Weekly Review With Clay and Buck H2 - Republicans Stay at Hotels, Too

Summary

The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

Episode: Weekly Review With Clay and Buck H2 - Republicans Stay at Hotels, Too
Date: January 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode centers around shifting corporate attitudes in America, the political implications of brands taking sides, and current events in international relations. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton dive into a recent controversy involving Hilton Hotels and ICE agents, discuss the long-term impact of the Bud Light boycott, explore themes of masculinity in politics, and analyze American foreign policy through both listener questions and their own spirited banter. The tone remains sharp, irreverent, and geared toward entertaining conservative listeners.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Hilton Hotel Controversy & Corporate America’s Culture Shift

[02:34 - 07:00]

• Incident Recap: Clay details reports that a Hilton-branded hotel canceled reservations for ICE (Immigration Customs Enforcement) personnel, allegedly based on their affiliation with the agency.

  • “There was this report out about a Hilton hotel that had turned, not just refused to take a reserve, but canceled active reservations of a, of some ICE contingent.” – Clay Travis [02:47]

• Corporate Response: Hilton reacted rapidly, denying any policy against ICE, blaming a franchisee, and severing the relationship within 24 hours.

  • “They said the, it's a franchisee...Hilton came out...to just say, you know what? This franchisee told us they fix it. They didn't fix it. They're no longer a Hilton hotel. This was in less than 24 hours.” – Clay Travis [04:37]

• Bigger Trend: Both hosts note this swift corporate response marks a shift from previous years where brands might have sided with progressive causes or tried to let such controversies fade.

  • “The days of half the country sitting back quietly and letting that stuff fly are long since gone.” – Clay Travis [05:14]
  • “This is the legacy of Bud Light which is why I think the Bud Light story is going to linger for years and years to come.” – Buck Sexton [05:25]

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2. Bud Light Backlash and “Republicans Buy Sneakers, Too”

[05:25 - 07:00]

• Legacy of Boycotts: The hosts connect Hilton’s reaction to the enduring consequences of the Bud Light backlash, emphasizing that brands now carefully avoid alienating conservative customers.

• Michael Jordan Reference:

  • “Michael Jordan had it right...Republicans buy sneakers too. That means that maybe he had Democratic leanings but he wasn’t going to get involved.” – Buck Sexton [05:40]
  • “If I ran a company...why would you alienate half the country? It never made any sense to me.” – Clay Travis [06:11]

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3. Culture Wars: Masculinity, Brand Messaging, and Political Identity

[10:42 - 12:09]

• Bud Light & UFC: The hosts discuss Bud Light's attempts to repair its image through marketing with the UFC and other traditionally “masculine” sports.

  • “The most toxic thing that you can have if you are a brand...trying to appeal to men is the idea that you're cool with dudes pretending to be chicks. Like, and everybody just said, yeah, we're not going to do this, and stop drinking the beer almost overnight.” – Buck Sexton [10:45]

• Masculinity Problem for Democrats: Clay asserts Democrats struggle with masculinity as a political issue.

  • “Why do the Democrats have such a problem with masculinity? ...If you sit there and you have him say in earnestness, not ironically...I'm a male feminist and I believe that men don't have an advantage over women in sports. You instantly think this guy is a wuss.” – Clay Travis [11:12]

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4. Economics: Tariffs, National Debt, and "Common Sense"

[12:09 - 15:15]

• Tariffs Revisited: Buck references a Wall Street Journal piece suggesting Trump’s tariffs have not led to the high inflation economists predicted.

  • “There is no evidence...that inflation follows tariffs, despite the fact that every economist in the country told you...if Trump does these tariffs, then inflation's going to go through the roofs. And they were wrong.” – Buck Sexton [12:14]

• Modern Monetary Theory: The hosts criticize the idea that government can print unlimited money without consequences, referencing US debt and inflation under Biden.

  • “If you can print any money and it doesn't matter...we should just set up for every American a bank account, put a million dollars in it.” – Clay Travis [13:33]

• Common Sense Argument: Buck frames tariffs and fiscal policy as a matter of "normie" common sense.

  • “Why is everyone else doing this if it's so stupid? Every other country in the world, some, like China, doing it very aggressively and getting very rich while they do so.” – Buck Sexton [14:57]

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5. Listener Call-Ins: Foreign Policy and Historical Analogies

[21:15 - 33:37]

• Monroe Doctrine and Greenland: Listeners raise questions about American influence in Greenland, China’s Arctic ambitions, and how international law is often shaped by power.

  • “Is international Law real? Or is international law just what the consensus pushed by the countries that can do so is called?” – Clay Travis [22:50]

• Venezuela, Taiwan, Ukraine: Discussions explore the legitimacy of US action abroad, sovereignty, and how "realpolitik" often trumps legal principle.

  • “There are countries that can do things and countries that have to pretend that there is some governing body deciding what countries will do.” – Buck Sexton [23:08]
  • “Do not quote laws to men with swords.” – Citing Pompey Magnus [30:54]

• Manny Machado / Maduro Mix-up: A lighthearted moment where a listener confuses the Venezuelan leader with the baseball player.

  • “Manny Machado has not been arrested. He is still a really talented baseball player. We did get Maduro, though.” – Buck Sexton [29:49]

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6. Borders, Sovereignty, and Greenland

[33:22 - 38:37]

• Greenland Sale Hypotheticals: The hosts explore what it would mean for the US to buy Greenland, referencing history, mineral rights, and the relative lack of Danish investment.

  • “The mineral rights alone and fishing rights, things like that, that would cede to the United States if Greenland were to become US sovereign territory...would be great for them, but a pittance for us in terms of the long term implications of this.” – Clay Travis [34:39]

• Treaty of Kiel Listener Correction: A listener provides detailed historical information about Greenland’s status.

  • “Citizens of Greenland are full citizens of Denmark and the EU. This is a result of the Treaty of Kiel in 1814. And the comment about NATO is just complete nonsense.” – Listener TB from Cincinnati [33:37]

• Viking Humor: Clay and Buck joke about historical “marketing” by Vikings and briefly riff on movie quotes (“Samsonite. I was way off.”) for inside jokes with the audience. [37:38]

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7. Light Segment—“Which State Would You Sell?”

[39:17 - 40:45]

• Playful Debate: The hosts muse about which US state they’d hypothetically trade away for another territory.
  • “If we had to give up one state, if we had to trade for better territory, I think that New Mexico is the easy choice.” – Buck Sexton [39:59]
  • Clay jokes about not wanting to offend local affiliates before the bit is cut off by a break.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Corporate Backlash:

  • “The days of half the country sitting back quietly and letting that stuff fly are long since gone.” – Clay Travis [05:14]

• On Bud Light Fallout:

  • “I think this is the legacy of Bud Light...the Bud Light story is going to linger for years and years to come.” – Buck Sexton [05:25]

• Masculinity and Politics:

  • “If you sit there and you have him say in earnestness...I'm a male feminist...You instantly think this guy is a wuss.” – Clay Travis [11:12]

• Common Sense Politics:

  • “This is where common sense is seemingly less common than we would want it to be.” – Clay Travis [13:33]

• On Foreign Policy Realism:

  • “Do not quote laws to men with swords.” – Pompey Magnus, quoted by Clay Travis [30:54]

• Sovereignty Humor:

  • “If China came along and said, hey, we are just going to buy New Jersey...As a New Yorker, I don't know. I think New Jersey would do okay.” – Clay Travis [39:23]

• Playful State Banter:

  • “If we had to give up one state...I think New Mexico is the easy choice.” – Buck Sexton [39:59]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Hilton/ICE/Hospitality Culture Shift: 02:34 – 07:00
• Bud Light, Brand Politics, and Masculinity: 07:00 – 12:09
• Tariffs, Economics, and "Common Sense": 12:09 – 15:15
• Listener Q&A (Greenland, Monroe Doctrine, Realpolitik): 21:15 – 38:37
• States-for-Territory Hypotheticals: 39:17 – 40:45

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Tone and Style

The show maintains its familiar blend of humor, culture-war commentary, policy critique, and occasional lighthearted pop culture references. The interplay between Clay and Buck keeps the energy brisk and irreverent, especially in their handling of both serious and comical audience interactions.

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For Listeners:

This episode is a showcase of how shifting consumer activism has reset the rules for corporate America, how politics and masculinity are entwined in the culture wars, and how history, law, and power shape today’s foreign policy debates—all delivered with the show’s signature edge and wit.

Transcript

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome in everybody, to the second hour of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show. You know, Clay, sometimes it's funny because I have in my head a story.

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That I think we're going to end.

[Clay Travis]

Up talking about and then it changes rapidly because of events. And one of those unfolded in the last 24 hours where there was a report out there because you could say an allegation that a Hilton branded hotel was canceling the reservations of anybody who works for Immigration Customs Enforcement. Just like everyday folks, government employees, when they travel to places they don't have homes, everywhere they stay in hotels. And there was this report out about a Hilton hotel that had turned, not just refused to take a reserve, but canceled active reservations of a, of some ICE contingent. And it came from, I believe officially or initially the official DHS account saying this, that this happened. So they go right to the people with this stuff now. I mean, this Trump administration doesn't hold back. It was amazing to see how quickly, to Hilton's credit now I think they understand what's at stake here. But Hilton hotels, man, they were the comms, they were on it. They right away, publicly, this is absolutely not our policy. We would never do such a thing. We are, we are open as a hotel for all who wish to stay. And you know, they, they went and they said, we are looking into this right away. And then they said the, it's a franchisee. People forget this, that there's often, you know, these big brands, you have to play by certain rules, but you're a franchisee, so you independently operate it under the overall corporate umbrella. So there's kind of limited, there's not really direct oversight. There's some oversight, but it was a franchisee hotel. And Hilton, you see this, the latest autoclave was at Hilton hotels came out, I think it was either last night or early this morning to just say, you know what? This franchisee told us they fix it. They didn't fix it. They're no longer a Hilton hotel. This was in less than 24 hours. I just think that this is indicative of how much the vibe, as the kids say, has changed now in corporate America, where the second that anyone starts to get a whiff that you think that half the country should go stuff it and that they're, you know, you don't want their business if they're going to vote for Trump or whatever. Oh, the days of half the country sitting back quietly and letting that stuff fly are long since gone.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, I think this is the legacy of Bud Light which is why I think the Bud Light story is going to linger for years and years to come. Look, Michael Jordan had it right Buck. Republicans buy sneakers too. Back in the day, they tried to get Michael Jordan to be super political. And he said, no, I'm not going to do that. And he gave the quote, republicans buy sneakers too. That means that maybe he had Democratic leanings but he wasn't going to get involved. And as a result, you know what the legacy of Michael Jordan is? He's the most popular athlete in the entire country. Still, he sells more Jordans his sneakers than any current NBA player does combined. The Air Jordan brand is more valuable than every current NBA player combined. Tiger woods took the same approach. Tiger woods basically said, look, I want to be the greatest golfer that has ever lived. Now he didn't beat Jack Nicklaus in overall majors. I think he just turned 50. Happy birthday, Tiger Woods. You're listening. And, and Tiger made the decision that, that he wanted to have the same level of appeal. And I just, it seems very basic to me. If I ran a company that was desirous of, of, of, of trying to appeal to everyone, which most companies are, why would you alienate half the country? It never made any sense to me. It always seemed like a really short sighted plan.

[Clay Travis]

I just thought it was so interesting because, and I pulled this up. It was from the official Homeland Security account initially. And, and so Homeland Security account called this out like the comms for DHS said we're getting reports about this and they called it no room at the Inn, all in caps. And Hilton, you know, there, there was a time, there was a time when I think at best what you could hope for would have been the overall. Now Hilton is a true global brand and you know, it's been around a long time and so people know it. There was a time when I think the best you could have hoped for would have been we have, you know, read this report and we're going to look into it and they would sort of just hope that it goes away and that's it. Maybe they would have even gone in the other direction and said, you know, well, we believe that like, you know, in borders, that borders shouldn't exist and all people are people and no one is illegal. There was a time when some corporations in recent memory would have done that. I think major corporations, I think like, you know, Disney might have done that depending on the day. But in this case, Hilton came out with right away like all that they could bring to the public conversation about this to squelch this story and set it straight and say, we absolutely do not do this, would not do this, and we will hold those who do it under our banner accountable. That is. You know, we've started to get a little used to this, guys. It's only been a year. That is a massive, massive corporate sea change in attitude and behavior from a big brand like that, when clearly this is because it's Trump's ice, Trump's policies. That's the whole thing. Under the Biden administration, you know, people even still thought they could get away with all kinds of nonsense like this.

[Buck Sexton]

I think it's also reflective of an unfortunate reality, which is most business leaders are cowards. And they go whatever the direction is that the wind is blowing. And for a long time, the way that they would lose their jobs was by not seeming left wing enough. So if you remember in 2020, in the summer, remember when every brand that you ever bought anything from suddenly had to email you to let you know what they thought about Black Lives Matter, and you were sitting around and you were just like, hey, I just want to buy some kitty litter. I don't need to know what my pet company, pet food company thinks about geopolitics. And yet everybody felt compelled to send you those messages. A lot of those same CEOs knew it was BS then, but they were concerned about protecting their own jobs now because Trump won, they can go back and try to address what they knew to be ridiculous for a long time. And I think the math on it was, is pretty clear, right? I mean, if you're Hilton or Hyatt, I always get those two mixed up. I don't know which. I can't tell the difference. Probably not helping me for, for us getting a big hotel chain sponsorship here, but you should want everybody under the sun. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, people who don't vote. Everybody should be your target market. And I give them credit. I think you're right. They, they looked into this, they got back to it fast. And they said, we're not going to allow this to occur. This guy is no longer one of our franchisees.

[Clay Travis]

The people who decided to send Bud Light a message to your point, message received by corporate America. It just doesn't Bud Light now. Who do they. The mma. And they've gone out like some right wing.

[Buck Sexton]

It still hasn't come back because. And maybe it's going to take years.

[Clay Travis]

No, no, but I just mean that the steps.

[Buck Sexton]

They spent God knows how much money on the ufc. They have spent God knows how much money. I mean, you can't watch in a college football or NFL game without Bud Light commercials everywhere. Look, the most toxic thing that you can have if you are a brand that is, that is trying to appeal to men is the idea that you're cool with dudes pretending to be chicks. Like, and everybody just said, yeah, we're not going to do this, and stop drinking the beer almost overnight.

[Clay Travis]

Well, you can unpack this really quickly, right? Why do the Democrats have such a problem with masculinity? This was the big question going into the last election because the polling, the data, it all showed that that is, that is an issue for them. If you have a guy, I don't, I don't care who it is, you can have a, a, you know, a jacked three tour Super Soldier, you know, you know, like, whatever. The ultimate in masculinity is in your mind. If you sit there and you have him say in earnestness, not ironically or kidding, I'm a male feminist and I believe that men don't have an advantage over women in sports. You instantly think that this guy is a wuss.

[Buck Sexton]

Instantly, yes.

[Clay Travis]

There's no way around this. It doesn't matter who you are. It doesn't. You can have the top, you know, NBA or NFL athlete in the world, sit down, look you in the face and say that. And you're like, oh, so you're just a coward. So you actually don't have balls. To borrow from a great book, you don't have balls.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, it is. And I think it's why it had such cultural resonance in 2024, because most people, it's very complicated what the tax code should be. We were talking about off air. It looks like Trump was right about tariffs. There now is a huge study I'm reading in the Wall Street Journal this morning as I'm getting ready saying, actually, we went back and looked at 100 plus years of data and there is no evidence of a substantial degree that inflation follows tariffs, despite the fact that every economist in the country told you, oh my God, if Trump does these tariffs, then inflation's going to go through the roofs. And they were wrong. And a lot of economists, they're looking around saying now, like, how do we all get this so wrong? And, and by the way, a lot of the same economists said we could print as much money as possible. Remember, Buck, it wasn't very long ago, 2021, when they suddenly said, hey, modern monetary theory is this new thing and there's no cost associated with just printing way more money. And we, we, you and I remember coming on saying, I, you know, I think there's actually pretty good history that when you print too much of your currency, that the value collapses. And there was this idea out there that Biden bought into that you could basically print as much money and there were going to be no consequences when it came to inflation. And then, boom, within a year, we're at 9%, and we're still trying to deal with the fact of that incompetence.

[Clay Travis]

This is where common sense is seemingly less common than we would want it to be. If you can print any money and it doesn't matter and you'll just deal with it and you'll buy whatever you want and get whatever you want with it, we should just set up for every American.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

A bank account. Put a million dollars in it.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

[Clay Travis]

If that's a problem, why is it a problem? Well, once you establish why that's clearly a problem, you understand why soon to be $40 trillion in debt and spending trillions more than we take in every year is also a problem.

[Buck Sexton]

Right.

[Clay Travis]

So it's very straightforward stuff. On the tariffs issue, I will apply the same common sense. This is what we kept saying on the show, Clay. Okay, somehow every other country in the world, every other Canada, the uk all the other countries in the world, including the ones that are closest to us culturally, legally, et cetera, have tariffs in place. Why is it that they're so dumb that they just want to do something that doesn't benefit them and raises prices for them for no apparent reason? Now, you can say, oh, no, Buck, we recognize that. No, no, the people who were anti tariffs suggested there was really no upside to it either, that it was just a bad idea. It was just downside. You don't even really protect effectively because the global marketplace, your domestic industry. But, Clay, I go back to the common sense man, the normie, if you will. The same normie that's asking, are Democrats just wrong about everything? Narrator, voice yes, they are. Why is everyone else doing this if it's so stupid? Every other country in the world, some, like China, doing it very aggressively and getting very rich while they do so.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. No, I mean, look, this is. Now, here's the downside. I do think the Supreme Court might say the president doesn't have authority to implement all of the tariffs that he has implemented. So, like, we can sit here and say Trump was right about the tariff front again, and he's bringing in. I think he's on pace now to bring in $600 billion in tariff revenue in 2026 if the tariffs were allowed to continue. And he was going to put that money towards helping to pay down the debt. And by the way, 4.3% growth at the end of the third quarter as we're headed into the end of 2024, 2025, sorry. There is the possibility out there that with if growth is around 5% that I don't know I've heard anybody else say this, that the budget could start with in conjunction with the tariffs, that the budget could start to come close to being balanced in 2026 and 2027. Now that's a very positive that's if the economy continues to expand, it continues to grow and the Supreme Court says the tariffs are allowed to be upheld. I'm not convinced that they are. And so that could turn into a huge mess because how do you give back all the money that was, that was taken in through the tariffs? I mean, I think that's one of the challenges the Supreme Court is grappling with as they try to break down that going forward. In the meantime, tap to Pay Popular way to pay with a credit card it's store cyber scram scammers out there. They're using tech that allows them to read credit card data. It's a tactic known as ghost tapping. They can steal your financial info without your knowledge. Cyber threats are everywhere. That's why LifeLock monitors hundreds of millions of data points a second for identity threats, which is way more than anyone can do on their own. You want lifelocks online identity theft protection? In this day and age, if you do become a victim of identity theft, you get your own lifelock restoration specialist who will fix identity theft guaranteed or your money back. Your protection backed by LifeLocks million dollar protection package. Join now, say 40 off your first year with my name Clay as the promo code. Call 1-800-LIFELOCK or go online to lifelock.com you'll be protected in minutes once you provide them with the right info. Remember my name, [e-mail] or when you talk to agents at 1-800-lifelock terms apply. Want to be in the know when you're on the go the Team 47 podcast drop highlights from the week, Sundays at noon Eastern in the Clay and Buck podcast feed. Find it on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Buck Sexton]

Welcome back in Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show Appreciate all of you hanging out with us on this Tuesday edition of the program. Let's get to a couple of your calls quickly. I mentioned that we would do that. Gene in Denver, what you got for us?

[Caller]

Wondering how come the Monroe Doctrine doesn't.

[Clay Travis]

Apply to Greenland with Denmark being in.

[Caller]

Europe and same thing with China and Russia and Venezuela.

[Buck Sexton]

I think you're right. I mean, I think if you're going thank you for the call. If you're going to argue that the Don Row Doctrine is a modification or extension of the Monroe Doctrine. For those of you out there who I think was 1822, James Monroe officially put out the Monroe Doctrine, then I think you could certainly argue that it is included in in Greenland. And I was reading, Buck, there's a big story about how China now has got the nuclear submarine technology to be traversing underneath the Arctic ice in the North Pole. And I think Trump is actually quite correct in that as more and more they're able to send different ships through the Arctic Circle, Greenland's going to become more and more valuable.

[Clay Travis]

You know, if you're talking about geography as deterministic here in some way, though, Canada is like 20, 2200 miles from Greenland and Denmark is like 2200.

[Buck Sexton]

It's not your stuff. It's kind of equidistant, right? I mean, that's where they stop off a lot of times to refuel on when they had to make their trips.

[Clay Travis]

Greenland's off, on off on its own. And so it's a little it feels a little more up for grabs geographically. And I think you brought up, you know, China, Taiwan. And you know, in that in that circumstance, China obviously thinks that it does own Taiwan just because and the Taiwanese have been living under a different regime actually for quite a long time and have a very different view of it. But this is where you start to get into is international Law real? Or is international law just what the consensus pushed by the countries that can do so is called? Meaning that if you have the power to do it, you do it and you call it international law because you can? I think, unfortunately, that's more true than anybody. Not. Not necessarily unfortunately, but realistically, that's more true than most people want to believe. Clay, There are countries that can do things and countries that have to pretend that there is some governing body deciding what countries will do. If you're looking for a bigger credit card bill this month following the holidays, or rather, if you already have one, you're probably not looking for one. But if you have a bigger one, how about I save you some money? This is a great idea. Saving your money with Pure Talk save you at least 50 bucks a month, and that's at least $600 a year annualized. Switching to Pure Talk saves 50% or more without sacrificing any service quality. And their customer support is fantastic. I've got a Pure Talk phone. My primary cell phone is Pure Talk. They do a great job. I have used their customer service in the past. I've traveled internationally. They've hooked me up and made sure that I'm good to go. Pure Talk is the best in the business. They're aligned with your values and they're going to save you a lot of money. You can get talk, text and data for just 20 bucks a month. When you dial £250 and say clay and Buck, all you have to do to switch to Pure Talk is dial pound250, say Clay and Buck, Pure Talk US customer service team will help you switch. Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. We've got some talkbacks and things to dive into with all of you. We are excited to do so. And also I do want to talk some Mamdani Venezuela commies. Not going well for them. Mamdani, the New York commie mayor of New York City. Now, not a good thing. Not a good thing. Very concerning. I've got family in New York still. I would like New York to be great. Unlike Clay, I do not. I do not relish the prospect of Manhattan island just sinking into the socialist abyss as some kind of a lesson or a cautionary tale for the rest of America. Clay.

[Buck Sexton]

All right.

[Clay Travis]

You know what will happen to Tim Walsh's Broadway if Manhattan sinks into the abyss? It will be very, very sad in so many different ways. So we've got all this stuff to dive into, and we will shortly here, but let's do some of your. Some of your talkbacks, which are, dare I say, fabulous. Let's start with we didn't do AA yet, did we?

[Buck Sexton]

We haven't hit any of the talkbacks anything.

[Clay Travis]

All right, aa Hit it. Hey, Clay and Buck, quick question on Maduro. This is just a general legal question. What gives us the right to convict someone of another sovereign country and go take them? That would stop another sovereign country from making a law convicting, say, Trump and coming and taking him. Thanks for your feedback. The, the, the answer is we're America and they're not, as in, we have extraterritoriality for US Federal law, which means that as far as we're concerned, if you violate. Now, there are a lot of places where U.S. jurisdiction, you know, we don't think that we have federal law jurisdiction in downtown Moscow for whatever's going on, but an American citizen who does something in Russia, we, We will hold them to account. Right. We have a system whereby if you violate our laws against the United States or its people, we claim the right to, to bring justice to you. So that, that's a long way of saying Maduro was selling drugs in the United States. Doesn't matter. Allegedly. I don't think Maduro is going to sue me for saying that. But anyway, allegedly. And the truth is, we don't care that he was. Even if he was the lawful president of another country, Clay, we might just say, you know what, Sorry, you're selling drugs into our country. There's no exception or exemption to US Law because you're important in some other country.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, Look, I mean, in many ways is real politic and power. You know, there could be and there has been suggestions, oh, we should charge Trump with war crimes. Right. I mean, there's been that suggestion out there. The reality is they're not going to be able to come get Trump and they're not going to be able to come get any American president and take him to their country. Now, I will say Mamdani said that if Netanyahu came to the United States, that he would arrest him for war crimes. I don't know that he has, he.

[Clay Travis]

Has neither the jurisdiction nor the cojones to pull off such a maneuver. But he did say that. Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. Now, I don't know that Mamdani has answered those questions, and there are all sorts of different complexities associated with that. But, I mean, I think the easy answer is we indicted Maduro for violating United States law. And if you violate United States law, our perspective is we have the right to hold you accountable. And he'll get his jury trial theoretically in this at some point this year. BB Podcast listener. PJ from Florida. Florida, Big fan. Listen to you guys every day. Clay, I just wanted to say that the Easter egg you snuck in from Office Space when talking about the governor of Idaho was noticed and appreciated. Such a great movie. The Michael.

[Clay Travis]

Did you celebrate his whole catalog? Yeah, of course.

[Buck Sexton]

That's right. Also, we got a lot of Office Space fans. Let's see. CC by the way, cleaning up a couple of things. We are big fans of. Let's make sure that I get this right. We're big fans of Brad Little, current governor of Idaho. No one. No one bigger fans than us.

[Clay Travis]

Let's make sure you get it right, because you've been thinking about Brad a lot lately. Yes, I have.

[Buck Sexton]

I've been. I've been thinking. We need to talk about what the job Brad's doing in Idaho. There was the background of the governor of Idaho. No one loves him more than us. Podcast listener Paul from Wisconsin.

[Caller]

Hey, Clay. This is Paul from Wisconsin calling in. You really had my hopes up there when you said a couple of times that we had arrested Machado. And as a Brewers fan, I really thought maybe we got Manny Machado finally. But apparently it was Maduro we got. It wasn't Machado. But see, I just thought my hopes up there for a second.

[Clay Travis]

I thought he was just doing his Spanish pronunciation there and I didn't want to correct him.

[Buck Sexton]

I did. I got Manny Machado and Maduro mixed up. So apologies. Manny Machado has not been arrested. He is still a really talented baseball player. We did get Maduro, though. That's very funny. Chris in Tampa, wfla.

[Caller]

Hey, guys, can y' all help me understand this a little bit better? You talking about Greenland, people choosing what country to be part of. And then you got the Trump administration talking about taking Greenland. Are you talking about Cuba? And then you're talking about Venezuela? What's the difference between China and Taiwan and Putin and Ukraine? It's all land grab.

[Buck Sexton]

There's some truth to it. Look there. The entire history of the world is people deciding that they want to expand the sphere of influence of their own country and take in other parts.

[Clay Travis]

What's the. The great quote from Pompey Magnus, do not quote laws to men with swords. Don't ever forget that one. Everybody, they. They might have tried to quote some laws to the Delta Force before they got got whacked in the Cuban security team around Maduro. Not to be confused with Machado.

[Buck Sexton]

Now, I. That is very. It's one of the funniest talkbacks we've had in a while. Some of you, others out there who are baseball fans. Yeah, my bad on that. Let me also, if I were going to distinguish here, what I would say is now Russia would likely make the same argument. The motivations of the United States as it pertains to Venezuela, the motivations of the United States as it pertains potentially to Cuba to other countries, I would argue that we are providing the average citizen of those countries a better standard quality of living than they would otherwise have and more freedom. And so the average citizen of Venezuela or Cuba would end up in a better position than they were before. We are also not actually engaging in war and killing tens of thousands of people as Russia has done with Ukraine. Now, Russia would say, Vladimir Putin, hey, I'm going to make life better for everybody in, in Ukraine. And this is historically Russian land that we are reclaiming. So look, I think the biggest difference is there's not tens of thousands of people dead and the average quality of life in theory of Venezuela is much different. And I would say the average Venezuelan supports Maduro being taken out of power, as opposed to the average Ukrainian who does not support the invasion of Ukraine. So if you want me to distinguish.

[Clay Travis]

On the, on the Peace of Westphalia 1648, to start flying in here, and the origin of the modern nation state system, what's considered the origin of it as we know it, I would say that the lines on the map that represent national boundaries, that is actually just the extent to which an entity can enforce with force its political will and sovereignty. That's it. The lines on the map are drawn by agreement based upon power. That's actually the truth. So, yeah. Is it arbitrary? Sure, it's arbitrary, but that's the world that we live in. That's. That's the best. It's the best that we've got.

[Buck Sexton]

This is one of the nerdiest talkbacks we've ever gotten. Buck. And I don't even. I'm going to be honest, I don't know if he's correct, but it's so specific. I'm going to say that he is correct. TB from Cincinnati listening on 55 KRC says about Greenland.

[Caller]

Listen, FF, citizens of Greenland are full citizens of den of Denmark and the eu. This is a result of the Treaty of keel in 1814. And the comment about NATO is just complete nonsense.

[Buck Sexton]

I don't remember the NATO part, but I don't know anything about the Treaty of Kiel. I doubt very many people are Experts on the Treaty of Keel out here. I have read quite a lot about Greenland and my understanding is that the people of Greenland have the ability to have a referendum where they could be allowed to vote as to whether they would like to be citizens of Denmark or citizens of the United States. That that is in their constitutional right. Remember, there are only 30,000 or so people who live in Greenland. So there has been some talk that the United States could just give all of those individual citizens of Greenland a certain amount of money and say, hey, we want you to now be a part of the United States protectorate when.

[Clay Travis]

You include in this that the mineral rights alone and fishing rights, things like that, that would cede to the United States if Greenland were to become US sovereign territory. The price that we would pay those 30,000 green lenders would be a pittance, would be great for them, but a pittance for us in terms of the long term implications of this. And Denmark has no prayer, no, no will, no budget, no ability to develop those resources in the way that would be most beneficial to the whole world, actually, because you're talking about a lot of, like I said, mineral rights. I'm sure there's oil and things like that. You do offshore drilling, all this. So yeah, there's a lot, a lot going on there.

[Buck Sexton]

What Dr. Joe emailed us, he's a VIP. He says, what about this? Pay each of the 30,000 inhabitants of Greenland 100 grand plus pay Denmark, say 10 billion or so, total cost, about 13 billion. I'm sure the total nationwide cost of the Somali scam would probably cover that. And by the way, it would be.

[Clay Travis]

It would be malpractice for, for Denmark, if we may, if we made a real offer, you know, not just like Trump having some fun on TV and thinking about this stuff and musing aloud. And I'm not sure that Trump isn't going to make a real offer. By the way, I'm not convinced that that's not on the table at some point. But if they made a real offer to Denmark for the people of Denmark to sell this territory, why, if you're the leadership of Denmark, like, why do you care?

[Buck Sexton]

I think it's a great, it's a great question because they think that the value based on Arctic lane shipping opening, I think is incredibly valuable to Denmark. By the way, Dr. Joe says this too. I don't know if he's right or not. Buck, this is addressed to you. Remember Greenland was green when the Vikings lived there. The earth used to be warmer, medieval warming period, much more fertile and habitable. We need the globe to warm. Just saying. So I am not. And we got it. Now look up not only that treaty, but also, what was the weather like in 1200 in Greenland.

[Clay Travis]

All right, Greenland, according to Grok, Viking explorer Eric the Red called it Greenland around 982 A.D. as a clever marketing tactic to attract settlers.

[Buck Sexton]

I thought you were right. I thought you were right and Dr. Joe was wrong.

[Clay Travis]

I'm just reading, highlighting the surprisingly green habitable coastal areas which did exist during the Medieval Warm Period, but most of the island was still covered in ice. The whole idea was that it suggested you would arrive on these green coasts and think that you would, you know, that you had like a big version of Ireland. You had landed in Ireland, by the way, the Vikings founded the city of Dublin. For those who didn't know, the Vikings actually founded the great city of York in northern England. The Vikings had a whole lot bigger hand in European history than a lot of people realized. Side note. But yeah, so Greenland, it was marketing, it was greener, but it still wasn't that green, my friends, because you'll notice there was no settlement, like way deep in the middle of Greenland. There's a reason for that.

[Buck Sexton]

Do you think the Vikings discovered America before Columbus?

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[Clay Travis]

Isn't there. Isn't there evidence there they landed in or that there's belief that they landed in like what would be Newfoundland or something? Like.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. I mean, there are suggestions that there were. There were people living there in like the 1100s.

[Clay Travis]

In fact, I think we should just do a whole podcast about how aliens discovered America alongside the Vikings and tell everybody we have secret proof for it that will emerge in six months and rack up really big numbers based on our secret special knowledge and then just be like, oh, man, we were way off. Samsonite. I was way off. You know, that's. That's where I think we're heading on that one. See if anyone catches that movie reference. By the way, glad you did you get that one.

[Buck Sexton]

I did.

[Clay Travis]

Guys like the Easter eggs. Samsonite. I was way off. Don't Google it. One of you is going to get. That's a little obscure. Swans. Swanson. Swanson. Samsonite. I was way off. One of you is going to get it. One of you is going to get it. And a lot of you are like, buck, what are you talking about? You're talking to a few million people. Stop spewing nonsense. Wait, what was I going to say about selling territory? Clay, if we offer Denmark, just theoretically, we said Denmark will give you a trillion dollars for For Greenland. They're insane not to take that off.

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[Clay Travis]

Think of what they'll do for the Danish people. Right. If. If China came along and said, hey, we are just going to buy New Jersey. We're just going to take New Jersey.

[Buck Sexton]

We'll give you a great price.

[Clay Travis]

As a New Yorker, I don't know. I think New Jersey would do okay. A lot of. A lot of dumplings. A lot of, you know, you'd be okay. New Jersey. We'd sell you. We'd still visit sometimes. You'd be all right.

[Buck Sexton]

What state would you want to sell?

[Clay Travis]

Oh, that's a great question.

[Buck Sexton]

I just, like, if we had to sell a state, like, if we were bartering, like, trading, we get, you know, Cuba and Venezuela and Greenland, but we have to give up New Mexico. I think that's probably a trade I'd make. Sorry, New Mexico.

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[Clay Travis]

I'm like, do we have any stations in New Mexico that I need?

[Buck Sexton]

I'm just saying, like, like, I don't know that the world of the United States would be different if we didn't have New Mexico. Like, if we gave Mexico back, New Mexico might make some sense. And we got, you know, we got Venezuela and we got Greenland and we got Cuba. I think that would be a good, good trade. Now, Breaking Bad, fabulous show, filmed in Albuquerque. That would be tough.

[Clay Travis]

I have to jump in. We can continue this, but we're about.

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[Clay Travis]

So I'm going to stop Clay from insulting more states. Notice that I just playfully insulted New Jersey. Clay, meanwhile, wants Manhattan to sink into the abyss and wants to give away New Mexico to the Chinese.

[Buck Sexton]

Ok, I'm traded.

[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. We got a super quick turn. I'm sorry you were supposed to do that, Clay. But it's so quick. Who cares? I'm just trying to shield you a little bit right now from all the rage of New Mexico. They are rising up against you like a like the Navajo uprisings of old. They are very upset in New Mexico about your commentary.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean look, somebody has to be 50th. I just think if we had to give up one state, if we had to trade for better territory, I think that Mexico is the easy choice. When we come back, my governor campaign for New Mexico is off to a slow start.

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