Weekly Review With Clay and Buck H2 - Invite Us on The View!

Summary

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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show — Weekly Review H2: "Invite Us on The View!"

Date: October 18, 2025
Podcast: The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
Hosts: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton
Episode Focus: Reviewing key topics in news, law, and politics with a blend of humor and sharp commentary, including the Supreme Court's approach to racial gerrymandering, debates over identity politics, and a lighthearted campaign to appear on ABC's The View.

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Episode Overview

This episode sees Clay and Buck dive deep into Supreme Court arguments on racial gerrymandering, critique “disparate impact” legal theories, and analyze shifting voting demographics. In true show style, the hosts also tackle pop culture by challenging The View to host them, poking fun at the reluctance of mainstream outlets to engage with conservative voices. The episode closes with discussions on the legal challenges to transgender athlete participation in women’s sports and the broader implications of these debates for American law and culture.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Supreme Court Oral Arguments: Racial Gerrymandering (02:50–16:48)

• Legal Background:

  • Clay explains the historic context behind the Voting Rights Act and why race-based districting was originally implemented to correct genuine abuse.
  • He asserts that the situation has evolved, saying “the precedent that made sense in 1965 doesn't make sense in 2025” (13:06).
  • The court is now considering the constitutional tension between old civil rights precedents (which allowed race-conscious districting) and the equal protection clause, which prohibits racial discrimination.

• Critique of Current Jurisprudence:

  • Clay argues that the continued use of racial gerrymandering is based on the outdated notion of black voters as a political monolith, increasingly disproved by current voting trends.
  • He references Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts: “The way to stop discriminating on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race” (16:48).

• Criticism of Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson:

  • Clay is highly critical of Justice Jackson’s analogies in court, comparing her reasoning to the logic used for the Americans with Disabilities Act:
    • “She’s saying black voters are the equivalent of disabled people…This is an incredibly strained and poor analogy” (08:06).
    • Clay: “I don’t think Ketanji Brown Jackson is in the top half of intelligent lawyers in America.” (08:48)
  • Buck notes: “I think Ketanji Brown Jackson doesn’t even understand the argument on the side. Honestly, that’s my…just listening to her talk about these things. She doesn’t get it.” (10:12)

• Broader Reflection:

  • Buck stresses the need to eliminate all racial set-asides: “We shouldn’t have racial entitlements masquerading as civil rights protections.” (11:07)
  • Both hosts argue that the “monolithic” nature of the black vote for Democrats is breaking down, citing Trump’s growing support among Black men (13:04).

Notable Quotes

• Clay: “The problem here was one that should and needed to be redressed…The problem is fixed. It no longer exists.” (13:06)
• Buck: “If a state is allowed to redistrict however they see fit…there shouldn’t be, ‘Oh we don’t have enough black majority districts in this state, so this map is unfair.’ No, I’m sorry. We either all live by the same rules or we don’t.” (12:00)

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2. Disparate Impact Legal Philosophy (15:22–16:48)

• The hosts address the idea that if a law produces different outcomes across demographic groups, it should be deemed suspect. They challenge this view:
  • Buck: “There’s a disparate impact between men and women in homicides. That doesn’t mean homicide laws are bad. It just means that more men kill people.” (16:09)
  • Clay: “That doesn’t mean that men are being targeted by homicide laws because men happen to be impacted by them more.” (16:19)

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3. Comic Relief: The Sausage Choking Incident (23:03–25:57)

• The hosts take a light break, laughing with callers about the dangers of choking on sausages and hot dogs, turning it into an impromptu public health PSA.
  • Buck: “Sausage is a choking risk. This is true…You got to be very careful.” (23:49)
  • Listener Pamela emails: “I’m in an IHOP…Almost spit out my coffee with your remark about the danger women may be in. Thank goodness I was only drinking coffee, not eating the sausage.” (25:18)

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4. The View: Open Challenge to Appear as Conservative Guests (25:57–30:09)

• The show’s producers have repeatedly pitched Clay and Buck as guests on The View, citing the show’s claims that Republicans are “afraid to come on.”
  • Clay reads from their July pitch email to The View and recounts producer Ali’s efforts to arrange an appearance:
    • “Conservative radio host Clay and Buck would like to pitch themselves as guests on The View.” (27:01)
    • Ali: “There was a quick response…saying they only had two more episodes to shoot so their schedule was full…I'll follow up in the fall.” (28:04)
  • Joy Behar (clip): “They don’t want to come on. They’re scared of us.” (27:24)
  • Clay and Buck make it clear they are eager to appear and not “afraid of powerful women.”
    • Buck: “Challenge accepted. Challenge accepted.” (27:48)
    • Clay: “Hey, since Trump’s brought back the hostages, here is a red MAGA hat. You can put that on for this entire segment to honor President Trump's great job in bringing back the hostages.” (29:07)

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5. Debate: Transgender Athletes and the Law (32:29–38:49)

• Clay plays a clip from a Democrat candidate for California governor on Piers Morgan’s show, pressed about the fairness of “gender-neutral” Olympic events.

  • Piers Morgan: “So you think that a woman should run against Usain Bolt in the 100 meters…you think that’s going to be a fair competition?”
    • Candidate: “I think it’s a conversation worth having…We need to understand what the attributes are of athletes across the spectrum.” (32:54)

• Buck and Clay highlight ongoing legal cases about the participation of transgender athletes in women's sports; discuss plaintiffs withdrawing cases to avoid Supreme Court rulings:

  • Buck: “The trans activists don’t want their day in court all of a sudden.” (36:29)
  • Clay: “The same logic of [the Tennessee] Scarmetti case is certainly going to apply in sports.” (35:35)

• On Biological Differences in Athletics:

  • Clay: “Every single Texas state champion ran faster speeds than the fastest women in the history of the Olympics…Every boy state champion in Texas is faster than the fastest woman that's ever existed.” (37:50)

Notable Quotes

• Clay: “You have to call these people out on the absurdity and really put them on the carpet here.” (46:01)
• Buck: “What is more troubling…if she believes this or if she knows it's a lie and says this?” (46:07)

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Notable Quotes & Moments by Timestamp

• On DEI and Supreme Court picks:
  Clay: “She is the quintessential DEI candidate.” (09:47)

• John Roberts’ famous line:
  “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” — cited by both Clay and Buck (16:48)

• Listener Humor:
  Pamela: “Almost spit out my coffee with your remark about the danger women may be in. Thank goodness I was only drinking coffee, not eating the sausage.” (25:18)

• On appearing on The View:
  Buck: “Challenge accepted.” (27:48)

• On the gender-neutral Olympics proposal:
  Piers Morgan to California candidate: “You think women could run against Usain Bolt, for example, at his peak? And that would be fair?” (45:46)

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Additional Segments and Running Gags

• Marketing Their Books:
  Both hosts promote their upcoming books — “Balls: How Trump, Young Men, and Sports Saved America” (Clay) and “Manufacturing Delusion” (Buck). (02:30–02:45)

• Playful Jabs at The View:
  Clay: “I don’t think Buck and I are afraid of powerful women.” (27:46)
  Buck (on Joy Behar): “She does look great for her age, though, to be fair.” (30:04)

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Episode Structure & Flow

• The episode flows quickly between high-level constitutional analysis, sharp (sometimes biting) humor, and pop culture, maintaining a conversational but analytical tone throughout. Clay provides in-depth legal analysis, Buck anchors the broader philosophical arguments, and callers/listeners supply comic relief.

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Takeaway

This episode encapsulates Clay and Buck’s signature blend of legal insight, political analysis, and unapologetic conservative humor. They argue that much of America’s legal and cultural framework should move past racial and gender-based preferences—citing evolving voting trends and the biological realities in sports. Their challenge to The View is both serious and playful, putting mainstream media’s gatekeeping on the spot. The hosts’ candor provides listeners—especially those who missed the live show—a full picture of national debates at the intersection of law, politics, and media culture.

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Transcript

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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. All right, you want some spice? I got to give you some spice. Right out of the break here. We're going to have some fun with the View, but I had them. I was trying to pay attention to the Supreme Court argument on racial gerrymandering that is happening today because I think it has the potential to be incredibly consequential and transformative to the political process in the country. And let me give you a one minute take on exactly what is at stake. Historically, black voters were suppressed from the polls prior to the civil rights movement in the South. That is not a historical fallacy. That is, in fact, historical truth. As a result, there was an entire line of jurisprudence dealing with voting rights that were trying to rectify the wrong of majority black voters in the south who were being restricted in many ways from poll access. Therefore, they did not have a substantial say in the Democrat process in many Southern states. That was wrong. That was before Buck and I were born. A long time before Buck was born, quite some time before I was born, since he is much younger than me. Um, but, but. So that process, unfortunately now has polluted the court rulings of the Supreme Court because we no longer, even though Democrats would like it to be the case, live in a world that is like 1965 or 1958 or, or 1948 or whatever year you want to go to in the south when black voters did not have the ability to get to the polls and vote for their preferred candidates. So they put in place this review of the voting process through the civil rights laws. Now, what you are seeing is that those precedents are actually extremely racist because they are predicated on the idea that black voters sort of monolithically and uniformly vote a certain way. And that is starting to crumble. And it also creates the civil rights era. Court decisions create tension with the equal protection clause that tries to treat everyone equally and does not allow race to be determined as a factor. So we have talked about this quite a lot already in the court system as it pertains to affirmative action, which the courts have ruled. Was I correct that John Roberts Is the one who said the way to stop discriminating based on race is by stopping to discriminate based on race. Did we get a fact check on that? I believe I'm correct. So we have seen in the world of colleges and universities the idea of your race as a dispositive factor when it comes to your admission is not actually permissible under our Constitution. And so there are still lots of ways that colleges and universities are trying to trick their way through that process. But it is not permissible to strictly have quotas, racial analysis, all of that. Okay. With that as a background, they now today are hearing an argument about that tension between the civil rights era precedence where race is allowed to be a predominant factor in the, in the gerrymandering of congressional districts and that tension with the equal, equal rights component, equal protection clause of, of, of our amendments in the post Civil War era. I think it's the 16th amendment. I've been a while since I passed the bar. How do you reconcile that? I think the Supreme Court is going to say racial gerrymandering is no longer allowed. I think it is the right decision. I think it is the appropriate decision decision. People on the left are up in arms about this. You're going to hear a lot about it. And Katanji, Brown, Jackson demonstrated and the futility of that argument by making that argument. I had them pull it to try to argue in favor of racism, to combat racism. Here's what she said.

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A kind of paradigmatic example of this is something like the ADA Congress passed the Americans with Disabilities act against the backdrop of a world that was generally not accessible to people with disabilities. And so it was discriminatory in effect because these folks were not able to access these buildings. And it didn't matter whether the person who built the building or the person who owned the building intended for them to be exclusionary. That's irrelevant. Congress said the facilities have to be made equally open to people with disabilities if readily possible. I guess I don't understand why that's not what's happening here. The idea in section two is that we are responding to current day manifestations of past and present decisions that disadvantage minorities and make it so that they don't have equal access to the voting system. Right. They're disabled.

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Okay, so what she analogized there, and I understand we're going into the weeds a little bit. Is she saying black voters are the equivalent of disabled people in that they have to be constantly considered because they are unable to vote as others would be able to vote Just as disabled people are unable to access. Now, this is an incredibly strained and poor analogy by her, and I think it's actually evidence that she is, frankly, I'm not sure, qualified in any way to be a Supreme Court justice. I don't think that Katanj Brown Jackson. Yeah, I don't think Ketanji Brown Jackson is in the top half of intelligent lawyers in America. And this is what happens when you say, I'm only going to pick someone based on their race and gender, which is what Joe Biden did with her. And then I don't think he picked the smartest black woman who is a lawyer in America to be his representative of black women. But in so doing, he excluded 95% of Americans. In fact, I would argue that the way that Joe Biden selected Ketanji Brown Jackson actually violates all of the precepts of the Constitution that she now is trying to argue should be continued to be in effect. In other words, she is the quintessential DEI candidate. And she, much like Sotomayor, I think regularly when they ask questions, evinces a very poor comprehension of the law. That is not in any way a strong left wing tenet. There are lots of people. Kagan, Buck Kagan's really smart. I don't agree with everything that most of what Elena Kagan says in her opinions, but she is of the left and she is a very smart person of the left. I do not think Sotomayor and Katanji Brown Jackson are even eloquent advocates of the positions the left would like to put out there. And this, I think, is evidence of that with her line of questioning.

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Well, yeah. I mean, Ruth Bader Ginsburg I disagreed with strenuously on a whole range of things, but she understood the arguments. She knew what the arguments of both sides were. I just don't agree with her analysis. And, you know, without getting into the specifics, I think Katanji Brown Jackson doesn't even understand the argument on the side. Honestly, that's my. Just listening to her talk about these things. She doesn't get it. But, you know, on the one hand, this is one of these. It's very complicated. It's VRA Section 2. It's history.

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And I understand people's eyes roll back into their head.

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Yes, it's very complicated, comma, but actually very simple. Right. There's the. You're doing the complicated legal analysis side of this. Clay gets excited about the law stuff. It's like we're back in law school, professor's walking around he says, Travis. Mr. Travis, did you do the reading last night? And you know, Clay's doing his thing. You always did the reading, Clay.

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We know you. I did. I loved. I love reading assignments. Yeah.

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So there's that part of it, but then there's this part of it. We just need to live in a country where we don't have racial set asides and entitlements for anybody at all, Period, full stop. And if there was ever a time where we had to make those arguments because of previous discrimination, or rather we made those concessions because we thought it would make things better, now we've reached a point where everybody should understand that that was a effectively temporary emergency measure and should no longer be the case. We should not have racial entitlements masquerading as civil rights protections. And that is what this is. If a state is allowed. If the people in a state are allowed to redistrict however they see fit, really, because it's left to the states. Here's the problem. It's almost like drawing the borders of a country.

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Yeah.

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What justifies the borders of a country? You know, it's a complicated thing, but really it's lines on a map. Then they fight over it and whatever. But there's not some. More like. The border between the U.S. and Canada is not a moral question. It's a political question. And it's one that we have solved with our northern neighbors. The borders of congressional districts in various states are left to the processes and the legislatures in those states. And everybody should just be playing by the same rules within that state. There shouldn't be a, oh, we don't have enough black majority districts in this state. So therefore this map is unfair because it is an equal protection clause violation. Because a lot of Republicans sit there and say, hold on a second, my vote has been nullified effectively by the state legislature. So why isn't it? Why is that? Okay, but overwhelmingly Democrat black voters in a lot of these states get to have a special protection. No, I'm sorry. We either all live by the same rules or we don't. The complex distilled down to the simple. I rest my case, counselor.

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I think you're right. And I think that's where we're headed. Let me add on a couple of layers here that are hopefully not super legal, nerd esque. The problem here was one that should and needed to be redressed. Right. The problem is the problem is fixed. It no longer exists. And so the precedent that made sense in 1965 doesn't make sense in 2025. I would also point this out. It is predicated on the idea that black voters are monolithic in the way that they vote. That is increasingly not the case. This is why I think it's significant that Donald Trump got 21% of Black men of their vote in 2024. One in five Black guys said Trump's my guy. A lot of black guys are listening to us right now that are a part of that team, and it's growing. And there are more. Some of you guys out there, you used to never be able to find another black Republican. Now one in five. I mean, I bet you're finding a lot more people that are open to your arguments. Black women, too. This has been applied, Buck, for Hispanic voters. Hispanic voters are basically now 50. 50. They're much more similar to white voters or Asian voters, where you don't have a strong sense of how somebody's going to vote based on their race and gender. If you see a white guy now, but somebody see a white chick wearing the Rachel Maddow specs, you probably got a pretty good chance, hey, that's a lib. Uh, but by and large, you see a white person, they could be conservative, they could be liberal, they could be. Who knows? They don't care about politics at all. Same thing is increasingly becoming true of Hispanic voters. As you know, because you live in Miami, Buck. There's also a huge difference between a Cuban voter and a recent immigrant from Mexico or Venezuela or the Hispanic voting bloc is actually very diverse, depending on where that Hispanic voter is from. The monolithic nature of black support for the Democrat party is crumbling. In times like these, they trot out someone like Ketanji Brown Jackson to argue not based on the law, but, oh, my goodness, based on the result of this case. It would be harmful politically to Democrats. And that is why she is a political actor more than she is a judge. And, and that is unfortunate.

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One of the arguments we make here, this goes to disparate impact, which is, I think, a inherently incorrect legal philosophy of, well, if the end result isn't the same among arbitrary distinctions that we're going to make between people, then there's something wrong with that law. If the law is universally applicable and everybody has to live under it, the outcome of that law does. And, you know, and the law is ethical and moral, the outcome of that law does not matter to me. Meaning. And this is where we get into there is a disparate impact. I know you love this argument. Been saying this for a long time, Clay. There's a disparate impact between men and women and homicides. That doesn't mean that homicide laws are bad. It just means that more men kill people.

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And that doesn't mean sexist in particular.

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Right.

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It doesn't mean that men are being targeted by homicide laws because men happen to be impacted by them more.

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So the fact of the matter is, if we're going to have a society where we don't have racial entitlements, we have to remove racial entitlements, including holdovers from the civil rights era, like Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act. And Clay, you were correct. It was John Roberts for the win. On to stop discriminating by race. Stop discriminating by race. That's pretty good. Alito is my favorite. So I thought it was going to be an Alito move, but it was actually Roberts. So good on you.

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Probably the best sentence of John Roberts career. The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race. I don't understand how that same logic does not govern when it comes to analyzing racial gerrymandering. And I hope John Roberts will apply the same principle in this case as he did in the. In the decision having to do basically with whether or not there can be affirmative action in schools. So that is going to be a huge decision. Maybe some of you are trying to face a huge decision. What do you do for the holiday season? I know I just said the holiday season and some of you are having alarm bells go off. But you know, it's basically two months till Christmas. Two months until Christmas. What are you going to do for Christmas? How about the dads and the granddads out there? How many of you are actually great gift gifts givers? I am not. I am not a good gift giver. I don't enjoy shopping, period. And I particularly don't try to enjoy shopping for so many other gifts. But you know what's a great gift that doesn't require you to shop at all. It just requires you to listen to this show and pull out your phones right now. Legacy box. You can preserve your family's history in time for the holidays. You can blow everybody away by being the thoughtful family member who ensures that your great aunt's old timey photos are digitized, that Grandma and Grandpa's VHS tapes are digitized, that the old slides, the old 8 millimeter reels, whatever family history you have, Legacy box is all about taking it and making sure it's preserved for generations to come. I visited their Chattanooga factory. They've got an incredible business. You send in your old photos, your old VHS tapes, your old 8 millimeters. Whatever family memories you have, they will digitize them and allow you to be able to share it with everyone. That photo from 1920, that VHS tape of Christmas 1988, that 8 millimeter film of Grandma and Grandpa going on their honeymoon. All of it can be preserved digitally forever. And right now you get 50% off. @legacybox.com Clay that's legacybox.com Clay to save 50%, you're going to love having your recorded memories preserved forever digitally. Easy to share with the grandkids, the great grandkids. So everybody knows the family history stories. Go legacybox.com clay 50% off. That's the legacybox.com clay.

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For Polish sausages, you of all people have to be concerned about choking.

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Well, I was going to say sausage is a choking risk. This is true. Hot dogs, actually. Cause look this up before you are snickering out there. Hot dog and sausage in particular. Choking wrist. Because you can bite off a piece of and it fits into the windpipe in very snug fashion. You got to be very careful, very care. You, you, you lock it up. Travis over there, you lock it up. All right, buddy. This is a public health announcement.

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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you and there's a lot of reactions pouring in. Pamela just said, I'm in an IHOP in Pen Cola having breakfast. Almost spit out my coffee with your remark about the danger women may be in. Thank goodness I was only drinking coffee, not eating the sausage. You have only yourself to blame, Buckster. So appreciate Pamela. I'm glad that she is still alive and there are, there are a lot of reactions rolling in. We are having a great deal of fun.

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Just trying to tell everybody, take your time, chew your foods. Very straightforward.

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Okay, let's go the the View. This is fun. Okay, so those of you who follow us on social media, as you all should be doing, you can find us at YouTube, you can find us at Twitter, Instagram, TikTok. I don't think there's a social media platform we're not on. Know that we have had a lot of fun with the View over the years and we just shared from producer Ali and producer Ali, you can come up if you want and tell the full story here. But a while back Ali said, hey, we'll invite you. We'll tell the View people, hey, Clay and Buck are happy to come on the show. So in July and I just shared this, this email from Ali to the View and I will read it for all of you. This is a producer at the View. Hi Laurie. Conservative radio host Clay and Buck would like to pitch themselves as guests on the View. They often play clips from the program on their nationally syndicated radio show. Granted, as a means to refute them and thought a sit down will be productive for both audiences since they come from two completely different perspectives. Buck lives in Miami and Clay lives in Nashville, but they'd be willing to travel to New York. Thank you for the consideration. This went out in July. Now, I'm going to pull Allie up in a sec, but first, here is Joy Behar saying, you know, the truth of the matter is Republicans won't come on the show. They're afraid to listen.

[G]

I think that we should have more Republicans on the show, but they don't want to come on. They're scared of us. It's like Marjorie Taylor Greene says that she finds the Republican men afraid of powerful women. Well, that may be true of all, all the political persuasions, but if they would come on this show and they can explain to us what they're trying to do to this.

[A]

Okay, I don't think Buck and I are afraid of powerful women.

[D]

Challenge accepted. Challenge accepted.

[A]

Let's go. All right, producer Ali, you have now written another email to the View reiterating. You can come up. But the email that I read you sent in July, was there a response to that email from the View?

[F]

Yes, actually, there was a quick response, very quick, saying they only had two more episodes to shoot, so their schedule was full and they wouldn't be back until the fall. At which point I said, okay, I'll follow up in the fall. And I followed up today, and I have, I'm waiting to hear back.

[A]

And you said, can I tell you something?

[E]

This is important.

[A]

We're happy to do it.

[D]

This is important. The View, according to Grok, has frequently had two guests on simultaneously. Two guests, including politicians, authors, actors, and even musical guests who are there as a duo. So I just want to be clear. There is no reason why they could not have a Clay and Buckathon on the View based on the established parameters they have for guests in the past. Because I don't want them throwing that at us either, like we can. Because if what they'll try to do, if it's just one of us, they're going to try to over talk and just have too many voices shouting at you at the same time.

[F]

Just make sure you bring that third hat.

[A]

Oh, I would bring a hat for Alyssa Farah Griffin and I would hand it to her and I would say, hey, since Trump's brought back the hostages, here is a red MAGA hat. You can put that on for this entire segment to honor President Trump's great job in bringing back the hostages.

[D]

I'm gonna tell you something. I think that she actually would be willing to wear the hat. I think that she worries that if she wore that hat, it would trigger other members of the table too much like they would. Even though she said this was the, the marker that she laid out there, I think she realizes that the rest of the table would throw a fit about it. They would. They have no, they have no sense of humor about it at all. By the way, Joy Behar has a writing team. They write all of her jokes. She's actually not that funny. She's not coming up with this stuff on the fly. If you watch her closely now, I'm throwing down the gauntlet a little bit. You watch her closely. She's trying to find ways to get in lines that have been written by her writers.

[A]

I, I will give this doesn't happen very often.

[D]

She does look great for her age, though, to be fair. Joy, you look great. I'm just saying.

[A]

Also, she is probably not aware of most of the guests, so she may think to herself when she says Republicans are afraid to go on the show because to be fair, people pitch themselves on this show all the time. I mean, producer Ali, you can say like, if people out there like, is this a common thing? I mean, we get pitches, hundreds of pitches a year. Speaker, two dozens a day of people who are saying, hey, we'd like to come on as a guest. So. And most of them, we never Buck. Neither Buck nor I are going and saying we can't have this person on. So I don't necessarily know that Joy is aware of the number of people who are reaching out that would be willing to come on. So when she's saying that she may actually believe, Buck, that she's being truthful. She is not, however, and we just, you know, we shared the so called receipts of, of the invitation that we put out there. Hey, we're happy to come on. And by the way, you know, we would have Alyssa on this show, you know, if they wanted to put a View member on this show to promote their show. I mean, we're not running and hiding from any of that. Speaking of running and hiding, though, Buck, you, you were talking about this a little bit earlier and we've got a couple of guests, by the way, coming in the third hour, our buddy Ryan Gardusky. We're going to talk about the absolute latest on Virginia, New York City and, and New Jersey as those elections get closer. Steve Hilton out in California to talk about the Katie Porter Insanity and the potential run there. I wanted to play this because this is one of the people that is running to be a Democrat nominee for California. When Gavin Newsom is forced to turn women himself out. And she went on Piers Morgan and the LA is going to have the Olympics in 2028. The Summer Olympics are taking place in Los Angeles. Should be awesome. It'd be a lot of fun to watch. But Piers Morgan asked this Democrat, California governor's candidate, hey, what do you think about the idea of trans women, that is men pretending to be women, being able to compete in the Olympics? And he followed up and I just want to play a cut from this because these people have lost their minds and they're totally trapped on this trans argument.

[H]

Listen, it seems to me like you would like to remove any sexual differentiation between the Olympic sports and let them all compete. It would be gender neutral, would it, if you were governor?

[C]

Well, again, I want to be sure that everyone has the ability to compete.

[A]

Right.

[H]

But would you have a gender neutral Olympics where you would have not. You wouldn't have male and female sport, then you just have one. One that everyone could join in?

[C]

Well, I don't think we're going to get that tomorrow, but I think it's a conversation worth having.

[H]

You think it's a conversation worth having where you have gender neutral Olympics?

[C]

Because we need to understand what the attributes are of athletes across the spectrum.

[H]

But you've already said that you understand the reason they separate the sexes is that men have a physical advantage over women.

[A]

He also, then maybe we can grab this because I think it really kind of brings it home. He says, wait, you think that a woman should run against Usain bolt in the 100 meters, the fastest man in the history of the world, and you think that's going to be a fair competition? And basically she says yes. She doesn't know. Maybe the woman would win. These people are crazy, Buck. And I don't know how they get off of this crazy train without having Supreme Court.

[D]

I think you're arguing you've already hit.

[A]

That's what it is.

[D]

It's. Well, by the way, there is. There are a few things that are making their way toward the Supreme Court right now. In fact, there is litigation out of. I think it's in. In Colorado. The case is Little v. Hecox. Maybe he Cox, but it's a transgender student who wanted to be on the girls cross country team and this. And brought suit back in 2020.

[A]

Really?

[D]

At the peak of this.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Wanted to join. Oh, yeah. This is no, it's Idaho. That I said Colorado. Sorry, Idaho. Idaho, Boise State. So it's college. It's college level. And wanted to be on the women's college cross country team. Sued, sued and a 9th Circuit judge ended up getting involved in this. And now it's law. Without getting too deep into the weeds on this, the situation is that the original plaintiff is trying to tried to withdraw his case as a. Her tried to withdraw the case, Clay, because they don't want the Supreme Court to actually take this up. Yeah. And a federal judge just today, Judge Nye, who was a Trump appointee said, oh no, you're not doing this. You know, hide the football situation here. You wanted to bring a federal lawsuit about discrimination saying that you're actually to be treated as a woman. We're taking, we're taking this thing on like, let's go. And now it looks like the Supreme Court is eventually going to be taking this up. And I think they're going to have to weigh in on. No, men are men and women are women and we're allowed to make different decisions about the two in law. As a matter of law.

[A]

There is a going to give them credit here. Great long form piece in the New York Times recently looking at the Scarmetti case. Jonathan Scarmetti is the Attorney General of the state of Tennessee. The Supreme Court came out and said that the state can restrict this so called gender affirming care for minors, that there is a state interest. And the trans community is in a panic because they thought that they were going to be able to win these cases basically that the trans treatments and all this stuff on minors is actually okay. And instead they're losing. And what you just pointed out is an important point. They're now trying to avoid giving the Supreme Court an opportunity to strike down a lot of the state laws. And so they're trying to pull back now because they're like, oh my goodness, the same logic of Scarmetti is certainly going to apply in sports.

[D]

That's right. The trans activists don't want their day in court all of a sudden.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

Isn't that so interesting to see?

[A]

They want to rely, and this goes into the Weeds book, they want to rely like the 9th Circuit and some of the liberal circuit courts without having to get a nationwide ruling so that in California and Oregon and Washington the crazy arguments can prevail instead of the Supreme Court slapping it down.

[D]

So I'm very familiar with this tactic, Clay, because as a longtime New York City and New York State resident, particularly on The New York City side, this is the game they used to play all the time. They would, they did flatly unconstitutional things when it came to firearms. And then the moment somebody brought legislation, they would change it and then they would do something else flatly on, you know, the $500 fee to be a, to be not a concealed carrier, to be a premise permit holder. They would just use the system in bad faith to do things that they knew were unconstitutional. And instead of actually, and allowing the system to then say, no, you're disrespecting the rights, the two way rights of people in New York City, they would pull it and then it's moot. And they would argue it's moot. That's what this trans athlete in Idaho is trying to do. And this, thank heavens this Trump appointee has said, no, no, no, you brought it, now we're going to finish it, we're going to do, we're going to see where this actually goes.

[A]

Yeah, and it's not going to go a good place for all these people. But I mean, this woman is trying to become the Democrat nominee for California and her argument is we don't really know whether men are faster than women or not. To put this into context for you, Buck, every single state high school champion in Texas last year for track and field. Every single boy, these are, you know, 18 and younger boys, 15 to 18 year old boys. Every single Texas state champion ran faster speeds than the fastest women in the history of the Olympics. So we're not even talking about, I think Florence Griffith Joiner, Flo Jo is still the fastest woman of all time. Every Texas high school state champion at all district levels smoked Flo Jo. So we're not even talking about men versus women on the best men in the world. We're talking about the state of Texas by itself. Every boy state champion is faster than the fastest woman that's ever existed in the history of the world.

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Start your 7 day free trial today. Offers are subject to change. Go to Fox one for complete terms and conditions. Fox One we live for live streaming now. All right, welcome back in everybody to Clay and Buck. We got some great guests coming up the next hour. Friend Ryan Garduski on Virginia, New Jersey, New York City, all those races which are going to be determined here in just a couple of weeks. So it is prime time on those election cycles. We'll also talk to Steve Hilton about California, the plans of Gavin Newsom, the failures of Gavin Newsom on policy and so much more. So we've got a big, a big hour that will be coming your way. I want to tell you to drink some Crockett coffee, everybody. Don't forget, subscribe. Great thing to get into, especially as it gets a little colder in parts of the country. You get that hot Crocket coffee going for you in the morning. Get that pioneer spirit in every cup. Crockettcoffee.com and Clay, your book's gonna be out next month so we gotta do a new Crockett subscriber signed book thing.

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Yep. And if you can go buy balls, which I'm sure the ladies of the View already have on the reading list. Very easy to find. That is right. B A L L S Balls. If you type in Clay, Travis and balls, I think you'll be safely able to click on click on the resulting.

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Maybe go into Amazon First, I'm not sure. Maybe go Google with that one. Go to Amazon first.

[A]

And, and, and I'm telling you, I think you guys will enjoy it. By the way, producer Greg grabbed that clip, which again, I think I give credit to media that now are pushing past the opening question because what it eventually leads to, if you have a genderless Olympics, then you have to believe that a woman could beat Usain Bolt in 100 meter race. And that's exactly where Piers Morgan went. This is one of the candidates to be the California Democrat nominee. Listen to this actual conversation.

[C]

I think you can see female athletes where, particularly in track and field where agility is probably.

[H]

Hang on. Are you suggesting that women. So hang on. You think that women could, could compete against men in track and field? Like in 100 meters, 200 meters, 10,000 meters deep, perhaps?

[C]

You know, I'm not a sports expert.

[H]

Oh, of course they couldn't. Have you seen the, have you seen the times that women and men record in the Olympics for all track and field events? Have you watched Usain Bolt when he smashed the world record for the 100 meters?

[C]

Yes, yes.

[H]

So you think women could run against Usain Bolt, for example, at his peak? And that would be fair, I think.

[C]

Look, I'm just going to say this. There's a lot of misinformation about the ability of transgender.

[H]

That wasn't my question.

[A]

So, I mean, again, you have to call these people out on the absurdity and really put them on the carpet here.

[D]

What is more troubling, Clay, if this woman that Pierce is talking to, who wants to be obviously a powerful person in California, if she believes this or if she knows it's a lie and says that this.

[A]

Which is worse the second, because you're a moron if you believe it, but at least you're being honest in your belief, it doesn't mean that you should be.

[D]

Better to be a.

[A]

Better to be honest than intentional liar. I think that's a tough, that's a tough balance. And some of you are going to say, Clay, you're both. We'll take some of those talk backs. But yeah, I think this woman's more moron than intentional liar. You guys may disagree more with us next. Take a deep dive into the stories making the news headlines across the world.

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