and thanks to Colonel Jessup, we still have it.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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Just got better welcome back into Clay and Buck. We talked a little bit for a second there about Greenland. Not really well named. It really should be Iceland as we know. Quite tricky. Sneaky. The the Vikings were with this. The Iceland actually has some green. The Greenland actually has basically nothing but ice. But that's the way it goes. Stephen Miller asking a question. He's just asking questions. He was with Fake Tapper over at cnn, which still exists I might add. CNN is still a thing technically. Cut 22 Stephen Miller asking the question why does Denmark have Greenland?

[Buck Sexton]

Can you say that military action against Greenland is off the table?

[Caller Jake]

What do you mean military action against Greenland? Greenland has a population of 30,000 people. Jake. The real question is by what right does Denmark assert control over Greenland? What is the basis of their territorial claim? What is their basis of having Greenland as a colony of Denmark? The United States is the power of NATO for the United States to secure the Arctic region to protect and defend NATO and NATO interests. Obviously Greenland should be part of the United States.

[Buck Sexton]

It is a really great question why Denmark is just has Greenland. Because Greenland has been a colony of Denmark for hundreds of years, basically. It is a fantastic question. There's only 30,000 people there. It seems to me that the people of Greenland should be able to choose do they want to be a part of America or they'd be rather be a part of Denmark. And I don't know what that outcome would be, but I feel pretty good about our ability to provide a higher quality of life for the people of Greenland than than certainly Denmark does. I mean, does anybody doubt that at all? We'll come back, we'll take some of your calls and take some of your reactions. Prize Picks in the meantime is available in all 50 states including California, Texas, Florida and Georgia. All 50 states. Just in time for college football playoff game Thursday College football playoff game Friday and then NFL wild card Saturday, Sunday and Monday. You know, back in the day, Rush was one of the greatest of the of the individuals when it came to daily fantasy. Nobody signed up more people than him. And Rush back in the day considered buying an NFL team. And I know that he would be excited for all five days of games back to back to back. And I think he'd love Prize picks which is available, like I said, in all 50 states including California, Texas, Florida, Georgia. You can download the Prize Picks app today. Use my name Clay as the code. You get $50 dollars instantly in lineups when you play $5. That's code clay on prize picks. 50 bucks in lineups in your account when you play $5 pricepix.com code play welcome back in play Travis Buck Sexton show. Having an awesome time hanging out with all of you on the Tuesday edition of the program. We've been talking about Tim Walls and the fact that his political career is potentially over. Continuing to discuss Venezuela, Cuba has now announced, Buck that 32 Cubans were killed by the special forces that seized Maduro. Now, what's interesting about this is for those of you who had not paid a lot of attention, the idea that Cuban bodyguards were uniquely skilled and uniquely talented was a huge part of why Maduro felt confident that he was well protected.

[Clay Travis]

Well, there's, and there's a reason for this. The reason, as we had discussed a little bit yesterday, is that the Cuban relationship with security and security services goes all the way back to the Cold War and the kgb. I mean, I said things to you guys like the KGB helped them. The KGB brought Clay, the Cuban services to Moscow. I mean, they brought them to their academies to train them in, you know, counterintelligence, subversion, assassination, all of these things that the KGB excelled at. And remember, they learned this in a rule of law, free framework. So it's just, you do whatever you have to do, whatever goes right. It's a no holds barred approach to intelligence and security work. And so the Cubans developed quite a reputation for being the most adept intel operatives in Latin America, which was a huge problem for the US obviously and our allies. But even places like Angola, the Cubans were sending military and security resources to shore up communist revolutions elsewhere in the world. So they've been these mercenaries for hire for a long time, but they ain't Delta Force, that's for damn sure.

[Buck Sexton]

So 32 of them killed and I don't know to what extent there's going to be any of the cameras are, that are going to get leaked or released. I'm just putting this out there, but it is, I, it is staggering how good these guys were, Buck. And I know they trained and I know they had a mock up of exactly where Maduro was. And a part of me, by the way, thinks that we were talking about this yesterday, people were saying, okay, why is President Trump seem to be okay with the existing Vice president potentially being elevated? Part of me thinks, Buck, she might have been one of the CIA sources that helped Maduro get taken out. Crazy theory or do you think, why would she said publicly, oh, I'm not going to do anything for the US and, and Rubio and Trump and everybody. They're like, hey, you know, we kind of, we kind of understand that she has to say things inside of her country that seem like she's not working with us. But we're, they're saying here we're very confident we're going to be working with her. What would the basis for feeling comfortable that you were going to have a good relationship with her be unless you had had some relationship in the past?

[Clay Travis]

I have a very, I have a very different feeling about this play, which is that all of the players still on the Chessboard in Venezuela just as a matter of basic self preservation. Now, understand we can get you in your sleep surrounded by the best of the best and have you, and have you transferred into a federal penitentiary hellhole that you're never getting out of in the blink of an eye. We can do that to anybody.

[Buck Sexton]

So your, your take is that they're just getting in line because they saw what happened to Machado and they're afraid that it could happen to them. My question, and certainly the motivating factor there is strong based on your analysis. My thought, though is for the President to have come out and basically said, hey, this other woman who won the Nobel Prize, that side of the political equation we don't feel comfortable with at all. I feel like the VP may have been one of the sources that helped give up Machado.

[Clay Travis]

I mean, it's, yeah, there's, we could, we could speculate. It's impossible to, to know the inner workings here of this stuff unless you were involved in this kind of an operation. I, I would say that on this front, though, the Iraq lesson is something that's very, I have a different view of. People bring up Iraq in the context of, oh, it's a quagmire. And we might get into quagmire. People are saying that, okay, you can always say that about pretty much any military intervention we take anywhere in the world. It could, it could always go wrong, it could always get worse. That's true, but that's not necessarily helpful or insightful. I think that the lesson we've learned in the, in the Iraqi context is the big mistake that was made early on. This was actually before I was in the Iraq office at the CIA. But the big, the big mistake was de ba'. Atification, right? Because that meant that whether you were like a traffic cop in a, you know, in doing the most basic stuff in Baghdad, all the way up to the Minister of Defense, you were now not allowed to be a part of the new governing. Ok, so basically everybody with training and a gun and any authority in the country was told, you got nothing to do, you have no source of income, go home and you know, pound sands.

[Buck Sexton]

Sand.

[Clay Travis]

Sand, yes. And, and the truth is that was a huge, huge, huge mistake. And we're not going to do that in Venezuela because I think we've learned that lesson, which is you work with. It's funny because Rumsfeld actually had a great insight about this. You go to war with the army, you have, you have, you have a new regime in Venezuela. With the pieces you've got in place. You don't try to build. This isn't. You break it, you buy it. The Colin Powell thing, this is. We have to work with the existing realities of power on the ground and use the leverage that we have. In this case, the huge leverage of you want to oil the flow or not, because that's. Without that, you guys got nothing. Basically your economy is on its ass and you can't pay your bills and you know, there's no food on the shelves. So we have tremendous leverage. And I think that leverage is of course economic, but then also on the security side, who, who really wants to play games with Amer with. When you just saw like imagine you are. Whether it's the VP or Clay, they got a cast of characters, man. The. The minister of defense is actually named for Vladimir Lenin. His name is Vladimir Padrino. His parents are such commies that they named him for Vladimir Lenin. He's a whack job. I think he has a 15 or $25 million bounty on his head. The minister of police basically like national police guy or internal security guy. He has a TV show that he runs.

[Buck Sexton]

This is true.

[Clay Travis]

A TV show where called the or.

[Buck Sexton]

Hit it with a Sledgehammer.

[Clay Travis]

Where he on TV talks about like politics and stuff and he has a bat with nails in it like the guy from the Walking Dead. Ok, These are the people that run this country. This guy of course been involved in all kinds of oppression. Do they want to be a part of. Of doing things better or do they want to get a knock on the door from Delta Force at 5am that's where they are.

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I also think if you combine Iran and Venezuela, you have these countries where the leadership has been telling the people for decades, generations now, hey, we are standing up to American imperialism. We're not going to be bullied by Israel, we're not going to be bullied by the West. And then they can't even keep their president from getting taken right out of his house and 32 of his top bodyguards being wiped out. And they can't stop their nuclear ambitions. They can't even stop America and Israel from flying over them. I think what we are seeing is a major geopolitical realignment. It feels early. You and I were kids in 1989 when the Berlin Wall came down. But man, when I look at these protests that are going on in Iran, when I see what's going on in Venezuela, when I see what's going on in Cuba, it feels like the forces of repression and the forces of socialism and communism are. Look, they've lasted maybe longer than people thought because there was the argument after 1989 that we had reached the end of history because country was effectively going to become a democratic republic, embracing capitalism because it is the best form of government for the overall freedom and financial success of everyone. That is a reality. But they've held on and it feels like Trump is maybe in a Ronald Reagan like fashion in standing up against it in a way that others have not been willing to and challenging it directly in a way that others have not been willing to, almost pushing these last vestiges of left wing excess off the, off the cliff. Am I crazy or do you see that? And I know Iran is different because it's a theocracy in many ways, but what it has in common is just a repression of people and a restriction of their ability to be exposed to the larger marketplace of ideas in the world. And it feels like they are all starting to crumble simultaneously based on the strength being shown by President Trump.

[Clay Travis]

I think they're being put on their back foot for sure. I mean, one of the, one of the stories that has come out of this raid is that the Chinese provision of seemingly or supposedly sophisticated surface to air missiles, air defense radars, including, or aerial defense radars, including anti stealth technology, things like that, were a total joke. So whatever the Chinese were giving the Venezuelans as their client state to help them protect their territory was a joke. And this certainly also affects thinking about something like a Taiwan situation where turning off the lights for the Taiwanese and you know, cyber and things like that, whole different level of complexity and ball game than doing it in Venezuela. So I'm going to start for the. Yeah, for the Taiwanese. So the Chinese would have their hands full on something like that. And clearly America still has some military advantages that allow us to do something like this. So I think that that's a, that's a, a lesson that a lot of our adversaries take out of this. But you know, look, Russia, as long as the world still runs on hydrocarbons, Russia is going to have tons of money, a big military, lots of nukes, and the ability to throw its weight around. China's a billion people and the second largest economy in the world. You know, these are taking a step back. Doesn't mean these places are about to fall or crumble. You think about something like the Assad regime, Clay, the Assad regime in Syria. It got to a point in 2011, 2012, where there were actually suicide bombers infiltrating like the inner Sanctum of the Assad regime. Like, they were right on the ropes. But you go back to the 80s and what was it? Tom Friedman with Hama rules and the leveling of Hama after an uprising there. These guys, these scumbag tin pot dictators, theocrats, whatever, all they really focus on is staying in power.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah.

[Clay Travis]

Because that's their whole. So even when everything around them is crumbling. Look at North Korea. Even when everything around them is crumbling and falling apart, even when by all rights and sanity, they shouldn't be able to hang on, they hang on. You know, this is what I. So I just don't want to get too far. Like, we've been talking about Iran falling for as long as I've been alive.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, yeah. And by the way, Maduro, to your point, Trump offered him a gilded existence in a foreign country. Turkey. Turkey's one of us, I think, where he could live in, you know, splendor and excess.

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[Clay Travis]

By the way, better weather than Russia. At least if you're along the coast, you go to, like, Izmir or something decent kebab. You get doner. Doner kebab with the yogurt. Very good.

[Buck Sexton]

Definitely better than a New York City prison.

[Clay Travis]

Better food than Russia, for sure. I. I wouldn't get that excited about the. The Assad move. Like, apparently he just plays FIFA, the soccer game.

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It's FIFA FC now. He plays like, soccer, video games all day in a. You see that in an apartment in Moscow.

[Buck Sexton]

Really, really funny.

[Clay Travis]

Moscow's cold in the winter, man. I take my eggs out. What would be your. If it had to be, like, you can't do, like, Switzerland or England or something. If you had to do a. A kind of adversary country, which Turkey's not really an adversary. They're kind of a midway pain in the butt for us. But, you know, they're an ally in some ways, too.

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[Clay Travis]

They're NATO. What would be your country of exile?

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, I would go to, like, the British Virgin Islands.

[Clay Travis]

No, no, that doesn't count. I'm talking about you got to go somewhere that has, like, no extradition treaty. Yeah, I don't know.

[Buck Sexton]

There's not that many. Great. Non. Extradition treaty.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, no, no, duh, buddy. Vietnam, I think, would be pretty high on my list. Vietnam. I like the food.

[Buck Sexton]

You know, you have to be concerned that they might, because, like, Vietnam has pretty good relations now with the United States. So you become an extraditable.

[Clay Travis]

They could offer you up. I mean, the only places where you are 100% not getting turned out if you are in the world, really are Russia and China, I think that's really it.

[Buck Sexton]

North Korea, if you could get in.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, I'm sorry. Yeah, North Korea, too. But the only places where there's zero chance that if they don't want you to get turned over, you're not getting turned over are those countries. You could say, oh, what about, like European allies? We can bring a lot of pressure.

[Buck Sexton]

To buy, I think, Russia. Look, whenever the Ukraine war ends, which I think will happen at some point in 2026, I think relations between Russia and the United States could be decent. I think you might start to have people just kind of get handed back and forth. I was reading a good story about Witkoff and his relationship with Putin and how that entire process came to be. When they got Fogle, I think was his name. The, the, the hostage. Putin just said, hey, I'll potentially give you Fogle, but you have to meet me one on one with no apparatus otherwise there at all. And Witkoff just said, okay, I'll do it. No preconditions. And, you know, he gets the former, what, Marine and American schoolteacher, Right. Who was otherwise been there for years.

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He's.

[Clay Travis]

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Back into Clay and Buck. Just a quick programming note. You know we have a YouTube channel, uh, it's Clay and Buck on YouTube and it's growing and growing and this year we're gonna be doing a lot more video. And let me give you a little a little teaser here. If you want to know how much Clay loves the Christmas season, just check out our YouTube channel today after you subscribe and see how his beard has gone fully white like Santa Claus. It's amazing he's decided, in solidarity with St. Nick, to have a almost entirely white beard. Clay, I am impressed.

[Buck Sexton]

I have not trimmed my beard since we left the air on December 19, so I let it go. Pretty substantial and it is super, super white. And also I'm told that I look, according to producer Ali, a bit like Kramer on Seinfeld when he was overly tan. At least based on the video footage right now. And I'm super tan because I was down in the Caribbean for for Christmas. But you'll only be able to see that if you go and subscribe to YouTube channel.

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Do you do you like to be called Father Christmas as part of the season? Do you wear a red suit? Like, how do you really engage with this big white beard?

[Buck Sexton]

Clay I'm a jolly fellow and I'm getting fatter, so this might be my future.

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